[opensource-dev] Making progress compiling the viewer, but still having some issues

[Jonathan Welch]

I was thrilled to see the viewer to start to compile more or less a
little while ago but have
hit another stumbling block.

I'm trying to compile SG 1.4 on Win XP using VC 2005 Express Edition / VC80

1) Now I'm getting a lot of lines like this
26>apr-1.lib(time.obj) : warning LNK4099: PDB 'apr-1_ib_5.pdb' was not
found with '..\..\..\..\libraries\i686-win32\lib\release\apr-1.lib' or
at 
'E:\sg14\linden\indra\build-vc80\media_plugins\gstreamer010\RelWithDebInfo\apr-1_ib_5.pdb';
linking object as if no debug info

python shows the apr suite is installed, so do I ignore this error or
fix it somehow?

2) Note to Merov perhaps: I was initially getting a lot of errors
about missing boost.h files.  I was told how to manually install that
component.  Then I was getting similar messages about missing files in
the GL directory.  I let the compiler run and eventually they went
away -- it looks like there may be a sequence issue that only affects
someone starting a compile from scratch for the first time --
components are not loaded in advance of their being needed.

-jonathan
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[opensource-dev] 1 more compiling issue

[Jonathan Welch]

I am also getting about a dozen of messages along these lines...any ideas?

Build Log  Build started: Project:
lltrustedmessageservice_test_ok, Configuration: RelWithDebInfo|Win32
 Command Lines  Creating temporary file
"C:\DOCUME~1\jhwelch\LOCALS~1\Temp\BAT00014D13562988.bat" with
contents
[
@echo off

cd .

E:

"e:\CMake 2.6\bin\cmake.exe"
-DLD_LIBRARY_PATH=E:/sg14/linden/indra/../libraries/i686-win32/lib:/usr/lib
-DTEST_CMD:STRING=E:/sg14/linden/indra/build-vc80/llmessage/RelWithDebInfo/lltrustedmessageservice_test.exe";"--touch=E:/sg14/linden/indra/build-vc80/llmessage/lltrustedmessageservice_test_ok.txt";"--sourcedir=E:/sg14/linden/indra/llmessage
-P E:/sg14/linden/indra/cmake/RunBuildTest.cmake



if errorlevel 1 goto VCReportError

goto VCEnd

:VCReportError

echo Project : error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from
"Generating lltrustedmessageservice_test_ok.txt"

exit 1

:VCEnd
]
Creating command line "C:\DOCUME~1\jhwelch\LOCALS~1\Temp\BAT00014D13562988.bat"
 Output Window  Generating lltrustedmessageservice_test_ok.txt
-- Failure running:
E:/sg14/linden/indra/build-vc80/llmessage/RelWithDebInfo/lltrustedmessageservice_test.exe;--touch=E:/sg14/linden/indra/build-vc80/llmessage/lltrustedmessageservice_test_ok.txt;--sourcedir=E:/sg14/linden/indra/llmessage
CMake Error at E:/sg14/linden/indra/cmake/RunBuildTest.cmake:19 (message):
  Error: This application has failed to start because the application
  configuration is incorrect.  Reinstalling the application may fix this
  problem
Project : error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from
"Generating lltrustedmessageservice_test_ok.txt"
 Results  Build log was saved at
"file://e:\sg14\linden\indra\build-vc80\llmessage\lltrustedmessageservice_test_ok.dir\RelWithDebInfo\BuildLog.htm"
lltrustedmessageservice_test_ok - 1 error(s), 0 warning(s)
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Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV

[Carlo Wood]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 05:21:20PM +0800, Boy Lane wrote:
> The questions I raised remain and I hope someone from LL can answer them.

Lindens will only reply with already published official statements
here, if at all. Ie, someone (once it gets Monday) will quote this
from the TPV policy:

6. The Viewer Directory and Self-Certification
[...]
a. If you are a Developer with a Third-Party Viewer that
   you would like to list in our Viewer Directory, you
   must meet the following eligibility criteria:
[...]

iii. Your Second Life accounts must be in good standing,
 must not be suspended, and must not have been
 permanently banned or terminated; and [...]

