Re: [PHP] Re: Help: Validate Domain Name by Regular Express
At 12:23 PM -0500 1/9/11, Daniel Brown wrote: On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:58, tedd wrote: For example -- http://xn--19g.com > -- is square-root dot com. In all browsers except Safari, PUNYCODE is shown in the address bar, but in Safari it's shown as .com Not sure if that's a typo or an issue in translation while the email was being relayed through the tubes, but .com directs to xn--wqa.com here. -- Daniel et al: Translation of Unicode characters by various software programs is unpredictable -- this includes email applications. While I can send/receive (square root) through my email program (Eudora) what your email program displays to you can be (as shown) something completely different. The mapping of the code-points (i.e., square-root) to what your program displays (much like a web site) depends upon how your email program works. If your email program has the correct Char Set and will map it to the what was actually received, then the character will be displayed correctly. If not, then things like .com happen. Unfortunately, this mapping problem has not been of great importance for most applications. As it is now, most applications work for English speaking people and that seems good enough, or so many manufactures think. However, as the "rest of the world" starts using applications (and logging on to the net) it will obviously become more advantageous for manufactures to make their software work correctly for other-than-English languages. Apple is doing that and last year the majority of their income came from overseas (i.e., other than USA). The mapping of other than English characters was the problem addressed by the IDNS WG, where I added my minor contribution circa 2000. Unfortunately, homographic issues were not resolved by the WG. However, a solution was proposed (I entitled as the "Fruit-loop" solution) which was to color-code (flag) the characters in the address bar of a browser IF the URL contained a mixed Char Set. Unfortunately, that solution was not pursued and instead Browser manufactures choose to show raw PUNYCODE, which was never intended to be seen by the end users. A giant step backwards IMO. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Help: Validate Domain Name by Regular Express
At 11:41 AM -0600 1/9/11, Donovan Brooke wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:58, tedd wrote: For example -- http://xn--19g.com -- is square-root dot com. In all browsers except Safari... but yes, the actual square root character appears in safari only. Interesting! Donovan Donovan: Yes, Safari shows ALL Unicode Code-Points (i.e., Characters) as they were intended. Here's a couple of examples: http://xn--u2g.com http://xn--w4h.com Interesting enough, the above characters cannot be typed directly from a key-board, but are shown correctly by a Browser. However as I said, these can only be seen correctly by the Safari browser. If you use IE, then the URL's will be shown as PUNYCODE -- M$ has a "better idea". What I also find interesting is that there are no restrictions for using IDNS names in email addresses. However, even Apple's Mail program restricts these to standard ASCII. IOW, an email address of t...@.com is perfectly legal (and will work), but no email application will allow it. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Help: Validate Domain Name by Regular Express
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 11:39 -0500, tedd wrote: > At 11:41 AM -0600 1/9/11, Donovan Brooke wrote: > >Daniel Brown wrote: > >>On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:58, tedd wrote: > >>> > >>>For example -- > >>> > >>>http://xn--19g.com > >>> > >>>-- is square-root dot com. In all browsers except Safari... > > > >but yes, the actual square root character appears in safari only. > > > >Interesting! > >Donovan > > Donovan: > > Yes, Safari shows ALL Unicode Code-Points (i.e., > Characters) as they were intended. > > Here's a couple of examples: > > http://xn--u2g.com > > http://xn--w4h.com > > Interesting enough, the above characters cannot > be typed directly from a key-board, but are shown > correctly by a Browser. > > However as I said, these can only be seen > correctly by the Safari browser. If you use IE, > then the URL's will be shown as PUNYCODE -- M$ > has a "better idea". > > What I also find interesting is that there are no > restrictions for using IDNS names in email > addresses. However, even Apple's Mail program > restricts these to standard ASCII. > > IOW, an email address of t...@.com is perfectly > legal (and will work), but no email application > will allow it. > > Cheers, > > tedd > -- > --- > http://sperling.com/ > on my Ubuntu box, I can copy and past the √ (square-root) character and it displays properly in he address bar on google chome, but it translates it back to the http://xn--19g.com and doesn't show anything else (well... the page loads...LOL) so did you register the xn--19q.com address knowing that it would work/translate to √.com (square-root) ? -- Steve Staples Web Application Developer 519.258.2333 x8414 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Help: Validate Domain Name by Regular Express
At 11:57 AM -0500 1/10/11, Steve Staples wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 11:39 -0500, tedd wrote: > >>>For example -- >>> >>>http://xn--19g.com >>> > >>>-- is square-root dot com. on my Ubuntu box, I can copy and past the (square-root) character and it displays properly in he address bar on google chome, but it translates it back to the http://xn--19g.com and doesn't show anything else (well... the page loads...LOL) so did you register the xn--19q.com address knowing that it would work/translate to .com (square-root) ? -- Steve Staples Steve: When I was associated with the IDNS WG (not a member), there came a time where the "powers that be" wanted to "try out" their solutions, namely PUNYCODE. As such, we were allowed to register IDNS domain names on a trial basis. The conditions of the trial were that we could register any IDNS we wanted (at $100 a pop) and if at anytime over the following year our names caused problems, then we