[Mailman-Users] New Install Help

[Paul]

Sorry for the bandwidth, but I have exhausted all other options.

I have installed Mailman 2.0.10 on RedHat 7.2.  Python 2.2.1.

I have created a List, and subscribed a user to the list.  The user gets
the Confirmation of subscription -- request 99 message.  When the
user replies to the message, the list admin gets notification of this.
But the user is not subscribed, and the list admin page does not show
this user as pending.  I can add a user to the list manually in the
admin page.

I know that I must have missed a step somewhere.  Please help.

Thank you...

Paul



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[Mailman-Users] Ok, what's up with python? (ImportError) when running mailmanconfigure..

[Paul]

I get this error when running configure. Seems most of the python commands
fail, despite having a clean install. This can't be this difficult!!! 

I've set my path..
echo $PYTHONPATH
/usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload


  File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
import pwd, string
ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initpwd)


>From the python build dir (Setup.dist)

Is this my problem?

# Modules with some UNIX dependencies -- on by default:
# (If you have a really backward UNIX, select and socket may not be
# supported...)

#fcntl fcntlmodule.c# fcntl(2) and ioctl(2)
#pwd pwdmodule.c# pwd(3) 
#grp grpmodule.c# grp(3)


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[Mailman-Users] setting up new list-Cobalt RaQ4

[Paul]

Hi,

I have completed the setup process of mailman just now on a Cobalt RaQ4...I
think.

All went well until I attempted to set up a list "test"-my first list.
I ran the newlist program, entered in "test" and my e-mail address and
password, then copied the output lines and put them in Sendmail's "aliases"
file. I then ran "newaliases," and hit "enter" to have Mailman e-mail me a
confirmation.
Nothing happened. The list was set up, but I never got a confirmation. I
looked in /var/log/maillog, and there is no log of Mailman/Sendmail even
*attempting* to send me a confirmation.

Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Paul


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Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up new list-Cobalt RaQ4

[Paul]

More info I found while poking around my system:

When I try to set up my first list-"test," it's Sendmail on the RaQ
that doesn't seem to want to cooperate.
When you set up a list in Mailman, it outputs a few lines which you should
put in /etc/aliases (/etc/mail/aliases on the RaQ) for Sendmail. They look
something like this:
test:"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:  test-admin

So, I guess you're supposed to copy those into /etc/mail/aliases and run the
command
"newaliases" from root. Done. However, I got this in Mailman's log:

Oct 06 19:15:32 2001 (600) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... No such user here',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]')

I have tried completely deleting the list "test" and re-creating it, and
doing a full reboot of the server (several times)
Then, I had the idea: Why not make an alias file for Mailman? Majordomo has
its own alias file, found at /etc/mail/aliases.majordomo. Why not do the
same for Mailman?
So, I deleted the entries I put in /etc/mail/aliases, created the file (as
root) /etc/mail/aliases.mailman, and put a line in sendmail.cf:

O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases.mailman

I ran "newaliases" and it processed aliases.mailman fine.
However, Sendmail STILL DOES NOT want to "link" with Mailman! I get the same
errors as before, even after a full reboot!!

Thanks,
Paul



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[Mailman-Users] capacity

[paul]

How many members can a mailman list hold?
tia
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error - can't open aliases.db

[Paul]

Check to see if the soft links are there.  I just went through the rmlist
command yesterday and gave up and did it manually.  I should have paid
more attention to the obvious errors.  I found that my legacy soft links
were not in /etc/mailmain.  I've migrated my data so many times through
different OS's, that I messed that up.  I think it would work now if I had
to.


On Thu, July 12, 2007 10:34 pm, Hydro John wrote:
>
> I get the following error, but I've run check_perms -f and I have no
errors---
>
> I recall this happening once before, but I cannot recall what the
problem
> was. Any suggestions???
>
> -john
>
>
> Jul 13 03:05:25 niflheim postfix/smtpd[20268]: fatal: open database
/etc/aliases.db: Bad file descriptor
> Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning: process
/usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 20268 exit status 1
> Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning:
> /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error - can't open aliases.db

[Paul]

To find your alias files and ownerships:

ls -lhd `find / -name aliases`


On Fri, July 13, 2007 9:08 am, Paul wrote:
> That is strange that your /etc/aliases is owned by mailman.  Dunno what is
> going on there.  Something looks awry there.
>
> The soft link I made to the target:
>
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root mailman   29 Jul 12 00:15 /etc/mailman/aliases ->
> /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>
>
> On Fri, July 13, 2007 6:48 am, Hydro John wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I set this up so long ago, I don't remember the basic config
>> info...
>> but I don't see any links? And the aliases file in /etc/aliases is
> definitely different from /etc/mailman/aliases... not to mention the
> /etc/aliases.db file being empty:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# ls -la ali*
>> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1512 Mar 23 09:54 aliases
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 rootroot2914 Mar 23 09:53 aliases.bak
>> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman0 Jul  1 18:19 aliases.db
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# ls -la /etc/mailman/ali*
>> -rw-rw 1 rootmailman  4218 May 15 14:50 /etc/mailman/aliases
> -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 12288 May 15 14:50 /etc/mailman/aliases.db
>>
>> Would you mind providing just a bit more info?? Thanks,
>> j
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul-239 wrote:
>>> Check to see if the soft links are there.  I just went through the
>>> rmlist
>>> command yesterday and gave up and did it manually.  I should have paid
> more attention to the obvious errors.  I found that my legacy soft
> links
>>> were not in /etc/mailmain.  I've migrated my data so many times through
> different OS's, that I messed that up.  I think it would work now if I
> had
>>> to.
>>> On Thu, July 12, 2007 10:34 pm, Hydro John wrote:
>>>> I get the following error, but I've run check_perms -f and I have no
>>> errors---
>>>> I recall this happening once before, but I cannot recall what the
>>> problem
>>>> was. Any suggestions???
>>>> -john
>>>> Jul 13 03:05:25 niflheim postfix/smtpd[20268]: fatal: open database
>>> /etc/aliases.db: Bad file descriptor
>>>> Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning: process
>>> /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 20268 exit status 1
>>>> Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning:
>>>> /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error - can't open aliases.db

[Paul]

That is strange that your /etc/aliases is owned by mailman.  Dunno what is
going on there.  Something looks awry there.

The soft link I made to the target:

lrwxrwxrwx  1 root mailman   29 Jul 12 00:15 /etc/mailman/aliases ->
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases


On Fri, July 13, 2007 6:48 am, Hydro John wrote:
>
> Sorry, I set this up so long ago, I don't remember the basic config info...
> but I don't see any links? And the aliases file in /etc/aliases is
definitely different from /etc/mailman/aliases... not to mention the
/etc/aliases.db file being empty:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# ls -la ali*
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1512 Mar 23 09:54 aliases
> -rw-r--r-- 1 rootroot2914 Mar 23 09:53 aliases.bak
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman0 Jul  1 18:19 aliases.db
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# ls -la /etc/mailman/ali*
> -rw-rw 1 rootmailman  4218 May 15 14:50 /etc/mailman/aliases
-rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 12288 May 15 14:50 /etc/mailman/aliases.db
>
> Would you mind providing just a bit more info?? Thanks,
> j
>
>
>
>
> Paul-239 wrote:
>> Check to see if the soft links are there.  I just went through the rmlist
>> command yesterday and gave up and did it manually.  I should have paid
more attention to the obvious errors.  I found that my legacy soft
links
>> were not in /etc/mailmain.  I've migrated my data so many times through
different OS's, that I messed that up.  I think it would work now if I
had
>> to.
>> On Thu, July 12, 2007 10:34 pm, Hydro John wrote:
>>> I get the following error, but I've run check_perms -f and I have no
>> errors---
>>> I recall this happening once before, but I cannot recall what the
>> problem
>>> was. Any suggestions???
>>> -john
>>> Jul 13 03:05:25 niflheim postfix/smtpd[20268]: fatal: open database
>> /etc/aliases.db: Bad file descriptor
>>> Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning: process
>> /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 20268 exit status 1
>>> Jul 13 03:05:26 niflheim postfix/master[12748]: warning:
>>> /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
>>> --
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Googlegroups vs mailman

[Paul]

mailman rocks if you know linux and run your own server.  With anything
else, you are at their mercy.


On Thu, March 5, 2009 10:09 am, Kim Mosley wrote:
> I'd like to hear some opinions of using mailman vs. using GoogleGroups for
> a
> list of 500 people.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating aliases for moved lists

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> I have moved several lists to a new box with virtual domains.  I have
> moved /archives and /lists, used with_list and fix_url but I remembered
> something about aliases and looked and saw ~/mailman/data/aliases does not
> contain the moved lists.  Is that a manual build, a command I should run,
> or is there something else I can do to merge the two files?

What I did was to copy/paste the entries in "/etc/mailman/aliases" and
manually input them to "/etc/postfix/virtual".  File location may vary
depending on Linux and MTA version.  It worked well for me anyhow.

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[Mailman-Users] Looking for Yahoo style email list

[Paul]

I am looking for something that can be both an email list and a BBS style 
web page like Yahoo Groups. I want an email list that if the user chooses 
can read and post to the list from a web page like the Yahoo Groups.
Can Mailman be adapted?
Does an open source solution exist?

Thanks
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[Mailman-Users] Virtual domain setup problem

[paul]

Postfix version 2.0.16
Fedora Core 1
mailman 2.1.15

First off none of my email accounts on my email server are local.  All are
virtual mailbox domains.

Now I have a domain topguncomputers.com  that accepts the most common email.

the fqdn of my server is server.topguncomputers.com

So in postfix

$mydomain = topguncomputers.com
$myhostname = server.topguncomputers.com
$myorigin = $mydomain
$mydestination = default postfix setting.
$virtual_alias_maps =
hash:/etc/postfix/valias,hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
$alias_maps=hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases

in mm_cfg.py

DEFAULT_URL_HOST='topguncomputers.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST='list.topguncomputers.com'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAIN=['list.topguncompuers.com']

Ok now if I send an email to the following address

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

postfix finds it in the virtual-mailman table.  and converts it to mail-owner

The problem I'm  having is that than it trys to append the domain name
topguncomputers.com to that and hence forth can't find that email address
cause it doesn't exist.

So basically

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

gives me an error of unknown user [EMAIL PROTECTED] in my
postfix queue.

oh the ower of this mailling list is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And that
account does exist and gets email regularly from my server.




