[Mailman-Users] Apple and Microsoft emails bounced

[jan]

Routinely, email posts from Microsoft (.hotmail, .live, .me) and now more 
recently Apple (.icloud and .mac) are being bounced en masse.

Is there something we or our host can do to stop this from happening?

Appreciate any advice.

Thanks
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Apple and Microsoft emails bounced

[jan]

We're using 2.1.39 and set to Munge From and quarantine moderation action is 
set to Yes.

We've had this problem all along, since we took it over in 2019. It has always 
been the Microsoft products, only this time, the Apple products. Brian 
Carpenter, bless his soul, used to fix it up for us. We understood from Brian 
that Microsoft routinely blocks their emails from receiving what appears to 
them as bulk emails. We're a very small group.

But, maybe it's not that. Jan tells me she gets the notices that (icloud ad 
mac) emails are blocked (bounced) when no one has sent anything. It's not 
triggered by a send event. Can you explain that to me?

EMWD, the Mailman host in California, said our DKIM setting was wrong and sent 
a new one which we've put in the DNS records.

Curiouser,
Cathryn
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Apple and Microsoft emails bounced

[jan]

Below is the bounce notice received. It looks like "Excessive or fatal bounces" 
is the culprit. Our threshold is set to 5.0. Once the bounce threshold score is 
reached it checks "nomail" next to the account and disables it. You know all 
this of course.

However, it's not exactly logical that all the icloud and mac email accounts 
have excessive bounces at once. Or, the hotmail and live accounts for that 
matter.

I went back through the EMWD tickets.

1. (2019)15 hotmail accounts blocked -- Brian updated the SPF and we put it in 
our DNS records.
2. Hotmail accounts blocked --  (after Brian) updated DKIM, suggested if that 
didn't work to get our members to "whitelist" our emails
3. Hotmail accounts blocked -- EMWD says Microsoft rejecting dedicated mail 
from our IP, opened escalation request; Microsoft "conditionally mitigates."
4. 4 months later -- same thing
5. 4 months later -- same thing
6. Uniserve emails blocked --  EMWD said: "Looking at the logs, I see that the 
list is accepting messages from Hotmail/Outlook addresses. However, Microsoft 
is bouncing messages from the list sent to those addresses - so although other 
list members are receiving it, they wouldn't see their own messages coming 
through the list."
7. (2024) icloud and mac emails blocked -- prior to this we went to a new host, 
EMWD updated DKIM and we had the new host company put it in the DNS records.

This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
 
 
List: Neighbours
Member: tasha...@me.com 
Action: Subscription disabled.
Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.
 
 
The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
 
 
Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
mail...@mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org 
.
 
 

From: Mail Delivery System 
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
Date: March 6, 2024 at 11:58:26 AM PST
To: neighbours-boun...@mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org


This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

 tasha...@me.com
   host mx02.mail.icloud.com [17.57.152.5]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   554 5.7.1 [HM08] Message rejected due to local policy. Please visit 
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204137
Reporting-MTA: dns; mm3.emwd.com

Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;tasha...@me.com
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx02.mail.icloud.com
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.1 [HM08] Message rejected due to local policy. 
Please visit https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204137

From: neighbours-requ...@mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org
Subject: Neighbours Digest, Vol 232, Issue 6
Date: March 6, 2024 at 9:00:02 AM PST
To: neighbo...@mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org
Reply-To: neighbo...@mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org
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[Mailman-Users] Digest not being received in a timely fashion

[jan]

For years our digest has arrived at 9:00 am (PST).

In the last six months it has been erratic, arriving at different times during 
the day.

Now, recently it is not arriving for a day, sometimes days. It's pretty useless 
to our members to have messages from one or two days ago arrive late.

I've asked the Mailman hosting company about this repeatedly. Their answer is 
that bigger volume mailist senders on shared servers take time in the queue, 
and our little mailist has to wait until their messages are processed. They've 
asked them to move to a dedicated server, but the delays are still occurring.

I've asked them about setting up a Cron job to schedule the release of our 
emails, but haven't received a definitive answer.

Anyone have any suggestions?
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Digest not being received in a timely fashion

[jan]

1. Where do I see the raw text of the received digest?
2. What is MTA?

I get what you're saying about received by Mailman, but the delay is later in 
the delivery chain.

