[issue45582] Rewrite getpath.c in Python

2021-12-10 Thread Steve Dower


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New changeset 3f398a77d37b5dfd51dabbc362d482a482fa885a by neonene in branch 
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bpo-45582: Fix test_embed failure during a PGO build on Windows (GH-30014)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/3f398a77d37b5dfd51dabbc362d482a482fa885a


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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-10 Thread Steve Dower


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I'm going to need a decent amount of time to learn all of these components, 
because I never use this OS, Tox, nor virtualenv :) I'll try and get to it, but 
don't hold your breath. Luckily, Modules/getpath.py is much easier to follow 
and modify than the old systems.

If there's a pyvenv.cfg involved, base_executable should be calculated based on 
the "home" key in it. Previously, I don't think we calculated it at all on 
Linux - it was just sys.executable before site.py changes anything.

On Windows, it was always intended to be "the executable that new venvs should 
be created with" so that venvs created from venvs would be based off the same 
install, rather than trying to chain. I have no idea what the correct path for 
that is in this context, so could do with some help.

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[issue43749] venv module does not copy the correct python exe

2021-12-10 Thread Steve Dower


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We'd also need to update the launcher to launch the executable with its name, 
which it currently doesn't do. I was looking at this recently for some other 
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[issue46048] embeddable distro cannot import modules

2021-12-11 Thread Steve Dower


New submission from Steve Dower :

The embeddable distro cannot import native modules.

This is because the '.' entry in the ._pth file is incorrect parsed by the new 
getpath module (issue45582).

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[issue46048] embeddable distro cannot import modules

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[issue46048] embeddable distro cannot import modules

2021-12-11 Thread Steve Dower


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New changeset 971ece8e1738b1107dda692cc44c6d8ddce384cd by Steve Dower in branch 
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bpo-46048: Fix parsing of single character lines in getpath readlines() 
(GH-30048)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/971ece8e1738b1107dda692cc44c6d8ddce384cd


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[issue46048] embeddable distro cannot import modules

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[issue46049] ._pth files untested on Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Steve Dower


New submission from Steve Dower :

Currently ._pth files are "enabled" for all platforms, but are only tested on 
Windows.

Extend the tests in test_site to work on all platforms.

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[issue46049] ._pth files untested on Linux

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[issue46049] ._pth files untested on Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Steve Dower


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New changeset bfc59ed0a00106f5ba4a32a0c5b3dbe71d12665d by Steve Dower in branch 
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bpo-46049: Fixes ._pth support on non-Windows (GH-30051)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/bfc59ed0a00106f5ba4a32a0c5b3dbe71d12665d


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[issue46049] ._pth files untested on Linux

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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-11 Thread Steve Dower


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What's the contents of the pyvenv.cfg in these cases?

It looks like the first case is definitely wrong, because the base 
executable should not be in "venv_a2" (that's sys.executable), but I 
don't know where it should be on your system.

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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Dower


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> $ cat venv_a3/pyvenv.cfg
> home = /home/ss/.pyenv/versions/3.11.0a3/bin

> $ venv_a3/bin/python -c "import sys,os.path; print(e := 
> sys._base_executable); print(os.path.exists(e))"
> /home/ss/.pyenv/versions/3.11.0a3/bin/python
> True

This is the intended behaviour, and yes it's changed from previous versions 
(but not on Windows, where it was always correct). The previous value was 
incorrect, hence it was marked as an internal field.

If your venv doesn't have a "python" binary in the directory set as "home" in 
pyvenv.cfg (which by definition, according to Lib/venv/__init__.py, is 
dirname(sys.executable) ), then there's some other issue with venv on your 
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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Dower


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I'm downgrading this from release blocker. If Vinay thinks there's a 
venv-related release blocker here he's welcome to raise the priority again, but 
I only see an intentional change to an internal value. Tools relying on 
internal fields will have to adapt for 3.11.

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[issue46056] Cannot use virtual environment on Windows 10 in corporate security settings

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Dower


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If you execute "python -m venv --without-pip ..." to create, then as a 
workaround you can set the __PYVENV_LAUNCHER__ environment variable to the full 
path to the venv's python.exe and run the normal python3.10.exe.

As Eryk mentioned, you'll need to run everything through "-m" instead of the 
script wrappers that pip would install. This includes "-m ensurepip", which 
should be able to install pip into the venv normally.

Note that this is an undocumented/unsupported environment variable, and so it 
may change in later releases. But it should work fine throughout 3.10's 
lifetime (and it hasn't changed _yet_ in 3.11).

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[issue46056] Cannot use virtual environment on Windows 10 in corporate security settings

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Dower


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Also, if you see people discussing PEP 582, you might want to throw in a vote 
of support. It is intended to provide the benefits of a venv without needing to 
do tricks like we do for the current design, but it keeps being rejected for 
"not being sufficiently useful".

Seems like in your case it would be very useful. That might help sway some of 
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[issue14484] missing return in win32_kill?

