[Python-Dev] PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot
== PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot == We're pleased to announce the 1.7 release of PyPy. As became a habit, this release brings a lot of bugfixes and performance improvements over the 1.6 release. However, unlike the previous releases, the focus has been on widening the "sweet spot" of PyPy. That is, classes of Python code that PyPy can greatly speed up should be vastly improved with this release. You can download the 1.7 release here: http://pypy.org/download.html What is PyPy? = PyPy is a very compliant Python interpreter, almost a drop-in replacement for CPython 2.7. It's fast (`pypy 1.7 and cpython 2.7.1`_ performance comparison) due to its integrated tracing JIT compiler. This release supports x86 machines running Linux 32/64, Mac OS X 32/64 or Windows 32. Windows 64 work is ongoing, but not yet natively supported. The main topic of this release is widening the range of code which PyPy can greatly speed up. On average on our benchmark suite, PyPy 1.7 is around **30%** faster than PyPy 1.6 and up to **20 times** faster on some benchmarks. .. _`pypy 1.7 and cpython 2.7.1`: http://speed.pypy.org Highlights == * Numerous performance improvements. There are too many examples which python constructs now should behave faster to list them. * Bugfixes and compatibility fixes with CPython. * Windows fixes. * PyPy now comes with stackless features enabled by default. However, any loop using stackless features will interrupt the JIT for now, so no real performance improvement for stackless-based programs. Contact pypy-dev for info how to help on removing this restriction. * NumPy effort in PyPy was renamed numpypy. In order to try using it, simply write:: import numpypy as numpy at the beginning of your program. There is a huge progress on numpy in PyPy since 1.6, the main feature being implementation of dtypes. * JSON encoder (but not decoder) has been replaced with a new one. This one is written in pure Python, but is known to outperform CPython's C extension up to **2 times** in some cases. It's about **20 times** faster than the one that we had in 1.6. * The memory footprint of some of our RPython modules has been drastically improved. This should impact any applications using for example cryptography, like tornado. * There was some progress in exposing even more CPython C API via cpyext. Things that didn't make it, expect in 1.8 soon == There is an ongoing work, which while didn't make it to the release, is probably worth mentioning here. This is what you should probably expect in 1.8 some time soon: * Specialized list implementation. There is a branch that implements lists of integers/floats/strings as compactly as array.array. This should drastically improve performance/memory impact of some applications * NumPy effort is progressing forward, with multi-dimensional arrays coming soon. * There are two brand new JIT assembler backends, notably for the PowerPC and ARM processors. Fundraising === It's maybe worth mentioning that we're running fundraising campaigns for NumPy effort in PyPy and for Python 3 in PyPy. In case you want to see any of those happen faster, we urge you to donate to `numpy proposal`_ or `py3k proposal`_. In case you want PyPy to progress, but you trust us with the general direction, you can always donate to the `general pot`_. .. _`numpy proposal`: http://pypy.org/numpydonate.html .. _`py3k proposal`: http://pypy.org/py3donate.html .. _`general pot`: http://pypy.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] Chose a name for a "get unicode as wide character, borrowed reference" function
Hi, With the PEP 393, the Py_UNICODE is now deprecated and scheduled for removal in Python 4. PyUnicode_AsUnicode() and PyUnicode_AsUnicodeAndSize() functions are still commonly used on Windows to get the string as wchar_t* without having to care of freeing the memory: it's a borrowed reference (pointer). I would like to add a new PyUnicode_AsWideChar() function which would return the borrowed reference, exactly as PyUnicode_AsUnicode(). The problem is that "PyUnicode_AsWideChar" already exists in Python 3.2, as PyUnicode_AsWideCharString. Do you have an suggestion for a name of such function? PyUnicode_AsWideCharBorrowed? PyUnicode_AsFastWideChar? PyUnicode_ToWideChar? PyUnicode_AsWchar_t? Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Chose a name for a "get unicode as wide character, borrowed reference" function
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:53:17 +0100 Victor Stinner wrote: > > I would like to add a new PyUnicode_AsWideChar() function which would return > the borrowed reference, exactly as PyUnicode_AsUnicode(). The problem is that > "PyUnicode_AsWideChar" already exists in Python 3.2, as > PyUnicode_AsWideCharString. This is not very clear. You are proposing to add a function which already exists, except that you have to free the pointer yourself? I don't think that's a good idea, the API is already large enough. Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Chose a name for a "get unicode as wide character, borrowed reference" function
