Re: [PHP] Obeying the rules (was Simple login form with cookies)

2009-07-09 Thread Still Learnin'

Tony Marston wrote:

I called [Daniel] "intolerant" because he jumps on issues which other 
people just don't care about.


By "other people" you can only mean yourself, since the number of
people disagreeing with you here on this list keeps increasing.

I called him "small minded" because he concentrates on small issues which 
simply don't matter in the great scheme of things.


You've been told four times at least, top posting interferes with
threading for this list and it's been brought up a couple of times
at least, top-posting encourages leaving all the trailing dross. Like
dingleberries that you are too lazy or ignorant to clean away.

You also said to Stuart, but may as well have meant for all who've
posted in favor bottom-posting on this list:

Your intolerant attitude on this issue shows just what a small-minded 
person you are.


With multiple valid reasons and increasing numbers supporting the
status quo for this list, you've thus-far persisted in calling it
an arbitrary rule that need not be followed. That seems pretty
small-minded indeed, for the 30-year professional you claim to be.

SL


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Re: [PHP] Obeying the rules (was Simple login form with cookies)

2009-07-09 Thread Still Learnin'

Tony Marston wrote:

I have no respect for anyone who wastes time in trying to force others to 
obey their petty rules.


...
The whole point about this particlar rule is that it has no purpose other 
than to force everybody to conform to somebody's idea of perfection.


You've been told more than twice, it isn't an arbitrary rule. It isn't
a petty rule. It isn't about perfection.

It's about clarity. So that the threaded archives are intelligible
instead of jumbled. So that the post-by-post emails properly read from
top to bottom.

It's also about courtesy, not dropping dingleberries dozens or scores
of lines long (and some of you others could stand to snip the extraneous
even though you do properly bottom-post).

Like has been said: if you don't play by the playground rules, don't
be surprised if the other kids don't want to play with you.

SL



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Re: [PHP] Obeying the rules (was Simple login form with cookies)

2009-07-09 Thread Still Learnin'

Tony Marston wrote:


You've been told more than twice, it isn't an arbitrary rule. It isn't
a petty rule. It isn't about perfection.


It is arbitrary. It is petty. It is about someone's idea of perfection.


One of us clearly manifests a reality gap. How many people do you
have siding with your position, on this list?


It's about clarity. So that the threaded archives are intelligible
instead of jumbled. So that the post-by-post emails properly read from
top to bottom.


That's why other newsgroups allow top posting because the response in each 
post is at the top, where the newsreader starts, so you don't have to scroll 
over the text of the previous post to get to the important stuff.


This is not a newsgroup. It is an email list that archives emails
on the php.net web site, and has a newsgroup subscribed.

If a thread contained 30 posts would you really want the text of all 30 
contained in the same message? How difficult would it be to separate one 
message from another?


What broken program (or script) puts the text of 30 posts into the
same post? You seem to be grasping at straws.


It's also about courtesy, not dropping dingleberries dozens or scores
of lines long (and some of you others could stand to snip the extraneous
even though you do properly bottom-post).


So what are the rules about snipping then?


You're the 30-year professional, figure them out. I'm Still Learnin'

ps- bye.


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Re: [PHP] RFC/Survey for Our Newer Folks (Including Lurkers)

2009-07-12 Thread Still Learnin'

Daniel P. Brown wrote:


 What I would like to know is how you found out about this list.


I had seen it and the others on php.net. When I decided to get serious
about programming in general and PHP in particular, I signed up. Lurked
for a while. Then finally posted when I had an issue I couldn't figure
out on my own.

SL


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