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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21

[paul]

Vanaf 16 april ben ik weg voor een paar maanden. In die tijd kan ik misschien 
af en toe mijn E-mail lezen en beantwoorden, zeker is dat niet. Verwacht dus 
geen antwoord voor midden juni.
groeten,
Paul

>From april 16th I will be out for some month's. So, don't count on an answer 
>on your E-mail before mid-june.
regards,
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[Mailman-Users] aliasing for another domain

[Paul]

I have been hosting a some mailman list for years now, and now we are
looking into getting the list from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Here are some specifics:
The new domain already has a mail server and hosting web pages.

My idea is like like this.  I've tested it and it seems to work fine, but
am wondering if there is a more correct way.

* Make an mx record at "newdomain.com", such as "list.newdomain.com", and
give the new mx record the "mydomain" IP address.

* Add "list.newdomain.com" in my mx virtual domain table.

* Add all mailman's aliases in my mx's virtual table.

* Change the "Host name this list prefers for email" line in the "general
options page" to "list.newdomain.com".

My questions are:

Is there an easier way to alias all of mailman's aliases, such as for
admin, bounces, confirm, join, leave, owner, request, subscribe,
unsubscribe?

Also, the web interface will still be at "mydomain.com", which should not
be a problem, I guess a cname could be done for "list.newdomain.com", but
then I don't want to have that much control over that subdomain, just mx
for it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] aliasing for another domain

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On Wed, December 12, 2007 11:44 pm, Brad Knowles wrote:
> On 12/12/07, Paul wrote:
>
>>  My idea is like like this.  I've tested it and it seems to work fine,
>> but
>>  am wondering if there is a more correct way.
>>
>>  * Make an mx record at "newdomain.com", such as "list.newdomain.com",
>> and
>>  give the new mx record the "mydomain" IP address.
>>
>>  * Add "list.newdomain.com" in my mx virtual domain table.
>>
>>  * Add all mailman's aliases in my mx's virtual table.
>
> Depending on your MTA and how the aliases are generated for
> integration with your MTA, this step may not be necessary.
>
> If you're going to have all the same lists with the same names in
> both domains, then you don't need to have virtual domain support
> within Mailman, just have the MTA recognize "list.newdomain.com" as a
> name that it should treat as "local".  At that point, the same system
> aliases for the old domain will now function for
> "list.newdomain.com", and you shouldn't need to do anything else with
> the aliases.

Great idea, I didn't even think of that for some reason.  I trie it, and
it works great with no virtual aliasing to do.  I'm still thinking which I
would rather do.  Locally is much easier to admin, but virtual is much
more configurable to customize, and I can tighten it further on what
accounts can pass.

>>  Is there an easier way to alias all of mailman's aliases, such as for
>>  admin, bounces, confirm, join, leave, owner, request, subscribe,
>>  unsubscribe?
>
> If you're going to use the virtual alias table interface, then I
> don't see an easier way around this problem.  If you use local
> aliases instead (which only have a "local" address portion leaving
> off the host/domain part), then you should be fine.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ongoing delivery issues - First Yahoo, now AOL

[Paul]

On Sun, March 9, 2008 10:12 am, Rick Harris wrote:
> I set personalize to yes several weeks ago hoping that it would resolve my
> delivery issues to Yahoo.  After a posting sent yesterday morning at 5:30
> am
> arrived at my local ISP address today at 4:25am (22 hour delay counting
> daylight savings time change), I am going to try to be more insistent with
> my hosting company.  Moving hosts is a pain, but this is bothering me
> enough
> to consider it.

Have you considered hosting yourself?  Some ISP's actually do let
customers run servers and have fixed IP address.  Speakeasy.net is one of
them.  I've been using them for 7 years now, and consider them the best of
the best.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] corporate spam filter operation

[Paul]

How about just using http://www.spamhaus.org/?  Configure it in your MTA,
and it'll tell the sender if he's been rejected.  There are others, but
that one seems to be the best without false positives.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] clarification on virtual domains

[Paul]

On Wed, May 7, 2008 5:07 am, bijayant kumar wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I have postfix configure for virtual domain. Whenever
> i add a new list for a new domain, it takes the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a email address for
> newly created list and all the aliases being generated
> on the basis of previousdomain.com. When i change the
> default host this list prefers setting from the
> interface, then mails are started to bounce saying
> user unknown in virtual mailbox table. I will explain
> my problem with the example...
> I have three virtual domain dom1.com,
> dom2.com,dom3.com
> in mm_cfg.py i have
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['dom1.com']
> add_virtualhost('lists.bijayant.com', 'dom1.com')
>
> It works fine. lists created takes the address
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> But when i add a new list say list2 like
>
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS =
> ['dom1.com','dom2.com']
> add_virtualhost('lists.bijayant.com', 'dom1.com')
> add_virtualhost('lists.bijayant.com', 'dom2.com')

Try setting your new domain in postfix in this setting:

mydestination = newdomain.com

Then it will use the mailman aliases or you will need to manual set all
aliasing in the postfix aliasing.





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Re: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains

[Paul]

On Tue, May 20, 2008 1:02 pm, Melinda Gilmore wrote:
> I know this has been covered alot and I do see alot of talk in the
> archives, but I am new to the whole, mailman/postfix/apache/redhat
> world and the instructions are not clear to me because of that.  Is
> there anyone out there that has the actually settings and what files
> to change in postfix, apache, mta, and whatever to get virtual
> domains to work.  Am I to understand that if I had a list called
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (our domain) and I want a virtual
> domain to go with it called [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can get this to work?
>

I've actually done some testing with the virtual ability.  If the domain
is set up as a virtual domain in postfix, then one needs to also have all
of mailmans aliasing also in postfix aliasing, then it will work.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives

[Paul]

It helps to disallow but the site is allowing.  So possible some engines
will bot the whole site:

http://www.mail-archive.com/robots.txt


On Mon, September 8, 2008 8:25 am, David Beaumont wrote:
> We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list members (i.e. not
> sent
> via mailman).  All of them have subject headings taken from list emails
> already sent out genuinely via mailman.  Almost all have our specific list
> prefix (but interesting not every one).
>
> Has anyone else had this recently (started 3rd Sept approx and the
> spammers
> listed from address has 'kiev' in it)?
>
> I can only think of 2 ways this has happened
>
> 1) Our public archives have been harvested by a spammer.  This would
> account
> for the subject headings being used.  Email addresses are displayed in the
> archives as, literally, 'name at domain.com' which is not immediately
> harvestable but wouldn't take much code to convert ' at ' to '@'. How do
> we
> make this more secure? I notice this list's archives are not standard
> mailman format!
>
> 2) One of our members PCs has been attacked and the subjects and email
> addresses taken from there.  All our emails are delivered with the reply
> to
> address being the list but the originators email showing.  This would
> account for a small number of the spams not having our list prefix in the
> subject heading (they would not have the prefix if stored in the sent box
> of
> the person that created the genuine message).  However I would expect at
> least some members to report spam with entirely non list subjects from the
> same spammer.
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[Mailman-Users] Upgrading rpm mailman from mailman source

[Paul]

I tried yesterday unsuccessfully from upgrade mailman-2.1.5.1-34.rhel4.6
on Centos 4 to the latest 2.1.11 from sourceforge.

When I ran "configure" it said I needed to install Python from source or
install the Python-devel package, so I installed the python-devel.

# yum -y install python-devel

Then "configure" said my mailman package path was not in
"/usr/local/mailman", which it is not, it is in "/usr/lib/mailman".

So, within the unpackaged mailman 2.1.11 dir, I did a global replace to
put my path in there:

# perl -pi -e 's/usr\/local\/mailman/usr\/lib\/mailman/g' `find ./ -type f`

Then "configure" ran successfully, then ran "make", then "make install". 
All seemed to go well.  I did "check_perms" and fixed permissions. started
up mailman "service mailman start", and all seemed to be running fine, but
now none of my lists showed "lists_lists".  My "mm_cfg.py" was untouched. 
Being in a hurry because I didn't alert any of the lists members of
downtime, I freaked out and restored my system.  Luckily I just did a full
backup of my LVM, so booted up via live CD and restored the LVM from the
dump file and was back online.

Is there anything special to do when updating from source?  I've usually
done it from RPM packages.  Any pointers?  Thanks.

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[Mailman-Users] I closed my lost but still get notices

[paul]

Hi

I used to have a list that I closed (I deleted it in Cpanel). I even moved the 
domain to a different host. But I still get notices at the first of the month 
about my membership in my own list. I presume others do, and it is annoying, 
since I have moved the whole list over to a service like MailChimp.

What could be causing this announcement and is there a way to stop it?

You can see it here:

…..snip…...
This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your
nangoku-jiyu-jin.net  mailing list memberships.  
It includes your
subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a
list.

You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or
configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery
or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such
changes.  For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of
the list (for example, tokyoprogressive-requ...@nangoku-jiyu-jin.net 
)
containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email
message will be sent to you with instructions.

If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to
…..


http://nangoku-jiyu-jin.net/mailman/options/tokyoprogressive/  …..


…..snip……

Thanks for any help in this.


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[Mailman-Users] Mail delivery or sending issues and list reply settings

[paul]

Hi and hope the answer(s) to my question are relatively simple. On one of two 
lists I manage, some people are getting deleted due to too many bounces.  And 
the bounces seem to be related to their mail provider not allowing the 
messages.   As far as I can tell, the main culprits are gmail, yahoo, and 
hotmail.


Of course, those people blame Mailman.  From what i have read, it is not 
necessarily that. But complicating things is that people were complaining that 
the default REPLY to SENDER was not appropriate for a discussion list, so I 
just switched it over to REPLY TO GROUP. I do not THINK that is the reason for 
the trouble, but here in the space of a few minutes are some of the messages I 
have gotten with my questions in caps.

(On the other hand, we didn’t have this issue UNTIL I switched to reply to the 
list. So I am wondering if there IS indeed a connection. Also unsure if this is 
a problem with the user not being able to receive mail, send mail, or both so 
far).

PROBLEM ONE: UNABLE TO SEND AND/OR RECEIVE EXAMPLES FROM YAHOO AND HOTMAIL

a...@yahoo.com <mailto:a...@yahoo.com> 
host mta7.am0.yahoodns.net <http://mta7.am0.yahoodns.net/> [66.196.118.37]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html 
<https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html>

SEEMS TO BE YAHOO DOES NOT LIKE MAILMAN AND ALSO SHE CANNOT ADD MAILMAN TO A 
WHITE LIST (YAHOO DO NOT HAVE).—>

IS IT POSSIBLE SHE IS USING A MAIL CLENT THAT DOES NOT SEND CORRECTLY? OR IS 
THIS THE YAHOO INTERFACE?

