Re: Re: [PHP] Couple of beginner questions
On Jan 12, 2009 11:20am, Jason Pruim wrote: It's actually pretty normal and can work really well. Especially if the HTML person also did the graphic design and KNOWS how to make it work as a web page. We let them build HTML files, which are then turned into Smarty templates with the necessary blocks of Smarty code to work through whatever PHP hands to the template. The PHP app developer can then focus on the application logic...with the app's output going to the appropriate Smarty template. It's a pretty good system compared to the one person doing everything model that I worked under for a long time. Even a one person team can use that approach by separating the tasks and then maintaining discipline to work on the separate tasks, separately. John Corry On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:43 AM, Paul M Foster wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:04:15AM -0500, John Corry wrote: But here's a question for those of you who work in a collaborative environment-- are you really ever in a situation where some HTML weenie is coding HTML pages and you're somewhere else doing the PHP work? Or is that some academic's view of the way things *should* be done?
[PHP] Zend Framework...where to start?
I've been reading about these great new 'frameworks' for PHP development. The most similar experience I have so far is using PEAR/Smarty in application development. I am becoming very interested in adding one (or more) of these frameworks to my work existence. I'm leaning toward the Zend Framework for the following reasons: 1. Zend's commitment to PHP in the enterprise environment 2. I'm studying for Zend PHP certification...so remaining within the same family sort of makes sense. 3. It's widely heralded as a very good 'framework' 4. Integration with my IDE, Zend Studio 5. Great support/userbase/forums/docs I'm getting ready to start a new project that is going to be somewhat of a stretch for me. It'll be probably the most complex project I've done where I'm the only designer/developer and have to do everything myself: from func spec to mockups to wireframes to database design to documentation to code to maintenance...all of it is me. What do you think, should I kill 2 birds with one stone and use the ZF to build this new project? Or would it slow me down to add 'learning the ins and outs of a new way of working' to my already long list of tasks and short time to complete them? Zend touts this thing as 'saving time' and 'letting you work more efficiently'. Will the new developer who is learning how to use ZF realize those efficiencies or are they only for the people who are quite experienced with the framework? I'm curious about whether it's practical to begin with a framework by using it on a real, production project. ?? John Corry
Re: Re: [PHP] Zend Framework...where to start? -- don't.
I think I'm going to stick with objects generated by POG, PEAR classes where they can save me time and Smarty templates for display. Glad we had this little fireside chat before I started on my next project with an ambition to use some fancy new framework. You guys saved me what sounds like a LOT of time. Thanks, John Corry
