Re: [opensource-dev] [SNOWSTORM] Daily Scrum Summary - Thursday, December 9

[Vadim Savchuk]

On 12/09/2010 09:23 PM, Anya Kanevsky wrote:



Jonathan Yap



*PAST*

* Tried to use codereview + postreview command. Got message:
  Unable to log in: HTTP 404

Will wait for Oz to publish instructions on the wiki.

By the way, for anyone getting the following message when trying to use 
the post-review script:


Error creating review request: The repository path specified is not in 
the list of known repositories


The reason is that post-review is very sensitive to the way you specify 
remote repository in the [paths] section of your /REPO//.hg/hgrc.

It must be exactly the same as in Review Board settings.
Here is the one that works for me:

[paths]
default = http://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/viewer-beta/

Note that neither of the following URLs will work, despite being valid 
and pointing to the same repo:


   * https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/viewer-beta/
   * http://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/viewer-beta
   * http://hg.secondlife.com/viewer-beta/


Hope this helps,

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Vadim

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Re: [opensource-dev] Review Request: STORM-524 : Refresh L$ balance

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Merov, why do we need those added calls?
And the one in draw() looks suspicious to me: are you sure it won't be ever 
called, say, 100 times per second?

- Vadim


On 2010-12-09 11:55:40, Merov Linden wrote:
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> (Updated 2010-12-09 11:55:40)
> 
> 
> Review request for Viewer.
> 
> 
> Summary
> ---
> 
> Since the L$ balance can be updated by events outside the viewer entirely 
> (purchase of L$ on web) and since we do not pool or receive notifications for 
> this, I implemented a simple "click to refresh" event on the LLTextBox 
> holding the L$ balance value (proposed by Q in JIRA).
> I modified the tooltip to reflect this new functionality.
> 
> 
> This addresses bug STORM-524.
> http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-524
> 
> 
> Diffs
> -
> 
>   indra/newview/llbuycurrencyhtml.cpp 25bd6007e3d2 
>   indra/newview/llfloaterbuycurrency.cpp 25bd6007e3d2 
>   indra/newview/llfloaterbuycurrencyhtml.cpp 25bd6007e3d2 
>   indra/newview/llstatusbar.h 25bd6007e3d2 
>   indra/newview/llstatusbar.cpp 25bd6007e3d2 
>   indra/newview/skins/default/xui/en/panel_status_bar.xml 25bd6007e3d2 
> 
> Diff: http://codereview.secondlife.com/r/6/diff
> 
> 
> Testing
> ---
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Merov
> 
>

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Re: [opensource-dev] Destination Guide Categories not working...

[Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle]

Hi Ponzu,

That's all web content the Viewer team doesn't control. Could you file a WEB
ticket in Jira?

Thanks!
Esbee



On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Ponzu  wrote:

> Open Sidebar, and hand of SL icon
> Click Open Destination Guide.
> Click on the Category: All pop down.
> Select one of the items.
>
> So far as I can tell, clicking on a category doesn't do anything.  No
> highlighting, no list refresh, no click...nada.
>
> I don't see a relevant Jira.
>
> This happens with SL beta and SL V2.
>
> If someone can point me at the relevant source files, I can take a look at
> it.
>
> regards,
> lee
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Re: [opensource-dev] Any hope of STORM-727 getting a little love?

[Dave Booth]

On 12/9/2010 23:54, Vadim Savchuk wrote:
> Thanks Nicky, but STORM-727 is already fixed. :-)`

Confirm fix works for me in latest dev build.
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[opensource-dev] Display song title being played

[Jonathan Welch]

I was looking over some jiras and found this one

Add support for displaying the title of the song playing on the stream
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-381


There is already an (old) patch to do this for linux.  Does someone
want to step up and do it for the rest of the platforms?
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[opensource-dev] Multiple Manifest Errors vs2005 pro builds

[Nicky Perian]

I can't get past these multiple manifest errors. 
This http://pastebin.com/WFnt6YRb is a build log of viewer-development 2.5.0.0 
that was current as of yesterday Dec 9 ~ 1800Z. 

