Re: [opensource-dev] Project-MESH viewer

[Trilo Byte]

Big fail there, Oz.  None of the machines I've tested on have working 
anti-aliasing (on the Mac client), either in the subsequent developer snapshots 
or the official release you guys let get out the door.

TriloByte

On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote:

>  On 2010-10-15 18:00, Trilo Byte wrote:
>> But on the flipside, the Project MESH viewer has working shadows for nVidia 
>> GPU's on Mac (never happened before on any known config), and 
>> anti-aliasing's fixed.  If we could get that bit out of the mesh viewer and 
>> into the 2.2 pipeline, we'd really be in great shape IMO.
> 
> The AA fix is in the 2.2 pipeline (I did that merge) ... not sure about 
> the other (since I don't know which change that was).
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Re: [opensource-dev] Fermi Viewer

[Argent Stonecutter]

On 2010-10-18, at 12:08, Daniel Smith wrote:
> would be better all around.. for the community to say .. hold up.. how to 
> merge the best of 1.x and 2.x

We already have that. It's called 1.x.
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Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff I'd like to see in the coming sprint

[Argent Stonecutter]

On 2010-10-19, at 09:05, Boroondas Gupte wrote:

> Heya
> 
> Sprint planning meeting is later today, so I thought it'd be good to list 
> some issues that I think should be tackled soon:
> Low hanging fruits

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17011
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[opensource-dev] Esbee's office hours canceled today.

[Sarah (Esbee) Hutchinson]

I'll be out of the office this morning, so my office hours will be canceled
for this week. We'll resume next week!

Best,
Esbee
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[opensource-dev] FW: STORM-255 Project Build posted

[WolfPup Lowenhar]

Thank you Oz for doing that. 

 

Fellow OS dev's please let me know of any changes that might be need. And
also translations would be helpful as well.

 

From: Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) [mailto:o...@lindenlab.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:46 PM
To: Esbee Linden (Sarah Hutchinson); WolfPup Lowenhar
Subject: STORM-255 Project Build posted

 

  I've posted a set of Developer builds at

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Downloading_test_builds#Developer_Builds

that contain WolfPups changes for STORM-255 (disable group and im
toasts).   I've pushed the corresponding sources to
ssh://h...@bitbucket.org/oz_linden/storm-255 (WolfPup - you have write
access to that repo).

Perhaps we can use these to begin a review and discussion of how to
resolve this Story.

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Re: [opensource-dev] FW: STORM-255 Project Build posted

[Robert Martin]

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:56 AM, WolfPup Lowenhar
 wrote:
> Thank you Oz for doing that.
>
>
>
> Fellow OS dev’s please let me know of any changes that might be need. And
> also translations would be helpful as well.
>
>
err a bit of a doc bug "Both Linden Lab and Thrid Party Viewers (TPV)
may post links "

I dunno what a thrid party viewer would be :)
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Re: [opensource-dev] FW: STORM-255 Project Build posted

[WolfPup Lowenhar]

Third Party Viewer's would be:

 

Pheniox

Kristine's

Imprudence

 

Basically any viewer that do not say SecondLife.

 

From: Robert Martin [mailto:robertl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:43 AM
To: WolfPup Lowenhar
Cc: OpenSource Mailing List
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] FW: STORM-255 Project Build posted

 

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:56 AM, WolfPup Lowenhar
 wrote:
> Thank you Oz for doing that.
>
>
>
> Fellow OS dev's please let me know of any changes that might be need. And
> also translations would be helpful as well.
>
>
err a bit of a doc bug "Both Linden Lab and Thrid Party Viewers (TPV)
may post links "

I dunno what a thrid party viewer would be :)
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Re: [opensource-dev] FW: STORM-255 Project Build posted

[Ricky]

I do believe WoldPup was pointing out a typo: thrid vs third...

Ricky
Cron Stardust

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:40 AM, WolfPup Lowenhar
 wrote:
> Third Party Viewer’s would be:
>
>
>
> Pheniox
>
> Kristine’s
>
> Imprudence
>
>
>
> Basically any viewer that do not say SecondLife.
>
>
>
> From: Robert Martin [mailto:robertl...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:43 AM
> To: WolfPup Lowenhar
> Cc: OpenSource Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] FW: STORM-255 Project Build posted
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:56 AM, WolfPup Lowenhar
>  wrote:
>> Thank you Oz for doing that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fellow OS dev’s please let me know of any changes that might be need. And
>> also translations would be helpful as well.
>>
>>
> err a bit of a doc bug "Both Linden Lab and Thrid Party Viewers (TPV)
> may post links "
>
> I dunno what a thrid party viewer would be :)
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Re: [opensource-dev] Fermi Viewer

[Daniel Smith]

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Argent Stonecutter  wrote:

> On 2010-10-18, at 12:08, Daniel Smith wrote:
> > would be better all around.. for the community to say .. hold up.. how to
> merge the best of 1.x and 2.x
>
> We already have that. It's called 1.x.