If not that, then Mailman outgoing queue is backlogged (which is what EMWD is 
saying), due to a larger volume list on the shared server taking up all the 
space.

I will send along the wiki article to them.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Editing Mailman's text files

[jan]

>From  the FAQ at link above:
"The archiver maintains a template cache, so if you create edited versions of 
any archive related templates, you need to restart Mailman to get the qrunner 
to restart so that it will rebuild its template cache and in the process pick 
up new or changed templates.

Non-archive related templates are not cached so any edits or new domain or list 
specific templates will be effective immediately without a restart."

How do I know which are "archive related templates" and "non-archive related 
templates"?

I did change a text file (Notice of post refused by moderator) in the "Edit the 
public HTML pages and text files," and when it didn't work, changed it back to 
the original, and now it doesn't work. It must have been an archive related 
template.

I have a hosting company for this mailist. Do I ask them to reboot the list?

How can I know what I can and can't change in the future?

Thanks for any solutions.
Jan
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[Mailman-Users] Pipermail archive and attachments

[Jan Siml]

Hello Group!

I have a problem with the archives produced by pipermail version 0.09. If 
the default language for the list is english, everything works fine and 
pipermail produces an archive with correct ../attachments/.. urls. Like this:

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-- next part 
--
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Zwischenpr=FCfung.doc?=
Type: application/msword
Size: 720700 bytes
Desc: not available
Url : 
http://dadada.de/mailman/private/test/attachments/20030113/3ee49d72/iso-8859-1QZwischenprFCfung.dot

But if i choose german as default language, pipermail produces an archive 
with no ../attachments/.. urls. Like this:

Übersprungener Inhalt vom Typ multipart/alternative-- nächster 
Teil --
)Ãj×¢jxZž¢´§Öz|.× zÇ!ç]z»Cj×¢?©žŠÊ<óŸuAœ"±È^žš

Where is the cause for this behavoir?

By the way, is there any possibility to reparse a *.mbox file by 
convert_html_to_plaintext? We've upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1 and our *.mbox 
files contain still html.


Regards

Jan


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[Mailman-Users] personalize: user_name / user_address

[Jan Kellermann]

Hi!

We need personalized mails with the real username (user_name) or - when not
available - the emailaddress (user_address). But when I use the following:

Hallo %(user_name)s %(user_address)s!

I'll get in case of no user_name:
Hallo nicht verfügbar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is it possible that mailman writes nothing in case of no user_name?

Or better: where are these variables created so that there can be written an
either..or? Maybe in next version it were great to get a variable that is
set with the realname or - when not available - with the emailaddress.


thank you
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[Mailman-Users] personalize: subscribe via email with realname

[Jan Kellermann]

Hi!

Is it possible to subscribe a mailinglist via email and give the realname in
the subject like you can give the address?

Thanks
Jan Kellermann



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[Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list

[Jan Banan]

Hi all,

I'm trying to setup an announce list on which only a few people should be 
able to post, but I can't find a good way to do it. I see only a suitable 
option "general - emergency", but I think that is not the one I should 
use... 

Can anybody point me right please?

       Best regards / Jan


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[Mailman-Users] Web mail archive only available to list administrator

[Jan Banan]

Hi,

Is it possible to make the web mail archive only available to list 
administrator? As what I can see I can only choose between having the mail 
archive public or private (for subscribers). 

One of my list administrator want to have a web mail archive only 
accessible to himself but not for the subscribers (he want them to imagine 
that what they write won't be archived :-) )

I'm using Mailman 2.1.1.

Best,
Jan


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Re: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name

[Jan Kellermann]

Hi!