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Dower


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> Windows should have its own specific function.

Either that or mimic it properly. Having a single function that requires 
different parameters based on OS is a very user-hostile design.

If someone wants to shepherd it through the process, I'd support either 
making the typical POSIX values do sensible equivalents on Windows (as 
best possible), or adding a new function entirely and deprecating all 
use of the current one on Windows. Those are the only ways to lead 
people into writing code that works well on all platforms.

(My *real* preference is that people stop trying to kill applications ;) 
and try to set up a safe communication channel instead, but I know it's 
often unavoidable. Having common parameters that do the Right Things on 
all platforms is next best.)

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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Dower


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Is sys._base_executable correct without a venv? It should be the same as 
sys.executable in that case.

venv calculates 'home' here: Lib/venv/__init__.py#L117

executable = sys._base_executable
dirname, exename = os.path.split(os.path.abspath(executable))
context.executable = executable # not relevant to this bug
context.python_dir = dirname# written as "home = ..."

If the path doesn't exist later on, it's because it didn't exist in the first 
place. *That* could be the real bug.

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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Dower


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> But the value as it's calculated now seems to give a file that doesn't exist 
> - how can that be correct?

Because we never actually use the executable referenced by the 'home' path in a 
pyvenv.cfg. It's only used as a starting point to locate a couple of entries in 
sys.path. So if the executable isn't there, it's no big deal.

It shouldn't even matter in the nested-creation case, because we still don't 
execute it then. It's just how we end up with the same value for 'home' in any 
venvs created within a venv.

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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-13 Thread Steve Dower


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> Because we never actually use the executable referenced by the 'home' path in 
> a pyvenv.cfg.

This is actually not true on Windows or (I believe) some situations on macOS, 
where we need to use a redirecting launcher to actually launch the binary 
specified in this value. But on POSIX, because all the references are hardcoded 
in the binary, we can just copy the original around and it never loses track of 
its real home and never has to launch its original copy.

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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-14 Thread Steve Dower


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> $ v311/bin/python -m venv 311-nested
> Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
> '/private/tmp/bpo-46028/311-nested/bin/python'

I assume /private/tmp/bpo-46028/311-nested/bin/python3.11 exists though? 
Probably that's the issue here - I don't know how else to get the real 
executable *name* other than copying from argv[0], and it isn't supposed 
to be necessary.

You also have v311/bin/python3.11, right? If you use that one, does it 
work? I'm trying to narrow down where the base executable is actually 
being launched and why.

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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-14 Thread Steve Dower


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Or possibly that error is coming from the attempt to copy it? And since 
both executable and base_executable don't have the 3/3.x suffix, the 
copy is failing because the "real" binary does have the suffix.

This could be corrected in getpath.py with a platform-specific quirk 
that searches for suffixed binaries for base_executable, but for 
performance reasons I think we'd prefer to have that check in venv so 
that it doesn't impact every single launch of CPython.

The actual binary could also be added to pyvenv.cfg as another value - 
parsing that out in getpath.py is now considerably easier for someone to 
add than it used to be.

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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-14 Thread Steve Dower


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Does the first venv's 'python' link to python3[.11]? If so, maybe 
_base_executable should be based on real_executable's filename rather than 
executable (that is, *after* resolving symlinks rather than before).

I don't *think* that will cause any issues, and it shouldn't be any more 
expensive to compute. Only has to change for when a pyvenv.cfg is detected I 
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[issue46088] Build hangs under Visual Studio in deepfreeze stage

2021-12-16 Thread Steve Dower


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[issue46088] Build hangs under Visual Studio in deepfreeze stage

2021-12-16 Thread Steve Dower


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I posted a PR that shells out to the find_python script and captures its output 
to use during VS builds.

Theoretically, this could save us from running it in build.bat, but I like 
having the detection and messages up front rather than buried deep in the build 
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[issue46088] Build hangs under Visual Studio in deepfreeze stage

2021-12-16 Thread Steve Dower


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On Windows we automatically download a runtime if you don't have one, so this 
isn't such a big deal. You *do* need an internet connection to do this, of 
course, but that's the case for most of our external dependencies already.

Plus I don't think we're even building the bootstrap interpreter on Windows yet?

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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-16 Thread Steve Dower


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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2021-12-16 Thread Steve Dower


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This PR *might* be a fix, but I think it's only partial. It isn't going to work 
if you've made a venv and copied "python3"->"python", for example.

It still might be best solved by writing base_executable into pyvenv.cfg, and 
then simply reading it out.