{   "remarkAnswer" :  "hee hee - but it doesnt have the two Ms",
 "theMs" : {
  "M1":  "MOAP",
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[opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[malachi]

Of all the developers who are working on the client someone has to be  
smart enough to implement this.

For you windows developers who are using Visual Studio, When you type a  
function name and get to the ( point of the function it pops a tip up  
telling you what is needed to complete this function. I believe it is  
called intellisense. I could be mistaken. Why can we not have the same  
type of script editor? An auto complete type of compiler for the editor.  
As we type in our scripts popups would help us complete what it is we are  
typing. this would increase speed of script writing, help beginners learn  
LSL programming faster, and simplify the process. this is just my  
thoughts. it is already implemented in LSLEditor just figured it could be  
done in the client as well.


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Re: [opensource-dev] Project-MESH viewer

[Kent Quirk (Q Linden)]

So our old version of full-screen antialiasing (FSAA) was causing crashes. We 
have made changes to the supporting infrastructure for stability; these changes 
meant that some machines that used to do FSAA no longer could.

We had a bug under windows that was causing the new mechanism to break. We 
fixed that for windows -- but we have another issue on macs. There is code in 
the mesh viewer that supports FSAA on macs; it's a bit big to pull over easily 
to viewer-development. 

It was my fault that I didn't realize that our fix to 2.2 didn't address macs 
properly until quite late in the release process. We chose to ship without the 
feature on Macs for this release. Macs are a small subset of our user base, and 
this feature only affects a subset of those users, and we felt that we should 
not hold up release for this issue. It's also my fault that I didn't call it 
out for release noting. I'm sorry about that.

We do intend to restore full functioning FSAA on all capable platforms soon, 
hopefully with 2.3. If this affected you, I apologize.

Q

On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:17 AM, Trilo Byte wrote:

> Big fail there, Oz.  None of the machines I've tested on have working 
> anti-aliasing (on the Mac client), either in the subsequent developer 
> snapshots or the official release you guys let get out the door.
> 
> TriloByte
> 
> On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote:
> 
>> On 2010-10-15 18:00, Trilo Byte wrote:
>>> But on the flipside, the Project MESH viewer has working shadows for nVidia 
>>> GPU's on Mac (never happened before on any known config), and 
>>> anti-aliasing's fixed.  If we could get that bit out of the mesh viewer and 
>>> into the 2.2 pipeline, we'd really be in great shape IMO.
>> 
>> The AA fix is in the 2.2 pipeline (I did that merge) ... not sure about 
>> the other (since I don't know which change that was).
>> 
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Re: [opensource-dev] Tools of the trade.

[Kent Quirk (Q Linden)]

We've been having this discussion internally for some time. There's a lot of 
friction because a) we have to update lots of developers, and b) we have to 
rebuild all the libraries and distribute them internally.

We've been working on a tool called autobuild which will automate this process; 
it's almost ready. It should make it lots easier for us as well as opensource 
developers to get a build up and running, and will centralize the tool 
decisions so that we can finally upgrade fairly easily.

Q


On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:21 AM, Brandon Husbands wrote:

> I understand that Licensing costs money but I do have a question. It is 
> almost 2011 That's 6 years after Visual Studio was released.
> I also know there are patches floating around for cmake and various other 
> things that make VS2k8 compile properly. So I ask this, when is LL going to 
> drop vs2k5 as the "Supported" MS compiler? With c++0x Standard actually being 
> implimented with some methods in vs2k8 and mostly in 2k10. Is it not time to 
> really update our default toolset?
> 
> At least lets get the patches in to fix 2k8, and get it officially supported. 
> I despise 2k5, 28k is pretty solid now. 2k10 seems to be the vista of IDE's 
> maybe 2k11 will be the win 7 =) Mostly due to the project based settings 
> instead of global IDE includes which is a PITA even with Cmake. 
> 
> Id like to get LL's response on how long are we going to be stuck with 2k5 as 
> the "official" compiler/ide. 
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Dave Booth]

