Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
Hello, On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 07:53:04 + Ashley Sheridan wrote: > I'm not sure quite what you'd expect such a module to do? Is this for > templating? page2 creates complete websites. Would be useful because I'm sitting at the website internationalization. Template engines seem complicated. Thank you for help, Greetings Silvio -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
On Sat, 2013-01-05 at 15:23 +0100, Silvio Siefke wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 07:53:04 + > Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > > I'm not sure quite what you'd expect such a module to do? Is this for > > templating? > > page2 creates complete websites. Would be useful because I'm sitting > at the website internationalization. Template engines seem complicated. > > > Thank you for help, Greetings > Silvio > I've just had a quick look at page2, and I can't say I see the point. You'd end up having to write a lot more code that was harder to manage by adding each element through a class like that if your site got even moderately complicated. There are many templating engines, and some are more complicated than others, don't write them off just yet. Technically speaking, page2 is a template engine of a kind, so you're already using one. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote > On Sat, 2013-01-05 at 15:23 +0100, Silvio Siefke wrote: >> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 07:53:04 + >> Ashley Sheridan wrote: >> >> > I'm not sure quite what you'd expect such a module to do? Is this for >> > templating? >> >> page2 creates complete websites. Would be useful because I'm sitting >> at the website internationalization. Template engines seem complicated. > I've just had a quick look at page2, and I can't say I see the point. > You'd end up having to write a lot more code that was harder to manage > by adding each element through a class like that if your site got even > moderately complicated. > > There are many templating engines, and some are more complicated than > others, don't write them off just yet. Technically speaking, page2 is a > template engine of a kind, so you're already using one. To build on Ash's remarks, I'd say don't over-engineer and complicate your application. HTML5 is dead easy to write directly -- unless you think your application is going to need to generate different flavours of (X)HTML, it may not be worth going the full-programmatic route like Page2 does. Internationalization is a pretty complex thing in and of itself (language preference detection, message catalog management, localized formatting, etc) that to also make the other parts of the presentation that complex are probably not where you want to spend your time. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
Hello, On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:52:12 + Ashley Sheridan wrote: > I've just had a quick look at page2, and I can't say I see the point. > You'd end up having to write a lot more code that was harder to manage > by adding each element through a class like that if your site got even > moderately complicated. > > There are many templating engines, and some are more complicated than > others, don't write them off just yet. Technically speaking, page2 is a > template engine of a kind, so you're already using one. Page2 dominated not HTML5. The websites at issue are in HTML5 "written". So an alternative must be sought to Page2. Thanks for help, Greetings Silvio -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
Silvio Siefke wrote: >Hello, > >On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:52:12 + >Ashley Sheridan wrote: > >> I've just had a quick look at page2, and I can't say I see the point. >> You'd end up having to write a lot more code that was harder to >manage >> by adding each element through a class like that if your site got >even >> moderately complicated. >> >> There are many templating engines, and some are more complicated than >> others, don't write them off just yet. Technically speaking, page2 is >a >> template engine of a kind, so you're already using one. > >Page2 dominated not HTML5. The websites at issue are in HTML5 >"written". >So an alternative must be sought to Page2. > >Thanks for help, Greetings >Silvio If the pages are already written, why do you want to start changing the way they've been built? Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
Hello, On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:21:05 + Ashley Sheridan wrote: > If the pages are already written, why do you want to start changing > the way they've been built? 1.) All websites are created manually. (nano + html/css Tags) 2.) The maintenance effort now is not enough. 3.) The programming (PHP) provides opportunities, which I'd like to meet. 4.) curiosity 5.) enough time Me was helped a lot in forums and mailing lists. I would like it back, because that's the idea of Open Source. Maybe I can help someone be in the distant future on a project. For that I must even try to learn once, and read. Is that all one reason or think I'm wrong? Thank you for help, Greetings Silvio -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
Silvio Siefke wrote: >Hello, > >On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:21:05 + >Ashley Sheridan wrote: > >> If the pages are already written, why do you want to start changing >> the way they've been built? > >1.) All websites are created manually. (nano + html/css Tags) >2.) The maintenance effort now is not enough. >3.) The programming (PHP) provides opportunities, which I'd like to >meet. >4.) curiosity >5.) enough time > >Me was helped a lot in forums and mailing lists. I would like it back, >because >that's the idea of Open Source. Maybe I can help someone be in the >distant >future on a project. For that I must even try to learn once, and read. > >Is that all one reason or think I'm wrong? > > >Thank you for help, Greetings >Silvio What I would start to do is break out common parts of pages to include files. This would be stuff like headers, footers, sidebars, etc. >From there, you could use variables to set things like titles, stylesheets, >nav items, etc. I've had to do this recently on a project that was written as >a bunch of static files. At worst, you could update the page2 templating engine to account for your new elements. But like I said, I think the very style page2 uses is extremely limiting, and will make maintenance later on. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
On Jan 5, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Silvio Siefke wrote: > On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:21:05 + > Ashley Sheridan wrote: > >> If the pages are already written, why do you want to start changing >> the way they've been built? > > 1.) All websites are created manually. (nano + html/css Tags) > Not mine. Cheers, tedd _ t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
Hello, On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 20:36:12 + Ashley Sheridan wrote: > What I would start to do is break out common parts of pages to include > files. This would be stuff like headers, footers, sidebars, etc. > From there, you could use variables to set things like titles, > stylesheets, nav items, etc. I've had to do this recently on a project > that was written as a bunch of static files. That i try at moment. Headers, CSS and static Content. Other stuff come from database. Only the date's make little trouble. > At worst, you could update the page2 templating engine to account for > your new elements. But like I said, I think the very style page2 uses > is extremely limiting, and will make maintenance later on. I think for static content were it good. What think about phptal? Thank you for help, Kind Regards Silvio -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
Hallo, On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 15:40:56 -0500 Tedd Sperling wrote: > Not mine. What should me say this two words? You not use nano, ok. Editors enough on earth. Or you not write manually? Then share the way! Or use a CMS? Thank you for help, Kind Regards Silvio -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pear Page2
On Sat, 2013-01-05 at 22:24 +0100, Silvio Siefke wrote: > Hallo, > > On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 15:40:56 -0500 > Tedd Sperling wrote: > > > > Not mine. > > What should me say this two words? You not use nano, ok. Editors enough > on earth. Or you not write manually? Then share the way! Or use a CMS? > > Thank you for help, Kind Regards > Silvio > Personally, I favour CodeIgniter as a framework to handle stuff like routes and stuff. I do the templates like this: 1. Call up the template.php view and pass across name of content view to use for the page/section and other page-specific bits 2. Template view pulls in header view and populates it with default stuff, which can be overridden with stuff from step 1 3. Template view pulls in the main content view which deals with that page 4. Template view pulls in footer view and populates it in the same way as header This is the most basic example, but often the template view will deal with other bits like navigation bars, sidebars, and other shared sections. You need not limit yourself to one template view either, you could have several depending on the section of the site. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