Le Lundi 21 Novembre 2011 16:04:06 Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:53:17 +0100 > > Victor Stinner wrote: > > I would like to add a new PyUnicode_AsWideChar() function which would > > return the borrowed reference, exactly as PyUnicode_AsUnicode(). The > > problem is that "PyUnicode_AsWideChar" already exists in Python 3.2, as > > PyUnicode_AsWideCharString. > > This is not very clear. You are proposing to add a function which > already exists, except that you have to free the pointer yourself? > I don't think that's a good idea, the API is already large enough. I want to rename PyUnicode_AsUnicode() and change its result type (Py_UNICODE* => wchar_t*). The result will be a "borrowed reference", ie. you don't have to free the memory, it will be done when the Unicode string will be destroyed (by Py_DECREF). The problem is that Py_UNICODE type is now deprecated. Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Chose a name for a "get unicode as wide character, borrowed reference" function
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:53:10 +0100 Victor Stinner wrote: > Le Lundi 21 Novembre 2011 16:04:06 Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > > On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:53:17 +0100 > > > > Victor Stinner wrote: > > > I would like to add a new PyUnicode_AsWideChar() function which would > > > return the borrowed reference, exactly as PyUnicode_AsUnicode(). The > > > problem is that "PyUnicode_AsWideChar" already exists in Python 3.2, as > > > PyUnicode_AsWideCharString. > > > > This is not very clear. You are proposing to add a function which > > already exists, except that you have to free the pointer yourself? > > I don't think that's a good idea, the API is already large enough. > > I want to rename PyUnicode_AsUnicode() and change its result type > (Py_UNICODE* > => wchar_t*). The result will be a "borrowed reference", ie. you don't have > to > free the memory, it will be done when the Unicode string will be destroyed > (by > Py_DECREF). But this is almost the same as PyUnicode_AsWideCharString, right? ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] patch metadata - to use or not to use?
Hi, > I recently got some patches accepted for inclusion in 3.3, and each time, > the patch metadata (such as my name and my commit comment) were stripped by > applying the patch manually, instead of hg importing it. This makes it > clear in the history who eventually reviewed and applied the patch, but > less visible who wrote it (except for the entry in Misc/NEWS). We had a similar discussion on python-committers a while back, and the gist of the replies was that there is no such thing as a patch ready for commit, i.e. the core dev always edits something. As Antoine said, we’ve switched to Mercurial to ease contributions, but we still work with patches, not directly with changesets. That said, I remember that once I got a patch that was complete, and I just used hg import and hg push since it was so easy. I share the opinion that putting contributors’ names in the spotlight is a good way to encourage them. Cheers ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Chose a name for a "get unicode as wide character, borrowed reference" function
Le Lundi 21 Novembre 2011 16:55:05 Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > > I want to rename PyUnicode_AsUnicode() and change its result type > > (Py_UNICODE* => wchar_t*). The result will be a "borrowed reference", > > ie. you don't have to free the memory, it will be done when the Unicode > > string will be destroyed (by Py_DECREF). > > But this is almost the same as PyUnicode_AsWideCharString, right? You have to free the memory for PyUnicode_AsWideCharString(). With PyUnicode_AsWideCharXXX(), as PyUnicode_AsUnicode(), you don't have to. The memory is handled by the Unicode object. Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Chose a name for a "get unicode as wide character, borrowed reference" function
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:02:36 +0100 Victor Stinner wrote: > Le Lundi 21 Novembre 2011 16:55:05 Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > > > I want to rename PyUnicode_AsUnicode() and change its result type > > > (Py_UNICODE* => wchar_t*). The result will be a "borrowed reference", > > > ie. you don't have to free the memory, it will be done when the Unicode > > > string will be destroyed (by Py_DECREF). > > > > But this is almost the same as PyUnicode_AsWideCharString, right? > > You have to free the memory for PyUnicode_AsWideCharString(). That's why I said "almost". I don't think it's a good idea to add this function, for two reasons: - the unicode API is already big enough, we don't need redundant functions with differing refcount behaviours - the internal wchar_t representation is certainly meant to disappear in the long term; adding an API which *relies* on that representation is silly, especially after we deliberately deprecated the Py_UNICODE APIs Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3, new-style classes and __class__