IS THIS HER MESSAGE BEING SENT OR HER MAIL PROGRAM NOT ACCEPTING MESSAGES?



RELATED TO THIS:

Some people are getting unsubscribed as a result:

   List:   Galeexec
   Member  i...@hotmail.com <mailto:mccan...@hotmail.com>
   Action: Subscription disabled.
   Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.


CAUSE OF ALL THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?


NEXT EXAMPLE OF SAME
h...@hotmail.com <mailto:h...@hotmail.com>
  host hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com 
<http://hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com/> [104.44.194.233]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   550 5.7.0 (SNT004-MC7F11) Unfortunately, messages from (199.223.209.221) on 
behalf of (yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/>) could not be delivered due to domain 
owner policy restrictions.

SAME THING?  I note the user has a hotmail address.  

CAUSE OF THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?


BELOW THAT IS MORE INFO (RELATED TO THE ABOVE?)

RESPECTIVELY 


Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;y...@yahoo.com <mailto:quen...@yahoo.com>
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mta7.am0.yahoodns.net <http://mta7.am0.yahoodns.net/>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html 
<https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html>

Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822; h...@hotmail.com <mailto:h...@hotmail.com>
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com 
<http://hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com/>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.7.0 (SNT004-MC7F11) Unfortunately, messages from 
(199.223.209.221) on behalf of (yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/>) could not be 
delivered due to domain owner policy restrictions.

There are others like this and they all share one of the two providers. 


PROBLEM TWO
Though GMAIL USERS have reported messages in SPAM. No errors messages to the 
list.

CAUSE OF THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?

Thank you very much.

Paul Arenson
Japan




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[Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

[paul]

Hi and hope the answer(s) to my question are relatively simple. On one of two 
lists I manage, some people are getting deleted due to too many bounces.  And 
the bounces seem to be related to their mail provider not allowing the 
messages.   As far as I can tell, the main culprits are gmail, yahoo, and 
hotmail.


Of course, those people blame Mailman.  From what i have read, it is not 
necessarily that. But complicating things is that people were complaining that 
the default REPLY to SENDER was not appropriate for a discussion list, so I 
just switched it over to REPLY TO GROUP. I do not THINK that is the reason for 
the trouble, but here in the space of a few minutes are some of the messages I 
have gotten with my questions in caps.

PROBLEM ONE

UNABLE TO SEND? RECEIVE?

a...@yahoo.com <mailto:a...@yahoo.com> 
host mta7.am0.yahoodns.net <http://mta7.am0.yahoodns.net/> [66.196.118.37]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html 
<https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html>

SEEMS TO BE YAHOO DOE SNOT LIKE MAILMAN AND ALSO SHE CANNOT ADD MAILMAN TO A 
WHITE LIST (THEY DO NOT HAVE).—>

IS IT POSSIBLE SHE IS USING A MAIL CLENT THAT DOES NOT SEND CORRECTLY? OR IS 
THIS THE YAHOO INTERACE?

IS THIS HER MESSAGE BEING SENT OR HER MAIL PROGRAM NOT ACCEPTING MESSAGES?



RELATED TO THIS:

Some people are getting unsubscribed as a result:

   List:   Galeexec
   Member  i...@hotmail.com <mailto:mccan...@hotmail.com>
   Action: Subscription disabled.
   Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.


CAUSE OF ALL THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?


NEXT
h...@hotmail.com <mailto:h...@hotmail.com>
  host hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com 
<http://hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com/> [104.44.194.233]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   550 5.7.0 (SNT004-MC7F11) Unfortunately, messages from (199.223.209.221) on 
behalf of (yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/>) could not be delivered due to domain 
owner policy restrictions.

SAME THING?  I note the user has a hotmail address.  

CAUSE OF THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?


BELOW THAT IS MORE INFO (RELATED TO THE ABOVE?)

RESPECTIVELY 


Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;y...@yahoo.com <mailto:quen...@yahoo.com>
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mta7.am0.yahoodns.net <http://mta7.am0.yahoodns.net/>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html 
<https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html>

Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822; h...@hotmail.com <mailto:h...@hotmail.com>
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com 
<http://hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com/>
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.7.0 (SNT004-MC7F11) Unfortunately, messages from 
(199.223.209.221) on behalf of (yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/>) could not be 
delivered due to domain owner policy restrictions.

There are others like this and they all share one of the two providers. 


PROBLEM TWO
Though GMAIL USERS have reported messages in SPAM. No errors messages to the 
list.

CAUSE OF THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?

Thank you very much.

Paul Arenson
Japan







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Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

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> On Oct 10, 2017, at 23:57, p...@tokyoprogressive.org wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Mark.  All the options look bad (except telling people to use 
> another email provider).
> 
> 
> OPTIONS
> A few are unclear, such as RESTARTING Mailman. How does one restart it? I use 
> Cpanel and do not know the inner workings.
> 
> Which do you think it the best of the suggestions? I already have content 
> filtering set to off to allow attachments. And there is currently only a 
> footer that says:
> 
> ___
> Galeexec mailing list
> galee...@gale-sig.org 
> http://mail.gale-sig.org/mailman/listinfo/galeexec_gale-sig.org 
> 
> 
> 
> Again, the list is REPLY TO LIST.
> 
> 
> IS IT ONLY YAHOO ADDRESSES?
> 
> I found another article that makes me wonder— 
> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html
>  
> 
> 
> it says  "List subscribers with email accounts on servers that perform DMARC 
> checks, such as Gmail, Hotmail (Outlook.com ), Comcast 
> or Yahoo itself, will reject the original message and respond back to the 
> list with automated DMARC error messages"……. making it seem that all of these 
> providers are no-nos.
> 
> But later it says "So users of Gmail, Hotmail and other DMARC-enabled 
> providers will not only fail to receive messages sent to the mailing list by 
> Yahoo users, but will flood the list with bounce messages, risking to be 
> bounced off the list themselves”.
> 
> 
> This sentence seems to imply that it is YAHOO users who should switch. But 
> the previous quote implies people with all of those providers should switch.
> 
> 
> Can you give me your opinion. Is it Yahoo that is breaking mailing lists, or 
> is it Yahoo, Gmail and Hotmail?
> 
> 
> Thanls
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2017, at 21:58, Mark Sapiro > > wrote:
>> 
>> On October 9, 2017 11:56:02 PM PDT, p...@tokyoprogressive.org 
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi and hope the answer(s) to my question are relatively simple. On one
>>> of two lists I manage, some people are getting deleted due to too many
>>> bounces.  And the bounces seem to be related to their mail provider not
>>> allowing the messages.   As far as I can tell, the main culprits are
>>> gmail, yahoo, and hotmail.
>> 
>> 
>> I think this is a DMARC issue. See > >.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Sapiro mailto:m...@msapiro.net>>
>> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.
> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

[paul]

Thank you, Mark.  Had to resend this as I forgot to remove the quotes in the 
first attempt. Re it being a DMARC issue, all the options look bad (except 
telling people to use another email provider). 


OPTIONS
A few are unclear, such as RESTARTING Mailman. How does one restart it? I use 
Cpanel and do not know the inner workings.

Which do you think it the best of the suggestions? I already have content 
filtering set to off to allow attachments. And there is currently only a footer 
that says:

___
Galeexec mailing list
galee...@gale-sig.org <mailto:galee...@gale-sig.org>
http://mail.gale-sig.org/mailman/listinfo/galeexec_gale-sig.org 
<http://mail.gale-sig.org/mailman/listinfo/galeexec_gale-sig.org>


Again, the list is REPLY TO LIST.


IS IT ONLY YAHOO ADDRESSES?

I found another article that makes me wonder— 
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html
 
<https://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html>

it says  "List subscribers with email accounts on servers that perform DMARC 
checks, such as Gmail, Hotmail (Outlook.com <http://outlook.com/>), Comcast or 
Yahoo itself, will reject the original message and respond back to the list 
with automated DMARC error messages"……. making it seem that all of these 
providers are no-nos.

But later it says "So users of Gmail, Hotmail and other DMARC-enabled providers 
will not only fail to receive messages sent to the mailing list by Yahoo users, 
but will flood the list with bounce messages, risking to be bounced off the 
list themselves”.


This sentence seems to imply that it is YAHOO users who should switch. But the 
previous quote implies people with all of those providers should switch.


Can you give me your opinion. Is it Yahoo that is breaking mailing lists, or is 
it Yahoo, Gmail and Hotmail?


Thanks

Paul Arenson




> On Oct 10, 2017, at 21:58, Mark Sapiro  <mailto:m...@msapiro.net>> wrote:
> 
> On October 9, 2017 11:56:02 PM PDT, p...@tokyoprogressive.org 
> <mailto:p...@tokyoprogressive.org> wrote:
>> Hi and hope the answer(s) to my question are relatively simple. On one
>> of two lists I manage, some people are getting deleted due to too many
>> bounces.  And the bounces seem to be related to their mail provider not
>> allowing the messages.   As far as I can tell, the main culprits are
>> gmail, yahoo, and hotmail.
> 
> 
> I think this is a DMARC issue. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891458 
> <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891458>>.
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[Mailman-Users] Unable to confirm user email not can I approve posting via https website

[paul]

I'm not sure if these are a connected issue. When I use the web interface 
confirm my subscription or if I try to approve a posting I get the error:

The information you’re about to submit is not secure
Because this form is being submitted using a connection that’s not secure, your 
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to confirm user email not can I approve posting via https website

[paul]

Thanks for the pointer. I am the server admin so, yes, I have access to it all. 
This is my first time using Mailman and everything is pretty much texted book 
install of all components needed.

Based on the doc https://wiki.list.org/x/17892007 I only needed to add

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' 
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
to mm_cfg.py. 

I could see the redirects working in the Apache logs and suspected there was 
something in Mailman that needed to be tweeked. I just couldn't find the 
article to get me moving forward.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to confirm user email not can I approve posting via https website

[paul]

Still having issues with the needed/default mailman list and the breaking out 
of HTTPS. All other lists are working fine. 
On mailman list, no errors in apache error log. I do see POST 301 redirect 
error I don't see the 301 error on the other lists. 
Is mailman handled differently than other lists?
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to confirm user email not can I approve posting via https website

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Thanks again. That did the trick.
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[Mailman-Users] Help With https://listhost.uchicago.edu/mailman/admindb/pub-service

[Paul Woo]

Hi - I am the administrator for the above mail list. My password isn't
working, and I make a bet I wrote it down wrong (was it Pub-service?). Can
you send me the correct password so I can get in there and respond to an
administrative task? Thanks! Paul

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[Mailman-Users] Help with a regular expression

[Paul Kleeberg]

I know this is a simple question but I don't have the knowledge to 
figure it out.