would forfeit our names without compensation. In short, a $100 per-name bet! At that time, I registered almost 30 names. Fortunately, all of my names passed and I was permitted to keep them. Unfortunately, all browser manufactures (except Safari) negated some of the work done by the IDNS WG and as a result PUNYCODE is shown instead of the actual characters intended. I continue to hold on to my domain names because I believe that the PUNYCODE problem will be resolved someday and my single character domain names will be valuable. Please realize that single character ASCII characters are estimated to sell for over a million dollars each -- you may want to review this: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/28/tech/main1080245.shtml In any event, this is out of the main stream of PHP. However, it should just be noted that Unicode characters, which started this thread, are very involved and many software manufactures are not implementing solutions correctly. In contrast, the PHP community has provided numerous Multibyte String Functions (mb_) for dealing with Unicode. So, our PHP applications can correctly deal with what Unicode provides that are far exceed simple ASCII. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] First PHP job
Hello!, .. will try to keep this short! I've been a long time lurker but minimal poster. I made it a new years resolution to finally take on PHP jobs and now have my first one (with a completion date in a couple weeks!). I've been scripting in another language for many years and do know a thing or two.. but anticipate bothering the list a few times in the near future... hope that is fine with you all. I'm just about through Larry Ullman's "PHP" third edition that I started a couple days ago. Good book to start with I think, even for folks who have some kind of head start in Web Programming. I'm able to skim over a lot of it. I don't know how you all remain sane in dealing with quotes workarounds in echo/print statements, having to open/close PHP parsing using ?> all the time, and having to deal with array's for just about everything... but I'm sure I'll get used to it and it will become second nature at some point. ;-) ..Just turned 40 and had to finally change my monitor settings from 1920 X 1200 to 1344 X 840, which was like breathing fresh air after being in a coal mine for 8 hours... I should have done that 5 years ago I think. Cheers, to a new year, and new tricks for old dogs! ;-), Donovan -- D Brooke -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] First PHP job
At 12:02 PM -0600 1/10/11, Donovan Brooke wrote: Hello!, .. will try to keep this short! I've been a long time lurker but minimal poster. I made it a new years resolution to finally take on PHP jobs and now have my first one (with a completion date in a couple weeks!). I've been scripting in another language for many years and do know a thing or two.. but anticipate bothering the list a few times in the near future... hope that is fine with you all. I'm just about through Larry Ullman's "PHP" third edition that I started a couple days ago. Good book to start with I think, even for folks who have some kind of head start in Web Programming. I'm able to skim over a lot of it. I don't know how you all remain sane in dealing with quotes workarounds in echo/print statements, having to open/close PHP parsing using all the time, and having to deal with array's for just about everything... but I'm sure I'll get used to it and it will become second nature at some point. ;-) ..Just turned 40 and had to finally change my monitor settings from 1920 X 1200 to 1344 X 840, which was like breathing fresh air after being in a coal mine for 8 hours... I should have done that 5 years ago I think. Cheers, to a new year, and new tricks for old dogs! ;-), Donovan Donovan: As for 40 == Old dogs? What are you talking about? I've got underwear older than that -- forty is young! As for monitor settings, I have three monitors each set at 1680 x 1050 giving me a total of 5040 x 1050. My setup is almost enough for me -- I wish it was taller. As for Larry's books, he's a good writer and I've purchased all of his books. I like "PHP and MySQL For Dynamic Web Sites" and "PHP Advanced For the World Wide Web". If you know those, you'll do alright. As for "" just remember that HTML is the glue that holds everything together. Write good HTML and your PHP will naturally fit in where it's supposed to go. Good luck on your job. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] First PHP job
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:02:51PM -0600, Donovan Brooke wrote: > Hello!, .. will try to keep this short! > I've been a long time lurker but minimal poster. I made it a new years > resolution to finally take on PHP jobs and now have my first one (with a > completion date in a couple weeks!). > > I've been scripting in another language for many years and do know a > thing or two.. but anticipate bothering the list a few times in the near > future... hope that is fine with you all. > > I'm just about through Larry Ullman's "PHP" third edition that I started > a couple days ago. Good book to start with I think, even for folks who > have some kind of head start in Web Programming. I'm able to skim over > a lot of it. > > I don't know how you all remain sane in dealing with quotes workarounds > in echo/print statements, having to open/close PHP parsing using ?> all the time, and having to deal with array's for just about > everything... but I'm sure I'll get used to it and it will become second > nature at some point. ;-) That stuff's easy. I'm still trying to wrap my wits around the crazy way functions are handled in Javascript. I know of no other language which treats functions the way Javascript does. Wait until you get to PHP's automatic casting of strings to numbers under the proper conditions. You'll scratch your head for quite a while once you hit that one. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] First PHP job
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 16:21 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:02:51PM -0600, Donovan Brooke wrote:
>
> > Hello!, .. will try to keep this short!
