Re: [python-committers] Comments on moving issues to GitHub

2018-05-20 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Le 19/05/2018 à 02:10, Victor Stinner a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> I failed to get the microphone after Mariatta's secret talk about
> moving Python issues from bugs.python.org (Roundup) to GitHub.

A "secret talk"? What is that?

> I don't have a strong opinion about moving issues to GitHub.

If that's on the table, it seems to me that categorization, sorting and
filtering on GitHub issues is rather poor, while the basic UI experience
(editing messages, etc.) is better.  Also, I think customization (e.g.
of the default view) is basically inexistent.

Regards

Antoine.
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Re: [python-committers] Comments on moving issues to GitHub

2018-05-20 Thread Stefan Krah
On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 10:56:21AM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> If that's on the table, it seems to me that categorization, sorting and
> filtering on GitHub issues is rather poor, while the basic UI experience
> (editing messages, etc.) is better.  Also, I think customization (e.g.
> of the default view) is basically inexistent.

Also search via Google "site:bugs.python.org " usually gives quite
nice results, while the same for GitHub issues usually does not work at
all (far too many unrelated results).


Then there's the original promise of the GitHub migration that in the
case of GH bankruptcy or a sudden lockdown the tracker would still be
available.



Stefan Krah



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Re: [python-committers] Comments on moving issues to GitHub

2018-05-20 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Sun, May 20, 2018, 03:18 Antoine Pitrou  wrote:

>
> Le 19/05/2018 à 02:10, Victor Stinner a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > I failed to get the microphone after Mariatta's secret talk about
> > moving Python issues from bugs.python.org (Roundup) to GitHub.
>
> A "secret talk"? What is that?
>

She gave a talk at the language summit to discuss what people thought of
the idea, and she had some fun making the topic a surprise so she could see
people's reactions. I don't think there's any secret beyond that.

IIRC, the general reaction was that it was definitely worth exploring, but
that it would be a lot of work and require solutions to a lot of problems
to make sure people's workflows weren't too impacted, so we'd need a much
more detailed proposal before any decision could be made.

-n
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Re: [python-committers] Comments on moving issues to GitHub

2018-05-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 20, 2018, at 10:19, Nathaniel Smith  wrote:
> 
> IIRC, the general reaction was that it was definitely worth exploring, but 
> that it would be a lot of work and require solutions to a lot of problems to 
> make sure people's workflows weren't too impacted, so we'd need a much more 
> detailed proposal before any decision could be made.

Note too that Bryan Clark from GitHub, who I believe is a product manager 
there, was at the packaging mini-summit.  If/when we have a specific set of 
asks for the migration, we can reach out to him and see how they can help.  For 
example, I specifically asked about my favorite GitLab feature “commit when CI 
passes” and it sounded like they were working on that.

-Barry



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Re: [python-committers] Comments on moving issues to GitHub

2018-05-20 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sun, 20 May 2018 at 10:43 Barry Warsaw  wrote:

> On May 20, 2018, at 10:19, Nathaniel Smith  wrote:
> >
> > IIRC, the general reaction was that it was definitely worth exploring,
> but that it would be a lot of work and require solutions to a lot of
> problems to make sure people's workflows weren't too impacted, so we'd need
> a much more detailed proposal before any decision could be made.
>
> Note too that Bryan Clark from GitHub, who I believe is a product manager
> there, was at the packaging mini-summit.  If/when we have a specific set of
> asks for the migration, we can reach out to him and see how they can help.
> For example, I specifically asked about my favorite GitLab feature “commit
> when CI passes” and it sounded like they were working on that.
>

There was also general consensus that the state of maintenance for bpo is
subpar due to lack of staffing and that more people will need to come
forward to help maintain it if we decide to not transition to another issue
tracker like GitHub or GitLab.
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[python-committers] 3.7.0rc1 deadline extended two days to 2018-05-23 AOE [Re: FINAL WEEK FOR 3.7.0 CHANGES!]

2018-05-20 Thread Ned Deily
We are going to extend for 48 hours the deadline for 3.7.0rc1, that is, until 
2018-05-23 23:59 AOE.  While we have made tremendous progress towards the 
release candidate over the past week especially with the huge efforts at the 
PyCon US Sprints, we still have some important issues to resolve.  A stumbling 
block has been the increased instability in the test suite, primarily in 
test_asyncio, which has caused delays in merging PRs due to intermittent 
failures in CI test runs and which has caused widespread buildbot failures.  
Another factor is that this weekend and Monday are public holidays in many 
countries, something I did not take into account when drawing up the schedule.  
(Note that next weekend is a major public holiday in the USA.)  So let's plan 
on using the extra two days to work through the remaining release blockers.

Thanks again!
--Ned

On May 15, 2018, at 07:51, Ned Deily  wrote:
> This is it! We are down to THE FINAL WEEK for 3.7.0! Please get your
> feature fixes, bug fixes, and documentation updates in before
> 2018-05-21 ~23:59 Anywhere on Earth (UTC-12:00). That's about 7 days
> from now. We will then tag and produce the 3.7.0 release candidate.
> Our goal continues been to be to have no changes between the release
> candidate and final; AFTER NEXT WEEK'S RC1, CHANGES APPLIED TO THE 3.7
> BRANCH WILL BE RELEASED IN 3.7.1. Please double-check that there are
> no critical problems outstanding and that documentation for new
> features in 3.7 is complete (including NEWS and What's New items), and
> that 3.7 is getting exposure and tested with our various platorms and
> third-party distributions and applications. Those of us who are
> participating in the development sprints at PyCon US 2018 here in
> Cleveland can feel the excitement building as we work through the
> remaining issues, including completing the "What's New in 3.7"
> document and final feature documentation. (We wish you could all be
> here.)
> 
> As noted before, the ABI for 3.7.0 was frozen as of 3.7.0b3. You
> should now be treating the 3.7 branch as if it were already released
> and in maintenance mode. That means you should only push the kinds of
> changes that are appropriate for a maintenance release:
> non-ABI-changing bug and feature fixes and documentation updates. If
> you find a problem that requires an ABI-altering or other significant
> user-facing change (for example, something likely to introduce an
> incompatibility with existing users' code or require rebuilding of
> user extension modules), please make sure to set the b.p.o issue to
> "release blocker" priority and describe there why you feel the change
> is necessary. If you are reviewing PRs for 3.7 (and please do!), be on
> the lookout for and flag potential incompatibilities (we've all made
> them).
> 
> Thanks again for all of your hard work towards making 3.7.0 yet
> another great release - coming to a website near you on 06-15!
> 
> Release Managerly Yours,
> --Ned
> 
> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0537/

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