I have the same error message. The senddigests dies with this message (see
(1)) and the Runner, too (see (2)).

in mm_cgf.py is
DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'de'

The /shunt/-directory is growing hour by hour. can someone give a useful
hint?
I did install the cvs-version 1 hour ago and startet /bin/unshunt (yes, I
did restart the mailmanctl).
I tried it with python 2.1 also.


thank you
Jan Kellermann

(1) cron-report
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
mlist.send_digest_now()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in
send_digest_now
ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in
send_digests
send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests
msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in
process
t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/lib/python2.1/encodings/__init__.py", line 47, in
search_function
mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name


(2) /logs/error
Mar 17 19:13:30 2003 (21397) SHUNTING:
1047922040.310686+5bce2ca583617beff66de64be18ebe03154fb083
Mar 17 19:13:30 2003 (21397) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
Mar 17 19:13:30 2003 (21397) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in
_oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in
_onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130,
in _dispose
more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153,
in _dopipeline
sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in
process
send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in
send_digests
send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests
msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in
process
t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in
search_function
mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name

Mar 17 19:13:30 2003 (21397) SHUNTING:
1047922855.149357+40bc42a2e770c0b8213a4060a24a0e2673b5e8b7


- Original Message -
From: "Sumeet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:26 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name


> I seem to be getting alot (about 700) of these all of the sudden w no
> changes to my Rhat 8.0/MM2.1.1 and sendmail 8.11.6. Can someone please
point
> me in the right direction. thx, sumeet.
>
> Mar 17 04:03:56 2003 (1735) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/list/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
> self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
> keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
> more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
> sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process
> send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
> send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests
> msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 319, in process
> t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
>   File
>
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py"
> , line 51, in search_function
> ValueError: Empty module name
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[Mailman-Users] blank line in header detroys mail-header (cvs-version)

[Jan Kellermann]

hi folks, hi barry,

since updating to the cvs-version, a blank line is inserted into some
headers, but only in a few lists.
please see the attached mails. the effect is that the last lines of the
header are shown in the mailclient.

It seems to correspondate with the length of the listname and indirect with
the line-length in the header.
the lists worked correctly before updating.
any ideas?

greetings
kelly.
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[Mailman-Users] Set default to not send welcome letter

[Jan Banan]

Hi,

Is it possible to set the default for a list to not send out a welcome 
letter to new subscribers added under "Membership Management - Mass
Subscription"? 

(I'm sure I otherwise will forget to mark "No" on "Send welcome 
messages to new subscribees?" everytime I add people manually.)

  Regards / JB


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[Mailman-Users] msg_footer personal admin page reference

[Jan Banan]

Hi,

I like to adjust the msg_footer so that it instead of refereing to the 
general admin page for all users
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s
would refer to the personal admin page, maybe something like
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s/%(email_of_subscriber)s

Is that possible? What is then the correct variable name of 
"email_of_subscriber"?

(using Mailman 2.1.1)

Best regards / JB


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[Mailman-Users] Variables available for use

[Jan Banan]

Hi,

Where can I find a description of variables available to use in the 
msg_footer? (like web_page_url, cgiext, list_name, ...)

(using Mailman 2.1.1)
 
Best regards / JB


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Re: [Mailman-Users] msg_footer personal admin page reference

[Jan Banan]

> I like to adjust the msg_footer so that it instead of refereing to the 
> general admin page for all users
> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s
> would refer to the personal admin page, maybe something like
> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s/%(email_of_subscriber)s

I mean I like to use the same footer as this mailinglist are using:

   http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/b%40grabbarna.nu

What is the variable name to produce the email address on the end of that 
line?

   Regards / JB


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Re: [Mailman-Users] msg_footer personal admin page reference

[Jan Banan]

> > I like to adjust the msg_footer so that it instead of refereing to the 
> > general admin page for all users
> > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s
> > would refer to the personal admin page, maybe something like
> > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s/%(email_of_subscriber)s
> 
> I mean I like to use the same footer as this mailinglist are using:
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/b%40grabbarna.nu
> What is the variable name to produce the email address on the end of that 
> line?

I search google and find a hint about "%(user_delivered_to)s" but it 
didn't work :-(

/Jan


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[Mailman-Users] Unwanted spaces in subject

[Jan Banan]

Hi,

I get unwanted spaces in the subject line between "[mylist]" and "the 
subject itself". Sometimes it's just one space but most times it is two 
spaces. I have checked and the subject_prefix is "[mylist] " (yes, one 
trailing space). 

When I tested to remove that trailing space the subject-line went like 
"[mylist]the subject"... urg. So anyone got an idea/sollution to what is 
causing the subject to contain unwanted spaces?

