Re: [python-committers] FINAL WEEK FOR 3.7.0 CHANGES!

2018-05-23 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

15.05.18 14:51, Ned Deily пише:

This is it! We are down to THE FINAL WEEK for 3.7.0! Please get your
feature fixes, bug fixes, and documentation updates in before
2018-05-21 ~23:59 Anywhere on Earth (UTC-12:00). That's about 7 days
from now. We will then tag and produce the 3.7.0 release candidate.
Our goal continues been to be to have no changes between the release
candidate and final; AFTER NEXT WEEK'S RC1, CHANGES APPLIED TO THE 3.7
BRANCH WILL BE RELEASED IN 3.7.1. Please double-check that there are
no critical problems outstanding and that documentation for new
features in 3.7 is complete (including NEWS and What's New items), and
that 3.7 is getting exposure and tested with our various platorms and
third-party distributions and applications. Those of us who are
participating in the development sprints at PyCon US 2018 here in
Cleveland can feel the excitement building as we work through the
remaining issues, including completing the "What's New in 3.7"
document and final feature documentation. (We wish you could all be
here.)


Is it possible to add yet one beta instead?

CI was broken for few latest days, tests are not passed on my computer 
still (and fail on some buildbots), updating What's New exposed new 
features which need additional testing (and maybe fixing or reverting), 
and I'm not comfortable about some changes which would be harder to fix 
after the release.

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Re: [python-committers] FINAL WEEK FOR 3.7.0 CHANGES!

2018-05-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Also there's https://bugs.python.org/issue33612 which appears quite
critical.

Regards

Antoine.


Le 23/05/2018 à 13:45, Serhiy Storchaka a écrit :
> 15.05.18 14:51, Ned Deily пише:
>> This is it! We are down to THE FINAL WEEK for 3.7.0! Please get your
>> feature fixes, bug fixes, and documentation updates in before
>> 2018-05-21 ~23:59 Anywhere on Earth (UTC-12:00). That's about 7 days
>> from now. We will then tag and produce the 3.7.0 release candidate.
>> Our goal continues been to be to have no changes between the release
>> candidate and final; AFTER NEXT WEEK'S RC1, CHANGES APPLIED TO THE 3.7
>> BRANCH WILL BE RELEASED IN 3.7.1. Please double-check that there are
>> no critical problems outstanding and that documentation for new
>> features in 3.7 is complete (including NEWS and What's New items), and
>> that 3.7 is getting exposure and tested with our various platorms and
>> third-party distributions and applications. Those of us who are
>> participating in the development sprints at PyCon US 2018 here in
>> Cleveland can feel the excitement building as we work through the
>> remaining issues, including completing the "What's New in 3.7"
>> document and final feature documentation. (We wish you could all be
>> here.)
> 
> Is it possible to add yet one beta instead?
> 
> CI was broken for few latest days, tests are not passed on my computer 
> still (and fail on some buildbots), updating What's New exposed new 
> features which need additional testing (and maybe fixing or reverting), 
> and I'm not comfortable about some changes which would be harder to fix 
> after the release.
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Re: [python-committers] FINAL WEEK FOR 3.7.0 CHANGES!

2018-05-23 Thread Victor Stinner
2018-05-23 13:47 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou :
> Also there's https://bugs.python.org/issue33612 which appears quite
> critical.

Can someone please have a look at my socketserver change?
https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/6911

bpo-31151 changed ForkingMixIn and bpo-31233 changed ThreadingMixIn to
block on server_closer() for processes/threads. I propose to add a new
opt-in option to get the Python 3.6 behaviour. The old behaviour was
wrong, but I expect that some people rely on it."
https://bugs.python.org/issue33540

Victor
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Re: [python-committers] FINAL WEEK FOR 3.7.0 CHANGES!

2018-05-23 Thread Victor Stinner
2018-05-23 13:45 GMT+02:00 Serhiy Storchaka :
> CI was broken for few latest days, tests are not passed on my computer still
> (and fail on some buildbots), (...)

