Re: [python-committers] 1 week to Oct 1

2018-10-11 Thread Victor Stinner 
Le jeu. 27 sept. 2018 à 01:28, Mariatta Wijaya  a écrit :
> Really sorry folks, but I also would like to request an extension, by one 
> week to Oct 8.

The PEP 8000 lists 5 governance PEPs:

"""
PEPs in the 8010s describe the actual proposals for Python governance.  It is
expected that these PEPs will cover the broad scope of governance, and that
differences in details (such as the size of a governing council) will be
covered in the same PEP, rather than in potentially vote-splitting individual
PEPs.

* PEP 8010 - The BDFL Governance Model

  This is a placeholder PEP for the continuation of the `Benevolent Dictator
  For Life `_
  model.  The name is an homage to Guido's title and does not necessarily
  imply that the next BDFL will be required to serve without time limit.  Also
  within scope is whether an advisory council aids or supports the BDFL.  This
  PEP does *not* name either the next BDFL, nor members of such an advisory
  council.  For that, see PEP 13.

* PEP 8011 - Python Governance Model Lead by Trio of Pythonistas

  This PEP describes a new model of Python governance lead by a Trio
of Pythonistas
  (TOP).  It describes the role and responsibilities of the Trio.
  This PEP does *not* name members of the Trio.  For that, see PEP 13.

* PEP 8012 - The Community Governance Model

  This is a placeholder PEP for a new model of Python governance based on
  consensus and voting, without the role of a centralized singular leader or a
  governing council.  It describes how, when, and why votes are conducted for
  decisions affecting the Python language.  It also describes the criteria for
  voting eligibility.

* PEP 8013 - The External Governance Model

  This PEP describes a new model of Python governance based on an external
  council who are responsible for ensuring good process.  Elected by the core
  development team, this council may reject proposals that are not
  sufficiently detailed, do not consider all affected users, or are not
  appropriate for the upcoming release.  This PEP does *not* name members of
  such a council.  For that, see PEP 13.

* PEP 8014 - The Commons Governance Model

  This PEP describes a new model of Python governance based on a council of
  elders who are responsible for ensuring a PEP is supported by a sufficient
  majority of the Python community before being accepted. Unlike some of the
  other governance PEPs it explicitly does *not* specify who has voting
  rights and what a majority vote consists of. In stead this is determined
  by the council of elders on a case by case basis.

* PEP 8015 - Organization of the Python community

  This PEP formalizes the current organization of the Python community
  and proposes 3 main changes: formalize the existing concept of
  "Python teams"; give more autonomy to Python teams; replace the BDFL
  (Guido van Rossum) with a new "Python board" of 3 members which has
  limited roles, mostly decide how a PEP is approved (or rejected).
"""

The PEP 8000 still says "Additional governance models may be added
before the final selection.": are we still expecting new governance
PEPs? Or should we remove this sentence?

In clear, does anyone want to write a new governance PEP?

Victor
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Re: [python-committers] 1 week to Oct 1

2018-10-11 Thread Victor Stinner 
> The PEP 8000 lists 5 governance PEPs:

Oops, there are even 6 governance PEPs :-)

Victor
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Re: [python-committers] discuss.python.org participation

2018-10-11 Thread Antoine Pitrou 

What concerns me is that there are several long-time and/or prominent
developers who are not even registered (*) on discuss.python.org.  For
example Benjamin Peterson, Larry Hastings, Raymond Hettinger, Stefan
Krah, Terry Reedy.

I would be worried if a decision is taken without them.

(*) https://discuss.python.org/u

Regards

Antoine.



Le 10/10/2018 à 05:20, Jack Diederich a écrit :
> I'm worried about the new format combined with governance discussions.
> As best I can tell 51 CPython committers have signed up for an account
> [I think that is a big number, btw] but only 17 have posted anything;
> That 17 is about 5 more people than put their name on a governance PEP.
> And maybe 5 people have half the total posts. This does not feel like a
> discussion at all.
> 
> I don't think it was deliberate, but it looks like the new format is
> actively discouraging everyone but those most deeply invested with the
> most free time from participating. 
> 
> -Jack
> 
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Re: [python-committers] discuss.python.org participation

2018-10-11 Thread Victor Stinner 
Le jeu. 11 oct. 2018 à 10:30, Antoine Pitrou  a écrit :
> What concerns me is that there are several long-time and/or prominent
> developers who are not even registered (*) on discuss.python.org.  For
> example Benjamin Peterson, Larry Hastings, Raymond Hettinger, Stefan
> Krah, Terry Reedy.
>
> I would be worried if a decision is taken without them.
>
> (*) https://discuss.python.org/u

Well, the PEP 8001 which explains how we will take a decision is still empty :-)
https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-8001/

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Re: [python-committers] discuss.python.org participation

2018-10-11 Thread Terry Reedy 

On 10/11/2018 4:30 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:


What concerns me is that there are several long-time and/or prominent
developers who are not even registered (*) on discuss.python.org.  For
example Benjamin Peterson, Larry Hastings, Raymond Hettinger, Stefan
Krah, Terry Reedy.


This provoked me to sign up and spend a few hours reading and 
practicing.  It seems to mix features from github issues and 
StackOverflow questions.  One main difference from the latter is using 
categories instead of tags.


If I wanted an IDLE category, should I post to Discourse Feedback? 
Could I be made the moderator, with full powers at least for that category?


tjr

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