On 20/11/2011 21:41, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Michael Foord wrote: On 20 Nov 2011, at 16:35, Guido van Rossum wrote: Um, what?! __class__ *already* has a special meaning. Those examples violate that meaning. No wonder they get garbage results. The correct way to override isinstance is explained here: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/#overloading-isinstance-and-issubclass . Proxy classes have been using __class__ as a descriptor for this purpose for years before ABCs were introduced. This worked fine up until Python 3 where the compiler magic broke it when super is used. That is now fixed anyway. Hm, okay. Though it's disheartening that it took three releases of 3.x to figure this out. And there was a PEP even! If I understand correctly, ABCs are great for allowing classes of objects to pass isinstance checks (etc) - what proxy, lazy and mock objects need is to be able to allow individual instances to pass different isinstance checks. Ah, oops. Yes, __instancecheck__ is for the class to override isinstance(inst, cls); for the *instance* to override apparently you'll need to mess with __class__. I guess my request at this point would be to replace '@__class__' with some other *legal* __identifier__ that doesn't clash with existing use -- I don't like the arbitrary use of @ here. The problem with using a valid identifier name is that it leaves open the possibility of the same "broken" behaviour (removing from the class namespace) for whatever name we pick. That means we should document the name used - and it's then more likely that users will start to rely on this odd (but documented) internal implementation detail. This in turn puts a burden on other implementations to use the same mechanism, even if this is less than ideal for them. This is why a deliberately invalid identifier was picked. All the best, Michael Foord --Guido All the best, Michael Foord --Guido On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Michael Foord wrote: On 19 November 2011 23:11, Vinay Sajip wrote: Michael Foord voidspace.org.uk> writes: That works fine in Python 3 (mock.Mock does it): >>> class Foo(object): ... @property ... def __class__(self): ... return int ... >>> a = Foo() >>> isinstance(a, int) True >>> a.__class__ There must be something else going on here. Michael, thanks for the quick response. Okay, I'll dig in a bit further: the definition in SimpleLazyObject is __class__ = property(new_method_proxy(operator.attrgetter("__class__"))) so perhaps the problem is something related to the specifics of the definition. Here's what I found in initial exploration: -- Python 2.7.2+ (default, Oct 4 2011, 20:06:09) [GCC 4.6.1] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. from django.utils.functional import SimpleLazyObject fake_bool = SimpleLazyObject(lambda: True) fake_bool.__class__ fake_bool.__dict__ {'_setupfunc': at 0xca9ed8>, '_wrapped': True} SimpleLazyObject.__dict__ dict_proxy({ '__module__': 'django.utils.functional', '__nonzero__':, '__deepcopy__':, '__str__':, '_setup':, '__class__':, '__hash__':, '__unicode__':, '__bool__':, '__eq__':, '__doc__': '\n A lazy object initialised from any function.\n\n Designed for compound objects of unknown type. For builtins or objects of\n known type, use django.utils.functional.lazy.\n ', '__init__': }) -- Python 3.2.2 (default, Sep 5 2011, 21:17:14) [GCC 4.6.1] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. from django.utils.functional import SimpleLazyObject fake_bool = SimpleLazyObject(lambda : True) fake_bool.__class__ fake_bool.__dict__ { '_setupfunc': at 0x1c36ea8>, '_wrapped': } SimpleLazyObject.__dict__ dict_proxy({ '__module__': 'django.utils.functional', '__nonzero__':, '__deepcopy__':, '__str__':, '_setup':, '__hash__':, '__unicode__':, '__bool__':, '__eq__':, '__doc__': '\n A lazy object initialised from any function.\n\n Designed for compound objects of unknown type. For builtins or objects of\n known type, use django.utils.functional.lazy.\n ', '__init__': }) -- In Python 3, there's no __class__ property as there is in Python 2, the fake_bool's type isn't bool, and the callable to set up the wrapped object never gets called (which is why _wrapped is not set to True, but to an anonymous object - this is set in SimpleLazyObject.__init__). The Python compiler can do strange things with assignment to __class__ in the presence of super. This issue has now been fixed, but it may be what is biting you: http://bugs.python.org/issue12370 If th
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3, new-style classes and __class__