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[issue40915] multiple problems with mmap.resize() in Windows

2021-12-18 Thread Steve Dower


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New changeset 6214caafbe66e34e84c1809abf0b7aab6791956b by neonene in branch 
'main':
bpo-40915: Avoid compiler warnings by fixing mmapmodule conversion from 
LARGE_INTEGER to Py_ssize_t (GH-30175)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/6214caafbe66e34e84c1809abf0b7aab6791956b


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[issue46088] Build hangs under Visual Studio in deepfreeze stage

2021-12-18 Thread Steve Dower


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New changeset 6fc91daf730c60b08b4b32cdce28ff26505a0622 by Steve Dower in branch 
'main':
bpo-46088: Automatically detect or install bootstrap Python runtime when 
building from Visual Studio (GH-30143)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/6fc91daf730c60b08b4b32cdce28ff26505a0622


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[issue46088] Build hangs under Visual Studio in deepfreeze stage

2021-12-18 Thread Steve Dower


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[issue46106] OpenSSL 1.1.1m is now available

2021-12-18 Thread Steve Dower


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Are we going to have to rush security releases for this one? Or can it 
wait (for me) until Monday?

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[issue46123] _freeze_module on Windows can be built faster with no optimization

2021-12-19 Thread Steve Dower


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New changeset 0b582a4a1b24472a35ed7fc973728ac9d595f123 by neonene in branch 
'main':
bpo-46123: Disable optimizations for _freeze_module.exe on MSVC for faster 
building (GH-30181)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/0b582a4a1b24472a35ed7fc973728ac9d595f123


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[issue46123] _freeze_module on Windows can be built faster with no optimization

2021-12-19 Thread Steve Dower


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[issue46106] OpenSSL 1.1.1m is now available

2021-12-19 Thread Steve Dower


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I've put up the builds for 1.1.1m (and double checked everything after 
last time - it's definitely "m" :) ), so anyone can do the PR to change 
Python itself. Otherwise I'll probably get time this week.

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[issue46171] venv module produces spurious warning that location has moved

2021-12-28 Thread Steve Dower


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There are plenty of other ways to get a venv through a potentially unexpected 
path (turns out I've been doing one for years), which is why I went with the 
general warning rather than limiting it to specific behaviours that are subject 
to change outside of our control.

I'm not opposed to strengthening this check to ignore DOS encoded names, but I 
think it should remain for anything where the realised executable path isn't 
the same as what you'd assume from the requested path. Without being very aware 
of how your directories are all configured, it could be near impossible to 
diagnose, so the warning in the command-line tool is appropriate.

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[issue46177] can't install launcher for all users

2021-12-28 Thread Steve Dower


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This normally happens because you've already installed the launcher "just for 
me". You can't change that setting later.

Open Add/Remove Programs and uninstall the Python Launcher first. Then you 
should be able to reinstall it for all users.

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[issue46208] os.path.normpath change between 3.11.0a2 and 3.11.0a3+

2021-12-31 Thread Steve Dower


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Yep, it's a bug and should be fixed.

I'm still not back coding yet, but I'll get to it once I am if nobody else gets 
there first. This is going to affect getpath.py in the native implementation, 
so it ought to be fixed there (and we need tests for this case, since it's 
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[issue46171] venv module produces spurious warning that location has moved

2021-12-31 Thread Steve Dower


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My VHDX mounted in a directory is affected by this, and actually broke a couple 
of tools until I also mounted it as a drive. (Using a VHDX helps bypass a lot 
of filesystem related perf impacts on Windows, so it's worth the occasional 
broken tool.)

I suspect (but haven't tested) that some file sharing handlers or attached 
devices could also hit it - thinking here of IoT devices that provide a 
filesystem-like interface.

Either way, I don't think the warning is spurious, and while it's not 
particularly helpful for people who pass in 8.3 names that are then expanded 
(it shouldn't ever happen the other way), that's easily fixed on the user's 
side. (And tempfile, which clearly needs fixing.)

I'm also *strongly against* warnings/errors that only occur based on a decision 
you made ages ago (or that someone else made for you), such as how you 
installed Python. Right now we have a warning that can be explained in exactly 
the same way on every platform and every circumstance, but Eryk's 
proposal/preference would suddenly make the case for the warning way too 
complex. Tutorials and teachers don't get to ignore it just because it only 
happens to some of their readers/students, and so we only make things worse for 
them by making it harder to understand. Better to have a simple, consistent 
message in this case.

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[issue46226] User specific paths added to System PATH environment variable

2022-01-03 Thread Steve Dower


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If you have them, can you share your install logs (look in %TEMP% for files 
starting with "Python"). If not, please share your install options.

By default, this works fine. You have to make some specific modifications to 
the install options to do what you've done, such as choosing to install for all 
users and then overriding the install path to a per-user location. If you're 
installing just for yourself, the installer shouldn't even have the permissions 
required to modify system-wide environment variables.

It's also possible that your machine has a special configuration to do this, in 
which case you'll need to speak with your administrator to find out why. We 
can't help with that - we just use standard MSIs and let the OS choose where 
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[issue46217] 3.11 build failure on Win10: new _freeze_module changes?

2022-01-03 Thread Steve Dower


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Good catch. We still support 8.1 for this release, so that flag will have to be 
taken out (and hopefully people won't be impacted by long path names here).