On 10/20/2010 13:20, malachi wrote:
> Of all the developers who are working on the client someone has to be
> smart enough to implement this.
>
> For you windows developers who are using Visual Studio, When you type a
> function name and get to the ( point of the function it pops a tip up
> telling you what is needed to complete this function. I believe it is
> called intellisense. I could be mistaken. Why can we not have the same
> type of script editor? An auto complete type of compiler for the editor.
> As we type in our scripts popups would help us complete what it is we are
> typing. this would increase speed of script writing, help beginners learn
> LSL programming faster, and simplify the process. this is just my
> thoughts. it is already implemented in LSLEditor just figured it could be
> done in the client as well.

hover the mouse over the highlighted function name and you get a tip 
popup showing the functions prototype. Personally I prefer this to 
environments where the popup happens automatically - the popup would be 
a distraction for the functions I use really frequently and never need 
reminding about their parameters but I'll use the tip to remind myself 
of the correct parameter order for those I use infrequently. Perhaps 
this should be a selectable behaviour - Theres already a hook to spot 
when a function name is typed and highlight it, possibly leverage that 
and have function tip popups in the editor be on-hover, on-highlight or off?

Dave.
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Ricky]

I think the idea here is to have the popup capable of doing
auto-completion.  This would save a load of time, as well as make it
easier to script, IMHO.

An alternative would be to expand the usefulness of the code insert
dropdown by having it add the parens and properties for events and
functions using default values/place holders such as is seen in the
hover tips.

Ricky
Cron Stardust

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dave Booth  wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 13:20, malachi wrote:
>> Of all the developers who are working on the client someone has to be
>> smart enough to implement this.
>>
>> For you windows developers who are using Visual Studio, When you type a
>> function name and get to the ( point of the function it pops a tip up
>> telling you what is needed to complete this function. I believe it is
>> called intellisense. I could be mistaken. Why can we not have the same
>> type of script editor? An auto complete type of compiler for the editor.
>> As we type in our scripts popups would help us complete what it is we are
>> typing. this would increase speed of script writing, help beginners learn
>> LSL programming faster, and simplify the process. this is just my
>> thoughts. it is already implemented in LSLEditor just figured it could be
>> done in the client as well.
>
> hover the mouse over the highlighted function name and you get a tip
> popup showing the functions prototype. Personally I prefer this to
> environments where the popup happens automatically - the popup would be
> a distraction for the functions I use really frequently and never need
> reminding about their parameters but I'll use the tip to remind myself
> of the correct parameter order for those I use infrequently. Perhaps
> this should be a selectable behaviour - Theres already a hook to spot
> when a function name is typed and highlight it, possibly leverage that
> and have function tip popups in the editor be on-hover, on-highlight or off?
>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[SuezanneC Baskerville]

I'd be pleased if the popup tip remained visible somewhere. My short term
memory is bad, if there are many parameters I have to make the popup appear
more than once.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Ricky  wrote:

> I think the idea here is to have the popup capable of doing
> auto-completion.  This would save a load of time, as well as make it
> easier to script, IMHO.
>
> An alternative would be to expand the usefulness of the code insert
> dropdown by having it add the parens and properties for events and
> functions using default values/place holders such as is seen in the
> hover tips.
>
> Ricky
> Cron Stardust
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dave Booth 
> wrote:
> > On 10/20/2010 13:20, malachi wrote:
> >> Of all the developers who are working on the client someone has to be
> >> smart enough to implement this.
> >>
> >> For you windows developers who are using Visual Studio, When you type a
> >> function name and get to the ( point of the function it pops a tip up
> >> telling you what is needed to complete this function. I believe it is
> >> called intellisense. I could be mistaken. Why can we not have the same
> >> type of script editor? An auto complete type of compiler for the editor.
> >> As we type in our scripts popups would help us complete what it is we
> are
> >> typing. this would increase speed of script writing, help beginners
> learn
> >> LSL programming faster, and simplify the process. this is just my
> >> thoughts. it is already implemented in LSLEditor just figured it could
> be
> >> done in the client as well.
> >
> > hover the mouse over the highlighted function name and you get a tip
> > popup showing the functions prototype. Personally I prefer this to
> > environments where the popup happens automatically - the popup would be
> > a distraction for the functions I use really frequently and never need
> > reminding about their parameters but I'll use the tip to remind myself
> > of the correct parameter order for those I use infrequently. Perhaps
> > this should be a selectable behaviour - Theres already a hook to spot
> > when a function name is typed and highlight it, possibly leverage that
> > and have function tip popups in the editor be on-hover, on-highlight or
> off?
> >
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Frans]

I have the same problem as Suezanne. When I use the popup is usually for
something longwinded and frequently have to make the popup appear several
times. If the popup would appear automatically and I could hit tab,space or
enter to have it auto complete that would be perfect.

