Postgres not using index on views

2020-04-06 Thread Rick Vincent
Hi,

I am seeing a performance problem with postgresql v 11.7 on views, and I am 
wondering if anyone can tell me why or has any suggestion.

A table is created as:

CREATE TABLE "FBNK_CUSTOMER" (RECID VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY, 
XMLRECORD VARCHAR)

And contains only 180 rows.

Doing an explain plan on the view created over this gives:

EXPLAIN ANALYZE
select RECID from "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"


Subquery Scan on "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..19014.60 rows=180 width=7) 
(actual time=459.601..78642.189 rows=180 loops=1)
  ->  Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER" a  (cost=0.00..19012.80 rows=180 width=14575) 
(actual time=459.600..78641.950 rows=180 loops=1)
Planning Time: 0.679 ms
Execution Time: 78642.616 ms

Yet an Explain plan on the underlying table( on select RECID from 
"FBNK_CUSTOMER") gives:

Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..22.80 rows=180 width=7) (actual 
time=0.004..0.272 rows=180 loops=1)
Planning Time: 0.031 ms
Execution Time: 0.288 ms

So you can see that postgresql is not using the primary key index for RECID.  
THIS IS NOT THE CASE FOR ORACLE where the primary key index is used in the 
explain plan

The view is created similar to the following where extractValueJS is a stored 
procedure that extracts a value from the VARCHAR XMLRECORD column.

CREATE VIEW "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER" as
SELECT a.RECID, a.XMLRECORD "THE_RECORD"
,a.RECID "CUSTOMER_CODE"
,a.RECID "CUSTOMER_NO"
,extractValueJS(a.XMLRECORD, 1, 0) "MNEMONIC"
,extractValueJS(a.XMLRECORD, 2, 0) "SHORT_NAME"
,extractValueJS(a.XMLRECORD, 2, -1) "SHORT_NAME_2"
, etc
, extractValueJS(a.XMLRECORD, 179, 9) "TESTER"
FROM
"FBNK_CUSTOMER" a


As well, the problem gets worse as columns are added to the view, irrespective 
of the SELECTION columns and it seems to perform some activity behind.

Creating an empty view,

CREATE VIEW "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER_TEST" as
SELECT a.RECID, a.XMLRECORD "THE_RECORD"
,a.RECID "CUSTOMER_CODE"
,a.RECID "CUSTOMER_NO"
FROM
"FBNK_CUSTOMER" a- > 3 ms   select RECID from 
"V_FBNK_CUSTOMER_TEST"


CREATE VIEW "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER_TEST" as
SELECT a.RECID, a.XMLRECORD "THE_RECORD"
,a.RECID "CUSTOMER_CODE"
,a.RECID "CUSTOMER_NO"
,extractValueJS(a.XMLRECORD, 1, 0) "MNEMONIC"
FROM
"FBNK_CUSTOMER" a   --> 54 ms select RECID from 
"V_FBNK_CUSTOMER_TEST"


CREATE VIEW "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER_TEST" as
SELECT a.RECID, a.XMLRECORD "THE_RECORD"
,a.RECID "CUSTOMER_CODE"
,a.RECID "CUSTOMER_NO"
,extractValueJS(a.XMLRECORD, 1, 0) "MNEMONIC"
,extractValueJS(a.XMLRECORD, 2, 0) "SHORT_NAME"
FROM
"FBNK_CUSTOMER" a > 118 ms select RECID 
from "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER_TEST"

The following query takes an extremely long time for only 180 rows, and what 
this means is that we would have to index anything appearing in the where 
clause for every table in order to use views because the views seem not to 
consider the select clause.  Why is that and does anyone know a way around this?

