[Python-Dev] www.python.org back up

2007-06-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I completed the update of dinsdale. Please let me know if you
find any new problems with that machine.

Regards,
Martin
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Re: [Python-Dev] Calling Methods from Pythons C API with Keywords

2007-06-21 Thread Hrvoje Nikšić
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 19:26 +0200, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
> As Hrvoje says: try python-list (aka comp.lang.python). If you don't
> get an answer, you didn't phrase your question interestingly enough,
> or nobody knows the answer, or nobody has the time to tell you.

The thing with comp.lang.python is that it is followed by a large number
of Python users, but a much smaller number of the C API users -- which
is only natural, since the group is about Python, not about C.  For most
users the Python/C API is an implementation detail which they never have
to worry about.

Futrhermore, questions about the C API often concern CPython
implementation details and so they don't feel like they would belong in
comp.lang.python.  As an experiment, it might make sense to open a
mailing list dedicated to the Python C API.  It could become a useful
support forum for extension writers (a group very useful to Python) and
maybe even a melting pot for new ideas regarding CPython, much like
comp.lang.python historically provided ideas for Python the language.


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Re: [Python-Dev] Calling Methods from Pythons C API with Keywords

2007-06-21 Thread Campbell Barton
The reason I asked on this in the first place is I had looked through 
the python source to make sure PyObject_Call had no equivalent that 
supported keywords, and since I needed to do this I figured it might be 
worth considering for Pythons API.

Im sure everyone could write their own PyObject_Call, if they had to but 
thats what the API's for.

Hrvoje Nikšić wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 19:26 +0200, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>> As Hrvoje says: try python-list (aka comp.lang.python). If you don't
>> get an answer, you didn't phrase your question interestingly enough,
>> or nobody knows the answer, or nobody has the time to tell you.
> 
> The thing with comp.lang.python is that it is followed by a large number
> of Python users, but a much smaller number of the C API users -- which
> is only natural, since the group is about Python, not about C.  For most
> users the Python/C API is an implementation detail which they never have
> to worry about.
> 
> Futrhermore, questions about the C API often concern CPython
> implementation details and so they don't feel like they would belong in
> comp.lang.python.  As an experiment, it might make sense to open a
> mailing list dedicated to the Python C API.  It could become a useful
> support forum for extension writers (a group very useful to Python) and
> maybe even a melting pot for new ideas regarding CPython, much like
> comp.lang.python historically provided ideas for Python the language.

Agree a Python/C API List would be great, in fact I cant see any reasons 
not to have it- likely the pure python users dont want to know about 
refcounting problems.. etc anyway.

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo
http://www.python.org/community/sigs/
There are lists/newsgroup for py2exe and pyrex, Python-ObjectiveC etc,

Python/C API seems much more generic, and its also fairly tricky to use 
at times - when doing more advanced stuff (subtyping has been tricky for 
me anyway). I expect the dev's of pyrex, pygame etc might also need to 
discuss C API spesific issues as well.

Iv had roughly this conversation in IRC...

Q. Hi, Id like to know how wrap python subtype methods in the C API
A. C dosnt have classes, use C++
Q. no I want to use pythons C API,
A. Subtypes are easy to do in python..
.. you get the idea...

Quite a few "python only" users dont understand where the Python/C API 
fits in and its annoying to have to explain the question each time (yes, 
Iv had these conversations more then once)


- Cam
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[Python-Dev] Wanted: readers for a mailbox.py article

2007-06-21 Thread A.M. Kuchling
I'm writing an article about the mailbox module for an online
publication, and would like to get comments on the current draft from
people familiar with the module.

If you'd like to take a look, please e-mail me and I'll tell you the
draft's URL.

--amk
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Re: [Python-Dev] Calling Methods from Pythons C API with Keywords

2007-06-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Futrhermore, questions about the C API often concern CPython
> implementation details and so they don't feel like they would belong in
> comp.lang.python.  As an experiment, it might make sense to open a
> mailing list dedicated to the Python C API.  It could become a useful
> support forum for extension writers (a group very useful to Python) and
> maybe even a melting pot for new ideas regarding CPython, much like
> comp.lang.python historically provided ideas for Python the language.

In the past, we created special-interest groups for such discussion.
Would you like to coordinate a C sig? See

http://www.python.org/community/sigs/

Regards,
Martin
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