Frans

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:08 AM, SuezanneC Baskerville
wrote:

> I'd be pleased if the popup tip remained visible somewhere. My short term
> memory is bad, if there are many parameters I have to make the popup appear
> more than once.
>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Ricky]

It used to stay up until clicked on or until certain characters were
typed... Got in the the way at times, but was quite useful.


On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:08 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville
 wrote:
> I'd be pleased if the popup tip remained visible somewhere. My short term
> memory is bad, if there are many parameters I have to make the popup appear
> more than once.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Ricky  wrote:
>>
>> I think the idea here is to have the popup capable of doing
>> auto-completion.  This would save a load of time, as well as make it
>> easier to script, IMHO.
>>
>> An alternative would be to expand the usefulness of the code insert
>> dropdown by having it add the parens and properties for events and
>> functions using default values/place holders such as is seen in the
>> hover tips.
>>
>> Ricky
>> Cron Stardust
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dave Booth 
>> wrote:
>> > On 10/20/2010 13:20, malachi wrote:
>> >> Of all the developers who are working on the client someone has to be
>> >> smart enough to implement this.
>> >>
>> >> For you windows developers who are using Visual Studio, When you type a
>> >> function name and get to the ( point of the function it pops a tip up
>> >> telling you what is needed to complete this function. I believe it is
>> >> called intellisense. I could be mistaken. Why can we not have the same
>> >> type of script editor? An auto complete type of compiler for the
>> >> editor.
>> >> As we type in our scripts popups would help us complete what it is we
>> >> are
>> >> typing. this would increase speed of script writing, help beginners
>> >> learn
>> >> LSL programming faster, and simplify the process. this is just my
>> >> thoughts. it is already implemented in LSLEditor just figured it could
>> >> be
>> >> done in the client as well.
>> >
>> > hover the mouse over the highlighted function name and you get a tip
>> > popup showing the functions prototype. Personally I prefer this to
>> > environments where the popup happens automatically - the popup would be
>> > a distraction for the functions I use really frequently and never need
>> > reminding about their parameters but I'll use the tip to remind myself
>> > of the correct parameter order for those I use infrequently. Perhaps
>> > this should be a selectable behaviour - Theres already a hook to spot
>> > when a function name is typed and highlight it, possibly leverage that
>> > and have function tip popups in the editor be on-hover, on-highlight or
>> > off?
>> >
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Ponzu]

Make the script editor use vi.


On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Ricky  wrote:

> It used to stay up until clicked on or until certain characters were
> typed... Got in the the way at times, but was quite useful.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:08 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville
>  wrote:
> > I'd be pleased if the popup tip remained visible somewhere. My short term
> > memory is bad, if there are many parameters I have to make the popup
> appear
> > more than once.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Ricky  wrote:
> >>
> >> I think the idea here is to have the popup capable of doing
> >> auto-completion.  This would save a load of time, as well as make it
> >> easier to script, IMHO.
> >>
> >> An alternative would be to expand the usefulness of the code insert
> >> dropdown by having it add the parens and properties for events and
> >> functions using default values/place holders such as is seen in the
> >> hover tips.
> >>
> >> Ricky
> >> Cron Stardust
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dave Booth 
> >> wrote:
> >> > On 10/20/2010 13:20, malachi wrote:
> >> >> Of all the developers who are working on the client someone has to be
> >> >> smart enough to implement this.
> >> >>
> >> >> For you windows developers who are using Visual Studio, When you type
> a
> >> >> function name and get to the ( point of the function it pops a tip up
> >> >> telling you what is needed to complete this function. I believe it is
> >> >> called intellisense. I could be mistaken. Why can we not have the
> same
> >> >> type of script editor? An auto complete type of compiler for the
> >> >> editor.
> >> >> As we type in our scripts popups would help us complete what it is we
> >> >> are
> >> >> typing. this would increase speed of script writing, help beginners
> >> >> learn
> >> >> LSL programming faster, and simplify the process. this is just my
> >> >> thoughts. it is already implemented in LSLEditor just figured it
> could
> >> >> be
> >> >> done in the client as well.
> >> >
> >> > hover the mouse over the highlighted function name and you get a tip
> >> > popup showing the functions prototype. Personally I prefer this to
> >> > environments where the popup happens automatically - the popup would
> be
> >> > a distraction for the functions I use really frequently and never need
> >> > reminding about their parameters but I'll use the tip to remind myself
> >> > of the correct parameter order for those I use infrequently. Perhaps
> >> > this should be a selectable behaviour - Theres already a hook to spot
> >> > when a function name is typed and highlight it, possibly leverage that
> >> > and have function tip popups in the editor be on-hover, on-highlight
> or
> >> > off?
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[opensource-dev] Latest build broken on Mac

[Ponzu]

...or maybe it is just me.  I used hg bisect to find the " last good build",
(see bottom of this email)  Maybe I need to download new FMOD or something.