SELECT RECID FROM "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER" WHERE "TESTER" = '5.00' ORDER BY RECID

Sort  (cost=19015.06..19015.06 rows=1 width=7) (actual 
time=102172.500..102172.501 rows=1 loops=1)
  Sort Key: "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER".recid
  Sort Method: quicksort  Memory: 25kB
  ->  Subquery Scan on "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..19015.05 rows=1 width=7) 
(actual time=91242.866..102172.474 rows=1 loops=1)
Filter: (("V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"."TESTER")::text = '5.00'::text)
Rows Removed by Filter: 179
->  Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER" a  (cost=0.00..19012.80 rows=180 
width=14575) (actual time=613.455..102172.175 rows=180 loops=1)
Planning Time: 1.674 ms
Execution Time: 102174.015 ms


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RE: Postgres not using index on views

2020-04-07 Thread Rick Vincent
Hi Justin,

You said, " Is there a reason why you don't store the extracted value in its 
own column ?"

RV>> It simply is the way the application stores the data.  For Oracle we are 
storing in XML and JSON format, for postgres, due do limitations of XML api, we 
are storing in VARCHAR.  We can't break it out into columns very easily because 
of the legacy application.

You said, "It still did a seq scan on the table, so I'm not sure what this has 
to do with index scans ?"

RV>> On Oracle it will use the primary key index because it detects that all of 
the columns in the select clause are indexable.  With Postgres, it might be 
doing a seq scan but on a 180 rows, a select on the underlying table is many 
times faster than the same select on the view.  It seems all of the view 
columns are being triggered which makes it incredibly slow.

Thanks,
Rick



-Original Message-
From: Justin Pryzby 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 6:59 AM
To: Rick Vincent 
Cc: [email protected]; Manoj Kumar ; 
Herve Aubert 
Subject: Re: Postgres not using index on views

On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 02:19:59PM +, Rick Vincent wrote:
> I am seeing a performance problem with postgresql v 11.7 on views, and I am 
> wondering if anyone can tell me why or has any suggestion.
>
> A table is created as:
>
> CREATE TABLE "FBNK_CUSTOMER" (RECID VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY,
> XMLRECORD VARCHAR)
>
> And contains only 180 rows.
>
> Doing an explain plan on the view created over this gives:
>
> EXPLAIN ANALYZE
> select RECID from "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"
>
>
> Subquery Scan on "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..19014.60 rows=180 width=7) 
> (actual time=459.601..78642.189 rows=180 loops=1)
>   ->  Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER" a  (cost=0.00..19012.80 rows=180
> width=14575) (actual time=459.600..78641.950 rows=180 loops=1)
>
> Yet an Explain plan on the underlying table( on select RECID from 
> "FBNK_CUSTOMER") gives:
>
> Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..22.80 rows=180 width=7)
> (actual time=0.004..0.272 rows=180 loops=1)

It still did a seq scan on the table, so I'm not sure what this has to do with 
index scans ?

> The following query takes an extremely long time for only 180 rows, and what 
> this means is that we would have to index anything appearing in the where 
> clause for every table in order to use views because the views seem not to 
> consider the select clause.  Why is that and does anyone know a way around 
> this?

Is there a reason why you don't store the extracted value in its own column ?
And maybe keep it up to date using an insert/update trigger on the xmlrecord 
column.

--
Justin

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RE: Postgres not using index on views

2020-04-07 Thread Rick Vincent
Hi Tom,

The function is defined as below, so no use of VOLATILE.  Let me know if you 
need any other information.  I am hoping the below will further clarify the 
issue.

CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION extractValueJS (sVar text, nfm INTEGER, nvm INTEGER)
RETURNS VARCHAR as $$
declare
sRet text := '';
nSize int := 0;
retVal int := 0;
cVar text[] := regexp_split_to_array(sVar,'');
idx int := 1;
nStart int := 0;
nEnd int := 0;
begin
etc...
return sRet;
end;
$$ LANGUAGE plpgsql;

After reading you link.