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[issue46208] os.path.normpath change between 3.11.0a2 and 3.11.0a3+

2022-01-06 Thread Steve Dower


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I'm happy with PR 30362 now - any other comments before we merge?

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[issue46208] os.path.normpath change between 3.11.0a2 and 3.11.0a3+

2022-01-06 Thread Steve Dower


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New changeset 9c5fa9c97c5c5336e60e4ae7a2e6e3f67acedfc7 by neonene in branch 
'main':
bpo-46208: Fix normalization of relative paths in 
_Py_normpath()/os.path.normpath (GH-30362)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/9c5fa9c97c5c5336e60e4ae7a2e6e3f67acedfc7


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[issue46208] os.path.normpath change between 3.11.0a2 and 3.11.0a3+

2022-01-06 Thread Steve Dower


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[issue46287] UNC path normalisation issues on Windows

2022-01-06 Thread Steve Dower


New submission from Steve Dower :

Taken from https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/30362#issuecomment-1006840632

For Windows, should there be tests for invalid UNC paths such as "//", "//..", 
"//../..", "//../../..", "//server", "//server/..", and "//server/../.."? This 
will help to ensure that future changes never allow an invalid path to be 
normalized as a valid path.

Also, it's not a major problem that should prevent merging, but the way 
repeated slashes are handled prior to the second component of a UNC path is 
less than ideal:

>>> os.path.normpath('//spam///eggs')
'spameggs'
>>> os.path.normpath('//spam///eggs/..')
'spam'
This case isn't a valid UNC share, since it's just "//spam", without a share 
component. However, the repeated slashes start the filepath part and should be 
reduced to a single backslash. That's what the GetFullPathNameW() call does in 
abspath():

>>> os.path.abspath('//spam///eggs')
'spam\\eggs'
>>> os.path.abspath('//spam///eggs/..')
'spam\\'

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title: UNC path normalisation issues on Windows
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[issue46287] UNC path normalisation issues on Windows

2022-01-06 Thread Steve Dower


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My replies to Eryk's comment copied above:

Yes, always more tests :)

The behaviour of normpath has always been weird and/or incorrect around invalid 
UNC paths.

For example, on 3.10, normpath("//spam///eggs/..") --> "spam". Originally, 
the path was a file path (albeit with an invalid empty share name), and the 
final path is just a machine name.

Currently on 3.11, normpath("//spam///eggs/..") --> "spam". This 
doesn't match GetFullPathNameW, but at least it leaves the end of the path as a 
file (with an empty share name).

I don't think it's necessarily obvious which is correct, though matching 
GetFullPathNameW is certainly the easiest rule for us to use. Matching previous 
Python versions is also reasonable, though given the input is invalid for its 
domain we don't really have any obligation to preserve the result.

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[issue45925] Upgrade macOS and Windows installers to use SQLite 3.37.2

2022-01-06 Thread Steve Dower


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Are we enabling the build option they mention on the release page? Or is 
this only going to affect users who use the pragma?

We should obviously do the upgrade, but that will determine how 
aggressively we ought to be messaging the issue.

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[issue45925] Upgrade macOS and Windows installers to use SQLite 3.37.2

2022-01-06 Thread Steve Dower


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We should definitely upgrade, but we probably don't have to trigger a 
fresh release of all branches for it, or make a big fuss about it being 
a special fix. That's all I was trying to establish.

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[issue46217] 3.11 build failure on Win10: new _freeze_module changes?

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Dower


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Only a newer WinSDK, which is not in any way a significant change to the 
resulting build and so isn't part of the "spec" as it were.

But we'll remove the use of this flag once someone has the time to make a PR.

(Remember to add the RM when you declare something a release blocker or the 
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[issue45925] Upgrade macOS and Windows installers to use SQLite 3.37.2

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Dower


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> Can you update the sources repo in the mean time?

Done

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[issue46297] Python interpreter crashes on bootup with multiple PythonPaths set in registry

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Dower


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New changeset c9dc1f491e8edb0bc433cde73190a3015d226891 by Daniel in branch 
'main':
bpo-46297: Fix interpreter crash on startup with multiple PythonPaths set in 
registry (GH-30466)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/c9dc1f491e8edb0bc433cde73190a3015d226891


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[issue46297] Python interpreter crashes on bootup with multiple PythonPaths set in registry

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Dower


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Thanks for the report and the PR!

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[issue46297] Python interpreter crashes on bootup with multiple PythonPaths set in registry

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Dower


Change by Steve Dower :


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[issue46217] 3.11 build failure on Win10: new _freeze_module changes?

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Dower


Change by Steve Dower :


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[issue46217] 3.11 build failure on Win10: new _freeze_module changes?

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Dower


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New changeset d81182b8ec3b1593daf241d44757a9fa68fd14cc by Steve Dower in branch 
'main':
bpo-46217: Revert use of Windows constant that is newer than what we support 
(GH-30473)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/d81182b8ec3b1593daf241d44757a9fa68fd14cc


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[issue46217] 3.11 build failure on Win10: new _freeze_module changes?

