[opensource-dev] Display name chaos

[Erin Mallory]

so displaying display names fixes the fact that almost the entire contact list 
was showing up as ???-??? as were most group members and most people around me 
in local.  HOWEVER, ims are STILL logging to the same file (depending on 
operating system its either ???-???.xxx or .xxx.) making logs unusable.  
Can we please get this fixed.
Combined with the fraud, harassment, and other general chaos going on with 
display names, this is making SL into a very horrible user experience for many. 
(don't believe me?  look at the #secondlife and #slviewer2 threads on twitter, 
the forums, etc)
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[opensource-dev] What was the point of display names?

[SuezanneC Baskerville]

What is the point of display names?

How do display names benefit Linden Lab?


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[opensource-dev] Is the viewer going to start using the Jive SBS system for profiles and such?

[SuezanneC Baskerville]

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Re: [opensource-dev] What was the point of display names?

[Bunny Halberd]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:12 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville
 wrote:
> What is the point of display names?

Rough guess - the ability to change your user name has been a
requested feature for a long time. (ie, when you get partnered to
someone, being able to take your partner's name, etc)


> How do display names benefit Linden Lab?

Again, a guess, but, now the username is just one word instead of two.
This opens the door to things like Twitter and Facebook integration.

- Bunny
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Re: [opensource-dev] What was the point of display names?

[Ricky]

And to a simplified logon process using OpenID or other tools.

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Bunny Halberd  wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:12 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville
>  wrote:
>> What is the point of display names?
>
> Rough guess - the ability to change your user name has been a
> requested feature for a long time. (ie, when you get partnered to
> someone, being able to take your partner's name, etc)
>
>
>> How do display names benefit Linden Lab?
>
> Again, a guess, but, now the username is just one word instead of two.
> This opens the door to things like Twitter and Facebook integration.
>
> - Bunny
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Re: [opensource-dev] What was the point of display names?

[Bunny Halberd]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Ricky  wrote:
> And to a simplified logon process using OpenID or other tools.

Oh yeah, how could I forget about that? :)

As someone that runs a web service that's SL-centric, if LL were to
open up an auth system like Twitter uses for third party website
authentication, it could be a huge lead the way to a huge expansion of
web/SL integration. (I would happily start using it - it'd limit the
number of password reset request I have to deal with, etc!)

Not that LL is planning on doing that, but the foundation is being laid.

- Bunny
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Re: [opensource-dev] What was the point of display names?

[Argent Stonecutter]

On 2010-11-07, at 16:33, Bunny Halberd wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Ricky  wrote:
>> And to a simplified logon process using OpenID or other tools.

> Oh yeah, how could I forget about that? :)

There's no reason they couldn't accept "bunny.halberd" or "Bunny Halberd" as a 
login, and let people use "first.l...@..." for other services. Anyone who's up 
to dealing with third party services could manage that.

Basically, the only benefit Display Names provides that couldn't be implemented 
in the existing framework is Unicode titles.

And I'm still ticked off that my suggestion for a *new* merged account name was 
considered a justification for Display Names. Display Names satisfy none of the 
goals of that suggestion.

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[opensource-dev] Down tools and play the "game" -- was Re: What was the point of display names?

[Escort DeFarge]

How was this set of issues with "display names" not predictable or 
difficult to forsee?

I recommend that LL allow all LL developers to down tools and just 
"play" second life straight for one entire month and get a real Second 
Life for themselves - "players" of the game know that that will inform 
every thought and action, and lead to much better mutual understanding. 
Everyone seems so totally disconnected from everyone else in terms of 
agenda, that I think a shared experience (that is, after all what SL is 
all about) is genuinely the only cure.

IMHO :)

/esc

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[opensource-dev] Down tools and play the "game" -- was Re: What was the point of display names?

[aklo]

Excuse me, brief word from the lunatic fringe, here.  Some of us aren't so
giddy about the idea everyone has that SL is a "game" and what we do there
is "play" that game.  i wouldn't be making this noise that most of y'all
probably consider "embarrassing," or maybe like being the bad trip at a
big party except that:  for one, i know for sure i'm not the only one out
here on the edge (or over it, whatever); for two, i hate to see the
potential SL has being reduced by a lack of concern for more "serious"
attention; and three, i think that trying to think of all the people who
use SL - and might use it for whatever if it wasn't only treated like a
game -  as getting more out of it if people developing it would try to
think out of the game box.

Y'know what, i'll bet that a long time before meat people walk on Mars
virtual people will have been there getting real comfortable with the
place.  Like that.  There's lots more.  But i think mostly if development
thinks like some users might be real serious about all this stuff, then
development might be less inclined to make decisions to tell users what
they want and try to force them to use it, and more inclined to listen to
users and always be sure they have what they want.  It's a better business
model, for real.

'k, thx for listening.  Have a fun day!!

- AK

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How was this set of issues with "display names" not predictable or
difficult to forsee?

I recommend that LL allow all LL developers to down tools and just
"play" second life straight for one entire month and get a real Second
Life for themselves - "players" of the game know that that will inform
every thought and action, and lead to much better mutual understanding.
Everyone seems so totally disconnected from everyone else in terms of
agenda, that I think a shared experience (that is, after all what SL is
all about) is genuinely the only cure.

