Re: [PHP] Re: strtotime

2010-10-18 Thread Richard Quadling
On 17 October 2010 20:34, John Taylor-Johnston
 wrote:
> Yaay, I'm 45 now :).

Happy Birthday. ;-)
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[PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Shreyas Agasthya
Team,

A bit of silly one but like my book says, there are no dumb questions, I am
asking it here.

If I have :

$other="Whatever";

and I do:

echo 'Other Comments:' .$other. '

works perfectly well and prints the value. What if I want to, now, italicize
the value of $other with the above syntax? How do I achieve it?

I know we can do it this way : echo " I am $other"; but I want to
learn how to do it with the above syntax like I mentioned earlier.

Regards,
Shreyas Agasthya


RE: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Ford, Mike
> -Original Message-
> From: Shreyas Agasthya [mailto:shreya...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 18 October 2010 11:10
> 
> A bit of silly one but like my book says, there are no dumb
> questions, I am
> asking it here.
> 
> If I have :
> 
> $other="Whatever";
> 
> and I do:
> 
> echo 'Other Comments:' .$other. '
> 
> works perfectly well and prints the value. What if I want to, now,
> italicize
> the value of $other with the above syntax? How do I achieve it?

   echo 'Other Comments:' .$other. '

Cheers!

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RE: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Tommy Pham
> -Original Message-
> From: Shreyas Agasthya [mailto:shreya...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 3:10 AM
> To: PHP General List
> Subject: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.
> 
> Team,
> 
> A bit of silly one but like my book says, there are no dumb questions, I
am
> asking it here.
> 
> If I have :
> 
> $other="Whatever";
> 
> and I do:
> 
> echo 'Other Comments:' .$other. '


echo 'Other Comments:' .$other. '';

> 
> works perfectly well and prints the value. What if I want to, now,
italicize
> the value of $other with the above syntax? How do I achieve it?
> 
> I know we can do it this way : echo " I am $other"; but I want to
learn
> how to do it with the above syntax like I mentioned earlier.
> 
> Regards,
> Shreyas Agasthya


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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 03:40:03PM +0530, Shreyas Agasthya wrote:

> Team,
> 
> A bit of silly one but like my book says, there are no dumb questions, I am
> asking it here.
> 
> If I have :
> 
> $other="Whatever";
> 
> and I do:
> 
> echo 'Other Comments:' .$other. '
> 
> works perfectly well and prints the value. What if I want to, now, italicize
> the value of $other with the above syntax? How do I achieve it?
> 
> I know we can do it this way : echo " I am $other"; but I want to
> learn how to do it with the above syntax like I mentioned earlier.

No, there's no other way to do it. You're outputting to HTML, and if you
want to have the HTML output italicized, you must surround the term with
the proper code. And in this case, the proper code is actually '',
not ''. The '' code is being deprecated.

Paul

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Re: [PHP] Re: Zip files: generate text file in archive on the fly

2010-10-18 Thread Steve Staples
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 17:22 -0700, Justin Martin wrote:
> On 10-10-17 03:55 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > I need to provide a download of a zip archive containing three files.
> > This is fairly straightforward in PHP so long as one is working with
> > files that already exist. However, I need to customise one of the
> > files (a simple text file) with the user name and other info before
> > zipping. I see no mention of this in the fine manual, and even
> > googling has led me nowhere. Ideas? Am I missing something obvious?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> 
> The solution to this seems to be as simple as grabbing the contents of 
> the file using ZipArchive::getFromName (or equivalent), deleting that 
> file in the archive, modifying the contents, then writing the file using 
> ZipArchive::addFromString.
> 
> Were ZipArchive::getStream able to handle write operations, I imagine 
> you could modify it this way, but reading the file in for modification 
> is much less issue-laden.
> 
> I haven't tested it, but you could also simply try using 
> ZipArchive::addFromString without deleting the file first. It may just 
> overwrite the file.
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin Martin
> 

I ran into this issue with something similar, where i wanted to unzip a
file from file_get_contents(), but it required a "real file"... the
solution (copied from this the reply on here)

On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 10:12 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote:
> Might see if this page will glean you any information
> http://us3.php.net/manual/en/wrappers.php.php
>
> I think the php://temp or php://memory will work for you instead of a
> file on the file system. 

maybe this will help you create a "temp file" in memory taht you can add
to the zip file.

Hope that helps :)

Steve


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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Steve Staples
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 09:25 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 03:40:03PM +0530, Shreyas Agasthya wrote:
> 
> > Team,
> > 
> > A bit of silly one but like my book says, there are no dumb questions, I am
> > asking it here.
> > 
> > If I have :
> > 
> > $other="Whatever";
> > 
> > and I do:
> > 
> > echo 'Other Comments:' .$other. '
> > 
> > works perfectly well and prints the value. What if I want to, now, italicize
> > the value of $other with the above syntax? How do I achieve it?
> > 
> > I know we can do it this way : echo " I am $other"; but I want to
> > learn how to do it with the above syntax like I mentioned earlier.
> 
> No, there's no other way to do it. You're outputting to HTML, and if you
> want to have the HTML output italicized, you must surround the term with
> the proper code. And in this case, the proper code is actually '',
> not ''. The '' code is being deprecated.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -- 
> Paul M. Foster
> 

Another option: 

echo 'Other Comments: '.
$other .'';

or create a style sheet, with a class definition for italic.

Steve.


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[PHP] mytr...@mail.us auto responder

2010-10-18 Thread Steve Staples
I think I recall seeing a post about this earlier, but can this PLEASE
get removed, or use an email account that doesn't require me to be
friends with you??

Granted, a simple reply would get rid of it, but why use an account that
requires authorization in the first place?


-- english ---

Confirmation is required to send your message to mytr...@mail.ua


My antispam system detected your message as possible SPAM,
because your address is not listed in my address book ("white list").