I thought I was past this error at one time but, it is back. 
Request suggestions to resolve.

Thanks,

Nicky

P.S. I isolated this build from my normal system inside Linux->Virtual Box-> 
Windows XP Virtual Machine and
got this same result.



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[opensource-dev] Linux 64bit and gstreamer

[Mike Chase]

Hi all, I have a new machine coming and given the amount of memory it 
has I'd really like to run it 64bit linux (probably ubuntu).  I'd really 
like to stay with the ability to run SnowStorm (and the Mesh viewer 
builds).  Can someone point me to a summary of 64bit support for Linux 
for that series of viewers?  I know in the past I was able to run a 
32bit version but with no streaming media.  Thats a non starter for me 
as I own a club in SL and its kinda nice to be able to hear what's being 
played in the club.

Thanks in advance for the help!

Mike
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Re: [opensource-dev] Linux 64bit and gstreamer

[Sythos]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:51:54 -0500
Mike Chase  wrote:

> Hi all, I have a new machine coming and given the amount of memory it 
> has I'd really like to run it 64bit linux (probably ubuntu).  I'd
> really like to stay with the ability to run SnowStorm (and the Mesh
> viewer builds).  Can someone point me to a summary of 64bit support
> for Linux for that series of viewers?  I know in the past I was able
> to run a 32bit version but with no streaming media.  Thats a non
> starter for me as I own a club in SL and its kinda nice to be able to
> hear what's being played in the club.

sudo apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl
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Re: [opensource-dev] Linux 64bit and gstreamer

[Mike Chase]

On 12/10/2010 03:33 PM, Altair Sythos Memo wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:51:54 -0500
> Mike Chase  wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I have a new machine coming and given the amount of memory it
>> has I'd really like to run it 64bit linux (probably ubuntu).  I'd
>> really like to stay with the ability to run SnowStorm (and the Mesh
>> viewer builds).  Can someone point me to a summary of 64bit support
>> for Linux for that series of viewers?  I know in the past I was able
>> to run a 32bit version but with no streaming media.  Thats a non
>> starter for me as I own a club in SL and its kinda nice to be able to
>> hear what's being played in the club.
> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl
>
Yes, but that doesn't address the gstreamer issue. As far as I know 
unless something has changed.  I suppose I could bite the bullet and get 
used to building form source.  But I was hopeful with the excellent work 
being done in sprints by the team that a 64bit Linux client might have 
been addressed.

Mike
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Re: [opensource-dev] Linux 64bit and gstreamer

[Sythos]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:54:36 -0500
Mike Chase  wrote:

> Yes, but that doesn't address the gstreamer issue. As far as I know 
> unless something has changed.  I suppose I could bite the bullet and
> get used to building form source.  But I was hopeful with the
> excellent work being done in sprints by the team that a 64bit Linux
> client might have been addressed.

here work fine (on pulseaudio, but dunno if this can change something)
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[opensource-dev] Daily Scrum Summary - Friday, December 10

[Anya Kanevsky]

 Friday, December 10, 2010 General Notes
--

   - Merge Monkey of the Day: Merov

Team Status
--
 Merov Linden
--

*PAST*
PAST

   - STORM-524 : L$ balance display : Took feedback into account.
   Implemented extra balance updates. Moved to Review (assigned to Vadim)
   - STORM-34 : Favorites drop down on login: built binary on TC for Esbee
   to review
   - Merge Monkeying: lots of...

*FUTURE*

   - Merge Monkeying
   - STORM-453 : libcurl
   - STORM-151: kdu compression: Clean up. Test other settings (use of
   precincts, check premultiplication for alpha). Compare perf to baseline.

*IMPEDIMENTS*

   - none

Oz Linden
--

   - OOO - Vacation.

