[Python-Dev] Removing doc from pythonhosted.org

2014-03-01 Thread Giampaolo Rodola'
I'm not sure whether this is the right mailing list where to post this.
However, it seems the pypi UI currently provides a way to upload doc at the
bottom of the page
https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=pkg_edit&name=PROJECT_NAME but
there's currently no way to remove it:
https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/issue/24/allow-deleting-project-documentation-from
http://sourceforge.net/p/pypi/support-requests/294/
https://github.com/litl/rauth/issues/81
The only workaround as of
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6521931/how-to-delete-documentation-from-pypiappears
to be uploading a new .zip file with a redirect.

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[Python-Dev] Wave module support for floating point data

2014-03-01 Thread Sebastian Kraft

Hi everybody,

more than a year ago I have submitted a patch to enhance the Wave module 
with read/write support for floating point data.


http://bugs.python.org/issue16525

Up till now this patch has not been applied nor did I get feedback if 
anything needs to be enhanced or changed before it can be committed.
I have never been in contact with your development process and Python 
core developers, so please tell me what I should improve...


Regards,
Sebastian

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Re: [Python-Dev] Wave module support for floating point data

2014-03-01 Thread Terry Reedy

On 3/1/2014 2:57 PM, Sebastian Kraft wrote:

Hi everybody,

more than a year ago I have submitted a patch to enhance the Wave module
with read/write support for floating point data.

http://bugs.python.org/issue16525

Up till now this patch has not been applied nor did I get feedback if
anything needs to be enhanced or changed before it can be committed.
I have never been in contact with your development process and Python
core developers, so please tell me what I should improve...


Please subscribe to core-mentorship list and post your question there.

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Re: [Python-Dev] Wave module support for floating point data

2014-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 15:08:00 -0500
Terry Reedy  wrote:
> On 3/1/2014 2:57 PM, Sebastian Kraft wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > more than a year ago I have submitted a patch to enhance the Wave module
> > with read/write support for floating point data.
> >
> > http://bugs.python.org/issue16525
> >
> > Up till now this patch has not been applied nor did I get feedback if
> > anything needs to be enhanced or changed before it can be committed.
> > I have never been in contact with your development process and Python
> > core developers, so please tell me what I should improve...
> 
> Please subscribe to core-mentorship list and post your question there.

I don't understand this response. You seem to be assuming that
Sebastian is asking for guidance, but he's simply telling us about a
patch that hasn't received any review yet, despite having been posted
one year ago. It's not obvious he has been doing something wrong that
he needs to be taught about.

Regards

Antoine.


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Re: [Python-Dev] Wave module support for floating point data

2014-03-01 Thread Terry Reedy

On 3/1/2014 3:25 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:

On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 15:08:00 -0500
Terry Reedy  wrote:

On 3/1/2014 2:57 PM, Sebastian Kraft wrote:

Hi everybody,

more than a year ago I have submitted a patch to enhance the Wave module
with read/write support for floating point data.

http://bugs.python.org/issue16525

Up till now this patch has not been applied nor did I get feedback if
anything needs to be enhanced or changed before it can be committed.
I have never been in contact with your development process and Python
core developers, so please tell me what I should improve...


Please subscribe to core-mentorship list and post your question there.


I don't understand this response. You seem to be assuming that
Sebastian is asking for guidance,


I am reading what he posted, which ended with "please tell me what I 
should improve...".


This sort of question-request is routinely posted, in much the same 
words, on core-mentorship, and routinely gets a response there.


> but he's simply telling us about a  patch that hasn't received
> any review yet, despite having been posted one year ago.

If that were all he said (and it is not) it would not be too useful. 
There are about 4000 open issues. About half have the 'patch' keyword 
set, and probably more have patches without the keyword.  About 700 with 
the keywork have seen no activity for a year.  Some fraction of those 
have never received a review. I would guess at least 100. In this sense, 
there is, unfortunately in my opinion, nothing too special about this 
issue or patch.


If you are really interested in this subset of issues, someone should do 
a custom search against the database. Issues that are open, have a patch 
(a file name ending in .diff or .patch) posted more than a year ago, and 
have no subsequent responses from a core developer, would be a start.


Perhaps we should add a 'reviewed' field to the table of uploads, which 
would be automatically marked True when is a completed Rietveld 
response. Perhaps there should be a way to connect review messages, as 
opposed to mere comment messages, to the patch they review. We should 
think about this in the process re-design Nick has planned.



It's not obvious he has been doing something wrong that
he needs to be taught about.


The same could initially be said of all the similar posts on 
core-mentorship. But please change 'wrong' to 'incomplete or something. 
Most patches get revised and augmented without being 'wrong'. This is 
especialy true of patches from people 'have never been in contact with 
[our] development  process'.


What makes Sebastian's request worth extra attention is the extra 
information that he, the author of the neglected patch, is still around 
and desirous of discussing, editing, and augmenting the patch as necessary.


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[Python-Dev] "Five reviews to get yours reviewed"?

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Angelico
Way back in 2012, Martin Löwis declared a standing offer on this list
to get issue patches reviewed: review five issues and he'll review one
of yours. [1] Is that offer still around? Have any other devs made any
similar offer?

I have a couple of patches outstanding, notably issue 20249 [2], which
is a small change, has a patch, and has no activity or nosying since
its creation.