To confirm that your message is not a spam, please open the following
link:
http://www.mytrash.mail.ua/confirm/1287409388.H34971P12680.mx.mail.ua

After that your address will be automatically added into
my address book and you will be able to send me messages from
"Steve Staples"  without any additional checks.

You can also use my personal webpage and send me a message anytime:
http://www.mytrash.mail.ua.

Thank you,
sender owner mytr...@mail.ua



sorry if I am coming across rude or anything.


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[PHP] work online

2010-10-18 Thread Jordan Jovanov

Hello Everybody,


Does somebody know company for PHP programing where people can work from 
home? Actual I only want to know does have regular or part time job for 
PHP developers who work from home via internet.


Thanks a lot.

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RE: [PHP] mytr...@mail.us auto responder

2010-10-18 Thread Tommy Pham
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Staples [mailto:sstap...@mnsi.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:59 AM
> To: php-general
> Subject: [PHP] mytr...@mail.us auto responder
> 
> I think I recall seeing a post about this earlier, but can this PLEASE get
> removed, or use an email account that doesn't require me to be friends with
> you??
> 
> Granted, a simple reply would get rid of it, but why use an account that
> requires authorization in the first place?
> 
> 
> -- english ---
> 
> Confirmation is required to send your message to mytr...@mail.ua
> 
> 
> My antispam system detected your message as possible SPAM, because
> your address is not listed in my address book ("white list").
> 
> To confirm that your message is not a spam, please open the following
> link:
> http://www.mytrash.mail.ua/confirm/1287409388.H34971P12680.mx.mail.u
> a
> 
> After that your address will be automatically added into my address book
> and you will be able to send me messages from "Steve Staples"
>  without any additional checks.
> 
> You can also use my personal webpage and send me a message anytime:
> http://www.mytrash.mail.ua.
> 
> Thank you,
> sender owner mytr...@mail.ua
> 
> 
> 
> sorry if I am coming across rude or anything.
> 

I don't think you do.  Moreover, I think it's a scam to try to get your e-mail 
address upon reply so they can then spam you since it's a 'confirmed e-mail 
address' ... >.>  I honestly think this address should just be removed from the 
list, IMHO.

Regards,
Tommy


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RE: [PHP] Questions from a Newbie

2010-10-18 Thread Tommy Pham
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul M Foster [mailto:pa...@quillandmouse.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:46 PM
> To: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Questions from a Newbie
> 
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 01:00:44AM -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> > Dear List -
> >
> > Here are some questions, which I am sure are trivial, but I am a
> > newbie, and cannot find the answers online
> >
> > I cannot get the following to work.  In my Firefox [Iceweasel]
> > browser, I enter the following URL: [w/ the http]
> >
> >  localhost/CreateNew.php All I get is a blank browser screen.
> >
> > The code  contained in the file CreateNew.php is:
> >
> > /*
> >  *  Create Database test22
> >  */
> >  
> >  > $cxn = mysqli_connect("$host",$user,$password);
> > echo"Create database test22;"
> > echo"Create table Names2
> 
> There's no need to quote $host above. Why your echo statements aren't
> showing up possibly indicates the script is aborting before it gets to
them.
> 
> In situations like this, check the error logs if possible. If not, break
the
> problem down into even smaller chunks. Do your connect with MySQL and
> then test to see if the connection actually worked. According to the docs,
> mysqli_connect() should return an object representing the connection. So
> check that first:
> 
> if (!is_object($cxn))
>   echo "Not connected!";
> else
>   echo "Yep, it connected!";
> 
> > (
> > RecordNum Int(11) Primary Key Not null default=1
> auto_increment,
> > FirstName varchar(10),
> > LastName varchar(10),
> > Height  decimal(4,1),
> > Weight0 decimal(4,1),
> > BMI decimal(3,1)
> > Date0 date
> > );"
> >
> 
> As has been mentioned, you're simply echoing these to the page, not
> sending them to MySQL. That won't work. You have to feed your SQL
> statements to the mysqli_query() function. See the docs.
> 
> Also, let me strongly advise you against using upper-and-lower-case field
> names in your tables. Others will undoubtedly disagree, but I find this a
> maintenance nightmare in the long run. Note that in some SQL variants
> (maybe in MySQL as well; I don't recall), you must quote the field names
in
> queries to preserve their case and make the queries work.
> 
> > echo"   Create table Visit2
> > (
> > Indx Int(7) Primary Key Not null auto_increment,
> > Weight decimal(4,1) not null,
> > StudyDate date not null,
> > RecordNum Int(11)
> > );"
> >
> > $sql= "SHOW DATABASES";
> 
> As mentioned elsewhere, this statement won't work in a web context. It
> only works from the MySQL console interface. There are other ways to
> achieve this in a programming context, but they involve querying the MySQL
> meta-tables.
> 
> Also, to those recommending PHPMyAdmin, it ignores the OP's question,
> and doesn't help him/her learn anything. It is completely possible to do
> what he wants programmatically, and often is done that way while
installing
> various frameworks, etc. *You're* welcome to use PHPMyAdmin, but let the
> OP do it his/her way, and help them along if you can.
> 
> Paul
> 
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> 

I recommended phpMyAdmin because I thought that he wanted to manage the
database using PHP.  Anyway, he lacked the fundamental understanding of PHP
and wanted to get into more advanced stuff.  As for what he intends in OP,
the statements will work provided that the MySQL account has the proper
privileges to do so and if the MySQL server is configured with 'show
databases' enabled.  Either case, he won't know for sure if those statements
executed correctly unless he understood the PHP fundamentals and use
conditions to check the results of each individual statement execution.
That's why I recommended him to read the manual from the beginning to get
the fundamentals because reading that MySQL section in the manual was too
much for him.