I am running RedHat 8.0 and which came with Mailman 2.0.13.  It 
suggests adding the following to the httpd.conf file:

# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your server's
# name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page (recommended).
# RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

That used to work fine.  I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.  I created 
the list "mailman" as instructed at the end of section 4 of the 
INSTALL document but cannot get to the administrative page 
http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/mailman or the list overview 
page http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman because 
"RedirectMatch" thinks it is http://www.example.com/mailman and just 
redirects it the top level listinfo page.

I am aware that I have two options:
  1. Rename the "mailman" list
  2. Remove the "RedirectMatch" statement from the httpd.conf file.

Is there a third?  I tried fiddling with the regular expression, but 
I just do not know what I am doing.  Any help would be appreciated.

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[Mailman-Users] Problems with content filtering

[Paul Kleeberg]

Thank you all for the help on the regular expression.

Again I am probably missing the obvious but it is beyond my skill 
level to decipher.

I would like only plain text messages to go out to the list, 
converting non-text messages to plain text and stripping attachments. 
I am not sure if that is possible.  But I have run into a problem:

I am using RedHat 8.0 and have upgraded from Mailman 2.0.13 to 2.1. 
In order to keep file locations the same, I ran configure with 
--prefix=/var/mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mail.  In 
the /etc/smrch directory I created ln -s 
../../var/mailman/mail/mailman mailman.  Things appear to work fine 
until I turn on the content filter, left the black list blank, added 
"text/html" to the white list, turned on the convert text/html to 
plain text and send a message of Content-Type: text/html; 
charset="us-ascii" to the list.

A message was sent out to the subscribers with the appropriate 
subject line and list-specific header lines but this is what appeared 
in the body of the message:

  /root/hPnn4E: Permission denied

Looking at the /var/log/mailman/error file I see:

  Jan 18 18:10:04 2003 (23871) HTML->text/plain error: 256

Suggestions?

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[Mailman-Users] Site-Wide list

[Paul Kleeberg]

Could someone help me understand the purpose for creating the 
site-wide list titled "Mailman"?  From the INSTALL instructions, end 
of section 4:

- Create a "site-wide" mailing list.  This is the one that
  password reminders will appear to come from.  Usually this
  should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change
  this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in
  mm_cfg.py (see below).

  % bin/newlist mailman

  Follow the prompts, and see the README file for more
  information.

- You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list.


I could not find more info about this in the read-me file or in the 
documentation.  I assume:

 * I hide the list
 * Use the umbrella list settings to have the password reminders sent 
to the owner

Is there more I should know?  Do I need to use this list for 
anything?  I am starting from scratch from 2.1 and have not used 
another version of Mailman before.

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[Mailman-Users] Site-wide header on HTML pages

[Paul Kleeberg]

I would like to put a site-wide header on all the HTML pages.  I 
discovered how to do that for an uncustomized listinfo page by going 
to mailman/templates/en/listinfo.html but I cannot seem to change the 
appearance of the archive pages.  Is there documentation on this 
somewhere?

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[Mailman-Users] stuped with postfix

[Paul Daniel]

Greetings:

I'm trying to get mailman 2.1 to work with postfix 2.0.2 on RedHat 7.2.  I am able
to create lists and add subscribers using the mass-subscription but list owners
and subscribers are never sent emails.  postfix dosen't seem to have an issue;
/var/log/maillog has no errors.  

Trying to subscribe as an individual via the web interface appears to work but
entries in mailman/logs/subscribe are always labled as "pending".

postfix was created with gid=postdrop and default_privs set to 'mailman' in
/etc/postfix/main.cf

mailman was configured --with-mail-gid=mailman

Has anyone a canned recipe for mailman/postfix?  

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[Mailman-Users] Site-wide header in HTML pages

[Paul Kleeberg]

I asked this one a while back but am still having trouble.

I would like a header to appear at the top of all the HTML pages.  I 
have gone into mailman/templates/en and modified the following:

  archidxhead.html
  archtoc.html
  listinfo.html
  article.html
  emptyarchive.html
  admlogin.html
  options.html
  private.html
  roster.html
  subscribe.html

But there are still pages that I cannot seem to change.  I recognize 
that some will only appear if the page is created after the above 
have been modified.  Pages that have not changed for example are:

  http://site/mailman/admin/listname[/any-directory]
  http://site/mailman/listinfo

My skills are marginal at best so forgive my ignorance.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Site-wide header in HTML pages

[Paul Kleeberg]

I found the answer and thought I would share it with the group.

There are three other files that require modification in the 
mailman/Mailman/Cgy directory:

  admin.py
  listinfo.py
  admindb.py

I am not sure if I can tell you what I did besides doing a multi-file 
search in mailman for key phrases found on the "offending" pages and 
then tinkered with the above files until the results looked good 
(restarting mailman after each modification).  If anyone is 
interested I could send you the above files - the changes are marked.

I am sure there is a better way to do this but at least this works.

Paul

At 6:47 AM -0600 2/1/03, Paul Kleeberg wrote:
I asked this one a while back but am still having trouble.

I would like a header to appear at the top of all the HTML pages.  I 
have gone into mailman/templates/en and modified the following:

  archidxhead.html
  archtoc.html
  listinfo.html
  article.html
  emptyarchive.html
  admlogin.html
  options.html
  private.html
  roster.html
  subscribe.html

But there are still pages that I cannot seem to change.  I recognize 
that some will only appear if the page is created after the above 
have been modified.  Pages that have not changed for example are:

  http://site/mailman/admin/listname[/any-directory]
  http://site/mailman/listinfo

My skills are marginal at best so forgive my ignorance.


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[Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work

[Paul Kleeberg]

I am attempting to get htdig to work on a RedHat 8.0 system with 
Apache 2.0, htdig 3.2.0 and Mailman 2.1

I installed the 4 patches (668685, 661138, 444879 & 444884) to 
Mailman 2.1 to create the searchable archives for Mailman with htdig, 
and then reinstalled mailman.  Created the link:

  ln -s /var/mailman/archives/htdig /etc/htdig-mailman

and in mm_cfg.py, to make this compatible with RH8 I added:

 HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH  = '/usr/bin/rundig'

Then added:

 USE_HTDIG = 1

to mm_cfg.py

and then ran the indexing engine:

  /var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig -v

and I get:

  /usr/bin/rundig: line 48:  1104 Aborted   $BINDIR/htnotify $opts
  htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db

but I would think htfuzzy should look in:

  /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db

In addition, when I look at the source for the search form on an 
archive page I see . 
But on my system, htsearch exists in /usr/bin.

What am I overlooking?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work

[Paul Kleeberg]

Hooray!  (And thank you)  It works!  ...but there is still a 
troubling message...

At 6:23 PM + 2/8/03, Richard Barrett wrote:
At 16:53 08/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote:

I am attempting to get htdig to work on a RedHat 8.0 system with 
Apache 2.0, htdig 3.2.0 and Mailman 2.1

[install steps deleted.  PK]

and then ran the indexing engine:

  /var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig -v

and I get:

  /usr/bin/rundig: line 48:  1104 Aborted   $BINDIR/htnotify $opts
  htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db

but I would think htfuzzy should look in:

  /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db

Have you checked out the section under heading "htdig Permissions 
Considerations"[...]

Guilty as charged.  I confess my eyes glazed over and assumed that 
these would be correct given they were part of the RedHat RPMs. 
Permissions corrected and the installation showed me a warning I had 
not seen before in between the two lines that appeared once again:

  htdig'ing archive of list: 
  /usr/bin/rundig: line 48:  1425 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts
   Warning:
 The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only
 the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database...
   Warning:
 The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only
 the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database...
  htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db

Still that odd error.  Searching for the db.words.db file, I find:

  /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db
  /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db_weakcmpr

but the search appears to work and it appears to fuzzify it finding 
"fancy or fancied or fancying or fanciness or fancier or fancies or 
fanciest or fanciers" when searching "fancy"


In addition, when I look at the source for the search form on an 
archive page I see . 
But on my system, htsearch exists in /usr/bin.

[...]

If all else fails, as root, copy htsearch into the web server's 
cgi-bin directory and make sure that it readable and excutable but 
not writable by owner, group and other.

I did what you said it appears to work.  However, since I continually 
update my system with the RedHat up2date program, I do not like 
having two copies of an executable unless it is necessary.  I know 
there is a way I can alias it from the cgi-bin directory and still 
have it executable even though it is outside the cgi directory 
"blessed" by apache but I have to look that one up (unless someone 
can tell me) :-/  I'm pretty inexperienced in all this.

Should I just live with the db.words.db issue?  Will it matter?

Thanks for your work.  This looks great.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work

[Paul Kleeberg]

At 11:19 PM + 2/8/03, Richard Barrett wrote:

At 22:57 08/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote:

Hooray!  (And thank you)  It works!  ...but there is still a 
troubling message...


  htdig'ing archive of list: 
  /usr/bin/rundig: line 48:  1425 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts
   Warning:
 The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only
 the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database...
   Warning:
 The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only
 the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database...
  htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db

Still that odd error.  Searching for the db.words.db file, I find:

  /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db
  /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db_weakcmpr

[...]

Should I just live with the db.words.db issue?  Will it matter?

This may be an htdig version related issue. The testing I did was 
with the 'production' htdig 3.1.6; that's what I am running on my 
'production' system. On checking the htdig.org web site, htdig 3.2 
still seems to be at beta status. But it appears from what you say 
that Redhat are including it as a 'production' RPM.

Looking at the information page for htfuzzy 
http://www.htdig.org/htfuzzy.html it appears it can be instructed to 
use a specified configuration file instead of the default.  I suspect 
that would solve the above problem.  It appears it uses htdig.conf 
instead of the list-specific config files found in htdig-mailman 
where "database_dir: /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig"

Just so you know, it is in the standard "everything" install of the 
cheapest CD version of 8.0 but looking at the bottom of the search 
result page on my newly htdigged site, I see:

  ht://Dig 3.2.0b4-20020505

Clearly beta.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 and htdig

[Paul Kleeberg]

If I wish to use htdig with Mailman 2.1.1, what patches will I need 
to apply?  (And I just got it working .)