Q Linden
--

   - OOO - medical

Esbee Linden
--

   - OOO

Paul ProductEngine
--

*PAST*

   - STORM-625 (Multiple cut-offs in the Preferances floater if UI size
   differs from 1.0)
  - WIP. Estimate ~4 hours.
   - TASK STORM- 622 (Texture picker screws up when multiple textures are
   opened)
  - Sent for review

*FUTURE*

   - STORM-625 (Multiple cut-offs in the Preferances floater if UI size
   differs from 1.0)
   - Commit fix for STORM-622
   - Pick up something from Sprint 9.

*IMPEDIMENTS*

   - none

Seth Productengine
--

*PAST*

   - TASK (STORM-693) Preview thumbnails in the Edit Wearable and Edit Body
   Parts panels do not honor opacity settings
  - WIP. Changed opacity settings for Preview thumbnails in the Edit
  Wearable but they don't apply. Investigating what affects the
opacity of the
  preview widgets draw context.
   - Code reviews.

*FUTURE*

   - TASK (STORM-693) Preview thumbnails in the Edit Wearable and Edit Body
   Parts panels do not honor opacity settings
   - BUG (STORM-378) Snapshot animation should be played when snapshot is
   actually taken, not sent

*IMPEDIMENTS*

   - none

Andrew Productengine
--

*PAST*

   - Normal task STORM-34 (As a User, I want a list of my favorite locations
   available on the login screen so i can log in to SL right where I want to
   be).
  - Fixed and sent for review. Merov, please do a TC build, so Esbee can
  review.
   - Crititcal bug STORM-525 (Runtime Error message from the Microsoft
   Visual C++ Runtime Library eventually leads to Crash).
  - Tried to reproduce, but couldn't, because I was ejected from parcel
  because it was "private".
   - Story STORM-2 (As a User, I want to set my own default views with
   specific UI layout so I can tailor my Viewer experience to the activities
   I'm most interested in).
  - Discussed with Vadim. Started investigating. Rough estimate - 1
  week.

*FUTURE*

   - STORM-2

*IMPEDIMENTS*

   - Couldn't stay in parcel from STORM-525's comments, because it has
   access restrictions and ejected me. Perhaps to reproduce it I will need
   access.

Vadim Productengine
--

*PAST*

   - Task STORM-774 (IM and notification toasts don't honor floater
   transparency settings):
  - Implemented.
   - Bug STORM-728 (Viewer crashes while trying to send Snapshot to Email in
   mouselook mode):
  - Fixed.
   - Bug STORM-727 (Close and "<=" buttons are disabled when create new
   Landmark):
  - Committed fix.
   - Code review.

*FUTURE*

   - Severe bug STORM-636 (Pulseaudio support is crashing web media on some
   new Linux distros).

*IMPEDIMENTS*

   - Need Esbee to review STORM-529.

Andrey Productengine
--

*PAST*

   - picked up Beta2 r216393 build
   - passed smoke & integrity tests, see IQA-57 for more details

*FUTURE*

   - switch to verification of v-d integrated tickets
   - pick up Release build (?)

*IMPEDIMENTS*

   - None

Wolfpup Lowenhar
--

*PAST*

   - STORM-765 : Re-Opened and updated to include images showing issue is
   still present. (left this unassigned as I did not know who best to assign it
   to.)
   - Attended Scrum meeting.
   - STORM-776 : Imported by Merov at my request as this is a bug fix and
   began work.
   - Posted email to opensource-dev concerning STORM-776 .

*FUTURE*

   - STORM-776 : estimating 7 days total time maybe even longer. (need to
   talk to Esbee and Q concerning this)

*IMPEDIMENTS*

   - Not enough time between working in-world and at real job to actually
   work on code.
   - Right Hand(it is slowly healing but will take time since it is the tip
   of middle finger
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Re: [opensource-dev] Linux 64bit and gstreamer

[Marc Adored]