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Dower


Change by Steve Dower :


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[issue46226] User specific paths added to System PATH environment variable

2022-01-10 Thread Steve Dower


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Without logs or the ability to reproduce it, there's not much we can do. I ran 
the install and it put the variables in the right place, so it's not happening 
all the time.

The install logs are usually detailed enough to see why decisions like this are 
made, but it'll almost certainly be because of something specific to your 
machine. If running the install again produces the same result, those logs will 
be helpful as well. I don't see us being able to make any product changes for 
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[issue33125] Windows 10 ARM64 platform support

2022-01-11 Thread Steve Dower


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Hi Tommy! Glad to have you join the discussion (I'm a huge fan of OBS Studio, 
and if the license wasn't incompatible with my employer, I'd be actively 
contributing :) )

Our challenge with the installer is the portability of Wix Toolset. I'm pretty 
sure our current version doesn't support ARM64, and they haven't released a 
newer version that does yet. It's possible that emulation will handle the main 
part of our installer, but AFAIK nobody has tested it to see whether it 
confuses the underlying installer service. (I can probably do that at some 
point, as I have access to some test machines now.)

At the same time, any reason why OBS doesn't just include a copy of Python with 
it? It should be quite easy to include the embeddable runtime on Windows, which 
would then mean that you're able to ship the exact version necessary and have 
the paths preconfigured. (It *might* complicate installing 3rd party packages a 
bit, but you can always allow search paths to be set/PYTHONPATH to be 
respected, or the executable path overridden.)

Possibly this is something you guys have already looked into, so if you know 
there's an issue I'd love to hear about it. Making it easy/easier to bundle 
Python with apps like OBS is one of my major focuses.

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[issue46346] New compilation warnings on Windows

2022-01-11 Thread Steve Dower


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Possibly related to Victor's change in issue46303?

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[issue33125] Windows 10 ARM64 platform support

2022-01-12 Thread Steve Dower


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PEP 514 is the way to find it on Windows (you should be able to look directly 
for your supported version, rather than enumerating to search). As far as I 
know, the best way to find it on macOS and Linux is to search PATH for 
"python3.X".

Appreciate the size concerns. The Python runtime comes down to about 10MB with 
some basic tricks (already done on Windows in the embeddable distro), such as 
excluding the docs, test suite and zipping the standard library. It's possible 
with different tricks to do the same on other platforms, so you may even find 
the best balance for yourselves and your users is to repackage those and do a 
download-on-demand, rather than looking for a system installed Python.

> as an installer, it should be the most forgotten part of python that usually 
> runs for once or twice. 

Oh I wish this were the case! Installers should be forgotten, but they need to 
be 100% reliable or people *really* notice :)

But updating the installer build to target ARM64 while generating an x86 
executable should be possible, it just hasn't been done yet.

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[issue46303] _Py_stat and _Py_wstat using incorrect type for status argument

2022-01-12 Thread Steve Dower


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> Microsoft provides stat and struct stat, but they prepend the names with an 
> underscore.
They are also influenced by various compiler options to choose between 
32-bit and 64-bit fields. This makes it impossible to use the standard 
names as part of an ABI, because we can't/don't enforce that the 
preprocessor definitions match.

We should isolate all structures from libc/equivalent in our public API 
so that we can ensure compatibility. (FILE* was historically also an 
issue, but that was bad enough that Windows fixed it on their side. The 
rest of the C runtime library still bleeds everywhere, so we definitely 
don't want it or its semantics in our public API if avoidable.)

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[issue46362] os.path.abspath() needs more normalization on Windows

2022-01-13 Thread Steve Dower


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One thing to be aware of is that Windows 11 has changed the rules around these 
files, so here's my results with 3.10:

>>> for path in paths:
... print(os.path.abspath(path))
...
C:\CON
C:\PRN
C:\AUX
\\.\NUL
C:\COM1
C:\COM2
C:\COM3
C:\COM9
C:\LPT1
C:\LPT2
C:\LPT3
C:\LPT9
C:\foo

But this shouldn't be an issue with the proposed (about to be merged) change.

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[issue46362] os.path.abspath() needs more normalization on Windows

2022-01-13 Thread Steve Dower


Steve Dower  added the comment:


New changeset d4e64cd4b0ea431d4e371f9b0a25f6b75a069dc1 by neonene in branch 
'main':
bpo-46362: Ensure ntpath.abspath() uses the Windows API correctly (GH-30571)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/d4e64cd4b0ea431d4e371f9b0a25f6b75a069dc1


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[issue46362] os.path.abspath() needs more normalization on Windows

2022-01-13 Thread Steve Dower


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Thanks for the patch!