Paul

At 8:39 PM -0500 2/8/03, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
I've released Mailman 2.1.1 which includes many bug fixes and language
updates.  This release includes a fix for the cross-site scripting
vulnerability, a fix for the cookie problem, any many other bugs.  I
recommend that all Mailman 2.1 users upgrade to this release.



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[Mailman-Users] Porting listproc web-archives to Mailman

[Paul Kleeberg]

I have a listproc list that has about 12 years of messages which I 
would like to still make available from within the Mailman web 
archive interface.  How I can accomplish this migration?  Some time 
back Michael James  posted a script to migrate 
lists from listproc but it looks like it only moves the list 
settings.  I tried redirecting a couple of old messages but it didn't 
preserve the original date.

Anyone shed some light on this process?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work

[Paul Kleeberg]

Well it may look like it will be out with the new and in with the old.

What is interesting is that RedHat lists the file as 
htdig-3.2.0-7.20020505 - not a mention of the "beta" term.  Must have 
been a typo by someone with bad eyesight who typed "-7" instead of 
"b4"  ;-)

Now does that also mean I would have to replace htdig-web since it 
has the same release numbers on the RedHat site as htdig?  (I cannot 
seem find them on the web.)

What is also interesting is that it appears that RedHat used 
htdig-3.2b3 and then b4 to index the KDE help files in release 7.1 
but not 7.2.  Might they have "stabilized" it or is that against the 
rules without sharing that stabilization?  I think I keep playing 
with it for now.  Haven't gone production yet.

Paul

At 12:17 PM -0500 2/9/03, Jon Carnes wrote:
Having been through this recently at a site I help out on, I can attest
that for us, the drop back to HTDig 3.1.6 (away from the 3.2.b4) was
well worth the effort.

[...]

It's interesting that Red Hat should push the beta out on a production
release.  I found it to be of less than production quality and highly
recommend that you remove v3.2.b4 and install v3.1.6 of HTDig.

[...]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 19:53, Paul Kleeberg wrote:
 >

 Just so you know, it is in the standard "everything" install of the
 cheapest CD version of 8.0 but looking at the bottom of the search
 result page on my newly htdigged site, I see:


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[Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman for a future domain name

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I am installing Mailman on my production machine.  I want it to 
install with the same name as another machine where my lists are 
currently running with listproc.  In other words I am installing it 
on www. but I want the Mailman pages to be known as (and 
return the name) lists. which currently exists on a different 
box.  How do I do this?  Do I define it when running configure?  I do 
not see that as an option in the INSTALL file but I see 
"--with-urlhost" and "--with-mailhost" in the "configure" file.

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[Mailman-Users] install question

[Paul Mozell]

Can mailman be installed on a virtual host without root access? I 
don't run my own server, just using a web hosting service. Can't I 
just put it in my cgi-bin?
And, how large is the untarred directory?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman for a future domain name

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What you say is correct but won't that put a "legacy" URL into 
Default.py whereas if I used the (undocumented?) parameters below, 
would it build Default.py with the correct URLs and therefore 
eliminate the necessity to add the entry to mm_cfg.py?

I suppose I should just shut-up and try it and see what happens...

At 9:23 PM -0500 2/9/03, Matthew Davis wrote:
After installation look at the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST section in
Mailman/Defaults.py  But as the top of the file says, don't make changes
there, make them to mm_cfg.py.

So you might want to add this to your mm_cfg.py
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = lists.

But read on in that file and see if there are anymore option of interest to
you.

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 install with the same name as another machine where my lists are
 currently running with listproc.  In other words I am installing it
 on www. but I want the Mailman pages to be known as (and
 return the name) lists. which currently exists on a different
 box.  How do I do this?  Do I define it when running configure?  I do
 not see that as an option in the INSTALL file but I see

 > "--with-urlhost" and "--with-mailhost" in the "configure" file.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman for a future domain name

[Paul Kleeberg]

Well I just decided to try it:

From within the directory where I unpacked the tarball:
  ./configure --prefix=/var/mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache 
--with-mail-gid=mail --with-mailhost=fpen.org 
--with-urlhost=lists.fpen.org

then "make install" and it appears to have worked.  Default.py has 
the future URLs in it.  I could not find documentation for 
--with-mailhost or --with-urlhost in section 2 of the INSTALL file or 
anywhere else.

I agree with you.  I do not think it wise to edit the Defaults.py 
file but the above process looked like it might be more orthodox. 
I'll let you know if I encounter problems.

Paul

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* Paul Kleeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 What you say is correct but won't that put a "legacy" URL into
 Default.py whereas if I used the (undocumented?) parameters below,
 would it build Default.py with the correct URLs and therefore
 eliminate the necessity to add the entry to mm_cfg.py?

 I suppose I should just shut-up and try it and see what happens...


That's correct.  By not modifing Defaults.py you put a 'legacy' url in there
so its posed to confuse the next admin that takes your place (heaven
forbid...).  But I believe thoes are there for example purporses, and your
not lucky enough to have the 'defaults' work.

You can edit Defaults.py, I personally see no harm in it other than it'll
break future source patches and maybe you'll forget working syntex's if you
mess something up.  But that's nothing that can't be solved by refering back
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[Mailman-Users] Building a patch file

[Paul Kleeberg]

Could anyone direct me to instructions on how to build a patch file 
for the totally clueless?

I want to be able to modify the way all the english html pages appear 
(which I did successfully once) but I would like to do it as a patch 
so it is easy to redo as necessary.

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[Mailman-Users] Harvesting addresses

[Paul Kleeberg]

I like the way that mailman changes e-mail addresses so that they 
cannot be automatically harvested by spammers, but I am concerned by 
the fact that a lists entire archive can be downloaded.  I want to 
have an open list but I am a bit uncomfortable with allowing the 
entire archive to be retrieved (with intact e-mail addresses) with a 
single click of the mouse.

Has anyone created a patch to remove the downloadable versions?  Am I 
just being paranoid?

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[Mailman-Users] "Last Updated" in searchable archives not updating w/ 2.1.1

[Paul Kleeberg]

I have integrated RH8.0's htdig 3.2 with Mailman.  I first installed 
in on a server with MM2.1 and then applied the same patches to 
MM2.1.1 to upgrade to the current version of Mailman.  I now notice 
that on the list archive home pages where it states "Note: The 
archive search index was last rebuilt ..." that the date has not 
changed since the update.   Lists created after the upgrade to 2.1.1 
state: "The archive search index was last rebuilt at [has yet to be 
built for this new list]."  Archives are being indexed but the date 
indicating when the archive was last search index is not.

Has anyone else seen this?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting addresses

[Paul Kleeberg]

That seems to work in some but not all cases for me.  Where can I 
find the grammar for the "/[^+" stuff so I can fiddle with it myself. 
Is there a URL?  Remember, I am clueless - except for my paranoia...

At 12:50 PM + 2/15/03, Richard Barrett wrote:
At 11:38 15/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote:

I like the way that mailman changes e-mail addresses so that they 
cannot be automatically harvested by spammers, but I am concerned 
by the fact that a lists entire archive can be downloaded.  I want 
to have an open list but I am a bit uncomfortable with allowing the 
entire archive to be retrieved (with intact e-mail addresses) with 
a single click of the mouse.

Has anyone created a patch to remove the downloadable versions?  Am 
I just being paranoid?

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I quick and simple non-patch fix is to put a rewrite rule into you 
web server's httpd.conf that rewrites the URI's of the files you are 
concerned about to a polite rejection page. That is what I've opted 
to do with RewriteRules like this:

RewriteRule 
^(/pipermail/[^/]+)/(pipermail\.pck|htdig(|/[^/]*)|.*\.(txt|txt\.gz))$ 
$1/unavailable.html [R]
RewriteRule ^(/pipermail/[^/\.]+)\.mbox/ $1/unavailable.html [R]


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[Mailman-Users] Moderation problem

[Paul Dekkers]

Hi,

I installed Mailman-2.1.1 and was wondering if it's possible to moderate
all traffic by default for most|all users: I saw the option for
emergency moderation, and in that case all mail is held for moderation,
but it sounds a bit crue.
Besides: I kind of expected mailman would send the list-moderators a
mail that there is mail to be moderated. Especially for low-volume
mailinglists there can be a moderation request for every mail sent for
as far as I'm concerned.

The last issue I found with mailman is that the password-reminder-option
is disabled for new users (?) in the general mailinglist-settings, but
new users still have their option to get a password-reminder every month
turned on: that doesn't seem so user-friendly to me (they can get a
reminder if they want to, but not by default.)

Thank you for your help,
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[Mailman-Users] Settings for filtering messages with attachments

[Paul Kleeberg]

Forgive me for asking what may be obvious.

I am about to restart a list that was on listproc.  I want to use 
content filtering but I am not clear what it does to the archives, to 
the messages or to the digests.  I have read the documentation on the 
Content Filtering page and sent several types of messages but I am 
still confused.

Initially I had it set to "No".  I sent a message in rich text and it 
appears to go through unfiltered but the archive has a message that 
is text only with a URL pointer to an attachment.bin that I cannot 
seem to open.

From the documentation:
Content filtering works like this: when a message is received by the 
list and you have enabled content filtering, the individual 
attachments are first compared to the filter types.  If the 
attachment type matches an entry in the filter types, it is 
discarded.

Does "IT is discarded" refer to just the attachment or the whole 
message?  I assume the attachment.

Then, if there are pass types defined, any attachment type that does 
not match a pass type is also discarded.  If there are no pass types 
defined, this check is skipped.

So the default is to allow multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative, 
and text/plain to pass through.  (I am really not clear what these 
may house except for plain text.)  So these are the only sections 
that are allowed to pass (if filtering is enabled otherwise 
everything gets through)  What about text/html?  Does that get 
through?

After this initial filtering, any multipart attachments that are 
empty are removed.  If the outer message is left empty after this 
filtering, then the whole message is discarded.  Then, each 
multipart/alternative section will be replaced by just the first 
alternative that is non-empty after filtering.

I take this to mean it the message has only rejected sections and all 
that is left is the shell of the message, then the shell is 
discarded, otherwise the first section that makes it through becomes 
the the first section in the message

Finally, any text/html parts that are left in the message may be 
converted to text/plain if convert_html_to_plaintext is enabled and 
the site is configured to allow these conversions.

How does text/html get through to this point if it is not in the 
pass_mime_types?  If I want text/html to be converted, do I have to 
put "text/html" in the pass_mime_types?