Pulseaudio is the default in all ubuntu versions. 64bit gstreamer will
not work with 32bit Secondlife Viewer even with pulseaudio because
secondlife accesses the gstreamer lib not pulseaudio. Gstreamer is the
one to access the pulseaudio subsystem. The only way to get it to work
is to build a 64bit Secondlife Viewer or hack through your system and
install a 32bit gstreamer which may or may not cause other system wide
issues so building the viewer in 64bit is the better option. Building
the viewer in 64bit is currently a really really difficult task even
for people who know what they are doing. I've been hoping for linden
to really work on simplifying the 64bit building because 64bit systems
are being more and more popular with the need for more and more
memory. I do believe someone was working on fixing this in the
opensource community but I don't recall who or how far they got.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Altair Sythos  wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:54:36 -0500
> Mike Chase  wrote:
>
>> Yes, but that doesn't address the gstreamer issue. As far as I know
>> unless something has changed.  I suppose I could bite the bullet and
>> get used to building form source.  But I was hopeful with the
>> excellent work being done in sprints by the team that a 64bit Linux
>> client might have been addressed.
>
> here work fine (on pulseaudio, but dunno if this can change something)
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Re: [opensource-dev] Destination Guide Categories not working...

[Yoz Grahame]

Coincidentally, this particular issue has just started being investigated
from an internal report. However it seems to be really weird; so far, the
team has only been able to repro it reliably on two of the many PCs in the
office, despite all using the same (or close enough) viewer versions.
The internal issue has been cloned & linked to WEB-3396. If you can throw
any extra light on it, we'd appreciate it!

On 10 December 2010 05:44, Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle wrote:

> Hi Ponzu,
>
> That's all web content the Viewer team doesn't control. Could you file a
> WEB ticket in Jira?
>
> Thanks!
> Esbee
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Ponzu  wrote:
>
>> Open Sidebar, and hand of SL icon
>> Click Open Destination Guide.
>> Click on the Category: All pop down.
>> Select one of the items.
>>
>> So far as I can tell, clicking on a category doesn't do anything.  No
>> highlighting, no list refresh, no click...nada.
>>
>> I don't see a relevant Jira.
>>
>> This happens with SL beta and SL V2.
>>
>> If someone can point me at the relevant source files, I can take a look at
>> it.
>>
>> regards,
>> lee
>>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Destination Guide Categories not working...

[Yoz Grahame]

Oops - after further investigation (and actually paying attention to the
finer details of what Ponzu had written) it turns out that this *is* a
viewer issue after all. VWR-24164

On 10 December 2010 14:28, Yoz Grahame  wrote:

> Coincidentally, this particular issue has just started being investigated
> from an internal report. However it seems to be really weird; so far, the
> team has only been able to repro it reliably on two of the many PCs in the
> office, despite all using the same (or close enough) viewer versions.
> The internal issue has been cloned & linked to WEB-3396. If you can throw
> any extra light on it, we'd appreciate it!
>
>
> On 10 December 2010 05:44, Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle wrote:
>
>> Hi Ponzu,
>>
>> That's all web content the Viewer team doesn't control. Could you file a
>> WEB ticket in Jira?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Esbee
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Ponzu  wrote:
>>
>>> Open Sidebar, and hand of SL icon
>>> Click Open Destination Guide.
>>> Click on the Category: All pop down.
>>> Select one of the items.
>>>
>>> So far as I can tell, clicking on a category doesn't do anything.  No
>>> highlighting, no list refresh, no click...nada.
>>>
>>> I don't see a relevant Jira.
>>>
>>> This happens with SL beta and SL V2.
>>>
>>> If someone can point me at the relevant source files, I can take a look
>>> at it.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> lee
>>>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Review Request: STORM-524 : Refresh L$ balance

[Merov Linden]

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(Updated 2010-12-10 16:21:57.124487)


Review request for Viewer.


Changes
---

Took Vadim's comment into account pulling the balance update out of updateUI() 
and only in onClick() calls or close UI calls


Summary
---

Since the L$ balance can be updated by events outside the viewer entirely 
(purchase of L$ on web) and since we do not pool or receive notifications for 
this, I implemented a simple "click to refresh" event on the LLTextBox holding 
the L$ balance value (proposed by Q in JIRA).
I modified the tooltip to reflect this new functionality.