IMHO :)

/esc

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Re: [opensource-dev] Down tools and play the "game" -- was Re: What was the point of display names?

[Escort DeFarge]

Hi AK,

This was indeed why I quoted the words "play" and "game" and "players" 
in my first message.

I share your view, and it doesn't sound to me "fringe" in the least.

/esc


On 07/11/2010 18:29, a...@skyhighway.com wrote:
> Excuse me, brief word from the lunatic fringe, here.  Some of us aren't so
> giddy about the idea everyone has that SL is a "game" and what we do there
> is "play" that game.  i wouldn't be making this noise that most of y'all
> probably consider "embarrassing," or maybe like being the bad trip at a
> big party except that:  for one, i know for sure i'm not the only one out
> here on the edge (or over it, whatever); for two, i hate to see the
> potential SL has being reduced by a lack of concern for more "serious"
> attention; and three, i think that trying to think of all the people who
> use SL - and might use it for whatever if it wasn't only treated like a
> game -  as getting more out of it if people developing it would try to
> think out of the game box.
>
> Y'know what, i'll bet that a long time before meat people walk on Mars
> virtual people will have been there getting real comfortable with the
> place.  Like that.  There's lots more.  But i think mostly if development
> thinks like some users might be real serious about all this stuff, then
> development might be less inclined to make decisions to tell users what
> they want and try to force them to use it, and more inclined to listen to
> users and always be sure they have what they want.  It's a better business
> model, for real.
>
> 'k, thx for listening.  Have a fun day!!
>
> - AK
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> How was this set of issues with "display names" not predictable or
> difficult to forsee?
>
> I recommend that LL allow all LL developers to down tools and just
> "play" second life straight for one entire month and get a real Second
> Life for themselves - "players" of the game know that that will inform
> every thought and action, and lead to much better mutual understanding.
> Everyone seems so totally disconnected from everyone else in terms of
> agenda, that I think a shared experience (that is, after all what SL is
> all about) is genuinely the only cure.
>
> IMHO :)
>
> /esc
>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Down tools and play the "game" -- was Re: What was the point of display names?

[Scruffy]

Can we not have the whining about Display Names on here please?  It's
happening so get over it.
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Re: [opensource-dev] Down tools and play the "game" -- was Re: What was the point of display names?

[Moriz Gupte]

Thank you LL for at least considering to implement display names. This has
been a much needed functionality especially if Second Life is to deployed as
an instructional technology at par with any educational technology out
there. This matter has been debated for years. Yes there are problems with
Display Names as it stands but moving forward does not mean it should be
scrapped.
R

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Scruffy  wrote:

> Can we not have the whining about Display Names on here please?  It's
> happening so get over it.
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Re: [opensource-dev] What is the license status of UI sounds ?

[Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)]

On 2010-11-05 16:50, Henri Beauchamp wrote:
> These issues could easily be solved (I got a patch ready), provided the UI
> sounds could be distributed as part of the default skin (for example in
> /skins/default/sounds)...
> To do this however, we'd need to know what is the license status of the UI
> sounds: does LL allow TPV developpers to distribute them (under the Artistic
> License, for example, like for the UI artwork), and if yes under which
> License ?

This sounds like a very interesting contribution, Henri.

I'll look into the license issue.

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Re: [opensource-dev] Down tools and play the "game" -- was Re: What was the point of display names?

[Dave Booth]

On 11/7/2010 19:06, Scruffy wrote:
> Can we not have the whining about Display Names on here please?  It's 
> happening so get over it. 

of course its happening, but yes its relevant to this list - because it 
impacts several areas that are VERY significant to the folks that read 
it and try to contribute.
1: it impacts the viewer-side appearance of any scripted content that 
relies on knowing nearby names,
2: it impacts any inworld experience where a residents name has become 
synonymous with a brand
3: it impacts display of friends lists and logging behavior

I dont intend to argue against its implementation, that is LLs privilege 
and they are welcome to do it - I'd even welcome it for some of the RP 
scenarios I am a member of.  However, its implementation has holes I 
could drive a Mack through without touching the sides. The vast majority 
of these problems would go away with one simple change to its 
implementation - disallow the use of an existing username as a display 
name unless the avatar in question is logged in on that username. if 
that were implemented it WOULD take display names out of any viewer-side 
context, but the word we have right now is that that isnt going to 
happen - even though it would only take a simple username lookup for the 
selected display name at any change, real trivial. So we have to discuss 
and deal with the viewer-side issues, given that  as you remind us, it 
IS going to happen.
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Re: [opensource-dev] Is the viewer going to start using the Jive SBS system for profiles and such?

[Yoz Grahame]

No.

On 7 November 2010 13:13, SuezanneC Baskerville  wrote:

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Re: [opensource-dev] Is the viewer going to start using the Jive SBS system for profiles and such?

[SuezanneC Baskerville]

Thanks; it's good to read some good news.

I wonder what the expanded profiles will be like.

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Yoz Grahame  wrote:

> No.
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> On 7 November 2010 13:13, SuezanneC Baskerville wrote:
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