[opensource-dev] Today's new Beta Viewer
Is there a reason why 213435 seems identical to last week's 212977? Or am I missing something? ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Today's new Beta Viewer
Most of the stuff included are probably minor UI fixes (low resolution screws up layout, for example) and crash fixes. I haven't read the changelog yet, though, so I don't really know. Rob On 11/4/2010 3:55 AM, Hitomi Tiponi wrote: Is there a reason why 213435 seems identical to last week's 212977? Or am I missing something? ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Today's new Beta Viewer
See http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Beta_Viewer/2.3.0 -- cg On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Rob Nelson wrote: > Most of the stuff included are probably minor UI fixes (low resolution > screws up layout, for example) and crash fixes. I haven't read the > changelog yet, though, so I don't really know. > > Rob > > > On 11/4/2010 3:55 AM, Hitomi Tiponi wrote: > > Is there a reason why 213435 seems identical to last week's 212977? Or > am I missing something? > > > ___ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available > here:http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges > > > > ___ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges > ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup
Thank you Esbee for sharing it with us ! I have two remarks/wishes : 1 : Can we have our regular text chat logs back please ? Not replacing the new llsd ones, but just feeding TWO chat logs and TWO IM logs (per avatar) at the same time ? That would greatly help those who like to skim through text logs without having to wait for an hypothetical tool in the viewer (besides we don't always skim our logs while online anyway). Perhaps an option in the prefs to turn this dual logging on/off would be good for those who are concerned about disk usage. 2 : Can we have the "Block list" and "Block button" renamed back to "Mute list" and "Mute button" please ? I don't see the reason behind this change from 1.23 to 2.0 and now it is hard to explain how to unblock/unmute someone depending on the viewer the person I am talking to is using. There was nothing wrong with the "mute" word, was there ? Thank you ! Marine On 4 November 2010 19:13, Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle wrote: > Hi all, > > Attached is the design work for the clean-up of the preferences floater > that the Snowstorm Team hopes to implement in Sprint 7. > > If you'd like to review and send any questions, comments, or general > feedback, I'll take that and integrate back into the design. I'd like to get > as much feedback as I can before the end of the day Friday, so I can make > any necessary revisions and get it to the team ready to for work on Monday. > In the meantime, I'll post updates as I have them! > > Thanks! > > Best, > Esbee > > > > ___ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges > ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup
Looks good to me. On pg 13 you note about area for 'skining' features, well some of those features might call for a full viewer restart as they would actually involve changing the actual png files used ie if they are a different color like the 'silver' skin in the old viewer or like the semi- transparent ones I use in my v-d builds for personal use that give some but not all of the windows a 'glassed' appearance. From: opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com [mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:13 PM To: OpenSource Mailing List Cc: snowstorm Subject: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup Hi all, Attached is the design work for the clean-up of the preferences floater that the Snowstorm Team hopes to implement in Sprint 7. If you'd like to review and send any questions, comments, or general feedback, I'll take that and integrate back into the design. I'd like to get as much feedback as I can before the end of the day Friday, so I can make any necessary revisions and get it to the team ready to for work on Monday. In the meantime, I'll post updates as I have them! Thanks! Best, Esbee _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3236 - Release Date: 11/03/10 ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup
P 10 of 14, first check box .. Presume that should read "When I spend or get L$" (not "of get"). From: "Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:13:14 -0400 To: OpenSource Mailing List Cc: snowstorm Subject: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup Hi all, Attached is the design work for the clean-up of the preferences floater that the Snowstorm Team hopes to implement in Sprint 7. If you'd like to review and send any questions, comments, or general feedback, I'll take that and integrate back into the design. I'd like to get as much feedback as I can before the end of the day Friday, so I can make any necessary revisions and get it to the team ready to for work on Monday. In the meantime, I'll post updates as I have them! Thanks! Best, Esbee ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup
I agree with both things stated here, and also ask that we please add in the the ability to change the numerical debug settings for sculpties into preferences AND re-add the local lights on and off under the advanced graphics menu. BOTH of these functions are used allot by builders, photographers, and cinematographers... Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:52:16 +0100 From: marinekel...@gmail.com To: es...@lindenlab.com CC: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com; snowst...@lists.lindenlab.com Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup Thank you Esbee for sharing it with us ! I have two remarks/wishes : 1 : Can we have our regular text chat logs back please ? Not replacing the new llsd ones, but just feeding TWO chat logs and TWO IM logs (per avatar) at the same time ? That would greatly help those who like to skim through text logs without having to wait for an hypothetical tool in the viewer (besides we don't always skim our logs while online anyway). Perhaps an option in the prefs to turn this dual logging on/off would be good for those who are concerned about disk usage. 2 : Can we have the "Block list" and "Block button" renamed back to "Mute list" and "Mute button" please ? I don't see the reason behind this change from 1.23 to 2.0 and now it is hard to explain how to unblock/unmute someone depending on the viewer the person I am talking to is using. There was nothing wrong with the "mute" word, was there ? Thank you ! Marine On 4 November 2010 19:13, Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle wrote: Hi all, Attached is the design work for the clean-up of the preferences floater that the Snowstorm Team hopes to implement in Sprint 7. If you'd like to review and send any questions, comments, or general feedback, I'll take that and integrate back into the design. I'd like to get as much feedback as I can before the end of the day Friday, so I can make any necessary revisions and get it to the team ready to for work on Monday. In the meantime, I'll post updates as I have them! Thanks! Best, Esbee ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup
Looking good so far. I can think of a couple more debug/menu settings I would love to see brought forward, but some of them might be too much. I'd suggest a new tab titled "Animations" that would provide control over the default animations, and could be later turned into a full AO preference system. The tab would start by containing the following items: * Move avatar lips when speaking (Currently being thought to be moved to the Sound & Media tab.) * Play animation while typing (Checkbox - currently under the Debug Setting "PlayTypingAnim") * Play animation when taking a snapshot (Checkbax - currently under the Debug Setting "QuietSnapshotsToDisk" with inverted logic) These we've been guiding people to for a while, as they cause some serious distractions in a meeting setting. In the future it might be a good idea to be able to select from alternate animations in this menu for each animation event. Not sure how that would be usefully implemented, but is an option. (And yes, I've worked with the anim overrider built into Imprudence... It's not exactly user friendly, but is pretty good for the current constraints. I think there might be a better way, but it might be complex.) Ricky Cron Stardust PS: Speaking of debugs settings, I've noticed that that list is seriously crufty. A lot of the settings only made sense, or did anything, in the 1.x viewers. Most aren't names consistently, etc. What would it take to clean them up? Just a cleanup JIRA entry + patch someone would have to make, or would it require more extensive review? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle wrote: > Hi all, > > Attached is the design work for the clean-up of the preferences floater that > the Snowstorm Team hopes to implement in Sprint 7. > > If you'd like to review and send any questions, comments, or general > feedback, I'll take that and integrate back into the design. I'd like to get > as much feedback as I can before the end of the day Friday, so I can make > any necessary revisions and get it to the team ready to for work on Monday. > In the meantime, I'll post updates as I have them! > > Thanks! > > Best, > Esbee > > > > ___ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges > ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup
the local lights especially have a number of jira issues that the missing toggle is listed in: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SH-157 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-23190 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-20416 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-15114 (which REALLY needs to be imported and worked on as it would solve numerous other issues as well) https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-21148 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-19968 and these are what i found in the first 3 minutes From: angel_of_crim...@hotmail.com To: marinekel...@gmail.com; es...@lindenlab.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:03:57 -0400 CC: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com; snowst...@lists.lindenlab.com Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup I agree with both things stated here, and also ask that we please add in the the ability to change the numerical debug settings for sculpties into preferences AND re-add the local lights on and off under the advanced graphics menu. BOTH of these functions are used allot by builders, photographers, and cinematographers... Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:52:16 +0100 From: marinekel...@gmail.com To: es...@lindenlab.com CC: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com; snowst...@lists.lindenlab.com Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup Thank you Esbee for sharing it with us ! I have two remarks/wishes : 1 : Can we have our regular text chat logs back please ? Not replacing the new llsd ones, but just feeding TWO chat logs and TWO IM logs (per avatar) at the same time ? That would greatly help those who like to skim through text logs without having to wait for an hypothetical tool in the viewer (besides we don't always skim our logs while online anyway). Perhaps an option in the prefs to turn this dual logging on/off would be good for those who are concerned about disk usage. 2 : Can we have the "Block list" and "Block button" renamed back to "Mute list" and "Mute button" please ? I don't see the reason behind this change from 1.23 to 2.0 and now it is hard to explain how to unblock/unmute someone depending on the viewer the person I am talking to is using. There was nothing wrong with the "mute" word, was there ? Thank you ! Marine On 4 November 2010 19:13, Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle wrote: Hi all, Attached is the design work for the clean-up of the preferences floater that the Snowstorm Team hopes to implement in Sprint 7. If you'd like to review and send any questions, comments, or general feedback, I'll take that and integrate back into the design. I'd like to get as much feedback as I can before the end of the day Friday, so I can make any necessary revisions and get it to the team ready to for work on Monday. In the meantime, I'll post updates as I have them! Thanks! Best, Esbee ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup
Thanks for the Preferences mock-up (must say that I rather like the anime look of them :)) - some really sensible stuff there. Suggestions (all currently in Debug Settings): * Chat - adjustable life and fade times for Startup, IM and Group popups - I find they are too short for me to spot sometimes * Chat - Add in spinners to alter the number of times that IM tabs flash and the rate at which they flash at * Advanced - Move 'UI Size' slider to Graphics as KL and myself have done - it fits more naturally there * Graphics->Hardware - allow forcing on of Antialiasing (as the Viewer GPU presets often gets this wrong) or better still fix the presets :) * Move & View - put in spinners for amount of head movement * Move & View - Checkbox to allow double-click point-move in-world as an alternative to double-click teleport (which is welcome) * Move & View - Checkbox for 'Number keys move avatar' * Privacy - Check-box to select option to also create user-readable chat logs (as others have suggested) * Advanced - Checkbox for 'Show Grid Selection at login' * Advanced - Checkbox for 'Disable Camera Constraints' * Advanced - Checkbox for 'Limit the distance I can select objects at' and sliders/spinners for selection distance and amount you can drag in one step * Advanced - Checkbox for 'Show UI in snapshots' ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup
I keep seeing people talking about user readable chat logs and from what I’m seeing in the current dev builds the logs are already back to plain text. I’m currently working on a feature that is dealing with chat and group/personal IM logs. From: opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com [mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of Hitomi Tiponi Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:37 PM To: Opensource_dev Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Request for feedback - Preferences Cleanup Thanks for the Preferences mock-up (must say that I rather like the anime look of them :)) - some really sensible stuff there. Suggestions (all currently in Debug Settings): * Chat - adjustable life and fade times for Startup, IM and Group popups - I find they are too short for me to spot sometimes * Chat - Add in spinners to alter the number of times that IM tabs flash and the rate at which they flash at * Advanced - Move 'UI Size' slider to Graphics as KL and myself have done - it fits more naturally there * Graphics->Hardware - allow forcing on of Antialiasing (as the Viewer GPU presets often gets this wrong) or better still fix the presets :) * Move & View - put in spinners for amount of head movement * Move & View - Checkbox to allow double-click point-move in-world as an alternative to double-click teleport (which is welcome) * Move & View - Checkbox for 'Number keys move avatar' * Privacy - Check-box to select option to also create user-readable chat logs (as others have suggested) <- this is what I’m referring to. * Advanced - Checkbox for 'Show Grid Selection at login' * Advanced - Checkbox for 'Disable Camera Constraints' * Advanced - Checkbox for 'Limit the distance I can select objects at' and sliders/spinners for selection distance and amount you can drag in one step * Advanced - Checkbox for 'Show UI in snapshots' _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3236 - Release Date: 11/03/10 ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