Here is a better explain plan:

Explain on the table:

EXPLAIN (analyze,BUFFERS)
 select RECID from "FBNK_CUSTOMER"
Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..22.80 rows=180 width=7) (actual 
time=0.011..0.073 rows=180 loops=1)
  Buffers: shared hit=21
Planning Time: 0.056 ms
Execution Time: 0.091 ms

Explain on the view:

EXPLAIN (analyze,BUFFERS)
 select RECID from "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"

Subquery Scan on "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..19014.60 rows=180 width=7) 
(actual time=455.727..76837.097 rows=180 loops=1)
  Buffers: shared hit=204
  ->  Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER" a  (cost=0.00..19012.80 rows=180 width=14575) 
(actual time=455.726..76836.791 rows=180 loops=1)
Buffers: shared hit=204
Planning Time: 1.109 ms
Execution Time: 76838.505 ms

Explain on view with a column:

EXPLAIN (analyze,BUFFERS)
 SELECT RECID FROM "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER" WHERE "TESTER" = '5.00' ORDER BY RECID
Sort  (cost=19015.06..19015.06 rows=1 width=7) (actual 
time=76033.475..76033.475 rows=1 loops=1)
  Sort Key: "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER".recid
  Sort Method: quicksort  Memory: 25kB
  Buffers: shared hit=21
  ->  Subquery Scan on "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..19015.05 rows=1 width=7) 
(actual time=66521.952..76033.434 rows=1 loops=1)
Filter: (("V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"."TESTER")::text = '5.00'::text)
Rows Removed by Filter: 179
Buffers: shared hit=21
->  Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER" a  (cost=0.00..19012.80 rows=180 
width=14575) (actual time=462.949..76033.096 rows=180 loops=1)
  Buffers: shared hit=21
Planning Time: 0.819 ms
Execution Time: 76033.731 ms

But on the underlying table and not the view but just using the one view column 
called TESTER:

EXPLAIN (analyze,BUFFERS)
 SELECT RECID FROM "FBNK_CUSTOMER" WHERE extractValueJS(XMLRECORD, 179, 9) = 
'5.00' ORDER BY RECID
Sort  (cost=68.26..68.27 rows=1 width=7) (actual time=220.403..220.404 rows=1 
loops=1)
  Sort Key: recid
  Sort Method: quicksort  Memory: 25kB
  Buffers: shared hit=21
  ->  Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..68.25 rows=1 width=7) (actual 
time=193.000..220.397 rows=1 loops=1)
Filter: ((extractvaluejs((xmlrecord)::text, 179, 9))::text = 
'5.00'::text)
Rows Removed by Filter: 179
Buffers: shared hit=21
Planning Time: 0.045 ms
Execution Time: 220.418 ms

Other info:

SELECT relname, relpages, reltuples, relallvisible, relkind, relnatts, 
relhassubclass, reloptions, pg_table_size(oid) FROM pg_class WHERE 
relname='FBNK_CURRENCY';

relname relpagesreltuples   relallvisible   relkind relnatts
relhassubclass  reloptions  pg_table_size
FBNK_CURRENCY   6   93  0   r   2   false   NULL81920

Version is:
PostgreSQL 11.7 (Debian 11.7-2.pgdg90+1) on x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, compiled by 
gcc (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) 6.3.0 20170516, 64-bit

It is a postgres docker image.

Thanks,
Rick

-Original Message-
From: Tom Lane 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 7:09 AM
To: Justin Pryzby 
Cc: Rick Vincent ; [email protected]; 
Manoj Kumar ; Herve Aubert 
Subject: Re: Postgres not using index on views

Justin Pryzby mailto:[email protected]>> writes:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 02:19:59PM +, Rick Vincent wrote:
>> The following query takes an extremely long time for only 180 rows, and what 
>> this means is that we would have to index anything appearing in the where 
>> clause for every table in order to use views because the views seem not to 
>> consider the select clause.  Why is that and does anyone know a way around 
>> this?

> Is there a reason why you don't store the extracted value in its own column ?

The planner seems to be quite well aware that the slower query is going to be 
slower, since the estimated costs are much higher.  Since it's not choosing to 
optimize into a faster form, I wonder whether it's constrained by semantic 
requirements.  In particular, I'm suspicious that some of those functions you 
have in the view are marked "volatile", preventing them from being optimized 
away.