But does this have any effect on the archives?  (It seems it I turn 
on filtering that there is no "attachment.bin")

What does it do to the appearance of the digests?

I guess ideally I would all mail to go out as text and any 
attachments stripped and potentially stored with a url for retrieval 
by the willing.  Am I dreaming?

I guess I need a tutorial on the anatomy of a multipart message. 
Anyone know where I can find one?

Paul
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[Mailman-Users] Topic buckets

[Paul Kleeberg]

Can a message appear in zero, 1, 2 or more topic buckets?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation problem

[Paul Dekkers]

Hi,

Hmm, maybe this are unresolvable issues? :-|
I hope not...

Paul

Paul Dekkers wrote:


Hi,

I installed Mailman-2.1.1 and was wondering if it's possible to moderate
all traffic by default for most|all users: I saw the option for
emergency moderation, and in that case all mail is held for moderation,
but it sounds a bit crue.
Besides: I kind of expected mailman would send the list-moderators a
mail that there is mail to be moderated. Especially for low-volume
mailinglists there can be a moderation request for every mail sent for
as far as I'm concerned.

The last issue I found with mailman is that the password-reminder-option
is disabled for new users (?) in the general mailinglist-settings, but
new users still have their option to get a password-reminder every month
turned on: that doesn't seem so user-friendly to me (they can get a
reminder if they want to, but not by default.)

Thank you for your help,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation problem

[Paul Dekkers]

Hi,

Ah, but there is no way to do this by default? (I guess when there are 
new user I have to specify that they require modification each time?)
Thank you for pointing me at this option however, must have overlooked 
it - sorry :-|

Now that this works I still bother about the other issue: when I 
disabled reminders once a month generally and new users still get this 
flag on by default there is something wrong, I guess? Isn't there any 
global value to set that it shouldn't happen in any case, not even when 
the user has this option in their personal setting?
I don't want to bother a group of users (especially with a low-volume 
list) every month with reminders...

Thank you,
Paul

John DeCarlo wrote:

Paul,

If you go to the Membership List section for web admin and go to the 
bottom, you will find:  "Set everyone's moderation bit, including 
those members not currently visible".

Change that to On and click on the Set button.

Your list will now be one where all messages require the moderator's 
approval.  (You could have set it up this way originally.)

Moderators specified under the General Options will get a daily 
reminder to moderate messages.

You can also have them get immediate messages of some sort of request 
(like moderate or subscribe).  This is called:  "Should the list 
moderators get immediate notice of new requests, as well as daily 
notices about collected ones?"

Paul Dekkers wrote:

Hi,

I installed Mailman-2.1.1 and was wondering if it's possible to moderate
all traffic by default for most|all users: I saw the option for
emergency moderation, and in that case all mail is held for moderation,
but it sounds a bit crue.
Besides: I kind of expected mailman would send the list-moderators a
mail that there is mail to be moderated. Especially for low-volume
mailinglists there can be a moderation request for every mail sent for
as far as I'm concerned.








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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bulk subscribe in digest mode?

[Paul Kleeberg]

I tried doing this with Mailman 2.1.1 and was unsuccessful.  All new 
subscribers entered in to the "Mass Subscription" form in the 
Membership Management Section were added as receiving the regular 
delivery method regardless of whether regular or digest was selected 
in the "Digest Options" section.  The default format of the digest 
(MIME vs Plain) was recorded accurately though even though the digest 
button was not selected.

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 Is there a way to mass subscribe users with digest mode as the default?

 > Thanks,



Otherwise, make digest the default, mass subscribe with the web tool,
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[Mailman-Users] user_optionsurl

[Paul Kleeberg]

I am personalizing my lists and I notice that user_optionsurl uses 
the hostname from /etc/hosts and not the one that is configured using 
DEFAULT_URL_HOST or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.  Is there a way to change 
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[Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminders

[Paul Dekkers]

Hi,

In the mailinglist configuration I specified that users should not get 
monthly password reminders by default: when I add a new users to the 
mailinglist however, I see that the password reminder IS enabled!
Is this OK?

I'm using mailman-2.1.1

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[Mailman-Users] Images?

[Foster, Paul]

I am interested in a mail list where users can email images as well as text.
I did not see anywhere in the documentation is this exists.  Can mailman
support images as well as text?  If not, does anyone have any
recommendations?

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[Mailman-Users] Help with user_optionsurl

[Paul Kleeberg]

Forgive me if I am missing the obvious.  I asked this last week and 
did not see any replies but since I still have not figured it out, I 
thought I should ask again.

I want to personalize the footers in the messages of my lists as 
described in a post by Jon Carnes on 2/1 and repeated on 2/20 but I 
find that the variable user_optionsurl uses the hostname from 
/etc/hosts and not the one that is configured using DEFAULT_URL_HOST 
or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST within mm_cfg.py.  Is there a way to change 
that so that it reflects the preferred hostname?  If there is not I 
will change the name in /etc/hosts but I am trying to avoid that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminders

[Paul Dekkers]

Hi,

I disabled the montly password reminder in the general settings, but new 
subscribers still get the monthly password reminders by default.
After subscribing they have to disable this by going to their personal 
settings page. That seems incorrect to me.

I just got some reminders at the start of this month :-(

Am I doing something wrong?
Paul
Jon Carnes wrote:

Apples and Oranges?

When I set the list to no monthly reminders (Web-Admin/general) then
that stays set - even after I add folks to the list.  Is it changing for
you?
When I add folks to the list (Web-Admin/members/add), there is the
option to send them a "welcome message", but there is no individual
monthly password notification for them.
Note: the welcome message does contain the users password.
Take care - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 10:53, Paul Dekkers wrote:
 

Hi,

In the mailinglist configuration I specified that users should not get 
monthly password reminders by default: when I add a new users to the 
mailinglist however, I see that the password reminder IS enabled!
Is this OK?

I'm using mailman-2.1.1

Regards,
Paul


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[Mailman-Users] Managing attachments in the list archive

[Paul Kleeberg]

I am transferring a list to Mailman 2.1.1 in which the members like 
to send each other attachments.  Attachments seem to be distributed 
fine to the members but archive storage looks like it will be spotty.

In testing from a PC with NT4.0 and Outlook2K, .jpg and .doc files 
seem to store just fine.  .pdf files go through to the subscribers 
but are stored on the web with a "-0001.obj" replacing the ".pdf" at 
the end of the file name.  The file is then not recognized on the 
client machine.

When sent by a Macintosh with OSX using either Eudora or Mail.app, 
attachments which are listed as "type multipart/appledouble" are 
skipped and not stored in the web archives.  The attachments are 
distributed to the members intact but the archive states "Skipped 
content of type multipart/appledouble"

Two questions:
1. How can I control what filetypes are stored and what are skipped?
2. Is there a way to fix the way the .pdf files from the PC are stored?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Managing attachments in the list archive

[Paul Kleeberg]

I considered using MHArc which uses MHonArc and makes it searchable 
but I decided against it for some odd reason which might have been 
unique to my site and which I do not currently recall.

Again:

1. Is there a way to control what filetypes are stored and what are skipped?
2. Is there a way to fix the way the .pdf files from the PC are stored?
At 2:49 PM -0500 3/15/03, Jon Carnes wrote:
Pipermail is the archiver that comes built-in to Mailman.  While
Pipermail fits the needs of 90% of the folks who use Mailman, it is a
light-weight archiver.  For more heavy duty archive use, you should look
at using something like Mhonarc.  Mhonarc should be able to handle your
needs easily, and there is an FAQ on setting up Mhonarc with Mailman.
Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 10:02, Paul Kleeberg wrote:
 I am transferring a list to Mailman 2.1.1 in which the members like
 to send each other attachments.  Attachments seem to be distributed
 fine to the members but archive storage looks like it will be spotty.
 In testing from a PC with NT4.0 and Outlook2K, .jpg and .doc files
 seem to store just fine.  .pdf files go through to the subscribers
 but are stored on the web with a "-0001.obj" replacing the ".pdf" at
 the end of the file name.  The file is then not recognized on the
 client machine.
 When sent by a Macintosh with OSX using either Eudora or Mail.app,
 attachments which are listed as "type multipart/appledouble" are
 skipped and not stored in the web archives.  The attachments are
 distributed to the members intact but the archive states "Skipped
 content of type multipart/appledouble"
 Two questions:
 > 1. How can I control what filetypes are stored and what are skipped?
 > 2. Is there a way to fix the way the .pdf files from the PC are stored?

 > Paul
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[Mailman-Users] mailman not posting (using postfix w/ RH 8)

[Paul Daniel]

Greetings:  I have installed mailman 2.1.1 on RedHat 8.0 with python 2.2.2 and
postfix 2.0.2.  The install seemed to go well but the posting is not working:

symptoms:
- list administrators are not notified when a list has been created
- list administrators are able to administrer their lists using the web
- list members may post messages - and the messages are properly archived
- non-list members may not post messages but nobody gets a bounced message
- list members never receive any posted messages

what i've checked:

- /bin/check_perms is ok
- crontab was created as 'root' with /bin/cron> crontab -u mailman
crontab.in 
- aliases and aliases.db are up to date; postfix knows where to find them
and has reloaded them several times
- not using smrsh with postfix
- nothing of note in /locks | logs
- postfix on this host can deliver mail (otherwise you wouldn't receive this)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not posting (using postfix w/ RH 8)

[Paul Daniel]

mailman is running; "bin/mailmanctl start" works and I see six or seven
qrunners running as mailman.






Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 02:28:50PM -0800, ghhalley wrote:
> Howdy Paul,
> 
> Is mailmanctl running?
> 
> mailmanctl needs to be running to push the qfiles through the system.
> 
> >From the Mailman directory type "bin/mailmanctl start"
> 
> and check it by "ps -e"  You will probably see the mailmanctl and you
> will definitely see ~6 python daemons.
> 
> Peace,
> G
> 
> 
> --- 2:00:44 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > Greetings:  I have installed mailman 2.1.1 on RedHat 8.0 with python 2.2.2 and
> > postfix 2.0.2.  The install seemed to go well but the posting is not working:
> 
> > symptoms:
> > - list administrators are not notified when a list has been created
> > - list administrators are able to administrer their lists using the web
> > - list members may post messages - and the messages are properly archived
> > - non-list members may not post messages but nobody gets a bounced message
> > - list members never receive any posted messages
> 
> > what i've checked:
> 
> > - /bin/check_perms is ok
> > - crontab was created as 'root' with /bin/cron> crontab -u mailman
> > crontab.in 
> > - aliases and aliases.db are up to date; postfix knows where to find them
> > and has reloaded them several times
> > - not using smrsh with postfix
> > - nothing of note in /locks | logs
> > - postfix on this host can deliver mail (otherwise you wouldn't receive this)
> 
> > thanks in advance
> 

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[Mailman-Users] customising the options page - templated?