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[issue46362] os.path.abspath() needs more normalization on Windows

2022-01-14 Thread Steve Dower


Steve Dower  added the comment:


New changeset 71c0b859ae16ee748cbb050a1f4de93c04e04f83 by neonene in branch 
'main':
bpo-46362: Ensure abspath() tests pass through environment variables to 
subprocess (GH-30595)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/71c0b859ae16ee748cbb050a1f4de93c04e04f83


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[issue44934] Windows installer: Append Python to PATH instead of prepending it

2022-01-17 Thread Steve Dower


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New changeset c47c9e6589eb7a272cfe4d352eb87389eb20ec2f by bneuburg in branch 
'main':
bpo-44934: Add optional feature AppendPath to Windows MSI installer (GH-27889)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/c47c9e6589eb7a272cfe4d352eb87389eb20ec2f


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[issue44934] Windows installer: Append Python to PATH instead of prepending it

2022-01-17 Thread Steve Dower


Steve Dower  added the comment:

Thanks for the PR! This is a good contribution, that wasn't trivial to do. It 
should be in Python 3.11 alpha 5, so please test it out and make sure it's 
behaving as you expect.

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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2022-01-18 Thread Steve Dower


Steve Dower  added the comment:


New changeset 7407fe4c25ba0308d49e3e88e4a107ef32251cdc by Steve Dower in branch 
'main':
bpo-46028: Calculate base_executable by resolving symlinks in a venv (GH-30144)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/7407fe4c25ba0308d49e3e88e4a107ef32251cdc


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[issue46028] 3.11.0a3: under tox, sys._base_executable is wrong

2022-01-18 Thread Steve Dower


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Merged my PR, but I want to leave this open in commit review for now - I'm not 
sure it deals with all the issues here, and probably not everything from the 
Discourse thread linked by Victor (though it might come close).

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[issue46434] pdb help fails with AttributeError when using Windows embeddable package

2022-01-19 Thread Steve Dower


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The PR looks good. I assume you've started the CLA process, so once that clears 
we'll be fine to merge.

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[issue46438] Static linking _decimal module breaks test_freeze

2022-01-19 Thread Steve Dower


New submission from Steve Dower :

After applying this patch on Linux, test_freeze_simple_script 
(test.test_tools.test_freeze.TestFreeze) fails.

diff --git a/Modules/Setup b/Modules/Setup
index d3647ecb99..c41bcac453 100644
--- a/Modules/Setup
+++ b/Modules/Setup
@@ -135,7 +135,7 @@ PYTHONPATH=$(COREPYTHONPATH)
 #_contextvars _contextvarsmodule.c
 #_csv _csv.c
 #_datetime _datetimemodule.c
-#_decimal _decimal/_decimal.c
+_decimal _decimal/_decimal.c
 #_heapq _heapqmodule.c
 #_json _json.c
 #_lsprof _lsprof.c rotatingtree.c


The stderr from the test is below. The rest of the output looks normal to me, 
but most of the build output is missing.

--- STDERR ---
gcc: error: Modules/_decimal/libmpdec/libmpdec.a: No such file or directory
make: *** [Makefile:976: app] Error 1

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[issue44673] Embedded Python - local directories in pythonXX._pth

2022-01-19 Thread Steve Dower


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I'm afraid not. The ._pth file is intended for embedding applications that have 
a static set of search paths.

You may want to try adding a startup file (search for PYTHONSTARTUP) that 
modifies sys.path directly. Or alternatively if you rename the ._pth file to a 
regular .pth file, it should disable the isolation protection and use the more 
flexible algorithm, which *I believe* will resolve relative paths against the 
current directory rather than where the file lives.

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[issue31582] Add _pth breadcrumb to sys.path documentation

2022-01-19 Thread Steve Dower


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Need to make this happen, and it probably needs to be me (though I'm happy to 
review a contribution).

We now handle ._pth files on all platforms as part of the Modules/getpath.py 
changes (which I hinted to in my previous comment from 5 years ago ;) ).

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[issue46434] pdb help fails with AttributeError when using Windows embeddable package

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Dower


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See 
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/b04dfbbe4bd7071d46c8688c2263726ea31d33cd/PC/layout/main.py#L256-L289

Basically, the .pyc files in the embeddable distro have been compiled with 
optimize=2, which is the equivalent of -OO. So yes, docstrings (and asserts) 
are expected to have been removed.

It shouldn't be removing docstrings from other modules that you provide 
yourself.

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[issue46434] pdb help fails with AttributeError when using Windows embeddable package

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Dower


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> the existing check in `do_help` didn't catch this case because 
> https://docs.python.org/3/library/sys.html#sys.flags only reflects command 
> line flags, rather than whether or not it was actually optimised.

Precisely. Your check is much more appropriate for what the actual issue 
is going to be, though keeping the existing check there means we can 
provide a more specific error message when we *know* that the user 
deliberately chose that behaviour.

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[issue46427] Correct MSBuild's configuration for _freeze_module.exe

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Dower


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This configuration is intentional.

When cross-compiling, tools that are executed as part of the build need to be 
built for the tool platform, not the target platform.