> > I've been a long time lurker but minimal poster. I made it a new years
> > resolution to finally take on PHP jobs and now have my first one (with a
> > completion date in a couple weeks!).
> >
> > I've been scripting in another language for many years and do know a
> > thing or two.. but anticipate bothering the list a few times in the near
> > future... hope that is fine with you all.
> >
> > I'm just about through Larry Ullman's "PHP" third edition that I started
> > a couple days ago. Good book to start with I think, even for folks who
> > have some kind of head start in Web Programming. I'm able to skim over
> > a lot of it.
> >
> > I don't know how you all remain sane in dealing with quotes workarounds
> > in echo/print statements, having to open/close PHP parsing using > ?> all the time, and having to deal with array's for just about
> > everything... but I'm sure I'll get used to it and it will become second
> > nature at some point. ;-)
>
> That stuff's easy. I'm still trying to wrap my wits around the crazy way
> functions are handled in Javascript. I know of no other language which
> treats functions the way Javascript does.
>
> Wait until you get to PHP's automatic casting of strings to numbers under
> the proper conditions. You'll scratch your head for quite a while once
> you hit that one.
>
> Paul
>
> --
> Paul M. Foster
> http://noferblatz.com
>
>
or the ($needle, $haystack) vs ($haystack, $needle)... i still get it
screwed up... thankfully php.net/{function_name} is easy to use :P
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Re: [PHP] First PHP job
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 04:55:20PM -0500, Steve Staples wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 16:21 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:02:51PM -0600, Donovan Brooke wrote:
> >
> > > Hello!, .. will try to keep this short!
> > > I've been a long time lurker but minimal poster. I made it a new years
> > > resolution to finally take on PHP jobs and now have my first one (with a
> > > completion date in a couple weeks!).
> > >
> > > I've been scripting in another language for many years and do know a
> > > thing or two.. but anticipate bothering the list a few times in the near
> > > future... hope that is fine with you all.
> > >
> > > I'm just about through Larry Ullman's "PHP" third edition that I started
> > > a couple days ago. Good book to start with I think, even for folks who
> > > have some kind of head start in Web Programming. I'm able to skim over
> > > a lot of it.
> > >
> > > I don't know how you all remain sane in dealing with quotes workarounds
> > > in echo/print statements, having to open/close PHP parsing using > > ?> all the time, and having to deal with array's for just about
> > > everything... but I'm sure I'll get used to it and it will become second
> > > nature at some point. ;-)
> >
> > That stuff's easy. I'm still trying to wrap my wits around the crazy way
> > functions are handled in Javascript. I know of no other language which
> > treats functions the way Javascript does.
> >
> > Wait until you get to PHP's automatic casting of strings to numbers under
> > the proper conditions. You'll scratch your head for quite a while once
> > you hit that one.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --
> > Paul M. Foster
> > http://noferblatz.com
> >
> >
> or the ($needle, $haystack) vs ($haystack, $needle)... i still get it
> screwed up... thankfully php.net/{function_name} is easy to use :P
>
Oh hell yeah! I know there's a rule about it. I just don't know what it
is.
Paul
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Re: [PHP] First PHP job
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Steve Staples wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 16:21 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:02:51PM -0600, Donovan Brooke wrote:
> >
> > > Hello!, .. will try to keep this short!
> > > I've been a long time lurker but minimal poster. I made it a new years
> > > resolution to finally take on PHP jobs and now have my first one (with
> a
> > > completion date in a couple weeks!).
> > >
> > > I've been scripting in another language for many years and do know a
> > > thing or two.. but anticipate bothering the list a few times in the
> near
> > > future... hope that is fine with you all.
> > >
> > > I'm just about through Larry Ullman's "PHP" third edition that I
> started
> > > a couple days ago. Good book to start with I think, even for folks who
> > > have some kind of head start in Web Programming. I'm able to skim over
> > > a lot of it.
> > >
> > > I don't know how you all remain sane in dealing with quotes workarounds
> > > in echo/print statements, having to open/close PHP parsing using > > ?> all the time, and having to deal with array's for just about
> > > everything... but I'm sure I'll get used to it and it will become
> second
> > > nature at some point. ;-)
> >
> > That stuff's easy. I'm still trying to wrap my wits around the crazy way
> > functions are handled in Javascript. I know of no other language which
> > treats functions the way Javascript does.
> >
> > Wait until you get to PHP's automatic casting of strings to numbers under
> > the proper conditions. You'll scratch your head for quite a while once
> > you hit that one.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --
> > Paul M. Foster
> > http://noferblatz.com
> >
> >
> or the ($needle, $haystack) vs ($haystack, $needle)... i still get it
> screwed up... thankfully php.net/{function_name} is easy to use :P
php --rf
is also pretty handy.
-nathan