Regards,
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RE: [PHP] mytr...@mail.us auto responder

2010-10-18 Thread Ethan Rosenberg

At 12:07 PM 10/18/2010, Tommy Pham wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Staples [mailto:sstap...@mnsi.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:59 AM
> To: php-general
> Subject: [PHP] mytr...@mail.us auto responder
>
> I think I recall seeing a post about this earlier, but can this PLEASE get
> removed, or use an email account that doesn't require me to be friends with
> you??
>
> Granted, a simple reply would get rid of it, but why use an account that
> requires authorization in the first place?
>
> 
> -- english ---
>
> Confirmation is required to send your message to mytr...@mail.ua
>
>
> My antispam system detected your message as possible SPAM, because
> your address is not listed in my address book ("white list").
>
> To confirm that your message is not a spam, please open the following
> link:
> http://www.mytrash.mail.ua/confirm/1287409388.H34971P12680.mx.mail.u
> a
>
> After that your address will be automatically added into my address book
> and you will be able to send me messages from "Steve Staples"
>  without any additional checks.
>
> You can also use my personal webpage and send me a message anytime:
> http://www.mytrash.mail.ua.
>
> Thank you,
> sender owner mytr...@mail.ua
> 
>
>
> sorry if I am coming across rude or anything.
>

I don't think you do.  Moreover, I think it's a scam to try to get 
your e-mail address upon reply so they can then spam you since it's 
a 'confirmed e-mail address' ... >.>  I honestly think this address 
should just be removed from the list, IMHO.


Regards,
Tommy


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Dear List -

Address confirmation is a commonly used to prevent Spam, since 
spammers use false email addressed. I would like to remind you that 
this is used by this mail list and  I do the same as do may 
companies.  If I choose not to read the email, I delete the email and 
the address.  I also have the option to not add the book sender to my 
address book.  The Spam filter I use is provided by earthlink and 
similar filters are used by most ISPs.


I hope  this clarifies the issue.

Ethan



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Re: [PHP] mytr...@mail.us auto responder

2010-10-18 Thread Daniel P. Brown
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:07, Tommy Pham  wrote:
>
> I don't think you do.  Moreover, I think it's a scam to try to get your 
> e-mail address upon reply so they can then spam you since it's a 'confirmed 
> e-mail address' ... >.>  I honestly think this address should just be removed 
> from the list, IMHO.

I said I would.  I just haven't gotten the chance to do so yet.

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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread tedd

At 9:47 AM -0400 10/18/10, Steve Staples wrote:

or create a style sheet, with a class definition for italic.

Steve.



+1

The "best practices" way to do it.

Don't style output in an echo statement, but rather put styling in a 
css sheet, It's much cleaner there.


Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] work online

2010-10-18 Thread tedd

At 4:40 PM +0200 10/18/10, Jordan Jovanov wrote:

Hello Everybody,


Does somebody know company for PHP programing where people can work 
from home? Actual I only want to know does have regular or part time 
job for PHP developers who work from home via internet.


Thanks a lot.


All of my work is on-line from home.

How do I get work? After years of doing web work, it now comes to me.

Cheers,

tedd

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Re: [PHP] work online

2010-10-18 Thread Govinda

At 4:40 PM +0200 10/18/10, Jordan Jovanov wrote:

Hello Everybody,


Does somebody know company for PHP programing where people can work  
from home? Actual I only want to know does have regular or part  
time job for PHP developers who work from home via internet.


Thanks a lot.


All of my work is on-line from home.

How do I get work? After years of doing web work, it now comes to me.

Cheers,

tedd



Jordan, my experience is like Tedd's.
I am new in PHP too.. but the web work which I am not new in comes to  
me.. because of relationships built on trust and good results.
Just aim to serve someone(s) who need(s) whatever you can do .. and  
keep on trying to actually produce something they actually need..
Let money be the secondary+ consideration.  That kind of service  
orientation to "work"  opens all the doors.



Govinda
govinda(DOT)webdnatalk(AT)gmail(DOT)com






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RE: [PHP] mytr...@mail.us auto responder

2010-10-18 Thread Tommy Pham
> -Original Message-
> From: Ethan Rosenberg [mailto:eth...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 9:40 AM
> To: Tommy Pham; sstap...@mnsi.net; 'php-general'
> Subject: RE: [PHP] mytr...@mail.us auto responder
> 
> At 12:07 PM 10/18/2010, Tommy Pham wrote:
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Steve Staples [mailto:sstap...@mnsi.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:59 AM
> > > To: php-general
> > > Subject: [PHP] mytr...@mail.us auto responder
> > >
> > > I think I recall seeing a post about this earlier, but can this
> > > PLEASE get removed, or use an email account that doesn't require me
> > > to be friends with you??
> > >
> > > Granted, a simple reply would get rid of it, but why use an account
> > > that requires authorization in the first place?
> > >
> > > 
> > > -- english ---
> > >
> > > Confirmation is required to send your message to mytr...@mail.ua
> > >
> > >
> > > My antispam system detected your message as possible SPAM, because
> > > your address is not listed in my address book ("white list").
> > >
> > > To confirm that your message is not a spam, please open the
> > > following
> > > link:
> > >
> http://www.mytrash.mail.ua/confirm/1287409388.H34971P12680.mx.mail.u
> > > a
> > >
> > > After that your address will be automatically added into my address
> > > book and you will be able to send me messages from "Steve Staples"
> > >  without any additional checks.
> > >
> > > You can also use my personal webpage and send me a message anytime:
> > > http://www.mytrash.mail.ua.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > sender owner mytr...@mail.ua
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > > sorry if I am coming across rude or anything.
> > >
> >
> >I don't think you do.  Moreover, I think it's a scam to try to get your
> >e-mail address upon reply so they can then spam you since it's a
> >'confirmed e-mail address' ... >.>  I honestly think this address
> >should just be removed from the list, IMHO.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Tommy
> >
> >
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> >http://www.php.net/unsub.php
> 
> 
> Dear List -
> 
> Address confirmation is a commonly used to prevent Spam, since spammers
> use false email addressed. I would like to remind you that this is used by
> this mail list and  I do the same as do may companies.  If I choose not to
read
> the email, I delete the email and the address.  I also have the option to
not
> add the book sender to my address book.  The Spam filter I use is provided
> by earthlink and similar filters are used by most ISPs.
> 
> I hope  this clarifies the issue.
> 
> Ethan
> 