-- 
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Re: [opensource-dev] Making progress compiling the viewer, but still having some issues

[Henri Beauchamp]

On Sat, 1 May 2010 06:55:48 -0400, Jonathan Welch wrote:

> I was thrilled to see the viewer to start to compile more or less a
> little while ago but have
> hit another stumbling block.
> 
> I'm trying to compile SG 1.4 on Win XP using VC 2005 Express Edition / VC80
> 
> 1) Now I'm getting a lot of lines like this
> 26>apr-1.lib(time.obj) : warning LNK4099: PDB 'apr-1_ib_5.pdb' was not
> found with '..\..\..\..\libraries\i686-win32\lib\release\apr-1.lib' or
> at 
> 'E:\sg14\linden\indra\build-vc80\media_plugins\gstreamer010\RelWithDebInfo\apr-1_ib_5.pdb';
> linking object as if no debug info
> 
> python shows the apr suite is installed, so do I ignore this error or
> fix it somehow?

This is not an error, just a warning... It should not pose problem if you
compile for "Release" (and not for "Debug" or "RelWithDebInfo").
If you do need debug info, then you also may try to configure the project
so not to treat warnings as errors and you should get past this kind of
warnings.

Henri.
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[opensource-dev] [JIRA] 'Affects viewer' use

[Opensource Obscure]

What I'm supposed to do when I verify that a bug filed
against Viewer 2.0 also affects Viewer 2.0.1 ?

Should I really file a new, almost identical new ticket 
for Viewer 2.0.1?

This seems to be the meaning of the "Please ONLY select
a single version" phrase that appears near the 
"Affect Version" field (or not - see below)

However, this doesn't look feasible and sustainable to me:
it's time-consuming and -worst- all feedback, comments 
and votes get lost.

Admittely, I never acted this way, and I always checked
more than a version when appropriate; also, my feeling 
is that is the common behaviour on JIRA.

Maybe I'm just wrong about Releases and Versions? :)
maybe what the phrase actually means is that using 
the same ticket for Viewer 2.0 and Viewer 2.0.1 is OK;
but if the same behaviour affects Snowglobe or other 
branches, a new  different ticket should be filed?

thanks in advance for clearing my mind..

opensource obscure
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[opensource-dev] [WEB] Viewer 2 JIRA meta issues

[Opensource Obscure]

I created some issues in PJIRA about Viewer 2:

Viewer 2 problems meta-issue
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-19310
(I thought it already existed, but I couldn't find it)

Viewer 2 Inventory problems meta-issue
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-19308


also see:

Meta-Issue: Viewer 2 Sidebar Issues
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17012

Meta-Issue: Summary of non persistant settings in the Beta Viewer 2.0
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17387

Meta-Issue: Viewer 2.0 Chatbar
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17172


and also
Meta-Issue: Meta-Issue Organization
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-398


Please check these out,
link your favorite Viewer 2 bug reports as appropriate,
comment, vote, spread the word, etc.


opensource obscure
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Re: [opensource-dev] Making progress compiling the viewer, but still having some issues

[Latif Khalifa]

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Henri Beauchamp  wrote:
> On Sat, 1 May 2010 06:55:48 -0400, Jonathan Welch wrote:
>
>> I was thrilled to see the viewer to start to compile more or less a
>> little while ago but have
>> hit another stumbling block.
>>
>> I'm trying to compile SG 1.4 on Win XP using VC 2005 Express Edition / VC80
>>
>> 1) Now I'm getting a lot of lines like this
>> 26>apr-1.lib(time.obj) : warning LNK4099: PDB 'apr-1_ib_5.pdb' was not
>> found with '..\..\..\..\libraries\i686-win32\lib\release\apr-1.lib' or
>> at 
>> 'E:\sg14\linden\indra\build-vc80\media_plugins\gstreamer010\RelWithDebInfo\apr-1_ib_5.pdb';
>> linking object as if no debug info
>>
>> python shows the apr suite is installed, so do I ignore this error or
>> fix it somehow?
>
> This is not an error, just a warning... It should not pose problem if you
> compile for "Release" (and not for "Debug" or "RelWithDebInfo").
> If you do need debug info, then you also may try to configure the project
> so not to treat warnings as errors and you should get past this kind of
> warnings.

Windows build does ignore linker warnings, so you can safely ignore
"warning LNK" messages.

Latif
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[opensource-dev] build instructions overhaul

[Boroondas Gupte]

Hi all

As discussed at the Thursday meeting

(and demanded by new community members on this list, on IRC and at
previous meetings), we should update the build instructions on the wiki
to reflect the steps needed to compile Viewer 2 and Snowglobe 2. While
doing so, it'd be good to also restructure the documentation, so that
the relevant information can be found more easily and quickly.

