Re: [Python-Dev] A Survey on Defect Management Practices in Free/Open Source Software
Anthony Baxter writes: > Just a random aside - is anyone else getting increasingly annoyed by > these mass-mailed out survey requests from students? Annoyed, not particularly. Scared, yes: it's long been known that a field=FIELD is moribund when people start getting "PhDs in FIELD" for dissertations in "The History of FIELD". I suspect that that same concept applies to theses on "ADJECTIVE Management Practices in FIELD". This guy, however, has been at it for over a month, this is his fourth (or so) mailing. I think an entry in the Mailman persona-non-grata list may be appropriate. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] A Survey on Defect Management Practices in Free/Open Source Software
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 04:07:18PM +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote: > This one was at least personally addressed > (well, to "Python Contributors"), which is a step ahead of most of > them. What gets me is that such surveys are invalid because the respondents aren't randomly selected -- they're the people who care enough to answer. It would be more efficient and reliable to just go look at a sampling of project web sites and look at their bug trackers, but that requires effort from the student. Recently I was interviewing a student who worked on a project that had instrumented an IDE to record every operation (editing, saving, etc.) in a database. I asked "so what did you learn from this data?", and was told that no one has analyzed it; they're just *accumulating* the data. It's stamp collecting as computer science. --amk, who save his files every 87.4 seconds and types a character every 2.3sec. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] A Survey on Defect Management Practices in Free/Open Source Software
amk> ... no one has analyzed it; they're just *accumulating* the data. amk> It's stamp collecting as computer science. +1 QOTF. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] A Survey on Defect Management Practices in Free/Open Source Software
A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 04:07:18PM +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote: >> This one was at least personally addressed >> (well, to "Python Contributors"), which is a step ahead of most of >> them. > > What gets me is that such surveys are invalid because the respondents > aren't randomly selected -- they're the people who care enough to > answer. Or the people who are getting so pissed off with these surveys that they are willing to spend the time to mess up the results. It would be more efficient and reliable to just go look at a > sampling of project web sites and look at their bug trackers, but that > requires effort from the student. > I remember those days ... > Recently I was interviewing a student who worked on a project that had > instrumented an IDE to record every operation (editing, saving, etc.) > in a database. I asked "so what did you learn from this data?", and > was told that no one has analyzed it; they're just *accumulating* the > data. It's stamp collecting as computer science. > > --amk, who save his files every 87.4 seconds and types a character >every 2.3sec. > -- steve, who hits backspace every 1.6 seconds and still makes loads of typos -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://del.icio.us/steve.holden Recent Ramblings http://holdenweb.blogspot.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] A Survey on Defect Management Practices in Free/Open Source Software
A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 04:07:18PM +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote: >> This one was at least personally addressed >> (well, to "Python Contributors"), which is a step ahead of most of >> them. > > What gets me is that such surveys are invalid because the respondents > aren't randomly selected -- they're the people who care enough to > answer. Not only that, the few I have even bothered trying to answer I've given up on after my reaction to the first half a dozen questions involved variations on the phrase "Well, it depends on exactly what you mean by term ". Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Brisbane, Australia --- http://www.boredomandlaziness.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] About SSL tests
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > I don't like it. I would rather rely on the private _handle member. > If that ever gets changed, the test fails. I made it using _handle. Right now, we have test_socket_ssl.py using a local openssl and passing all the tests in all the buildbots, :D Thanks for your (you as in y'all, ;) help! Regards, -- . Facundo . Blog: http://www.taniquetil.com.ar/plog/ PyAr: http://www.python.org/ar/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] A Survey on Defect Management Practicesin Free/Open Source Software
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | This guy, however, has been at it for over a month, this is his fourth | (or so) mailing. I think an entry in the Mailman persona-non-grata | list may be appropriate. So would a letter/email to the chair of his/her department. I tried via the postmaster. I have also noticed that I have never seen one of the promised followups or reports. tjr ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] test_socketserver flakey?
FWIW, I've checked a fix into the trunk. The code was waiting half a second and assumign that the server thread was ready. This occasionally failed of course. I fixed it by using an event variable instead of a sleep call. Not sure if it's worth backporting, as it is only a race condition in the unit test. (But I also don't see anything wrong with a backport. :) --Guido On 4/3/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure I agree with your analysis -- the test that fails is > using unix domain sockets, not TCP. > > On 4/3/07, Hasan Diwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Guido: > > > > On 03/04/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But I saw this failure during a regular regrtest run as well. How > > > would you suggest to fix this?i > > > > > > > You'll need to make the connect/close lines into a critical section and have > > execution suspended for the TCP wait time. It defaults to 60 seconds on BSD > > sockets, but I'm not aware of the constant for it (a quick survey of the > > header files doesn't show anything promising). On the other hand, I don't > > think you're going to be running this particular test a number of times > > quickly (or will you?). In the final examination, I suspect it's a race > > condition. > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Hasan Diwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] A Survey on Defect Management Practices in Free/Open Source Software
On 4/4/07, A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 04:07:18PM +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote: > This one was at least personally addressed > (well, to "Python Contributors"), which is a step ahead of most of > them. What gets me is that such surveys are invalid because the respondents aren't randomly selected -- they're the people who care enough to answer. It would be more efficient and reliable to just go look at a sampling of project web sites and look at their bug trackers, but that requires effort from the student. Recently I was interviewing a student who worked on a project that had instrumented an IDE to record every operation (editing, saving, etc.) in a database. I asked "so what did you learn from this data?", and was told that no one has analyzed it; they're just *accumulating* the data. It's stamp collecting as computer science. I am putting way too much effort into my PhD if this kind of stuff can get me a degree. =) -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils and -framework on MacOSX
Ronald Oussoren wrote: > Could you create an example where adding -framework to the end of the > command-line doesn't work? I'll see what I can do. -- Greg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] branch is frozen for release of 2.5.1c1 (and 2.5.1)
Please stay out of the 2.5 branch unless you're one of the release team - I'm cutting 2.5.1c1 at the moment. There will be a 2.5.1 final next week, assuming all goes well. If you have an urgent bugfix you need in, please post here and get someone to approve it before the checkin! Thanks, Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's never too late to have a happy childhood. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