I know spammers use false e-mail address but it's the question of how they
get your validated email address :)

Regards,
Tommy


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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread tedd

At 6:03 PM +0100 10/18/10, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:
There's nothing wrong with using  as it indicates emphasised 
text, which is semantic. Use span tags with classes only when the 
content you're styling has no semantic alternative.


important message is much better for machines 
(including search engines, screen readers, etc) to infer a meaning 
for than

important message

Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk


While using the em tag as you describe will certainly work, but what 
happens when the designer wants to change the style of an em tag to 
something else and doesn't want the output from your code to change?


I have found it better to leave styling to the designer.

One can compromise by using a class such as "class=warning" or 
"class=output" and then addressing the style of the output in a style 
sheet. Such as:


echo("span class='warning'>$output");

Now, you do have a point regarding SE, where some SE's look to the em 
and strong tags to determine word weight in ranking, but therein also 
lies a problem. What if the client doesn't want the output from code 
to be considered in SE's? After all, if output is static, then why 
code it? If it is variable, then that will cause your ranking to 
change. Sounds like disaster to me.


My choice to is to leave the styling, SE, screen readers, and other 
such concerns to those who know more than I do. Just give me a style 
class and let me work on the code.


Cheers,

tedd

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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:28 PM, tedd  wrote:
> At 6:03 PM +0100 10/18/10, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with using  as it indicates emphasised text,
>> which is semantic. Use span tags with classes only when the content you're
>> styling has no semantic alternative.
>>
>> important message is much better for machines (including
>> search engines, screen readers, etc) to infer a meaning for than
>> important message
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ash
>> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>
> While using the em tag as you describe will certainly work, but what happens
> when the designer wants to change the style of an em tag to something else
> and doesn't want the output from your code to change?
>
> I have found it better to leave styling to the designer.
>

That is the exactly the intended purpose of the  and
 tags: they simply indicate semantically that the
enclosed text is either emphasized or strong (or, if nested, the text
would be strongly emphasized? ;-) ), and it is up to CSS to define
what that should look like. The appearance can easily change at any
time without changing the HTML itself, just as you suggest.

While the same is technically true of italic and bold,
those tags by definition imply a specific way to render the content
that they contain, which makes a real confusion in cases such as text.

Andrew

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Re: [PHP] work online

2010-10-18 Thread Matt M.
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 13:03 -0400, Govinda wrote:
> > At 4:40 PM +0200 10/18/10, Jordan Jovanov wrote:
> >> Hello Everybody,
> >>
> >>
> >> Does somebody know company for PHP programing where people can work  
> >> from home? Actual I only want to know does have regular or part  
> >> time job for PHP developers who work from home via internet.
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot.
> >
> > All of my work is on-line from home.
> >
> > How do I get work? After years of doing web work, it now comes to me.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > tedd
> 
> 
> Jordan, my experience is like Tedd's.
> I am new in PHP too.. but the web work which I am not new in comes to  
> me.. because of relationships built on trust and good results.
> Just aim to serve someone(s) who need(s) whatever you can do .. and  
> keep on trying to actually produce something they actually need..
> Let money be the secondary+ consideration.  That kind of service  
> orientation to "work"  opens all the doors.
> 
> 
> Govinda
> govinda(DOT)webdnatalk(AT)gmail(DOT)com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

While I don't code PHP for a living, I do repair PCs and maintain
servers. And it's the same thing - work just comes to me based on
relationships and referrals. Sometimes you have to lose a little in
order to gain later down the road. For example, I will sometimes do
basic work for little or nothing, depending on the situation, for people
who have never come to me before, and later they will refer a lot of
other people. And most people are willing to pay anyway, even if you
offer something for free, because theyre getting out cheaper than using
a named establishment.


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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Shreyas Agasthya
Thanks all for their input. Some of the learnings  from the thread :

1.  tag is getting deprecated.
2. Use  and 
3. Have CSS used to do the kind of stuff I was trying. I must inform, this
was already in place.
4. Keep an eye on the SE monster.

Regards,
Shreyas

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Andrew Ballard  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:28 PM, tedd  wrote:
> > At 6:03 PM +0100 10/18/10, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:
> >>
> >> There's nothing wrong with using  as it indicates emphasised text,
> >> which is semantic. Use span tags with classes only when the content
> you're
> >> styling has no semantic alternative.
> >>
> >> important message is much better for machines
> (including
> >> search engines, screen readers, etc) to infer a meaning for than
> >> important message
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ash
> >> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
> >
> > While using the em tag as you describe will certainly work, but what
> happens
> > when the designer wants to change the style of an em tag to something
> else
> > and doesn't want the output from your code to change?
> >
> > I have found it better to leave styling to the designer.
> >
>
> That is the exactly the intended purpose of the  and
>  tags: they simply indicate semantically that the
> enclosed text is either emphasized or strong (or, if nested, the text
> would be strongly emphasized? ;-) ), and it is up to CSS to define
> what that should look like. The appearance can easily change at any
> time without changing the HTML itself, just as you suggest.
>
> While the same is technically true of italic and bold,
> those tags by definition imply a specific way to render the content
> that they contain, which makes a real confusion in cases such as  style="font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;">text.
>
> Andrew
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[PHP] PDO working via Apache but not at the command line?