Currently, instructions, tips and hints are scattered over a lot of
different wiki articles, so I think we should first collect all the
currently available information (even if outdated). It was suggested to
use a wiki category to tag relevant articles. I noticed that we already
have Category:Compiling_viewer
, 
containing
a lot of pages that might be relevant.

If there are no compelling reasons to use another (new) category for
this, I'll start adding the remaining relevant pages I know of to this
category and encourage all of you to do the same. Once most relevant
information is collected, we can decide how to newly separate it into
different pages and add the missing bits for the latest sources.

cheers
Boroondas

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Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

[Glen Canaday]

That's me on the list. You go in Snowglobe V2? My partner was also there 
in Emerald and did not get banned - that's why I was asking about 
client-based ban (and hence why I even brought it up on this list, even 
though it's only on topic in a very cursory way).

--GC

On 05/01/2010 12:45 AM, Andromeda Quonset wrote:
> I went there.  I saw a "GC Continental" was on the ban list for both 
> of the sims.  That was the closest I could find to you.
>
> I am not aware of there being any autobanners that ban by client that 
> any landowner or sim owner can use.  I don't know of any way to detect 
> via script or estate or land controls what client someone is even using.
>
> I do know there is maintenance going on, and regions being restarted.  
> Perhaps you were simply caught in a sim restart.
>
> At 09:49 PM 4/30/2010, Glen Canaday wrote:
>> There are autobanners that ban by client, no? Full-sim, estate ban?
>>
>> I'm on Snowglobe 2 and just got banned from both The Loft and The Loft
>> II; both are furniture store sims. Can someone TP there and test if they
>> get banned? If someone is banning by presence on the TPV list, then snow
>> needs to be on it rather than listed separately... (tho I could have
>> sworn it WAS on it)...
>>
>> --GC
>

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Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

[Thickbrick Sleaford]

I don't know if this store is (badly) detecting client versions/channels 
through the media plugins' user agent strings, or if it's just that I didn't 
move enough for their taste after teleporting. I went there with my test alt, 
using Snowglobe 2.0.0 () Apr 22 2010 00:11:09 (CommunityDeveloper) on 
linux, and was banned and ejected after a couple of minutes:

[13:14] Second Life: You have been teleported home by the object 'zF RedZone 
v3.2.3' on the parcel 'Furniture and Prefabs @ The Loft II'.
[13:14] zF RedZone v3.2.3: You have been removed for using copybot.


On Saturday 01 May 2010 22:20:26 Glen Canaday wrote:
> That's me on the list. You go in Snowglobe V2? My partner was also there
> in Emerald and did not get banned - that's why I was asking about
> client-based ban (and hence why I even brought it up on this list, even
> though it's only on topic in a very cursory way).
> 
> --GC
> 

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Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV directory ?

[Anders Arnholm]

Jonathan Irvin wrote:
> Just an idea I think would be cool is if LL made a tool (perhaps a 
> script) that users could click on if they suspected their viewer to be 
> bad or something and it would cause the viewer to send the info to LL 
> for investigation.
>
> Perhaps also LL can have hashes of the viewer source code.  Should it 
> not match or something, it won't allow them to connect or it would be 
> reported, etc.
And what hash would you think a bad viewer would sent, it's own ot the 
offical LL viewers?


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Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

[Bryon Ruxton]

Is that thing really exploiting a quicktime hack?
I.e. Trying to protect Computer Crimes Law by violating the very same laws.
If so, isn't that against the LL TOS and shouldn't it be taken down by LL?
The below reviews have me raising eyebrows...

https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=2138
424&allReviews=1#reviews

"Sandrina Koolhoven on 2010-03-22
27 of 71 members found this review helpful.
"THIS system is indeed using a hack through Quicktime that gains access to a
persons hard drive. This system has been torn down and looked at. Scanning
yours or my HDD is a clear violation of USA Privacy laws and only LL has a
right to know who your alts are, not the designer of this system."...

Dekadance Mint on 2010-03-17
79 of 165 members found this review helpful.
"Easiest method to avoid detection by this device requires no compiling or
programming, just add "-noquicktime" into the short cut, and this device
can't detect you untill Skills finds a new method of detection. I say this
tidbit of info because the appeal process is atrocious and horrible from my
experience."