I looked at buildbots and I confirm that many of the 3.x buildbots are red:

AMD64 FreeBSD 10.x Shared 3.x
AMD64 Windows8.1 Non-Debug 3.x
ARMv7 Ubuntu 3.x
PPC64 Fedora 3.x
s390x RHEL 3.x
x86 Gentoo Installed with X 3.x
x86 Gentoo Refleaks 3.x
AMD64 Windows8.1 Refleaks 3.x

Victor
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Re: [python-committers] FINAL WEEK FOR 3.7.0 CHANGES!

2018-05-23 Thread Victor Stinner
Ah, Python doesn't compile on Windows anymore :-)
https://bugs.python.org/issue33614

Victor

2018-05-23 14:16 GMT+02:00 Victor Stinner :
> 2018-05-23 13:45 GMT+02:00 Serhiy Storchaka :
>> CI was broken for few latest days, tests are not passed on my computer still
>> (and fail on some buildbots), (...)
>
> I looked at buildbots and I confirm that many of the 3.x buildbots are red:
>
> AMD64 FreeBSD 10.x Shared 3.x
> AMD64 Windows8.1 Non-Debug 3.x
> ARMv7 Ubuntu 3.x
> PPC64 Fedora 3.x
> s390x RHEL 3.x
> x86 Gentoo Installed with X 3.x
> x86 Gentoo Refleaks 3.x
> AMD64 Windows8.1 Refleaks 3.x
>
> Victor
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Re: [python-committers] FINAL WEEK FOR 3.7.0 CHANGES!

2018-05-23 Thread Ned Deily
On May 23, 2018, at 07:45, Serhiy Storchaka  wrote:
> 15.05.18 14:51, Ned Deily пише:
>> This is it! We are down to THE FINAL WEEK for 3.7.0! Please get your
>> feature fixes, bug fixes, and documentation updates in before
>> 2018-05-21 ~23:59 Anywhere on Earth (UTC-12:00). That's about 7 days
>> from now. We will then tag and produce the 3.7.0 release candidate.
>> Our goal continues been to be to have no changes between the release
>> candidate and final; AFTER NEXT WEEK'S RC1, CHANGES APPLIED TO THE 3.7
>> BRANCH WILL BE RELEASED IN 3.7.1. Please double-check that there are
>> no critical problems outstanding and that documentation for new
>> features in 3.7 is complete (including NEWS and What's New items), and
>> that 3.7 is getting exposure and tested with our various platorms and
>> third-party distributions and applications. Those of us who are
>> participating in the development sprints at PyCon US 2018 here in
>> Cleveland can feel the excitement building as we work through the
>> remaining issues, including completing the "What's New in 3.7"
>> document and final feature documentation. (We wish you could all be
>> here.)
> Is it possible to add yet one beta instead?
> 
> CI was broken for few latest days, tests are not passed on my computer still 
> (and fail on some buildbots), updating What's New exposed new features which 
> need additional testing (and maybe fixing or reverting), and I'm not 
> comfortable about some changes which would be harder to fix after the release.

it is possible but there's no point in doing either another beta or a release 
candidate until we understand and address the current blocking issues, like the 
major buildbot failures.  We have another 24 hours until rc1 was planned to be 
tagged.  Let's keep working on the known issues and we will make a decision 
then.

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Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-23 Thread Ethan Furman

On 05/22/2018 06:06 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 05:58:39PM -0400, Donald Stufft wrote:

On May 22, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Victor Stinner wrote:



One of the problems with PEP 572 was that the discussion was fractured
across multiple threads on two mailing lists, leading to the same points
being raised over and over again. (I think Chris was premature in taking
it to Python-Dev while it was still be actively argued on Python-Ideas.)


I have to take the blame for that.  It looked to me like the PEP was as good as it was going to get on -ideas so I 
encouraged Chris to move it over to -dev.


--
~Ethan~
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