2010-10-18 Thread Scott Baker
I have the following very simple script that uses PDO/FreeTDS to connect 
to a mssql server. I have PHP Version 5.3.3 running on Linux under 
Apache. When I view this script via apache/firefox I get proper output.


If I try and run this via the command line like "php db_dump.php" I get 
an error connecting to the DB:


Unable to connect to Omnia: SQLSTATE[HY000] Unable to connect: Adaptive 
Server is unavailable or does not exist (severity 9). Does Apache call 
PHP differently than the cli would? Why would Apache method work find, 
but direct from the command line cause a problem? Do I need to call php 
from the cli with some other argument?


--


$num || $num = 197804;

$dbh = omnia_connect();
$sql = "EXECUTE P_SaaS_AccountServiceFeatures_Retrieve $num";
$sth = $dbh->prepare($sql);
$sth->execute();

$foo = $sth->fetchAll(PDO::FETCH_ASSOC);

foreach ($foo as $i) {
if ($i['ItemStatus'] != 'I') {
$out .= $i['Component'] . "\n";
}
}

print $out;



function omnia_connect() {
putenv('FREETDSCONF=/etc/freetds.conf');
$db = "DB_NAME";
$user = "user";
$pass = "pass";

$dsn = "dblib:host=Omnia;dbname=$db";

try {
$dbh = new PDO($dsn, $user, $pass);
} catch (PDOException $e) {
echo 'Unable to connect to Omnia: ' . $e->getMessage();
exit;
}

return $dbh;
}

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Re: [PHP] Error message not understood

2010-10-18 Thread sueandant
I'm running PHP as module with Apache.   The version I downloaded was your 
[1], tho it wa version 5.2.14.   When I downloaded and unzipped the files I 
had already installed MySql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.51 for Win32(ia32).


Thanks for the help.

tholland
- Original Message - 
From: "Tommy Pham" 

To: "'sueandant'" 
Cc: "'PHP'" 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:49 PM
Subject: RE: [PHP] Error message not understood



-Original Message-
From: sueandant [mailto:hollandsath...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 2:23 PM
To: Tommy Pham
Cc: PHP
Subject: Re: [PHP] Error message not understood

Apologies!   Vista Home Premium 32bit with SP2.   I uninstalled it using
Windows' uninstaller.   I didn't compile any of the packages.   MySQL was
installed using the .msi download and PHP I simply unzipped to my C:\PHP
folder.   And, yes, they both came from the official sites.



Forgot to mention something, please don't top post.  It makes hard for
others to follow the thread.

Are you running PHP with IIS or Apache?  If with Apache how are you 
running

PHP as, CGI or module?  Since you're using official distributions, you'll
have to use PHP VC6 TS build (if not using as CGI/FastCGI) for Apache [1].
If you're running PHP with IIS, you'll have to run NTS build for FastCGI
[2].

[1] http://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-5.3.3-Win32-VC6-x86.zip
[2]
http://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-5.3.3-nts-Win32-VC9-x86.zip


- Original Message -
From: "Tommy Pham" 
To: "'sueandant'" ; "'Luigi Pressello'"

Cc: "'PHP'" 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject: RE: [PHP] Error message not understood


>> -Original Message-
>> From: sueandant [mailto:hollandsath...@tiscali.co.uk]
>> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 1:16 PM
>> To: Luigi Pressello
>> Cc: PHP
>> Subject: Re: [PHP] Error message not understood
>>
>> I've run both programs. [1] outputs Client library version 5.1.51, but
>> [2]
>> gives no output.   However I have checked MySql status via the command
>> prompt which tells me mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.51 for Win32(ia32).
>
> You still haven't answer the question of what platform? FreeBSD? Linux?
> Mac?
> Windows?  And what is the platform version?
>
>>
>> I originally installed PHP 5.3 but I couldn't get it to communicate

with

> mysqli
>> (and I tried everything!) so I unstalled it and replaced it with
>
> How did you uninstall?  Using the OS's software/package manager such
> package
> on FreeBSD, yast on some Linux, add/remove programs on Windows, etc.?
Did
> you compile any of it - MySQL or PHP - yourself?
>
>> version 5.2.14.   PHP info tells me this that the Client API library
> version
>> is 5.1.51 and the header version is 5.0.51a.
>
> This just means that there's a mismatch within the PHP.  If you 
> compiled

> from source for any of it, PHP's MySQL & MySQLi extensions depends on
the
> MySQL headers and client library.  Thus, MySQL client has to be 
> compiled

> first before you can compile the PHP's MySQL/MySQLi extensions.  This
> applies to all platforms if you're doing your compilation from source.

If

> you didn't compile any of it - both MySQL and PHP - then the problem

lies

> within your OS's software/package manager.  Without knowing what
you're
> using, we can't really tell what happens.  Some Linux distributions do
> things differently.  I'm not well versed in Linux but many others here

on

> this list can help you with it.  I suggest you 'uninstall' both PHP &
> MySQL.
> Then reinstall MySQL 1st and PHP 2nd.  Also, just a bit curious... 
> where

> did
> you get the MySQL & PHP?  I hope directly from the official source... 
> ;)

>
>>
>> Does this help identify a solution?
>>
>> Thanks and best wishes
>>
>> tholland
>
> 
>
> Regards,
> Tommy
>
>
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Re: [PHP] PDO working via Apache but not at the command line?

2010-10-18 Thread a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk
It's most likely because both cli and web modules are using different php.ini 
config files. See what the output of a phpinfo() call in both browser and 
command line.

Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk

- Reply message -
From: "Scott Baker" 
Date: Mon, Oct 18, 2010 21:20
Subject: [PHP] PDO working via Apache but not at the command line?
To: , 

I have the following very simple script that uses PDO/FreeTDS to connect 
to a mssql server. I have PHP Version 5.3.3 running on Linux under 
Apache. When I view this script via apache/firefox I get proper output.