On 4/30/10 10:06 PM, "Tigro Spottystripes" 
wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
> 
> there is Skill's CDS system
> 
> On 1/5/2010 01:45, Andromeda Quonset wrote:
>> I went there.  I saw a "GC Continental" was on the ban list for both
>> of the sims.  That was the closest I could find to you.
>> 
>> I am not aware of there being any autobanners that ban by client that
>> any landowner or sim owner can use.  I don't know of any way to
>> detect via script or estate or land controls what client someone is even
>> using.
>> 
>> I do know there is maintenance going on, and regions being
>> restarted.  Perhaps you were simply caught in a sim restart.
>> 
>> At 09:49 PM 4/30/2010, Glen Canaday wrote:
>>> There are autobanners that ban by client, no? Full-sim, estate ban?
>>> 
>>> I'm on Snowglobe 2 and just got banned from both The Loft and The Loft
>>> II; both are furniture store sims. Can someone TP there and test if they
>>> get banned? If someone is banning by presence on the TPV list, then snow
>>> needs to be on it rather than listed separately... (tho I could have
>>> sworn it WAS on it)...
>>> 
>>> --GC


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Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

[Glen Canaday]

Well OSS devs, be prepared to be banned by anyone using the redzone 
thing even when using unpatched LL svn. Sorry to spam, but this type of 
attitude is spreading, and I thought that *EVERYONE* on this list best know.

[14:54] zFire Xue: Your comming up as Community Developer
[14:55] zFire Xue: which is an open source viewer that someone has made 
into a copybot viewer.  Yours might not have been, but it reads just 
like one that is
[14:55] GC Continental: which is a false positive
[14:56] zFire Xue: It isnt snowglobe
[14:56] zFire Xue: and its a known copybot
[14:56] zFire Xue: So Im confused about the falseness part
[14:56] GC Continental: it is snowglobe. This is unpatched source.
[14:57] GC Continental: anything not on the TPV list as of yesterday 
can't connect to the grid at all. This one does.
[14:58] GC Continental: someone may have altered the sources on their 
personal viewers, but the svn of anowglobe isn't a copying viewer
[15:00] zFire Xue: Ok, I have 3 people with your same signature.
[15:00] zFire Xue: I have 2884 with snowglobe signatures
[15:01] GC Continental: 'd suggest you hop onto the opensource-dev 
mailing list... there has to be a better way of detecting.
[15:03] GC Continental: If there is, that's going to be the best place 
to has it out. There are a few people on there you'd want to be in 
contact with, such as Marine and most of the  Emerald crew.
[15:03] GC Continental: as well as meroiv, rob, and Q linden
[15:04] GC Continental: (I can't type today)
[15:04] zFire Xue: I have no interest in being in contact with any of them.
[15:05] zFire Xue: I will get a copy of Linux snowglob and test.
[15:05] GC Continental: Compile it yourself - use the svn sources
[15:05] zFire Xue: but being that I have IDed Snowglobe over 2800 times 
with the system, and then there is you, and 2 others... it doesnt look 
good that you are such a rare exception.
[15:06] GC Continental: You'll have the same viewer I have.
[15:06] zFire Xue: That explains how someone may have made a copybot out 
of it.
[15:07] GC Continental: Copybot came out before the sources were 
released. Nov 2006.
[15:08] GC Continental: I'll forward it to the dev list. Thank you for 
your time.

--GC

On 05/01/2010 04:35 PM, Thickbrick Sleaford wrote:
> I don't know if this store is (badly) detecting client versions/channels
> through the media plugins' user agent strings, or if it's just that I didn't
> move enough for their taste after teleporting. I went there with my test alt,
> using Snowglobe 2.0.0 () Apr 22 2010 00:11:09 (CommunityDeveloper) on
> linux, and was banned and ejected after a couple of minutes:
>
> [13:14] Second Life: You have been teleported home by the object 'zF RedZone
> v3.2.3' on the parcel 'Furniture and Prefabs @ The Loft II'.
> [13:14] zF RedZone v3.2.3: You have been removed for using copybot.
>
>
> On Saturday 01 May 2010 22:20:26 Glen Canaday wrote:
>
>> That's me on the list. You go in Snowglobe V2? My partner was also there
>> in Emerald and did not get banned - that's why I was asking about
>> client-based ban (and hence why I even brought it up on this list, even
>> though it's only on topic in a very cursory way).
>>
>> --GC
>>
>>  
>

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Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

[Glen Canaday]

EDIT:

The rest of the conversation was actually very gracious. I do expect his 
product not to be the only one to provide false positives.