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[issue46427] Correct MSBuild's configuration for _freeze_module.exe

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Dower


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Windows ARM64 devices all support x86 and x64 emulation, so while it's less 
than ideal performance-wise to use a non-native build for this step, it's 
hardly fatal. That step doesn't rely on the underlying architecture, just the 
current Python bytecode format (which is platform independent).

Leaving the Platform blank is not acceptable. It needs to be set to the 
preferred tool architecture, which as it happens, is 
$(PreferredToolArchitecture).

As I said, if you've hit a *real* issue around this, please describe it. There 
is no theoretical issue here, and as far as I'm aware, no practical issues 
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[issue46452] Possible false detection of Windows LZMA library as a malware by Avast

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Dower


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I don't think we've changed anything here in years, so I'd be very 
surprised if something new was in there.

More likely somebody PyInstaller'd some malware and the scanners picked 
up a generic part of it as the signature. Reporting it as a false 
positive should let them compare against the original sample and correct it.

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[issue46459] Installing python to external drive (USB) using python installer failure

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Dower


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The installer doesn't support installing twice on the same machine, even to 
different locations.

What you probably want to do is to install it normally, then copy all the files 
onto the USB. You will need to "python -m pip install --force pip" in the new 
copy to fix up its scripts, and it may interfere with a system install if you 
use it on a machine that also has its own installation (though that's mostly 
been cleaned up since ~3.5), but should otherwise be fine.

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[issue46434] pdb help fails with AttributeError when using Windows embeddable package

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Dower


Steve Dower  added the comment:


New changeset 60705cff70576482fea31dcafbf8a37cbb751ea5 by Tom Sparrow in branch 
'main':
bpo-46434: Handle missing docstrings in pdb help (GH-30705)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/60705cff70576482fea31dcafbf8a37cbb751ea5


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[issue39952] Using VS2019 to automatically build Python3 and it failed to build

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Dower


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I think we can close it.

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[issue46434] pdb help fails with AttributeError when using Windows embeddable package

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Dower


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Thanks for the contribution!

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[issue46463] escape4chm.py script causing AttributeError in docs build

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Dower


New submission from Steve Dower :

Exception occurred:
  File "D:\a\1\s\Doc\tools\extensions\escape4chm.py", line 44, in fixup_keywords
with app.builder.open_file(outdir, outname + '.hhk', 'r') as f:
AttributeError: 'HTMLHelpBuilder' object has no attribute 'open_file'
The full traceback has been saved in 
C:\Users\VSSADM~1\AppData\Local\Temp\sphinx-err-9ikx8s0b.log, if you want to 
report the issue to the developers.
Please also report this if it was a user error, so that a better error message 
can be provided next time.
A bug report can be filed in the tracker at 
<https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinx/issues>. Thanks!

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[issue46463] escape4chm.py script causing AttributeError in docs build

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Dower


Change by Steve Dower :


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[issue46463] escape4chm.py script causing AttributeError in docs build

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Dower


Steve Dower  added the comment:


New changeset 57d1855682dbeb9233ef3a531f9535c6442e9992 by Steve Dower in branch 
'main':
bpo-46463: Fixes escape4chm.py script used when building the CHM documentation 
file (GH-30768)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/57d1855682dbeb9233ef3a531f9535c6442e9992


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[issue46463] escape4chm.py script causing AttributeError in docs build

2022-01-24 Thread Steve Dower


Change by Steve Dower :


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[issue45382] platform() is not able to detect windows 11

2022-01-24 Thread Steve Dower


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Yeah, I pushed the machines up to 2022 the other day while tidying the configs. 
Wouldn't have expected it to impact that issue though, it's fully within 
OpenSSL, isn't it? (We also updated that recently...)

Also, as an FYI, if you use "wmic /output:" then it always writes in 
utf-16-le with a BOM. It's *very* unlikely you'll ever get output that doesn't 
fit into MBCS, but if that does ever occur, we can use a temporary file instead 
of stdout.

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[issue33125] Windows 10 ARM64 platform support

2022-01-25 Thread Steve Dower


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> Our challenge with the installer is the portability of Wix Toolset. I'm 
> pretty sure our current version doesn't support ARM64, and they haven't 
> released a newer version that does yet. 

Turns out they've released some test versions that support it (partially, but 
enough), just nothing that they've declared stable. I'll push updated tools for 
3.11 so we have a chance to discover any breakage in earlier versions, but 
should be able to do ARM64 regular installer next alpha (Pablo, FYI - this will 
require updates to your side of things).

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[issue33125] Windows 10 ARM64 platform support

2022-01-25 Thread Steve Dower


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Yeah, will just be the same files again but with "arm64" in place of 
"win32"/"amd64".

I'm also going to stop uploading the old webinstall files with my change here, 
though that shouldn't matter. The code we added to filter them out should 
handle them being completely absent, IIRC.