./develop.py dies like this...

Running 'cmake -G \'Xcode\' -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE:STRING=RELWITHDEBINFO
-DSTANDALONE:BOOL=OFF -DUNATTENDED:BOOL=OFF -DWORD_SIZE:STRING=32
-DROOT_PROJECT_NAME:STRING=SecondLife OFF ""
\'/Users/elee/Documents/hg/ponzu-main/indra\'' in 'build-darwin-i386'
ssh: connect to host install-packages.lindenlab.com port 22: Operation timed
out
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "install.py", line 1150, in 
md5 mismatch:
/private/var/tmp/elee/install.cache/fmod-3.75-darwin-20080818.tar.bz2
sys.exit(main())
  File "install.py", line 1142, in main
Downloading 
scp:install-packages.lindenlab.com:/local/www/install-packages/doc/fmod-3.75-darwin-20080818.tar.bz2
to local file
/private/var/tmp/elee/install.cache/fmod-3.75-darwin-20080818.tar.bz2
options.scp)
  File "install.py", line 636, in do_install
cache_dir)
  File "install.py", line 595, in install
ifile.fetch_local()
  File "install.py", line 135, in fetch_local
file(self.filename, 'wb').write(urllib2.urlopen(self.url).read())
  File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/urllib2.py",
line 124, in urlopen
return _opener.open(url, data, timeout)
  File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/urllib2.py",
line 383, in open
response = self._open(req, data)
  File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/urllib2.py",
line 401, in _open
'_open', req)
  File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/urllib2.py",
line 361, in _call_chain
result = func(*args)
  File "install.py", line 670, in scp_open
return self.do_scp(remote)
  File "install.py", line 701, in do_scp
raise RuntimeError("Cannot fetch: %s" % remote)
RuntimeError: Cannot fetch: install-packages.lindenlab.com:
/local/www/install-packages/doc/fmod-3.75-darwin-20080818.tar.bz2
CMake Error at cmake/Prebuilt.cmake:39 (message):
  Failed to download or unpack prebuilt 'fmod'.  Process returned 1.
Call Stack (most recent call first):
  cmake/FMOD.cmake:10 (use_prebuilt_binary)
  llaudio/CMakeLists.txt:8 (include)


Final output of hg bisect.

-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
Error: the command 'cmake' exited with status 1
Changeset 13107:e37e63e56bb1: bad
resolving manifests
The first bad revision is:
changeset:   13107:e37e63e56bb1
parent:  12562:a5f3c123758e
user:Merov Linden 
date:Sat Oct 02 18:30:52 2010 -0700
files:   indra/cmake/CMakeLists.txt indra/cmake/Copy3rdPartyLibs.cmake
indra/cmake/FMOD.cmake indra/cmake/FindFMOD.cmake
indra/newview/CMakeLists.txt indra/newview/viewer_manifest.py
description:
STORM-137 : Build script modif so that Windows build does not rely on
fmod.dll being dropped in the source tree + addition to allow fmod to be
found in standalone. Caution: wait an upcoming install.xml commit before
pulling if building internaly.
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Brandon Husbands]

I will submit my external editor patch to snow storm

On Oct 20, 2010 5:39 PM, "Ponzu"  wrote:

Make the script editor use vi.




On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Ricky  wrote:
>
> It used to stay up until cli...

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[opensource-dev] STORM-406: Conditional use of FMOD is not correct, breaks open source build (was: Latest build broken on Mac)

[Boroondas Gupte]

 On 10/21/2010 12:43 AM, Ponzu wrote:
> ...or maybe it is just me.  I used hg bisect to find the " last good
> build", (see bottom of this email)  Maybe I need to download new FMOD
> or something.
>
> ./develop.py dies like this...
>
> [...]
> RuntimeError: Cannot fetch:
> install-packages.lindenlab.com:/local/www/install-packages/doc/fmod-3.75-darwin-20080818.tar.bz2
That'd be STORM-406 .