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 20/11/2011 21:41, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Michael Foord >> wrote: >>> >>> On 20 Nov 2011, at 16:35, Guido van Rossum wrote: >>> Um, what?! __class__ *already* has a special meaning. Those examples violate that meaning. No wonder they get garbage results. The correct way to override isinstance is explained here: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/#overloading-isinstance-and-issubclass . >>> >>> Proxy classes have been using __class__ as a descriptor for this purpose >>> for years before ABCs were introduced. This worked fine up until Python 3 >>> where the compiler magic broke it when super is used. That is now fixed >>> anyway. >> >> Hm, okay. Though it's disheartening that it took three releases of 3.x >> to figure this out. And there was a PEP even! >> >>> If I understand correctly, ABCs are great for allowing classes of objects >>> to pass isinstance checks (etc) - what proxy, lazy and mock objects need is >>> to be able to allow individual instances to pass different isinstance >>> checks. >> >> Ah, oops. Yes, __instancecheck__ is for the class to override >> isinstance(inst, cls); for the *instance* to override apparently >> you'll need to mess with __class__. >> >> I guess my request at this point would be to replace '@__class__' with >> some other *legal* __identifier__ that doesn't clash with existing use >> -- I don't like the arbitrary use of @ here. >> > > The problem with using a valid identifier name is that it leaves open the > possibility of the same "broken" behaviour (removing from the class > namespace) for whatever name we pick. > > That means we should document the name used - and it's then more likely that > users will start to rely on this odd (but documented) internal > implementation detail. This in turn puts a burden on other implementations > to use the same mechanism, even if this is less than ideal for them. > > This is why a deliberately invalid identifier was picked. Hm. There are many, many places in Python where a __special__ identifier is used in such a way that a user who stomps on it can cause themselves pain. This is why the language reference is quite serious about reserving *all* __special__ names and states that only documented uses of them are allowed (and at least implying that undocumented uses are not necessarily flagged as errors). While I see that PEP 3119 made a mistake in giving __class__ two different, incompatible special uses, I don't agree that this case is so special that we should use an "invalid" identifier. I don't see that the name use should actually be documented -- users should not make *any* use of undocumented __names__. Let's please continue the tradition of allowing experts to mess around creatively with internals. -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Committing PEP 3155
I've approved the latest version of this PEP. Congrats, Antoine! --Guido On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hello, > > I haven't seen any strong objections, so I would like to go ahead and > commit PEP 3155 (*) soon. Is anyone against it? > > (*) "Qualified name for classes and functions" > http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3155/ > > Thank you > > Antoine. -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal
Hi, I'm trying to rewrite PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() to upgrade it to the new Unicode API. The problem is that the function is not accessible in Python nor tested. Should we document and test it, leave it unchanged and deprecate it, or simply remove it? -- Python has a PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() function. It was used in Python 2 by int, long and complex constructors. In Python 3, the function is no more used: it has been replaced by PyUnicode_TransformDecimalToASCII() in Python <= 3.2 and _PyUnicode_TransformDecimalAndSpaceToASCII() in Python 3.3. PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() goes into an unlimited loop if there is more than one unencodable character. It's a known bug and there is a patch: http://bugs.python.org/issue13093 PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() is undocumented and not tested: http://bugs.python.org/issue8646 Stefan Krah uses PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() in its cdecimal project. See also "Malformed error message from float()" issue: http://bugs.python.org/issue10557 Python 3.3 has now 3 encoders to decimal: - PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() - PyUnicode_TransformDecimalToASCII() - _PyUnicode_TransformDecimalAndSpaceToASCII() (new in 3.3) _PyUnicode_TransformDecimalAndSpaceToASCII() replaces also Unicode spaces with ASCII spaces. PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() and PyUnicode_TransformDecimalToASCII() take Py_UNICODE* strings. PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() requires an output buffer and it has no argument for the size of the output buffer. It is unsafe: it leads to buffer overflow if the buffer is too small. Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot
On 11/21/2011 5:36 AM, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: == PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot == We're pleased to announce the 1.7 release of PyPy. As became a habit, this release brings a lot of bugfixes and performance improvements over the 1.6 release. However, unlike the previous releases, the focus has been on widening the "sweet spot" of PyPy. That is, classes of Python code that PyPy can greatly speed up should be vastly improved with this release. You can download the 1.7 release here: http://pypy.org/download.html ... The main topic of this release is widening the range of code which PyPy can greatly speed up. On average on our benchmark suite, PyPy 1.7 is around **30%** faster than PyPy 1.6 and up to **20 times** faster on some benchmarks. .. _`pypy 1.7 and cpython 2.7.1`: http://speed.pypy.org If I understand right, pypy is generally slower than cpython without jit and faster with jit. (There is obviously a spurious datapoint in the pypy-c timeline for raytracing-simple.) This site is a nice piece of work. ... .. _`py3k proposal`: http://pypy.org/py3donate.html I strongly recommend that where it makes a difference, the pypy python3 project target 3.3. In particular, don't reproduce the buggy narrow-build behavior of 3.2 and before (perhaps pypy avoids this already). Do include the new unicode capi in cpyext. I anticipate that 3.3 will see more production use than 3.2 -- Terry Jan Reedy ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot
2011/11/21 Terry Reedy > I strongly recommend that where it makes a difference, the pypy python3 > project target 3.3. In particular, don't reproduce the buggy narrow-build > behavior of 3.2 and before (perhaps pypy avoids this already). Do include > the new unicode capi in cpyext. I anticipate that 3.3 will see more > production use than 3.2 > In the current 2.7-compatible version, PyPy already uses wchar_t for its Unicode string, i.e. it is always a wide build with gcc and a narrow build on Windows. But this will certainly change for the 3.x port. PyPy already supports different internal representations for the same visible user type, and it makes sense to have 1-byte, 2-bytes and 4-bytes unicode types and try to choose the most efficient representation. As for the C API... getting a pointer out of a PyPy string already requires to allocate and fill a new non-movable buffer (since all memory allocated by PyPy is movable). So cpyext could support the new API for sure, but it's unlikely to give any performance benefit to an extension module. -- Amaury Forgeot d'Arc ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal
Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 21:39:53, Victor Stinner a écrit : > I'm trying to rewrite PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() to upgrade it to the new > Unicode API. The problem is that the function is not accessible in Python > nor tested. I added tests for this function in Python 2.7, 3.2 and 3.3. > PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() goes into an unlimited loop if there is more than > one unencodable character. It's a known bug and there is a patch: > http://bugs.python.org/issue13093 I fixed this issue. I was wrong: it was not possible to DoS Python, the bug was not an unlimited loop (but there was a bug on error handling). > PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() requires an output buffer and it has no argument > for the size of the output buffer. It is unsafe: it leads to buffer > overflow if the buffer is too small. This function is broken by design if an error handler is specified: the caller cannot know the size of the output buffer, whereas the caller has to allocate this buffer. I propose to raise an error if an error handler (different than "strict") is specified) and do this change in Python 2.7, 3.2 and 3.3. In Python 2.7 code base, PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() is always called with errors=NULL. In Python 3.x, the function is no more called. > Should we document and test it, leave it unchanged and > deprecate it, or simply remove it? If we change PyUnicode_EncodeDecimal() to reject error handlers different than strict, we can keep this function for some release and deprecate it. The function is already deprecated beacuse it uses the deprecated Py_UNICODE type. Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] PyUnicode_Resize
Hi, In Python 3.2, PyUnicode_Resize() expects a number of Py_UNICODE units, whereas Python 3.3 expects a number of characters. It is tricky to convert a number of Py_UNICODE units to a number of characters, so it is diffcult to provide a backward compatibility PyUnicode_Resize() function taking a number of Py_UNICODE units in Python 3.3. Should we rename PyUnicode_Resize() in Python 3.3 to avoid surprising bugs? The issue only concerns Windows with non-BMP characters, so a very rare use case. The easiest solution is to do nothing in Python 3.3: the API changed, but it doesn't really matter. Developers just have to be careful on this particular issue (which is not well documented today). Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com