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[issue33125] Windows 10 ARM64 platform support

2022-01-25 Thread Steve Dower


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[issue45382] platform() is not able to detect windows 11

2022-01-26 Thread Steve Dower


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sys.getwindowsversion() is affected to Microsoft's minimal rebuilds of 
OS components causing core DLLs to have older versions than the release, 
and also to compatibility modes that may report earlier versions if API 
behaviour is being emulated.

The best way for us to use WMI is to call it directly. There are native 
APIs to access it and retrieve the data directly. It's just nobody has 
written it yet.

Calling out to Powershell needs to account for cases where Powershell is 
not present, is disabled/blocked/limited, or is a different version. We 
can rely on the native APIs (at least, if they fail, there's nothing 
better we could possibly have done).

WMI is essentially the Windows equivalent of the platform module, so 
there's no reason all the APIs in platform.py shouldn't use it, and 
every reason that sys/os *shouldn't* use it.

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[issue45382] platform() is not able to detect windows 11

2022-01-26 Thread Steve Dower


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>> AFAIK, the Win32_OperatingSystem caption is always ASCII.
> 
> I think I was wrong here. The "Caption" field is localized, so the wmic.exe 
> OEM encoded output to a pipe isn't reliable.

Correct. And while "Windows" itself is never translated, the caption may 
include terms that are translated (e.g., IIRC, the extra names for 
point-of-sales versions).

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[issue31582] Add _pth breadcrumb to sys.path documentation

2022-01-27 Thread Steve Dower


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I think we need somewhere in the documentation to explain how the initial 
import path is calculated, in terms useful for an end user (rather than what's 
in getpath.py, which is for developers).

Right now, I'm not sure there's a good place for it. There's a Windows-specific 
page with some detail, but we probably need something more generic. Probably it 
belongs under Doc/using/cmdline.rst (the environment variables section there is 
tempting, but I expect those would be updated to point to an easier to follow 
explanation. We'd also point to it from sys.path.

Without adding the new section, there isn't really anywhere sensible to mention 
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[issue45925] Upgrade macOS and Windows installers to use SQLite 3.37.2

2022-01-28 Thread Steve Dower


Steve Dower  added the comment:


New changeset db77bcd6092f3c174ae855522411ab83854d65a8 by Kumar Aditya in 
branch 'main':
bpo-45925: Update Windows installer to SQLite 3.37.2 (GH-30485)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/db77bcd6092f3c174ae855522411ab83854d65a8


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[issue45925] Upgrade macOS and Windows installers to use SQLite 3.37.2

2022-01-28 Thread Steve Dower


Change by Steve Dower :


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[issue33125] Windows 10 ARM64 platform support

2022-01-28 Thread Steve Dower


Steve Dower  added the comment:


New changeset 45faf151c693b6f13f78926761caea6df7242024 by Steve Dower in branch 
'main':
bpo-33125: Enables building traditional installer for Windows ARM64 (GH-30885)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/45faf151c693b6f13f78926761caea6df7242024


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[issue46566] Support -3.11-arm64 in py.exe launcher

2022-01-28 Thread Steve Dower


New submission from Steve Dower :

We now have a traditional installer that runs on Windows ARM64 devices, but it 
omits the py.exe launcher. This is because sys.winver is "3.11-arm64" and hence 
the registry tag (see PEP 514) is not detected by the launcher.

Currently, the launcher is not included in the installer and appears as 
disabled with an explanatory note.

We need to add support for it eventually, and possibly block the final/RC/beta 
releases if we don't have it. (We don't ship the launcher with Nuget or Store 
packages, so nobody will miss it there, but they probably will here.)

32-bit apps can still run on ARM64, so it isn't essential to make it a native 
process. It just has to be able to detect the registry keys.

It should still support 32-bit and 64-bit installs, because those can also be 
run on ARM64 devices (though there are numerous things that don't work as well 
as a native build).

Possibly we want to just do the work to directly follow PEP 514 now? Depends on 
who volunteers to work on this, I guess.

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[issue33125] Windows 10 ARM64 platform support

2022-01-28 Thread Steve Dower


Steve Dower  added the comment:

The ARM64 installer will be part of the next 3.11 release, minus the py.exe 
launcher (which needs a chunk of work in issue46566) and Tcl/Tk (which needs 
upstream support for the platform) and hence IDLE.

I'm hesitant to make a final release without these components. At the same 
time, I'm concerned about other release blocking issues that may arise that are 
unrelated, so I do want to get releases out even without them so that we have a 
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[issue46567] Add Tcl/Tk builds for ARM64

2022-01-28 Thread Steve Dower


New submission from Steve Dower :

Currently our ARM64 installs omit Tcl/Tk (and implicitly tkinter and IDLE) 
because there appears to be no upstream support for building Tcl/Tk for ARM64.

Once the upstream support exists, or we have a good enough patch to apply to 
our own copy of the sources, we need to add these back.

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[issue33125] Windows 10 ARM64 platform support

2022-01-28 Thread Steve Dower


Steve Dower  added the comment:

Tcl/Tk tracking issue is issue46567

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