He is checking into it to see how it could be changed to properly detect 
unchanged clients - after now, it's likely going to be th beta grid for 
any testing.

--GC
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Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

[Argent Stonecutter]

On 2010-05-01, at 16:50, Bryon Ruxton wrote:
> Is that thing really exploiting a quicktime hack?
> I.e. Trying to protect Computer Crimes Law by violating the very  
> same laws.

Setting a media stream and looking at the query string isn't violating  
any laws.

It's sleazy, and HTML on a prim will make it much more common, but  
it's not illegal.

You should have media streams turned off anyway. This has been a known  
information leak since forever.
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Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

[Robert Martin]

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Glen Canaday  wrote:
>
> [15:05] GC Continental: Compile it yourself - use the svn sources
> [15:05] zFire Xue: but being that I have IDed Snowglobe over 2800 times
> with the system, and then there is you, and 2 others... it doesnt look
> good that you are such a rare exception.
> [15:06] GC Continental: You'll have the same viewer I have.
> [15:06] zFire Xue: That explains how someone may have made a copybot out
> of it.

and most of the reason for the rarity is that most folks can't seem to
get a from source compile to actually work much less getting a SVN
copy to work.
Personally i think that any kind of ban by viewer signature device
should be banned (outside of a Linden Lab built item).

-- 
Robert L Martin
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Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

[Glen Canaday]

Me too, but I don't think it's against TOS. A sim owner can do what a 
sim owner wants, and if it's to trust client/copybot detection to an 
inworld device they didn't make themselves, that's not against the rules 
afaik. Of course, I'm completely unaware of any method that's not going 
to result in false positives.

I'm just posting this because I have the feeling that it's going to 
become far more commonplace, and this is the group of people that it's 
going to affect the most.

So it's Emerald in the main grid for me, with my own clients on OpenSim 
or the beta grid from here on out.

Though WHY anyone wouldn't want to come HERE to talk about client 
detection is far beyond my grasp. That's like AVG not wanting to talk to 
Microsoft.

--GC

On 05/01/2010 06:42 PM, Robert Martin wrote:
> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Glen Canaday  wrote:
>
>> [15:05] GC Continental: Compile it yourself - use the svn sources
>> [15:05] zFire Xue: but being that I have IDed Snowglobe over 2800 times
>> with the system, and then there is you, and 2 others... it doesnt look
>> good that you are such a rare exception.
>> [15:06] GC Continental: You'll have the same viewer I have.
>> [15:06] zFire Xue: That explains how someone may have made a copybot out
>> of it.
>>  
> and most of the reason for the rarity is that most folks can't seem to
> get a from source compile to actually work much less getting a SVN
> copy to work.
> Personally i think that any kind of ban by viewer signature device
> should be banned (outside of a Linden Lab built item).
>
>

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Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

[Argent Stonecutter]

On 2010-05-01, at 17:53, Glen Canaday wrote:
> Me too, but I don't think it's against TOS. A sim owner can do what a
> sim owner wants, and if it's to trust client/copybot detection to an
> inworld device they didn't make themselves, that's not against the  
> rules
> afaik. Of course, I'm completely unaware of any method that's not  
> going
> to result in false positives.

"Copybot detection" is a complete waste of time, always has been,  
always will be.
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Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

[Maya Remblai]

Glen Canaday wrote:
> [14:57] GC Continental: anything not on the TPV list as of yesterday 
> can't connect to the grid at all. This one does.
Just wanted to point out, that isn't true. The TPV list is merely for 
advertisement, and an unlisted viewer can still connect. Cool SL and 
Rainbow, for instance, are not listed but are TPV compliant and have no 
trouble connecting.

Maya
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Re: [opensource-dev] Making progress compiling the viewer, but still having some issues

[Ardy Lay]

Jonathan Welch wrote:
> 2) Note to Merov perhaps: I was initially getting a lot of errors
> about missing boost.h files.  I was told how to manually install that
> component.  Then I was getting similar messages about missing files in
> the GL directory.  I let the compiler run and eventually they went
> away -- it looks like there may be a sequence issue that only affects
> someone starting a compile from scratch for the first time --
> components are not loaded in advance of their being needed.
To avoid the "sequence issue" Build project Prepare first, then 
build-all.  This does NOT apply to Viewer 2 or Snowglobe 2.
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