Cheers,
Boroondas
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Ricky]

lol... That comment reminds me of this (tongue-in-cheek,) graphic
representing the learning curves for a variety of common editors:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/steverowe/archive/2004/11/17/code-editor-learning-curves.aspx

vi indeed...  I'm a pico guy myself, but I'll stoop to using
Programmer's Notepad, TextWrangler, or even Eclipse depending on
platform and language...  All I ever learnt of vi was how to quit, and
that took some hunting and help!

:q!  (while you're ahead)

Ricky
Cron Stadust

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Ponzu  wrote:
> Make the script editor use vi.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Ricky  wrote:
>>
>> It used to stay up until clicked on or until certain characters were
>> typed... Got in the the way at times, but was quite useful.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:08 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville
>>  wrote:
>> > I'd be pleased if the popup tip remained visible somewhere. My short
>> > term
>> > memory is bad, if there are many parameters I have to make the popup
>> > appear
>> > more than once.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Ricky  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think the idea here is to have the popup capable of doing
>> >> auto-completion.  This would save a load of time, as well as make it
>> >> easier to script, IMHO.
>> >>
>> >> An alternative would be to expand the usefulness of the code insert
>> >> dropdown by having it add the parens and properties for events and
>> >> functions using default values/place holders such as is seen in the
>> >> hover tips.
>> >>
>> >> Ricky
>> >> Cron Stardust
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dave Booth 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On 10/20/2010 13:20, malachi wrote:
>> >> >> Of all the developers who are working on the client someone has to
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> smart enough to implement this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For you windows developers who are using Visual Studio, When you
>> >> >> type a
>> >> >> function name and get to the ( point of the function it pops a tip
>> >> >> up
>> >> >> telling you what is needed to complete this function. I believe it
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> called intellisense. I could be mistaken. Why can we not have the
>> >> >> same
>> >> >> type of script editor? An auto complete type of compiler for the
>> >> >> editor.
>> >> >> As we type in our scripts popups would help us complete what it is
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> typing. this would increase speed of script writing, help beginners
>> >> >> learn
>> >> >> LSL programming faster, and simplify the process. this is just my
>> >> >> thoughts. it is already implemented in LSLEditor just figured it
>> >> >> could
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> done in the client as well.
>> >> >
>> >> > hover the mouse over the highlighted function name and you get a tip
>> >> > popup showing the functions prototype. Personally I prefer this to
>> >> > environments where the popup happens automatically - the popup would
>> >> > be
>> >> > a distraction for the functions I use really frequently and never
>> >> > need
>> >> > reminding about their parameters but I'll use the tip to remind
>> >> > myself
>> >> > of the correct parameter order for those I use infrequently. Perhaps
>> >> > this should be a selectable behaviour - Theres already a hook to spot
>> >> > when a function name is typed and highlight it, possibly leverage
>> >> > that
>> >> > and have function tip popups in the editor be on-hover, on-highlight
>> >> > or
>> >> > off?
>> >> >
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Sythos]

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:07:31 -0700
Ricky  wrote:

> lol... That comment reminds me of this (tongue-in-cheek,) graphic
> representing the learning curves for a variety of common editors:
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/steverowe/archive/2004/11/17/code-editor-learning-curves.aspx

damn awaked my wife laughing... XD
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[malachi]

I didn't mean add something that would allow editing in an external  
program. It is bad enough on older machines to run SL alone. and opening  
multiple programs is not enough. Perhaps tool tips are a bit out of the  
way i agree with others that the tooltip can sometimes be annoying. but  
instead maybe a drop down list at the position of the cursor that allows  
you to pick a function and autocomplete it? and what about user functions?  
string foo(list in,integer index) or something. when you use it it should  
pop up in the drop down list as well. the drop down should not be limited  
to the LL preset functions. real editors do not restrain you to only the  
preset functions.
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:46:35 -0400, Brandon Husbands   
wrote:

> I will submit my external editor patch to snow storm
>
> On Oct 20, 2010 5:39 PM, "Ponzu"  wrote:
>
> Make the script editor use vi.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Ricky  wrote:
>>
>> It used to stay up until cli...
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Re: [opensource-dev] STORM-406: Conditional use of FMOD is not correct, breaks open source build (was: Latest build broken on Mac)

[Ponzu]

Boroondas, my guru!