This addresses bug STORM-524.
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-524


Diffs (updated)
-

  indra/newview/llbuycurrencyhtml.cpp 8668b574c1f3 
  indra/newview/llfloaterbuycurrency.cpp 8668b574c1f3 
  indra/newview/llfloaterbuycurrencyhtml.cpp 8668b574c1f3 
  indra/newview/llstatusbar.h 8668b574c1f3 
  indra/newview/llstatusbar.cpp 8668b574c1f3 
  indra/newview/skins/default/xui/en/panel_status_bar.xml 8668b574c1f3 

Diff: http://codereview.secondlife.com/r/6/diff


Testing
---


Thanks,

Merov

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Re: [opensource-dev] Linux 64bit and gstreamer

[Carlo Wood]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 09:33:36PM +0100, Altair Sythos Memo wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:51:54 -0500
> Mike Chase  wrote:
> 
> > Hi all, I have a new machine coming and given the amount of memory it 
> > has I'd really like to run it 64bit linux (probably ubuntu).  I'd
> > really like to stay with the ability to run SnowStorm (and the Mesh
> > viewer builds).  Can someone point me to a summary of 64bit support
> > for Linux for that series of viewers?  I know in the past I was able
> > to run a 32bit version but with no streaming media.  Thats a non
> > starter for me as I own a club in SL and its kinda nice to be able to
> > hear what's being played in the club.
> 
> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl

Huh huh... No need to install 32bit libs! Just compile the viewer
yourself! I've been running native 64 bit since day one.

-- 
Carlo Wood 
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Re: [opensource-dev] [SOLVED] Multiple Manifest Errors vs2005 pro builds

[Nicky Perian]

@Arrehn
 Thanks for the reply. I had Auto-updates on for windows only. Set it to 
Windows 
and other microsoft products and selected update for three times and several 
VS2005 updates were applied. With in VS2005 did Build->Clean and Build->Rebuild 
and all built including the Tests that in the past had been failing.





From: Arrehn Oberlander 
To: Nicky Perian 
Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 11:45:57 AM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Multiple Manifest Errors vs2005 pro builds

They can be exceeding aggravating. If you turn windows autoupdates on and run 
through windows update multiple times until you're fully patched, you should 
get 
the right downloads to resolve it.

One issue I hit was that the updates that resolved it didn't even show up in 
windows update until I turned auto updates on.




On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Nicky Perian  wrote:

I can't get past these multiple manifest errors. 
This http://pastebin.com/WFnt6YRb is a build log of viewer-development 2.5.0.0 
that was current as of yesterday Dec 9 ~ 1800Z. 
>
>
>I thought I was past this error at one time but, it is back. 
>Request suggestions to resolve.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nicky
>
>
>P.S. I isolated this build from my normal system inside Linux->Virtual Box-> 
>Windows XP Virtual Machine and
>got this same result.
>
>
>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Linux 64bit and gstreamer

[Mike Chase]

On 12/10/2010 08:06 PM, Carlo Wood wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 09:33:36PM +0100, Altair Sythos Memo wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:51:54 -0500
>> Mike Chase  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I have a new machine coming and given the amount of memory it
>>> has I'd really like to run it 64bit linux (probably ubuntu).  I'd
>>> really like to stay with the ability to run SnowStorm (and the Mesh
>>> viewer builds).  Can someone point me to a summary of 64bit support
>>> for Linux for that series of viewers?  I know in the past I was able
>>> to run a 32bit version but with no streaming media.  Thats a non
>>> starter for me as I own a club in SL and its kinda nice to be able to
>>> hear what's being played in the club.
>> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl
> Huh huh... No need to install 32bit libs! Just compile the viewer
> yourself! I've been running native 64 bit since day one.
>
Carlo, do you have a script or a pointer to the steps to do the build?  
Is it simply the standard steps or something special.

Mike

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Re: [opensource-dev] Upcoming depth-of-field feature

[Vector Hastings]

Awesome!! Haven't looked at it yet, but that is a very exciting prospect for
a Yuletime Toy!

