[Python-Dev] Pythreads and BSD descendants

2007-08-03 Thread Cameron Laird
Folklore that I remember so unreliably I avoid trying to repeat it here
held that Python threading had problems on BSD and allied Unixes.  What's
the status of this?  I suspect the answer is, "Everything works, and the
only real problem ever was that *signals* have different semantics under
Linux and *BSD."  Anyone who can answer explicitly, though, would repre-
sent a help to me.
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[Python-Dev] Re: Moving towards Python 3.0 (was Re: Speed up

2005-03-03 Thread Cameron Laird
functioncalls)
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A month ago, Nathan Binkert wrote:
> > Wouldn't it be nicer to have a facility that let you send messages
> > between processes and manage concurrency properly instead?  You'll
> > need
> > most of this anyway to do multithreading sanely, and the benefit to
> > the
> > multiple process model is that you can scale to multiple machines, not
> > just processors.  For brokering data between processes on the same
> > machine, you can use mapped memory if you can't afford to copy it
> > around, which gives you basically all the benefits of threads with
> > fewer pitfalls.
> 
> I don't think this is an answered problem.  There are plenty of
> researchers on both sides of this fence.  It is not been proven at all
> that threads are a bad model.
> 
> http://capriccio.cs.berkeley.edu/pubs/threads-hotos-2003.pdf or even
> http://www.python.org/~jeremy/weblog/030912.html
> 
I want to add:  me, too.  That is, while all my instincts incline
toward message-passing and "bulkier" concurrency which emphasizes
clusters more than multiprocessors, what's most certain to me is
that we--computing people, academics, all of us together--really
don't know yet what the right answers are.

*My* personal desire:  Python as a healthy industrial-strength
language strong enough to support such radical experiments as
Stackless, PyPy, a sophisticated multithreader, and so on.  It has
been; I expect it will be.


Cameron Lairdhttp://www.phaseit.net
Phaseit, Inc.
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[Python-Dev] Documentation enhancement: "MS free compiler"?

2006-06-18 Thread Cameron Laird
I'm channeling a correspondent, who tells me that Python documentation
(Python 2.5 announcement, and so on) mentions compatibility of sources
with "the MS free compiler"; that's the default toolchain for Windows.

Apparently we're in conflict with Microsoft on that:  some hyperlinks
refer to http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ >, which
begins,
  The Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 has been
  replaced by Visual C++ 2005 Express
  Edition.
The latter is available at no charge, incidentally.

We need to update things, I believe.
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