[Paul Mansfield]

I hope I'm not bringing up a common problem, but here goes...

running mm2.1 on debian3.0

I want to customise the page http://x/mailman/options/mylist

this page appears to be produced by
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py - and I'm not a python expert (too
lazy to become one?), so I can't tell if the page is produced using at least
some templating.

thanks for any suggestions
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[Mailman-Users] Messages not being sent

[Paul Smith]

Hi,

I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 on a FreeBSD 4.8 server, with Sendmail as the 
MTA. It's installed from the Ports collection. We've been experiencing 
a problem were a user posts to a list, and the message is not delivered 
right away. From the mail logs, we can see that the post is being 
processed by the mailman executable, and the post is added to the 
archives. However, the post does not actually seem to get delivered. We 
discovered this after restarting the qrunners from an init script: 
suddenly, a whole bunch of posts went out, as if they had been queued 
for later delivery.

In fact, for important broadcast posts, we've gotten in the habit of 
manually restarting the qrunners to make sure they go out. Mailman logs 
show no errors that would seem to apply to this situation.

Any advice? What should I be looking for? Is there a way to periodic 
force the queue to be delivered?

Cheers,

Paul

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[Mailman-Users] Need to change the machine name ... what do I haveto do?

[Paul Schumacher]

I have to change the name of my server from foo.foo1.foo2.foo3.edu to foo4.foo5.edu.  
( the ip will remain the same)
 
What do I have to change in mailman?
 
thanks,
 
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[Mailman-Users] password to one list forgotten ... how do I ?

[Paul Schumacher]

I have several lists under mailman, and one of the lists managed by another person had 
the password changed and then the person forgot it.
 
How do I get to this list and change the password to a know one?
 
thanks,
 
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[Mailman-Users] shunt errors from archiver (IOError 13,permission denied)

[Paul Schreiber]

I'm running mailman 2.1.2; debian package version is 2.1.2-6. I'm using  
Sendmail for mail.

The traceback below showing up in my error log. Running check_perms  
says "no problems found." The directory in question looks like this:
drwxrws---2 root list 4096 Aug  1 13:00 database

I looked in the list archives, and found similar, but not identical,  
problems. I'm thinking whatever is causing this is also prevent mail  
for one of the lists for getting out.

What can I do to fix this?

Paul

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Jul 31 21:14:58 2003 (7707) SHUNTING:  
1059700497.72416+39aa5f655fb46db110c97bca88d832bef11a73ec
Jul 31 22:13:40 2003 (7707) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]  
Permission denied:  
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/uws-dev/database/2003-July- 
date.lock.frontier.7707.994'
Jul 31 22:13:40 2003 (7707) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in  
_dispose
mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 206, in  
ArchiveMail
h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 560, in  
processUnixMailbox
self.add_article(a)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 606, in  
add_article
article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 640, in  
get_parent_info
if parentID and not self.database.hasArticle(archive, parentID):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 273,  
in hasArticle
self.__openIndices(archive)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 251,  
in __openIndices
t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i))
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 61,  
in __init__
self.lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 77,  
in lock
self.lockfile.lock()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock
self.__write()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write
fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:  
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/uws-dev/database/2003-July- 
date.lock.frontier.7707.994'

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[Mailman-Users] Internal vs. external mail addresses

[Paul Smith]

I have some internal mailing lists that are trying to be closed (only
members can post without moderator approval).

Unfortunately, we have different email addresses for internal
vs. external mail, and our Exchange (:-/) server rewrites our addresses
for mail we send internally to be from the internal address, even if we
have a From: line etc. using the external address.

So, when people send mail to the list part of the time it looks like it
comes from their external address, and part of the time it looks like it
comes from their internal address.  When the mail looks like it comes
from the "other" address and it's addressed to a closed list, the moder
has to approve it (or they have to allow every user's alternate address
individually).  This is a major pain!


I'm wondering if there's any capability in Mailman to have it understand
that two different mail domains are really equivalent, so that
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example)?

Anyone else have any ideas (not including changing the way our email or
Exchange servers work... believe me I'd love to do that but...)

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[Mailman-Users] Odd results running nightly_htdig

[Paul Kleeberg]

This has been going on for a while but I have finally decided to 
address it.  Old list, originally on Listproc, converted last February. 
 Some older messages have large attachments.  I have just updated to 
mm2.1.3 and cleaned up the archives after editing the mbox file and 
then using arch --wipe ... and blow_away_htdig.  When I use 
nightly_rundig, I get the following:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# cron/nightly_htdig
pg->type:  0



page size:8192
 00-07: Log sequence number.  file  : 0
 00-07: Log sequence number.  offset: 0
 08-11: Current page number.  : 53
 12-15: Previous page number. : 0
 16-19: Next page number. : 0
 20-21: Number of item pairs on the page. : 0
 22-23: High free byte page offset.   : 8192
24: Btree tree level. : 0
25: Page type.: 0
entry offsets:
0:  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 35  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
   20:  0  0  0 20  0  0 fc 1f fc 1f ec 1f e8 1f d8 1f d4 1f c4 1f
   40: c0 1f b0 1f ac 1f 9c 1f 98 1f 88 1f 84 1f 74 1f 70 1f 60 1f


 8140: 61 74 65 87  0  0  0  2  1  0  1  0  1  0  1  0  b  0  1 64
 8160: 61 74 65 87  0  0  0  2  1  0  1  0  1  0 81  0  b  0  1 64
 8180: 61 74 65 87  0  0  0  2  1  0 81  0
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The indexing has appeared to work.  log/error does not have an entry 
for this.  Any ideas?  Should I do anything or should I ignore it?  RH 
8.0, htdig 3.2 (RedHat's htdig - have been reluctant to remove it for 
fear of breaking something else).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] email looping - autoresponders - how to stop it?

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Norbert Bollow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Only broken autoresponders are a problem, as the others will
> ignore Mailman.

Unfortunately, people insist on using that festering stink-hole of
security violations known as Outhouse Excess, and the autoresponder on it
is as broken as the rest of it.  I've had to kick three people off my
lists over the holidays because of these stupid "I'm out of the office"
messages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] test list aliases

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Darren ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Thanks.  Yes, I did run newlist.  So, I'm sure the aliases were echoed to my
> screen.  It was about 2:00 am, though.  And, since I am new to all of this
> (Postfix and mail servers in general), evidently I made the decision that I
> was too tired and mistake prone to read up on where Postfix keeps its
> aliases.  I didn't know if Postfix used /etc/aliases or not.  I have
> /etc/aliases on my box.  But, I didn't know if that was left over from
> Sendmail.

Yes, that's where postfix keeps its aliases.  I configured my postfix to
use two alias files, /etc/alaises and /etc/mailman_aliases (and gave the
mailman user write access to /etc/mailman_aliases) to make thing easier.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ignoring duplicate messages?

[Paul Tomblin]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 04:43:11PM +, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote:
> I've got some users who hit "reply-to-all" and thus wind up with two
> copies of the message coming towards the list concerned. I realise that
> the best way round this is user education (!), but is there any code within
> Mailman which will spot duplicates and ignore them? It is duplicates with
> the same Message-ID with which I'm concerned.

Run the list mail through procmail before going to the list.  (I already
wrote up how to do that in the faq.)  In the procmail filter, put the
following code up near the top:

:0 Whc: msgid.lock
| formail -D 8192 /tmp/msgid.cache

:0 a:
/dev/null

The first bit keeps a message id cache of the last 8192 message ids
recieved on the list, and the second bit deletes any messages whose
message id matches one in the cache.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ignoring duplicate messages?

[Paul Tomblin]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:21:33AM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:43:11 GMT 
> Melanie Dymond Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've got some users who hit "reply-to-all" and thus wind up with
> > two copies of the message coming towards the list concerned. 
> 
> Then their MUAs are seriously broken.

The people I see who do it are using Outhouse, so yes, their MUAs are
seriously broken, by definition.

> > I realise that the best way round this is user education (!)...
> 
> No, the solution is to get them to use an actually working and
> correct MUA.

The problem is that Outhouse is a tarpit - it doesn't matter how many
problems you point out that Outhouse has, both in complete purposeful
ignorance of the RFCs and common sense and the multitude of security
holes, it seems impossible to get people to change to something decent.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ignoring duplicate messages?

[Paul Tomblin]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:32:38AM -0800, Dan Wilder wrote:
> Add method to FAQ, please!!

Done.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] blocking MIME

[Paul Tomblin]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:46:59PM +, Phillip Lord wrote:
>I'd like to block all MIME messages going to a mailman
> mailing list, or alternatively hold them up for moderation. This is

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.013.htp


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Re: [Mailman-Users] procmail recipes

[Paul Tomblin]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:41:54AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm looking for procmail recipes to use with mailman and mhonarc.

I use "The Spambouncer" from Catherine Hampton.
http://www.spambouncer.org/

I invoke it with the following in /etc/procmailrcs/mailman

#   Set up for Hampton's rules
HOME=/usr/home/mailman
SPAMFOLDER=${HOME}/Mail/spam
BLOCKFOLDER=${HOME}/Mail/blocked
CONTROL=${HOME}/Mail/control
LOGFILE=${HOME}/Mail/log

FORMAIL=/usr/bin/formail
SBDIR=/etc/mail/sb/
BLOCKREPLY=SILENT

FREEMAIL=NONE

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PATTERNMATCHING=SILENT
SPAMREPLY=SILENT
GLOBALNOBOUNCE=/etc/mail/sb/nobounce
RBLCHECK=yes
DULCHECK=yes

INCLUDERC=$SBDIR/sb.rc

:0
|/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN}

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Once again, fame and fortune can be yours

[Paul Tomblin]

On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:09:00AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> Of course, I'm a musician[1] not an artist, so I need your help.

God knows there's nothing artistic about playing music.  Especially bass.

> I sort of think it ought to be a play on the circle in the
> cancellation mark logo.  Maybe with the words "MAIL LIST" replaced
> with "Mailman" (bonus to get the "GNU" in there).  But hey, feel free
> to ignore me as much as I ignore my lead singer when he suggests bass
> parts. :)  I don't want to stiffle anyone's creativity!

