Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments aboutllSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

[Marcelles Dreamscape]

I think that would be neat to make WL settings an inventory item that you
could share with others

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[mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of Kitty
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:11 AM
To: 'Lear Cale'
Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments
aboutllSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

> And Carlo has a great suggestion that WL settings should be 
> supported as inventory items, similar to LMs.  (Going to make 
> a JIRA for that, Carlo?)

That was supposed to be the idea all along:

"SHAREABLE settings! Since SL is a social world, we think you'll agree it'd
be great - and time-saving - to swap skies and related settings. Imagine
coming up with a gloriously surreal sweep straight out of Koyaanisqatsi and
Baraka's love-child and wanting to show it off, like you can with other
inventory item types." (May 2007)

"In the future, we plan to allow estate owners and managers to change them,
as a dramatic evolution of the current dayphase controls found in World menu
> Region/Estate > Estate tab." (May 2007)

"There is more exciting work planned for WindLight, including estate
controls for custom skies/water and making skies/water available as
tradeable inventory items. Stay tuned for more info." (November 2007)

Then Windlight became the "main viewer" in April 2008 and I don't think
we've heard about it since (including any of the other planned improvements
like clouds casting shadows on the terrain, lunar cycles, post-processing
effects and a better cloud simulator).

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Re: [opensource-dev] "vendor" branch and Snowglobe 2.0

[Marcelles Dreamscape]

Good job Merov! Looking forward to tinkering J

 

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[mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of Philippe
(Merov) Bossut
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:53 PM
To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Subject: [opensource-dev] "vendor" branch and Snowglobe 2.0

 

Hi,

For those following the commit messages, you certainly noticed quite a bit
of commits from that "Merov Linden" bloke recently. What's this all about?

Short Story
We have now a "vendor" branch (export of official viewer source code) and
tagged branches. I'm going to continue testing of the commit scripts and,
when done, will flip the switch and drop beta 4.

Long Story
I'm pretty much done with all the export script writing now and I'm moving
to make all that live so that updates from the viewer trunk come in more
regularly and automatically. For this though, I needed to create the first
repo "manually" and that's what I did yesterday and today (among other
things), cleaning stuff up and finding a couple of more bugs in my scripts
while at it :/ 

The result is a "vendor" branch, i.e. a clean export from the viewer 2 0
trunk that we can use to sync Snowglobe 2.0 with whenever we need/want. This
branch is:
https://svn.secondlife.com/svn/linden/branches/2010/oss-viewer

This will be the "live" vendor branch holding the exported copy of the
internal viewer development trunk.

Since I populated it with the beta 3 bundle, I also created a "tag" for good
measure:
https://svn.secondlife.com/svn/linden/branches/2010/viewer_2-0_beta3

Next Step
I'm going to turn on the commit script before the end of the week (I need to
do some more tests) so expect beta 4 to drop on oss-viewer soon.

Thanks for your patience.

Cheers,
- Merov

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Re: [opensource-dev] Moving forward with open development

[Marcelles Dreamscape]

Hello JB,

 

What it sounds like to me (imho) is the Linden's have an objective(s) as to
where they would like to take Snowglobe and not every new idea or feature
will fit within the scope/boundaries that has been set. Yes this is an open
source project but its within the control of this company "Linden Labs", I
believe they would like to have collaboration with other like minded
individuals and I believe the feedback everyone gives is valuable to them. I
believe the intent is to meet their business objects (after all they are
still a company that has to pay bills) as well as keeping us involved with
the development of SL, and to create a great viewer but not at the expense
of keeping up with the Jones so to speak. This is just my opinion and what I
perceive from the feedback the lindens give on this list.

 

 

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[mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of JB
Hancroft
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:43 AM
To: Howard Look
Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Moving forward with open development

 

Howard,

Can you amplify on this?  "We are going to start moving more of our Viewer
development into the open."

Which parts of the viewer, specifically?

Here's why I'm asking: 
I'm concerned that there are so many divergent viewer projects, that the
end-user experience is going to be fractured.  
What happens when I want "this shiny new thing" (available only with the ABC
viewer), and "that other shiny" (available only with the XYZ viewer)?

I'd like to avoid this, in the future:
   (Person 1: "Oh, you Don't Have the RubyShine-on-steroids plugin for
Snowglobe? <*smirk*>   
Well, Everyone Knows... you just can't enjoy
high-end SL jewelry without it."
Person 2: "Well, yeah, but I have to choose between my Super-Gizmo
Estate Mgmt Viewer, and awesome jewelry... Sigh")

I have clients today who want capabilities that LL isn't making possible,
without going down the technical path of making a custom viewer. The time
and effort, expense, and dependencies that creates... in my opinion... are
holding back further expansion of use of the SL platform.  Because of this,
I'm hearing more and more people and Companies looking at VW platforms other
than SL, with greater consideration than in the past.

Please remember... "perfect is the enemy of good enough".  For some of these
things, we don't need The Grand Plan... we need things we can work with.

Thanks,
- JB

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Howard Look  wrote:

Hey opensource-dev@,

Well, no lack of passion here recently. I want to let you know that we're
paying very close attention and we're prepared to make some changes to how
we manage our open development projects and work with the community.

First, our intent:

- We are going to start moving more of our Viewer development into the open.
This means that some LL engineers will be working in a development branch
that is in the open, viewable by all, and that communication and design
activity for these projects will happen in the open. Over time, if it goes
well, it may even become most viewer development. Q will start a separate
thread with a proposal on branching strategy shortly.

- We will continue to do some private internal development downstream of the
external branch. As you know, we use some libraries that cannot be public.
Also, we are obligated to protect our Second Life trademark, so the external
branch will remain branded Snowglobe, not Second Life.

- We will occasionally have projects where we defer communicating about them
because we are still sorting out the business model or because we haven't
gathered our own thoughts about design goals or requirements. We will
endeavor to get opensource-dev@ involved as soon as is practical.

- We have just gotten started thinking about Firefly. Our intent is not to
exclude you, we just simply aren't ready to talk about it because we're busy
with other things and gathering our own thoughts. Please be patient and
assume good intent. 

And there are few things we need in return:

- We need some better behavior on this list. While many folks have been
constructive and helpful, many have not. Quite simply, if you can not remain
civil, professional and constructive, please go elsewhere. Repeat offenders
may be put under moderation.

- We'd like your help finding candidates for a full-time leader of our open
development initiative. Please see the job description here
 .

- If you are going to contribute to Snowglobe, you will need to complete the
Second Life Viewer Contribution Agreement
 .
While not everyone is comfortable with it, we need to do it to protect our
business interests. It also protects you. I'll draft off of Sun's FAQ