On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Boroondas Gupte  wrote:

>  On 10/21/2010 12:43 AM, Ponzu wrote:
>
> ...or maybe it is just me.  I used hg bisect to find the " last good
> build", (see bottom of this email)  Maybe I need to download new FMOD or
> something.
>
>  ./develop.py dies like this...
>
>  [...]
> RuntimeError: Cannot fetch: install-packages.lindenlab.com:
> /local/www/install-packages/doc/fmod-3.75-darwin-20080818.tar.bz2
>
> That'd be STORM-406 .
>
> Cheers,
> Boroondas
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Ponzu]

Alas, so many generations of coder who learned vi from someone who already
didn't know vi.

You will note that Google's new keyboard commands are vi commands.  There is
a reason for this.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Altair Sythos  wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:07:31 -0700
> Ricky  wrote:
>
> > lol... That comment reminds me of this (tongue-in-cheek,) graphic
> > representing the learning curves for a variety of common editors:
> >
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/steverowe/archive/2004/11/17/code-editor-learning-curves.aspx
>
> damn awaked my wife laughing... XD
>
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Dave Booth]

On 10/20/2010 18:40, Ponzu wrote:
> Alas, so many generations of coder who learned vi from someone who 
> already didn't know vi.
>
> You will note that Google's new keyboard commands are vi commands. 
>  There is a reason for this.
>

same reason that most chat apps commands are IRC commands :) /me does 
something in SL for example ...
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Glen Canaday]

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:40 -0400, Ponzu wrote:
> Alas, so many generations of coder who learned vi from someone who
> already didn't know vi.
> 
> 
> You will note that Google's new keyboard commands are vi commands.
>  There is a reason for this.
> 

Google... has keyboard commands?

:wq , :i, :q! <---?

(loved the vi & emacs graphics! the other editors just didn't exist yet
when I started with Linux...)

--GC


> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Altair Sythos 
> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:07:31 -0700
> Ricky  wrote:
> 
> 
> > lol... That comment reminds me of this (tongue-in-cheek,)
> graphic
> > representing the learning curves for a variety of common
> editors:
> >
> 
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/steverowe/archive/2004/11/17/code-editor-learning-curves.aspx
> 
> 
> damn awaked my wife laughing... XD
> 
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Re: [opensource-dev] Enhanced Script Editor Request

[Glen Canaday]

I do sometimes wonder what happened to i, ii, iii, iv, and v, though.
Must be like that "Leonard Part 6" movie Bill Cosby did in the early
80's.

--GC

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:45 -0500, Dave Booth wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 18:40, Ponzu wrote:
> > Alas, so many generations of coder who learned vi from someone who 
> > already didn't know vi.
> >
> > You will note that Google's new keyboard commands are vi commands. 
> >  There is a reason for this.
> >
> 
> same reason that most chat apps commands are IRC commands :) /me does 
> something in SL for example ...
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Re: [opensource-dev] STORM-406: Conditional use of FMOD is not correct, breaks open source build (was: Latest build broken on Mac)

[Latif Khalifa]

Tested with https://bitbucket.org/merov_linden/viewer-development-storm-137
which produces working viewer, with FMOD support. Make sure to follow
the updated instructions on the wiki that are mentioned in STORM-406,

Latif


On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Ponzu  wrote:
> Boroondas, my guru!
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Boroondas Gupte
>  wrote:
>>
>> On 10/21/2010 12:43 AM, Ponzu wrote:
>>
>> ...or maybe it is just me.  I used hg bisect to find the " last good
>> build", (see bottom of this email)  Maybe I need to download new FMOD or
>> something.
>> ./develop.py dies like this...
>>
>> [...]
>> RuntimeError: Cannot fetch:
>> install-packages.lindenlab.com:/local/www/install-packages/doc/fmod-3.75-darwin-20080818.tar.bz2
>>
>> That'd be STORM-406.
>>
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>> Boroondas
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[opensource-dev] Daily Scrum Summary - Wednesday, October 20

[Anya Kanevsky]

Summary covers 2 days, since we had a sprint planning meeting instead
of our daily standup on tuesday.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Snowstorm_Daily_Scrum_Archive

Date: Wed Oct 20

== GENERAL NOTES ==
* Merge Monkey of the Day: Oz

== DAILY SCRUM ==

=== Merov ===
PAST
* Sprint 6 planning meeting
* OH: change the wiki giving my OH and subject while at it...
* Sprint 4 and Sprint 5 cleanup : reviewed and marked QA some build only fixes
* STORM-406: Pulled Boroondas changes. Added one changeset to
[10:38] Merov Linden: * STORM-281: Posted a changeset and made it
ready for review
* STORM-416: Added data to the JIRA and made it Ready for review
* STORM-104: kdu upgrade: More code cleanup. Discussed with Oz wrt
licensing issues on some files.