Beyond that guess, though, there's really not enough info here to say.
The info we usually ask for to debug slow-query problems is explained at

https://wiki.postgr

RE: Postgres not using index on views

2020-04-17 Thread Rick Vincent
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone can explain the below problem.  Should a bug be 
logged for this?

Kind regards,
Rick

_
From: Rick Vincent
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:08 AM
To: 'Tom Lane' ; Justin Pryzby 
Cc: [email protected]; Manoj Kumar ; 
Herve Aubert 
Subject: RE: Postgres not using index on views


Hi Tom,

The function is defined as below, so no use of VOLATILE.  Let me know if you 
need any other information.  I am hoping the below will further clarify the 
issue.

CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION extractValueJS (sVar text, nfm INTEGER, nvm INTEGER)
RETURNS VARCHAR as $$
declare
sRet text := '';
nSize int := 0;
retVal int := 0;
cVar text[] := regexp_split_to_array(sVar,'');
idx int := 1;
nStart int := 0;
nEnd int := 0;
begin
etc...
return sRet;
end;
$$ LANGUAGE plpgsql;

After reading you link.

Here is a better explain plan:

Explain on the table:

EXPLAIN (analyze,BUFFERS)
 select RECID from "FBNK_CUSTOMER"
Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..22.80 rows=180 width=7) (actual 
time=0.011..0.073 rows=180 loops=1)
  Buffers: shared hit=21
Planning Time: 0.056 ms
Execution Time: 0.091 ms

Explain on the view:

EXPLAIN (analyze,BUFFERS)
 select RECID from "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"

Subquery Scan on "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..19014.60 rows=180 width=7) 
(actual time=455.727..76837.097 rows=180 loops=1)
  Buffers: shared hit=204
  ->  Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER" a  (cost=0.00..19012.80 rows=180 width=14575) 
(actual time=455.726..76836.791 rows=180 loops=1)
Buffers: shared hit=204
Planning Time: 1.109 ms
Execution Time: 76838.505 ms

Explain on view with a column:

EXPLAIN (analyze,BUFFERS)
 SELECT RECID FROM "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER" WHERE "TESTER" = '5.00' ORDER BY RECID
Sort  (cost=19015.06..19015.06 rows=1 width=7) (actual 
time=76033.475..76033.475 rows=1 loops=1)
  Sort Key: "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER".recid
  Sort Method: quicksort  Memory: 25kB
  Buffers: shared hit=21
  ->  Subquery Scan on "V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..19015.05 rows=1 width=7) 
(actual time=66521.952..76033.434 rows=1 loops=1)
Filter: (("V_FBNK_CUSTOMER"."TESTER")::text = '5.00'::text)
Rows Removed by Filter: 179
Buffers: shared hit=21
->  Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER" a  (cost=0.00..19012.80 rows=180 
width=14575) (actual time=462.949..76033.096 rows=180 loops=1)
  Buffers: shared hit=21
Planning Time: 0.819 ms
Execution Time: 76033.731 ms

But on the underlying table and not the view but just using the one view column 
called TESTER:

EXPLAIN (analyze,BUFFERS)
 SELECT RECID FROM "FBNK_CUSTOMER" WHERE extractValueJS(XMLRECORD, 179, 9) = 
'5.00' ORDER BY RECID
Sort  (cost=68.26..68.27 rows=1 width=7) (actual time=220.403..220.404 rows=1 
loops=1)
  Sort Key: recid
  Sort Method: quicksort  Memory: 25kB
  Buffers: shared hit=21
  ->  Seq Scan on "FBNK_CUSTOMER"  (cost=0.00..68.25 rows=1 width=7) (actual 
time=193.000..220.397 rows=1 loops=1)
Filter: ((extractvaluejs((xmlrecord)::text, 179, 9))::text = 
'5.00'::text)
Rows Removed by Filter: 179
Buffers: shared hit=21
Planning Time: 0.045 ms
Execution Time: 220.418 ms

