[Numpy-discussion] next NumPy community meeting - Wednesday, June 18th, 2025 at 5 pm UTC

2025-06-15 Thread Inessa Pawson via NumPy-Discussion
The next NumPy community meeting will be held this Wednesday, June 18th at
17:00 (5 pm) UTC.
Join us via Zoom:
https://numfocus-org.zoom.us/j/83278611437?pwd=ekhoLzlHRjdWc0NOY2FQM0NPemdkZz09
Everyone is welcome and encouraged to attend.
To add to the meeting agenda the topics you’d like to discuss, follow the
link: https://hackmd.io/76o-IxCjQX2mOXO_wwkcpg?both
For the notes from the previous meetings, visit:
https://github.com/numpy/archive/tree/main/community_meetings

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Cheers,
Inessa

Inessa Pawson
GitHub: inessapawson
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[Numpy-discussion] Re: Bumping CPU baseline to x86-64-v2

2025-06-15 Thread Ralf Gommers via NumPy-Discussion
On Sat, Jun 14, 2025 at 6:23 PM Jerome Kieffer 
wrote:

> Hi Ralph,
>
> There is no problem here except "any hardware more than 10yo* is
> deprecated and we can discontinue its support" which is something Intel
> would love but not me (nor anybody who realized we are living in a
> finite world).
>

This is a pretty wildly incorrect representation, please re-read the first
message in this thread.

I'll also summarize again:
1. The default build settings increase the hardware requirements to
x86-64-v2, dropping support for pre-2009 hardware and a few specific Intel
Atom CPUs produced in the 2009-2013 timeframe.
2. This will affect <0.22% of machines based on the best data we have
3. A previous such bump to SSE3 caused no problems. We set the threshold
for allowing to drop support at <0.5% at that time
4. If anyone with ancient hardware is affected, they can still build NumPy
from source with the `-Ddisable-optimizations=true` flag, that will still
work and use the scalar implementations. Or pin to <2.4.0 if they want to
use wheels from PyPI.

Cheers,
Ralf
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