David Chmelik posted on Thu, 12 Dec 2024 05:19:38 - (UTC) as
excerpted:
> User-Agent: Pan/0.161 (Chasiv Yar; )
> I'm back on Slackware 15.1-current (64-bit) but now (in XFCE) there's no
> system tray icon, nor can pan close to the system tray. Didn't I or
> people have same problem on Debian/Devuan, etc.?
[User-Agent line from your headers.]
From pan's NEWS file
(which many packages will place at /usr/share/doc/pan/NEWS or similar):
0.159 "Vovchansk" (Вовчанськ) 2024-06-05
[snip]
- remove support for obsolete Status Icon
But you are correct about having the same problem previously (at about
that time). The thread announcing/discussing the removal was on the list
and you replied to it to that effect. Since you're posting with pan I'll
assume you can look it up from the following thread-OP info:
From: Dominique Dumont
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gnome.apps.pan.user
Subject: Removed deprecated StatusIcon
Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 18:17:54 +0200
Message-ID: <4565961.LvFx2qVVIh @ ylum>
Meanwhile, speaking as someone who has suffered through too many of their
own forced comfortable-usage-pattern adjustments (the kde3/4 transition
continues to live in infamy as the worst here, partly because it was so
many things at once and partly because they force-dropped kde3 support
waayyy too long before the kde4 replacements were even /close/ to every-
day production-usable, a mistake they did /not/ make again with the 4/5 or
5/6 transitions!), let me commiserate at least!
And finally, a discussion of some possibilities that might be of help
coping with it if you must, even if it's not gonna be pleasant. (Like I
said I've been there; done that!):
1) Regular minimize. Pan, like most apps, does still minimize properly,
just not to tray and thus not removing it from the usual task list. (As
DD mentioned on the original thread.) Not that this will help you /that/
much because a big part of the /point/ of "traying" something is getting
it off the usual task list, but maybe the specific mention will help a
confused reader not familiar with the context coming across this years
from now...
But FWIW, over the years I've come to favor other "get out of my way for a
bit" methods and thus don't use minimize so much any more. (And FWIW, I'd
guess this probably has as much to do with my not finding the pan option
that useful any more as the reasons I listed in the other thread. YMMV.)
2) Virtual Desktops/workspaces. These days I'll often stick an app that I
intend to "backburner" on a different desktop, perhaps grouped with a few
others I'm using to work on the same general task. Maybe this is easier
in kde/plasma than on desktops such as your XFCE, but on plasma anyway,
the various app-switcher methods either make per-desktop or current-
desktop-only an option (taskbar, icon-only-taskbar, the various
configurable keyboard switchers...), or do it as part of the concept
(desktop-grid, desktop-cube...), so different-desktop can really be out-
of-my-way for the time being, while still available if I want to switch to
it.
If your desktop environment doesn't offer virtual desktops natively (I've
no idea if xfce does), it's quite possible there's a plugin/extension
available that adds the feature.
2b) Throw money at it with a bigger desktop. To a large extent this is
arguably what I've done (tho at a tradeoff...). I'm currently running
three 50-inch (1.27 cm) 4K TVs as monitors, to be four of them in a 2x2
grid for a poor-man's 100-inch 8K equivalent once I upgrade the computer
so the graphics card will handle the 4th one.
With that sort of screen real estate, the need to minimize or z-axis stack
windows from multiple apps doesn't /entirely/ go away, but it's nowhere
/near/ the pressure one experiences on a single full-HD or even 4K
monitor.
(Altho... It should be said, my computer itself is a decade-plus-old AMD
fx6100 dinosaur. Yes I've upgraded to SSDs, actually replacing a failed
one (luckily in btrfs raid1 and the data's fine) at a cost of another $100
on my old core system (old enough compatible SATA-III ssds are getting
hard to find; everything's going M2 now!) just last weekend, and upgraded
the graphics card once too, but the money for the fancy TVs as monitors
came from somewhere, the core machine hasn't yet been upgraded, and until
I do that, the now decade-old system's seeming rather slow now,
particularly when I'm trying to do gentoo build-from-source updates!)
3) Patches. Going in an entirely different direction, if you're willing
to build pan from sources, you can of course apply modification or revert-
patches as you wish. If you decide to go that way and don't want to have
to go digging thru the git logs to find the commits to revert-patch
yourself, I can probably help with that as I'm running live-git pan here
and can dig them up to post for you. I believe it'd be 2-4 commits to
revert at this point, at least the original, plus a followup that