More importantly, if there is such an offer, it'd be great to mention
it somewhere, so people can know what they can do to move an issue
forward. (And preferably with a link somewhere to what it means to
review a patch - what it takes to make a useful and helpful review,
which I'm not entirely sure of at the moment.) If there's not, is it
something that could be considered? I'd love to see some downward
movement on the Open Issues figure, but am not really sure what I can
personally do to help.

ChrisA

[1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2012-October/122157.html
[2] http://bugs.python.org/issue20249
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Re: [Python-Dev] "Five reviews to get yours reviewed"?

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
> I have a couple of patches outstanding, notably issue 20249 [2], which
> is a small change, has a patch, and has no activity or nosying since
> its creation.

And Benjamin Peterson has just looked into this one and committed it,
not three minutes after I posted. Looks like that crossed in the ether
:) Thanks!

I'm still willing to help out with reviewing, though!

ChrisA
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Re: [Python-Dev] "Five reviews to get yours reviewed"?

2014-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:11:01 +1100
Chris Angelico  wrote:
> More importantly, if there is such an offer, it'd be great to mention
> it somewhere, so people can know what they can do to move an issue
> forward. (And preferably with a link somewhere to what it means to
> review a patch - what it takes to make a useful and helpful review,
> which I'm not entirely sure of at the moment.) If there's not, is it
> something that could be considered? I'd love to see some downward
> movement on the Open Issues figure, but am not really sure what I can
> personally do to help.

It's such an unbalanced offer that it's understandable why it never
worked. "One review against another" would be reasonable.

That said, it's not a mere issue of time. It's also that occasional
contributors may not have (or may not feel they have) the required
expertise to review other people's patches.

Regards

Antoine.


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Re: [Python-Dev] "Five reviews to get yours reviewed"?

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Antoine Pitrou  wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:11:01 +1100
> Chris Angelico  wrote:
>> More importantly, if there is such an offer, it'd be great to mention
>> it somewhere, so people can know what they can do to move an issue
>> forward. (And preferably with a link somewhere to what it means to
>> review a patch - what it takes to make a useful and helpful review,
>> which I'm not entirely sure of at the moment.) If there's not, is it
>> something that could be considered? I'd love to see some downward
>> movement on the Open Issues figure, but am not really sure what I can
>> personally do to help.
>
> It's such an unbalanced offer that it's understandable why it never
> worked. "One review against another" would be reasonable.
>
> That said, it's not a mere issue of time. It's also that occasional
> contributors may not have (or may not feel they have) the required
> expertise to review other people's patches.

Since there's a skill level difference, I can understand that I'd have
to do more work than I'm asking someone else to do. But it's the other
part that's more important. How would someone know whether or not
they're capable of making useful reviews? Are there guidelines
somewhere? Obviously you have to be able to apply the patch, compile
(if appropriate), and probably run the test suite, but beyond that,
what does it take to review? (The buildbots have the intelligence to
do that.)

ChrisA
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Re: [Python-Dev] "Five reviews to get yours reviewed"?

2014-03-01 Thread Terry Reedy

On 3/1/2014 7:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:

Way back in 2012, Martin Löwis declared a standing offer on this list
to get issue patches reviewed: review five issues and he'll review one
of yours.


As I remember, he set a pretty low bar for 'review', lowing that I think 
you are thinking.



I have a couple of patches outstanding, notably issue 20249 [2], which
is a small change, has a patch, and has no activity or nosying since
its creation.


And the other?


More importantly, if there is such an offer, it'd be great to mention
it somewhere, so people can know what they can do to move an issue
forward. (And preferably with a link somewhere to what it means to


The question has been asked on core-mentorship list. I have considered 
making an offer, but haven't yet.



review a patch - what it takes to make a useful and helpful review,
which I'm not entirely sure of at the moment.) If there's not, is it
something that could be considered? I'd love to see some downward
movement on the Open Issues figure, but am not really sure what I can
personally do to help.


You are active on python-ideas, so build on that. There are 1551 open 
enhancement issues. Some have no response. Some should be rejected (for 
instance, if a couple of core devs have given negative responses, and 
none positive). Some should probably be closed, but possibly discussed 
on python-ideas. You could open either suggest that the OP post on 
python-ideas or open a discussion yourself. Many should have been 
discussed on python-ideas first, to garner support, but may have been 
posted before it existed, or at least before it was very well known. 
Some might be obsolete given what has otherwise been added, or by 
changes from py2 to py3. Any that are left open should be marked for 3.5.


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Re: [Python-Dev] "Five reviews to get yours reviewed"?

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Terry Reedy  wrote:
> On 3/1/2014 7:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> I have a couple of patches outstanding, notably issue 20249 [2], which
>> is a small change, has a patch, and has no activity or nosying since
>> its creation.
>
> And the other?

http://bugs.python.org/issue19494 has a patch that I uploaded, but
it's more accurately someone else's patch and I just made a slight
tweak to it.

http://bugs.python.org/issue20729 is an issue that I opened, and
there's a patch at the issue, but I didn't write the patch.

Technically, neither really counts, but I was checking over the
"Followed by you" issues list and saw that several had patches.

>> I'd love to see some downward
>> movement on the Open Issues figure, but am not really sure what I can
>> personally do to help.
>
> You are active on python-ideas, so build on that. There are 1551 open
> enhancement issues. ...
> You could open either suggest that the OP post on python-ideas
> or open a discussion yourself.

Okay! I'll poke around at some issues tonight and see what I can find.
*thumb up* Thanks for the pointer.

ChrisA
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