If I try and run this via the command line like "php db_dump.php" I get 
an error connecting to the DB:

Unable to connect to Omnia: SQLSTATE[HY000] Unable to connect: Adaptive 
Server is unavailable or does not exist (severity 9). Does Apache call 
PHP differently than the cli would? Why would Apache method work find, 
but direct from the command line cause a problem? Do I need to call php 
from the cli with some other argument?

--


$num || $num = 197804;

$dbh = omnia_connect();
$sql = "EXECUTE P_SaaS_AccountServiceFeatures_Retrieve $num";
$sth = $dbh->prepare($sql);
$sth->execute();

$foo = $sth->fetchAll(PDO::FETCH_ASSOC);

foreach ($foo as $i) {
 if ($i['ItemStatus'] != 'I') {
 $out .= $i['Component'] . "\n";
 }
}

print $out;



function omnia_connect() {
 putenv('FREETDSCONF=/etc/freetds.conf');
 $db = "DB_NAME";
 $user = "user";
 $pass = "pass";

 $dsn = "dblib:host=Omnia;dbname=$db";

 try {
 $dbh = new PDO($dsn, $user, $pass);
 } catch (PDOException $e) {
 echo 'Unable to connect to Omnia: ' . $e->getMessage();
 exit;
 }

 return $dbh;
}

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Re: [PHP] PDO working via Apache but not at the command line?

2010-10-18 Thread Scott Baker

On 10/18/2010 02:17 PM, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:

It's most likely because both cli and web modules are using different
php.ini config files. See what the output of a phpinfo() call in both
browser and command line.


I didn't even think about it parsing different php.ini files. Checking 
the output of phpinfo() I see it's calling the same php.ini 
(/usr/local/lib/php.ini) though. :(


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RE: [PHP] Error message not understood

2010-10-18 Thread Tommy Pham
> -Original Message-
> From: sueandant [mailto:hollandsath...@tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:52 PM
> To: Tommy Pham
> Cc: 'PHP'
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Error message not understood
> 
> I'm running PHP as module with Apache.   The version I downloaded was
> your
> [1], tho it wa version 5.2.14.   When I downloaded and unzipped the files
I
> had already installed MySql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.51 for Win32(ia32).
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> tholland

Huh?  If you downloaded the current version 5.3.3 of PHP.  It should read
this for MySQL & MySQLi extenstions in phpinfo(); :
Client API version  mysqlnd 5.0.7-dev - 091210 - $Revision: 300533 $

And you shouldn't have problems accessing MySQL 5.1.

Regards,
Tommy

> - Original Message -
> From: "Tommy Pham" 
> To: "'sueandant'" 
> Cc: "'PHP'" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [PHP] Error message not understood
> 
> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: sueandant [mailto:hollandsath...@tiscali.co.uk]
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 2:23 PM
> >> To: Tommy Pham
> >> Cc: PHP
> >> Subject: Re: [PHP] Error message not understood
> >>
> >> Apologies!   Vista Home Premium 32bit with SP2.   I uninstalled it
using
> >> Windows' uninstaller.   I didn't compile any of the packages.   MySQL
was
> >> installed using the .msi download and PHP I simply unzipped to my
> C:\PHP
> >> folder.   And, yes, they both came from the official sites.
> >>
> >
> > Forgot to mention something, please don't top post.  It makes hard for
> > others to follow the thread.
> >
> > Are you running PHP with IIS or Apache?  If with Apache how are you
> > running
> > PHP as, CGI or module?  Since you're using official distributions,
you'll
> > have to use PHP VC6 TS build (if not using as CGI/FastCGI) for Apache
[1].
> > If you're running PHP with IIS, you'll have to run NTS build for FastCGI
> > [2].
> >
> > [1] http://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-5.3.3-Win32-VC6-
> x86.zip
> > [2]
> > http://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-5.3.3-nts-Win32-VC9-
> x86.zip
> >
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Tommy Pham" 
> >> To: "'sueandant'" ; "'Luigi Pressello'"
> >> 
> >> Cc: "'PHP'" 
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:38 PM
> >> Subject: RE: [PHP] Error message not understood
> >>
> >>
> >> >> -Original Message-
> >> >> From: sueandant [mailto:hollandsath...@tiscali.co.uk]
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 1:16 PM
> >> >> To: Luigi Pressello
> >> >> Cc: PHP
> >> >> Subject: Re: [PHP] Error message not understood
> >> >>
> >> >> I've run both programs. [1] outputs Client library version 5.1.51,
but
> >> >> [2]
> >> >> gives no output.   However I have checked MySql status via the
> command
> >> >> prompt which tells me mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.51 for
Win32(ia32).
> >> >
> >> > You still haven't answer the question of what platform? FreeBSD?
> Linux?
> >> > Mac?
> >> > Windows?  And what is the platform version?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I originally installed PHP 5.3 but I couldn't get it to communicate
> > with
> >> > mysqli
> >> >> (and I tried everything!) so I unstalled it and replaced it with
> >> >
> >> > How did you uninstall?  Using the OS's software/package manager such
> >> > package
> >> > on FreeBSD, yast on some Linux, add/remove programs on Windows,
> etc.?
> >> Did
> >> > you compile any of it - MySQL or PHP - yourself?
> >> >
> >> >> version 5.2.14.   PHP info tells me this that the Client API library
> >> > version
> >> >> is 5.1.51 and the header version is 5.0.51a.
> >> >
> >> > This just means that there's a mismatch within the PHP.  If you
> >> > compiled
> >> > from source for any of it, PHP's MySQL & MySQLi extensions depends on
> >> the
> >> > MySQL headers and client library.  Thus, MySQL client has to be
> >> > compiled
> >> > first before you can compile the PHP's MySQL/MySQLi extensions.  This
> >> > applies to all platforms if you're doing your compilation from
source.
> > If
> >> > you didn't compile any of it - both MySQL and PHP - then the problem
> > lies
> >> > within your OS's software/package manager.  Without knowing what
> >> you're
> >> > using, we can't really tell what happens.  Some Linux distributions
do
> >> > things differently.  I'm not well versed in Linux but many others
here
> > on
> >> > this list can help you with it.  I suggest you 'uninstall' both PHP &
> >> > MySQL.
> >> > Then reinstall MySQL 1st and PHP 2nd.  Also, just a bit curious...
> >> > where
> >> > did
> >> > you get the MySQL & PHP?  I hope directly from the official source...
> >> > ;)
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Does this help identify a solution?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks and best wishes
> >> >>
> >> >> tholland
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Tommy
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [PHP] work online