FUTURE
* STORM-423: Prepare a changeset
* STORM-104: kdu upgrade
* STORM-105 : Perf decompression: put new data out, check the work
done by opensource-dev community on similar tests.

IMPEDIMENTS
* Latest KDU bits: been told today's the day :)


==Oz Linden==
PAST
* Built and posted Project Viewer for STORM-255
** Set up public repo for this change, and infrastructure to build it
* Submitted proposal for WEB-1560 (open source SL map javascript)
* Pulled initial viewer-beta changes back to viewer-development
* Bumped viewer-development version number to 2.4.0

FUTURE
* More changes to develop site
* Looking into grittier details of ReviewBoard
* Start on STORM-312 integration

IMPEDIMENTS
* none


=== Q Linden===
PAST
* sprint planning
* release
* tagged next beta
* triage / JIRA discussions
* tool coding

FUTURE
* triage
* meetings
* beta
* test code

IMPEDIMENTS
* none


=== Esbee Linden
PAST
* Viewer 2.2 Release
* Viewer 2.2 Announcement Blog Post Up
* Coordinating Viewer 2.3 Beta 1 release

FUTURE
* Write Viewer 2.3 Beta 1 blog post
* Systems requirements analysis
* Preferences review
* VWR Triage
* Viewer 2.3 Beta 1 Release Coordination

IMPEDIMENTS
* None


=== Paul ProductEngine===
PAST:
* BUG STORM-254 The default offer friendship message is not shown when
user offer friendship
** When i tried to resolve conflict while applying patch, noted that
necessary strings are already in. It seems that patch was already
applied.
* BUG STORM-293 Friend permissions icons overlap long names on 'My Friends' tab
** Today during testing found second variant of fix. Tested and it's OK.
** Discussed with Vadim which variant of fix should be implemented.
Applied fix and sent for a review
* BUG STORM-311 "Share" button is enabled if select non worn wearable
and wear it
** In progress. Estimate ~ 5 hour

FUTURE:
 * BUG STORM-311 "Share" button is enabled if select non worn wearable
and wear it

IMPEDIMENTS:
* none

=== Seth Productengine ===
PAST:
* BUG (STORM-263) Cog button in lower-left of sidebar panel does not
close popup menu on second click
** Found and fixed another few issues in the patch. Posted patch to
review board at
https://codereview.productengine.com/secondlife/r/888/.
** Could not find a proper way to resolve an issue with MenuButton
incorrect pressed state.
** Fixed according to review feedback.
* BUG (STORM-294) Selection goes out of Favorites overflow list if
scroll it by keyboard
** Fixed compiler warning breaking the Windows build.
*Fixing broken viewer-development build.

FUTURE:
* BUG (STORM-296) Cursor doesn't change when trying to drag and drop
non-landmark items into Favorites folder
* BUG (STORM-303) Favorites folder content isn't refreshed while
re-ordering landmaks
Estimated: 4-6 hours.
* BUG (STORM-426) Menu button looks as being pressed while its menu is
displayed by another control
Estimated: 8 hours.

IMPEDIMENTS:
* none

=== Andrew Productengine ===
PAST:
* Bug STORM-322 (Group Member Search: gives more entries then the
search string suggests)
** Tried to find a better solution but all have their flaws.
** Discussed with Vadim, came to decision to fix it substantially
other way. WIP. Estimate- 8 hours.
** While working on this issue, found suspicious place in code- seems
there is another bug in group roles member list. There perhaps is a
problem with "donations" column, but I couldn't check whether the bug
there because couldn't donate land myself or find group where there
are members who did it. To contribute land the way to appear there
premium membership is needed. Deeding land is not what is needed. But
though I couldn't reproduce it and file a bug, it will be fixed by my
changes
for STORM-322 anyway.
* Major bug STORM-402 (People you interacted via IM chat floater are
not shown in Recent tab)
** Fixed in viewer-beta code, had problems with building development,
will test there tomorrow and put on review.
** Tested and sent for review.
* Critical bug  STORM-95 (Upload hangs client)
** Started investigating.

FUTURE
* Finish STORM-322

IMPEDIMENTS:
* none

=== Vadim Productengine ===
PAST:
* Bug STORM-390 ("Place Profile" appears instead of "Resident Profile"
after clicking on user name in NearBy Chat Toast):
** 
Fixed.
* Bug STORM-403 (Res