Honestly, I really had put this on my list to santa. 

Cheers!

Vector Hastings.


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[mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of Nyx Linden
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 9:00 AM
To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Upcoming depth-of-field feature

Depth of Field is a quick feature one of our devs developed while 
looking into anti-aliasing bugs. It didn't take a substantial amount of 
time away from bug-hunting, and should be useful for a variety of 
purposes (photography and machinima for starters).

At this point it should be considered a toy, in that its a feature that 
hasn't yet been formally finished, debugged, qa'd, or had a good 
interface put on top of it. Feedback is appreciated for when we do 
prepare to polish it up of course.

As always, you can see the changes we've made in the mesh branch in our 
public repository:
http://hg.secondlife.com/mesh-development

You can always get the latest successful build of our changes here (link 
is also on the wiki downloads page):
http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/mesh-develop
ment/latest.html

Feedback is appreciated to be put into jira-form under the mesh beta 
project for specific bug reports and feature requests, or on the forums 
for any topics that could require discussion:
http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/forums/mesh

Thanks for noticing, and thanks for the feedback!

  -Nyx

On 11/25/2010 06:54 PM, Ricky wrote:
> Agreed, DOF is on my long-list not my short-list of things I'd like to
> see done.  However, I expect that SL's deferred rendering system has a
> laundry list of issues. Just look at it's history; it's been little
> more than a pet-project since it's inception.  A pet project with the
> capability to go far, but still just a pet project.  Getting the
> client into a stronger codebase (2.0) and then stabilized with very
> little new features has been the largest pushes in recent history.
>
> In fact, we've (LL and OS devs,) been working stability for so many
> months that it might be time to push for a cool, if small, new
> feature.  However, with the new level of visibility, it won't be as
> much a surprise. I hope.  From my reading here, most people don't like
> surprises! :P  Maybe something nice, like a good UI skinning system...
>   See http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Skinning#Phase_2_-_Switchable_Skins
>   Or maybe a roll-out of meshes, but I suspect that's wishing too hard!
> :P
>
> As to the original question about DoF, here's what is known:
>
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22depth+of+field%22
+OR+DOF+site:secondlife.com
> Which gives the following JIRAs:
> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-19244  PROFESSIoNAL TOOL:
> Snapshot: add functions: Dynamic Focus, Depth of field and Blurr
> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3921  photographic tools: DoF
>
> In VWR-3921 Adeon Writer pointed to this build of the mesh viewer:
>
http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/mesh-develop
ment/rev/215482/index.html
>
> Ricky
> Cron Stardust
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Geenz Spad  wrote:
>
>> I wonder how awesome it'll run on top of the already awesome deferred
>> renderer that has really awesome performance on really awesome video
cards
>> that have really awesome drivers?
>>
>> Honestly, as nifty as DOF is as far as the "pretty" factor is concerned,
>> right now the deferred renderer needs a few more optimizations before any
>> additional features are added to it, and it still needs a few more work
>> arounds for buggy drivers (for example, successfully running the deferred
>> renderer on ATI hardware still tends to vary from person to person,
>> depending on their hardware and driver combination).  On top of that, you
>> still need a pretty powerful video card in order to really take advantage
of
>> it, though I think that really has to do with bottle necks within the
>> rendering system as a whole, not just bottle necks presented by the
deferred
>> renderer its self (although deferred rendering does have it's own bottle
>> necks, and SL's deferred renderer in particular presents a few
interesting
>> ones of its own due to its flexibility).
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Ricky  wrote:
>>  
>>> Things ARE getting fixed, just look at the daily scrum reports or the
>>> progress tracking in the JIRA.  Also take note that sometimes "adding"
>>> a single feature will often resolve several bugs and feature requests.
>>>   For instance the Deferred rendering channel will add the ability to
>>> have greater than 7 light-sources, solving several issues with
>>> facelights and other lights taking out room lighting.
>>>
>>> As to optimization, things are pretty optimized.  Yes, they CAN get
>>> better, but without a majo