2010-10-18 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Jordan Jovanov  wrote:

Hi,

> Does somebody know company for PHP programing where people can
> work from home? Actual I only want to know does have regular or
> part time job for PHP developers who work from home via internet.

I'm not just php programmer (more software architect and 
systems integrator). Pure sw-development projects are mostly
remote, integration often onsite.


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RE: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread admin
I ask as you look at the comments and replies to your post, you think long
term. 
Today you want the italic option, tomorrow you want to change the display to
something else.  Now you have to go back and change ever place you set the
italic symbols to make your change. 

BUT if you use styles you can not only change the display to the desired
look in one location but you can have flexibility.

Example:

Let's say the comments are coming from a database and you want to display
the comment differently based on the contents of the comment.

In my example I have 3 different classes in the style. Now as I foreach over
the fake data array example, I simply pick the style to use based on each
matching criteria. While the static examples


#wever_comment{font-style:italic}
#good_comment{font-style:italic; color: green;}
#bad_comment{font-weight:bold; color: red;}


$variable_from_database = array('good','bad','whatever');
Foreach($variable as $key)
{
Echo 'Other Comments:';
If(preg_match("/bad/i",'$key')){Echo '$key';}
If(preg_match("/good/i",'$key')){Echo '$key';}
If(preg_match("/whatever/i",'$key')){Echo '$key';}
Echo '';
}

In the long term the flexibility allows you to make faster changes with a
higher degree, of what I like to call "smarter code". Yes the filters are
static, and I would not use static filters personally. It is meant as an
explanation, not a how to.











-Original Message-
From: Shreyas Agasthya [mailto:shreya...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:10 AM
To: PHP General List
Subject: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

Team,

A bit of silly one but like my book says, there are no dumb questions, I am
asking it here.

If I have :

$other="Whatever";

and I do:

echo 'Other Comments:' .$other. '

works perfectly well and prints the value. What if I want to, now, italicize
the value of $other with the above syntax? How do I achieve it?

I know we can do it this way : echo " I am $other"; but I want to
learn how to do it with the above syntax like I mentioned earlier.

Regards,
Shreyas Agasthya


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[PHP] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP] PDO working via Apache but not at the command line?

2010-10-18 Thread Wez Furlong

Things to check:

- Environment: what env vars are set or not set in your Apache vs. CLI
- Owner: are you running as the same user as your web server?
- Do you or the web server have some kind of "rc" file that might  
impact how things run?


Suggestion:

Use "sudo -u webserverusername -s" to run a shell as your web server  
user, then try to run the CLI.


Get the environment to match up with your webserver.

If this still doesn't work, it might be something more esoteric; check  
to see if you have other apache modules loaded that might also use  
FreeTDS or ODBC and that might be messing with things.


Use "strace php db-dump.php" to see what the CLI is up to.
Use "strace -p " to see what the Apache version is up to  
(probably want to run apache -X to make this easier).


--Wez.

On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:26 PM, Scott Baker wrote:


On 10/18/2010 02:17 PM, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:

It's most likely because both cli and web modules are using different
php.ini config files. See what the output of a phpinfo() call in both
browser and command line.


I didn't even think about it parsing different php.ini files.  
Checking the output of phpinfo() I see it's calling the same php.ini  
(/usr/local/lib/php.ini) though. :(



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[PHP] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP] PDO working via Apache but not at the command line?

2010-10-18 Thread Scott Baker
On 10/18/2010 06:27 PM, Wez Furlong wrote:
> Things to check:
> 
> - Environment: what env vars are set or not set in your Apache vs. CLI
> - Owner: are you running as the same user as your web server?
> - Do you or the web server have some kind of "rc" file that might impact
> how things run?

Wez you're a genius. When I ran it as the same user as apache it works
fine. That got me thinking that it makes a log in /tmp. Checking the log
it was only writable by the apache user. A little chmod later and now my
script runs perfectly under apache and cli.

Thanks for helping me think outside the box. I spent all day puzzled by
this, you just made my night.

- Scott

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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Cris S

At 13:03 18 10 10, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:
There's nothing wrong with using  as it indicates emphasised 
text, which is semantic. Use span tags with classes only when the 
content you're styling has no semantic alternative. 
important message is much better for machines 
(including search engines, screen readers, etc) to infer a meaning 
for than important message Thanks, 
Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk - Reply message - From: 
"tedd"  Date: Mon, Oct 18, 2010 17:51 
Subject: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement. To: 
 At 9:47 AM -0400 10/18/10, Steve Staples 
wrote: >or create a style sheet, with a class definition for 
italic. > >Steve. +1 The "best practices" way to do it. Don't style 
output in an echo statement, but rather put styling in a css sheet, 
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Jesus H. Christ.

I'm on this list because I want to learn PHP, not how to parse
HTML mail or how to add italics to dolt/dolt.

You add styles to text as a presentation effect. This list is
not supposed to be about the effing presentation.

Must I say it again, more rudely even? I know you guys like
to go on and on, but give it a rest on this one. Get your
asses back on topic - and on topical jokes. This topic is
neither.

Move on already.