Remember that the favicon.ico has to be really tiny.  I forgot the exact
dimensions, but you can pretty much forget about intelligible words.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] a few questions (fwd)

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting C. Bensend ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>  from common.h:27,
>  from ./common.c:20:
> /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory
> make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1
> 
> Now, to fix it...  On one of my linux boxen, I did a 'locate
> errno.h'.  It appears in '/usr/include/errno.h', and from the
> output of 'rpm -qf /usr/include/errno.h':

No, the compiler was looking for , not .  The word
"linux" is a clue - the include file is part of the kernel distribution,
not part of the compiler.  If you want to compile just about anything in
Linux, you have to install the kernel headers package.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman and auto-responders?

[Paul Thomas]

Howdy,

Is Mailman vulnerable to mail-loops caused by auto-responders
that are configured to look like an email sent by a person?

If not, how does Mailman discern that an email from a person
is actually from an auto-responder and visa versa.

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] What's this?

[Paul Tomblin]

What's going on here?  Mailman 2.0.7 on Linux.  I've been running this
version of mailman for a few months and this is the first time I've seen
this message.

- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:17:01 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cron Daemon)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron  /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman//cron/qrunner

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
from Mailman import MailList
  File "/var/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 41, in ?
from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin
  File "/var/mailman//Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 37, in ?
from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
  File "/var/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 25, in ?
from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog
  File "/var/mailman//Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 22, in ?
from StampedLogger import StampedLogger
SystemError: bad argument to internal function

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wish list

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting J C Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:06:42 -0600 
> Edward Stryzek  wrote:
> 
> > To add to the wish list A way to extract and import subscribers
> > from the list. either a tool to do this or to store users in a
> > .csv format, not in the .db file
> 
> ~mailman/add_members
> ~mailman/remove_members 

~mailman/bin/add_members
~mailman/bin/remove_members

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[Mailman-Users] Subscriber options

[Paul Croft]

Hello

I am in the process of moving some rather large announce only lists from 
Topica to my own server using Mailman.  I have looked for solutions to my 
problems but cannot find them...so I am going to ask here and hope someone 
can help me.

Currently I see that I can veiw 30 subscribers at a time...is there anyway 
to view more?  One of my lists has in excess of 20,000 subscribers and 
looking at them 30 at a time is too difficult to handle!

Is there a search feature for subcribers so that I could search for 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and be instantly taken to the options for that user?

In addition to the above...is there an easy way to unsubscribe users 
without having to use the password feature?  With large lists 
administrating using a password is very hard...especially with clueless 
users!  ;)

My lists are humour related and all opt-in...but I KNOW that someone is 
going to demand that I unsubscribe them...if I have to search through 
20,000 subs 30 at a time...that is way too tedious!

Thanks in advance for your answers.

Paul


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[Mailman-Users] email admin + / ?

[Paul Reilly]

Hi,

I've been using mailman for a while and it's great.
I have 2 questions

1) how can I auto-subscribe someone to a list, without accessing the
   web page, but by sending an email ? In majordomo this would be like
   sending an "approve" message with the users details...

2) I've mailman installed at http://lists.domain.com/
   Can I assign th root web folder to /mailman/listinfo ?
   I think thould break things. Basically I just want the public
   page showing what lists are here to come up at the
   base URL of http://lists.domain.com/


Thanks

Paul



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[Mailman-Users] Bouncing

[Paul Croft]

Hi All

Okay...sent my first message to my Mailman list today that was transferred 
from Topica...I had a bunch of bouncing members at Topica...but I added 
them anyway because I have heard that some of the "free" list servers 
bouncing routines don't work too wellanyway it has resulted in me 
getting quite a few bounce notices direct to my mailbox from the various 
members whose mailboxes are full!

Isn't Mailman supposed to handle the bouncers for you?  Why are they coming 
to me?  Is there a setting that I can change...or is this something that I 
am going to have to deal with?

TIA

Paul


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[Mailman-Users] Welcome letter

[Paul Croft]

Hi

Is there anyway to edit the standard welcome letter that goes out with 
Mailman subscriptions?  I know that we can append stuff to the top of the 
letter...but my plan is not to run with the features or web addresses that 
Mailman uses because they are too cumbersome for "unsavvy" users!  I like 
the simple approach!

Can we completely delete the welcome letter and send a more user friendly one?

TIA

Paul


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[Mailman-Users] QMail documentation

[Paul Burkett]

Who do I contract concerning the README.QMAIL, I don't get it one bit and I need to 
ask a few questions.

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[Mailman-Users] Downloading members?

[Paul Croft]

Hi

Is it possible to download my membership into my computer so that I can 
search for members instead of having to go on site for it?  Reason I ask is 
that sometime people don't necessarily know their email address when they 
complain to you...but by reading headers you can usually find the 
address...I find it much easier to search off-line than on the site!

TIA

Paul


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[Mailman-Users] Mail not getting sent (could not acquire qrunner lock, segfault)

[Paul Schreiber]

hi ...

my config: linux, python 1.5.2, mailman 2.0.8, sendmail.

all has been working well for months.

recently, i had a problem where not mail would get send ... the qrunner log
file said "could not acquire qrunner lock." i deleted the lock files and all
was well.

however, this time the problem won't go away. i delete the lock files, rerun
python, but i just see the same error.

here's the tail of an strace:
# strace  /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

stat("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub", 0xbfffdb68) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsubmodule.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such
file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.py", O_RDONLY) = 6
fstat(6, {st_mode=S_ISVTX|0270, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.pyc", O_RDONLY) = 7
fstat(7, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|S_ISUID|S_ISGID|0512, st_rdev=makedev(111, 234),
...}) = 0
mmap(0, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) =
0x4001c000
read(7, "\231N\r\n\31Q\2068c\0\0\0\0\2\0\0"..., 4096) = 4096
read(7, "\177\257\0d\1\0o\16\1\1\177\260\0"..., 4096) = 965
close(7)= 0
munmap(0x4001c000, 4096)= 0
close(6)= 0
stat("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex", 0xbfffdb68) = -1 ENOENT (No such
file or directory)
open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regexmodule.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT
(No such file or directory)
open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex.py", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex.pyc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
close(5)= 0
brk(0x2184000)  = 0x2184000
brk(0x2185000)  = 0x2185000
brk(0x2186000)  = 0x2186000
brk(0x2187000)  = 0x2187000
brk(0x2188000)  = 0x2188000
brk(0x2189000)  = 0x2189000
brk(0x218a000)  = 0x218a000
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

and of course my qrunner log file:
Feb 25 12:27:02 2002 (18950) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 25 12:28:06 2002 (18960) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 25 12:29:04 2002 (18973) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 25 12:30:04 2002 (18977) Could not acquire qrunner lock

permissions are okay:
# ./check_perms 
No problems found

the list is okay:
# ./check_db all
/home/mailman/lists/all/config.db is fine
/home/mailman/lists/all/config.db.last is fine

help, please.

Paul


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting sent (could not acquire qrunner lock, segfault)

[Paul Schreiber]

--- Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check the rights on your directory structure and on the Mailman files.
> There is a program in ~mailman/bin/... for doing this.  Could you have
> modified it so that root owns everything (accidentally)?


already tried:

> > permissions are okay:
> > # ./check_perms
> > No problems found
> >
> > the list is okay:
> > # ./check_db all
> > /home/mailman/lists/all/config.db is fine
> > /home/mailman/lists/all/config.db.last is fine


Paul

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transferring Mailman to another box

[Paul Schreiber]

--- Corley Kinnane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to transfer a Mailman configuration to another system.
> Currently I've setup Python 1.5.2 and Mailman 2.08 and checked that the 
> old aliases file delivers mail.
> Mailman's CGI works fine, subscription to a list works and even sends 
> the "reply to"-to-subscribe email to the potential user.
> The problem seems to be in the wrapper, mail to a list just disappears.
> Any Ideas ? , things I should check ?

Try the instructions used for renaming a list:
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/listwork/2001-November/001740.html

i.e. issuing move_list and arch commands.

I moved a list, and it took some fiddling to get it working. Upgrading to a
new version of mailman tends to have the side effect of cleaning up some
cruft and getting things going again.

Paul

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Of course it's confidential, it was sent to a public mailing list. :-)

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[Mailman-Users] Deleting all list members

[Paul Rubin]

I am trying to 
support someone who wants to manage the subscriber list off of mailman and then 
upload the current list to mailman.  Adding may members is easy, but 
removal is a problem.  I determined that I could make a script 
that:

  config_list 
  -o
  rmlist
  newlist
  config_list 
  -i
This only has one 
short coming, the list password.  I can get the list owner's e-mail from 
the config but not the password.  Can anyone suggest a way to recover the 
password?
 
Thanks.
Paul.

Re: [Mailman-Users] downloading mailman lists

[Paul Croft]

Linda

Send an email to:

[listname][EMAIL PROTECTED] subject line = who

Change [listname] to the name of your list and yourdomain.com to the name 
of your host...

This ONLY works if addresses are viewable by all...but you could change it 
temporarily and once you get the addresses back you could change it back to 
list admin only!

Paul

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At 03:07 PM 01/03/02, Linda Hondroulis wrote:

>Hi,  I'm using mailman for an email list, and I'm changing from Hostway to 
>another ISP.  I want to download the email addresses I have set up on my 
>list, but I'm not sure how to do that.  Can you help?
>
>--- Linda Hondroulis
>--- <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Mailman-Users] sponsorship message

[Paul Cook]

Dear Sir,

I'm interested in starting a list due the expense of maintaining a
majodomo account.

However would like to know if it is possible to include a sponsorship
banner at the base of all email traffic...?

Thanks for your help.

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Editor/Publisher
DIRECTION Journal
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fax/phone (61) 3 9502 3859
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users

[Paul Croft]

Yes you are...I missed it too at the start...all you need to do is uncheck 
the check mark next to their name and then choose the submit button at the 
bottom of the page!

Paul

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At 06:14 PM 08/03/02, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>hi !
>
>I just have set up several lists with the mailman.
>easy task! great !
>
>but:
>how can i (the administrator) unsubscribe "unwanted" users ?
>there does not seem to be an interface for such a task.
>am i missing something obvious ???
>
>mfg.as.raas
>IOhannes





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[Mailman-Users] Subscriber Notifications

[Paul Croft]

Hey

Is there anyway to turn notifications of new subs and unsubs OFF when it is 
done by the moderator...but get them when they are done directly by the 
subscriber?

TIA

Paul



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