Re: Gallium Nine, end of the road

2024-09-30 Thread David Heidelberg
We can deploy more widely Nine tests in CI, as Pavel Ondračka did for r300, so 
we'll be sure basivs are still in good shape.

David


 Original Message 
From: Axel Davy 
Sent: September 29, 2024 4:25:13 PM UTC
To: Martin Roukala , mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: Gallium Nine, end of the road

Hi Martin,

Thanks for your reply.

I think it makes sense to wait the Amber branch.
I'll see what I can do to help prevent it from breaking until then.

Yours,

Axel Davy

On 22/08/2024 09:33, Martin Roukala wrote:
> On 8/22/24 1:11 AM, Axel Davy wrote:
>> Hi there.
> 
> Hi Axel!
> 
>> 
>> I think this will surprise no one here, but here we are. I think it's time 
>> for Gallium Nine to end.
>> 
>> Long story short, Gallium Nine was a success. Its purpose is fulfilled. But 
>> there is not enough reasons to keep it around.
>> 
>> Gallium Nine doesn't have enough users anymore and it totally makes sense 
>> why. DXVK just works. Gallium Nine might get you a little less CPU usage or 
>> a few more fps, maybe.
>> But as PCs have caught up, and users have moved to shinier games with newer 
>> APIs, Gallium Nine is not relevant in the current landmark.
>> 
>> There has been no new volunteers to work on gallium nine for a long time, 
>> and regressions take a long time to get noticed.
>> Not breaking Nine puts effort on driver devs.
>> 
>> For all these reasons, unless there is vigorous protestations here, I will 
>> propose a PR to remove gallium nine.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Axel Davy
>> 
>> 
>> = Long Version =
> 
> [...]
> 
>> 
>> Thank you !
>> 
>> Axel Davy
> 
> No, thank YOU for your dedication and I wholeheartedly agree with what you 
> said about Nine having been a success, even if it has lost its relevance!
> 
> I think Gallium Nine's place is probably in the Amber branch, for historical 
> purposes and users who still need it to work on their now-old hardware. 
> Modern-ish hardware will be better served with DXVK and if not, the drivers 
> should be improved to support DXVK's needs.
> 
> In any case, I hope you will remain in our community and hopefully even pick 
> up a new project that will be exciting to you and maybe to the community at 
> large! Your expertise is appreciated :)
> 
> Thanks,
> Martin




Re: Gallium Nine, end of the road

2024-09-30 Thread Axel Davy

Hi Martin,

Thanks for your reply.

I think it makes sense to wait the Amber branch.
I'll see what I can do to help prevent it from breaking until then.

Yours,

Axel Davy

On 22/08/2024 09:33, Martin Roukala wrote:

On 8/22/24 1:11 AM, Axel Davy wrote:

Hi there.


Hi Axel!



I think this will surprise no one here, but here we are. I think it's 
time for Gallium Nine to end.


Long story short, Gallium Nine was a success. Its purpose is 
fulfilled. But there is not enough reasons to keep it around.


Gallium Nine doesn't have enough users anymore and it totally makes 
sense why. DXVK just works. Gallium Nine might get you a little less 
CPU usage or a few more fps, maybe.
But as PCs have caught up, and users have moved to shinier games with 
newer APIs, Gallium Nine is not relevant in the current landmark.


There has been no new volunteers to work on gallium nine for a long 
time, and regressions take a long time to get noticed.

Not breaking Nine puts effort on driver devs.

For all these reasons, unless there is vigorous protestations here, I 
will propose a PR to remove gallium nine.


Thanks,

Axel Davy


= Long Version =


[...]



Thank you !

Axel Davy


No, thank YOU for your dedication and I wholeheartedly agree with what 
you said about Nine having been a success, even if it has lost its 
relevance!


I think Gallium Nine's place is probably in the Amber branch, for 
historical purposes and users who still need it to work on their 
now-old hardware. Modern-ish hardware will be better served with DXVK 
and if not, the drivers should be improved to support DXVK's needs.


In any case, I hope you will remain in our community and hopefully 
even pick up a new project that will be exciting to you and maybe to 
the community at large! Your expertise is appreciated :)


Thanks,
Martin