Other info:

SELECT relname, relpages, reltuples, relallvisible, relkind, relnatts, 
relhassubclass, reloptions, pg_table_size(oid) FROM pg_class WHERE 
relname='FBNK_CURRENCY';

relname relpagesreltuples   relallvisible   relkind relnatts
relhassubclass  reloptions  pg_table_size
FBNK_CURRENCY   6   93  0   r   2   false   NULL81920

Version is:
PostgreSQL 11.7 (Debian 11.7-2.pgdg90+1) on x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, compiled by 
gcc (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) 6.3.0 20170516, 64-bit

It is a postgres docker image.

Thanks,
Rick

-Original Message-
From: Tom Lane mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 7:09 AM
To: Justin Pryzby mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: Rick Vincent mailto:[email protected]>>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; 
Manoj Kumar mailto:[email protected]>>; Herve 
Aubert mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: Postgres not using index on views

Justin Pryzby mailto:[email protected]>> writes:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 02:19:59PM +, Rick Vincent wrote:
>> The following query takes an extremely long time for only 180 rows, and what 
>> this means is that we would have to index anything appearing in the where 
>> clause for every table in order to use views because the views seem not to 
>> consider the select clause.  Why is that and does anyone know a way around 
>> this?

> Is there a reason why you don't store the extracted value in i

RE: Postgres not using index on views

2020-04-17 Thread Rick Vincent
Hi David,

Oh, okay…I missed that implied part.  Will try it and post back.

Thanks,
Rick

From: David G. Johnston 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 4:55 PM
To: Rick Vincent 
Cc: Tom Lane ; Justin Pryzby ; 
[email protected]; Manoj Kumar ; Herve 
Aubert 
Subject: Postgres not using index on views

On Friday, April 17, 2020, Rick Vincent 
mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone can explain the below problem.  Should a bug be 
logged for this?

Kind regards,
Rick

_
From: Rick Vincent
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:08 AM
To: 'Tom Lane' mailto:[email protected]>>; Justin Pryzby 
mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; 
Manoj Kumar mailto:[email protected]>>; Herve 
Aubert mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: RE: Postgres not using index on views


Hi Tom,

The function is defined as below, so no use of VOLATILE.  Let me know if you 
need any other information.  I am hoping the below will further clarify the 
issue.


IIUC as Tom wrote you have volatile functions (implied/default as Thomas wrote) 
attached to view column outputs and the planner will not optimize those away.

Mark your function immutable (assuming it is) and retry your experiment with 
the where clause query.

David J.

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RE: Postgres not using index on views

2020-04-20 Thread Rick Vincent
Dear all,

Changing the function signature to IMMUTABLE worked like a dream.  No issue 
now.  Sorry for my confusion on VOLATILE being created as the default.  Thanks 
to everyone for your help!

Kind regards,
Rick Vincent

From: David G. Johnston 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 4:55 PM
To: Rick Vincent 
Cc: Tom Lane ; Justin Pryzby ; 
[email protected]; Manoj Kumar ; Herve 
Aubert 
Subject: Postgres not using index on views

On Friday, April 17, 2020, Rick Vincent 
mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone can explain the below problem.  Should a bug be 
logged for this?

Kind regards,
Rick

_
From: Rick Vincent
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:08 AM
To: 'Tom Lane' mailto:[email protected]>>; Justin Pryzby 
mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; 
Manoj Kumar mailto:[email protected]>>; Herve 
Aubert mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: RE: Postgres not using index on views


Hi Tom,

The function is defined as below, so no use of VOLATILE.  Let me know if you 
need any other information.  I am hoping the below will further clarify the 
issue.


IIUC as Tom wrote you have volatile functions (implied/default as Thomas wrote) 
attached to view column outputs and the planner will not optimize those away.

Mark your function immutable (assuming it is) and retry your experiment with 
the where clause query.

David J.

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