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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Cris S

At 15:12 18 10 10, Shreyas Agasthya wrote:

Thanks all for their input. Some of the learnings  from the thread :

1.  tag is getting deprecated.


Not in HTML5.


2. Use  and 


Both? Read that shit again, buckwheat. And by "that shit" I
do mean the standards, not what Joe Bloe told you.


3. Have CSS used to do the kind of stuff I was trying.


Uhm, yeah. @@


 I must inform, this was already in place.


Then why the fuck are we discussing this?


4. Keep an eye on the SE monster.


and on the "go fuck yourself" monster too.

Holy fuck, I've been lurking for months. I turn away for
one day and this is the non-PHP crap that happens?

Someone needs to hire me now, to keep me busy and stop me
from taking this issue apart one piece at a time. Kee-rist.



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[PHP] require_once

2010-10-18 Thread jim
 I'm having a problem including files using Zend Framework. I have in a 
controller file this


require_once "models/Member.php"; and it doesn't work ,nor does

require_once "../models/Member.php";

Anyone know what's going on with this?

Jim W.



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Re: [PHP] require_once

2010-10-18 Thread 惠新宸


hi:

print_r(get_include_path());

thanks;

Best regards

惠新宸 Xinchen Hui
http://www.laruence.com/

On 10/19/2010 10:46, jim wrote:

   I'm having a problem including files using Zend Framework. I have in a
controller file this

require_once "models/Member.php"; and it doesn't work ,nor does

require_once "../models/Member.php";

Anyone know what's going on with this?

Jim W.



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[PHP] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP] PDO working via Apache but not at the command line?

2010-10-18 Thread Stanley Sufficool
Sounds like the error message "SQLSTATE[HY000] Unable to connect:
Adaptive Server is unavailable or does not exist (severity 9)" could
be more informative, but I think this is returned by FreeTDS, not PDO.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Scott Baker  wrote:
> On 10/18/2010 06:27 PM, Wez Furlong wrote:
>> Things to check:
>>
>> - Environment: what env vars are set or not set in your Apache vs. CLI
>> - Owner: are you running as the same user as your web server?
>> - Do you or the web server have some kind of "rc" file that might impact
>> how things run?
>
> Wez you're a genius. When I ran it as the same user as apache it works
> fine. That got me thinking that it makes a log in /tmp. Checking the log
> it was only writable by the apache user. A little chmod later and now my
> script runs perfectly under apache and cli.
>
> Thanks for helping me think outside the box. I spent all day puzzled by
> this, you just made my night.
>
> - Scott
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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:46:41PM -0400, Cris S wrote:

> At 15:12 18 10 10, Shreyas Agasthya wrote:
> >Thanks all for their input. Some of the learnings  from the thread :
> >
> >1.  tag is getting deprecated.
> 
> Not in HTML5.
> 
> >2. Use  and 
> 
> Both? Read that shit again, buckwheat. And by "that shit" I
> do mean the standards, not what Joe Bloe told you.
> 
> >3. Have CSS used to do the kind of stuff I was trying.
> 
> Uhm, yeah. @@
> 
> > I must inform, this was already in place.
> 
> Then why the fuck are we discussing this?
> 
> >4. Keep an eye on the SE monster.
> 
> and on the "go fuck yourself" monster too.
> 
> Holy fuck, I've been lurking for months. I turn away for
> one day and this is the non-PHP crap that happens?

Please go back to lurking. We'd all appreciate it, and you'll be
happier.

Paul

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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread Shreyas Agasthya
Thanks for that detailed mail, Admin. The  was an example and I wanted to
understand how does one go about the whole formatting. Nonetheless, I am
pretty well informed after this thread.

Thanks once again, everyone.

Regards,
Shreyas

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Paul M Foster wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:46:41PM -0400, Cris S wrote:
>
> > At 15:12 18 10 10, Shreyas Agasthya wrote:
> > >Thanks all for their input. Some of the learnings  from the thread :
> > >
> > >1.  tag is getting deprecated.
> >
> > Not in HTML5.
> >
> > >2. Use  and 
> >
> > Both? Read that shit again, buckwheat. And by "that shit" I
> > do mean the standards, not what Joe Bloe told you.
> >
> > >3. Have CSS used to do the kind of stuff I was trying.
> >
> > Uhm, yeah. @@
> >
> > > I must inform, this was already in place.
> >
> > Then why the fuck are we discussing this?
> >
> > >4. Keep an eye on the SE monster.
> >
> > and on the "go fuck yourself" monster too.
> >
> > Holy fuck, I've been lurking for months. I turn away for
> > one day and this is the non-PHP crap that happens?
>
> Please go back to lurking. We'd all appreciate it, and you'll be
> happier.
>
> Paul
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Re: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.

2010-10-18 Thread a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk
Steady on now, this thread started as a php question, and has only deviated a 
little. Most people on the list don't work purely with php, and I for one dont 
mind the odd off-topic thread, especially when the majority of the list is made 
of good php threads.

Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk

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From: "Cris S" 
Date: Tue, Oct 19, 2010 03:46
Subject: [PHP] Formatting an ECHO statement.
To: 

At 15:12 18 10 10, Shreyas Agasthya wrote:
>Thanks all for their input. Some of the learnings  from the thread :
>
>1.  tag is getting deprecated.

Not in HTML5.

>2. Use  and 

Both? Read that shit again, buckwheat. And by "that shit" I
do mean the standards, not what Joe Bloe told you.

>3. Have CSS used to do the kind of stuff I was trying.

Uhm, yeah. @@

>  I must inform, this was already in place.

Then why the fuck are we discussing this?

>4. Keep an eye on the SE monster.

and on the "go fuck yourself" monster too.

Holy fuck, I've been lurking for months. I turn away for
one day and this is the non-PHP crap that happens?

Someone needs to hire me now, to keep me busy and stop me
from taking this issue apart one piece at a time. Kee-rist.



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