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[Mailman-Users] configure sender domain for mailman

[Jan Theofel]

Hello,

I'm running mailman on a SuSE 8.2 box with the included mailman (version 
2.1.1). When I start mailman, I get a lot of these messages in my 
/var/log/mail:

Jul 14 08:55:38 hosting postfix/smtpd[12499]: 10CA785BB: client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
Jul 14 08:55:38 hosting postfix/smtpd[12499]: 10CA785BB: reject: RCPT from 
localhost[127.0.0.1]: 450 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sender address rejected: Domain not 
found; from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to=<***protected***> proto=ESMTP 
helo=
Jul 14 08:55:39 hosting postfix/smtpd[12499]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1]

In /var/lib/mailman I get:

Jul 14 08:55:52 2003 (3101) delivery to ***proztected*** failed with code 450: <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found

THe problem is obvoiusly, that our postfix mailsystem does not accept mails
from domains which do not exists like "e36.suse.de". But why does mailman
try to send mails with this domain? And where can I changed this?

Thanks in advance,
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[Mailman-Users] Upgrade from Mailman 2.1.1 -> 2.1.2

[Jan Banan]

Hi,

I'm quite new to Mailman and for some time ago installed Mailman 2.1.1 . 
Now I think it's time to upgrade to 2.1.2 :-)

I looked at mailman-2.1.2/UPGRADING but couldn't find anything about 
going from 2.1.1 to 2.1.2 .

So I made a new clean installation av 2.1.2 beside 2.1.1 and compared 
them. It seems like there is a new file data/sitelist.cfg that was not 
available in 2.1.1 . How should I treat that file? I suppose I should 
keep it in that directory.

Also I saw you have changed alot options in Mailman/Defaults.py like 1/0 
to instead Yes/No so I made the appropriate changes to my 
Mailman/mm_cfg.py .

As to what I can see it looks like I only need to keep one file 
(Mailman/mm_cfg.py) and these six directories: archives data lists locks 
logs qfiles

Also I see the file data/last_mailman_version ... should I use the one 
from 2.1.1 or 2.1.2 when I move to 2.1.2 ? When I tested to keep the one 
from 2.1.1 then Mailman didn't do anything to that file even after I 
started 2.1.2 (it is still the same as from 2.1.1).

Thanks for your answers.

Regards,
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[Mailman-Users] error adding a new list

[Jan Theofel]

Hello,

I have a problem adding a new list to mailman:

--- snip ---
mailgate:/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman # ../bin/newlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
test
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "../bin/newlist", line 219, in ?
main()
  File "../bin/newlist", line 160, in main
mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 431, 
in Create
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 203, in 
ValidateEmail
Mailman.Errors.MMHostileAddress: ks-liste@(unused)
--- snap ---

Can some please tell me how I can solve this problem?

In my mm_cfg.py I use the follwoing settings:
--- snip ---
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'mailman.etes.de'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_NAME = 'mailman.etes.de'
DEFAULT_URL = 'http://mailman.etes.de/mailman/'
MAILMAN_OWNER = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
SMTPPORT = 25
--- snap ---

Bye,
Jan

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[Mailman-Users] List creation role per virtual domain?

[Jan Stap]

Hello,
 
where each user on the server gets an account 
and a subdomain of the server domain. So, suppose the server is called 
server.domain.com, a user joe gets an account "joe" and is assigned the domain 
joe.domain.com. Joe has a home page http://joe.domain.com and may send and receive 
mail on @joe.domain.com. Further, Joe may create and 
maintain one or more mailing lists at joe.domain.com. Ideally, joe should enter 
his account password at the list creation web page, in order to be able to 
create a list.
 
With the multi-domain functionality of Mailman 
2.1b1, a user may moderate his lists and change the lists configurations. List 
creation is however a central role, so each user has to ask the server admin to 
create a list for him, which does not scale very much. Am I overlooking a 
feature, or should I create a wrapper script around the create CGI script and 
adjust the list creation web page to get the desired result?
 
Thanks very much.
 
Cheers,
 
Jan Stap
 

[Mailman-Users] List creation role per virtual domain?

[Jan Stap]

Hello,

I am setting up Mailman 2.1b1 at a server, where each user gets an 
account and a subdomain of the server domain. So, suppose the server 
is called server.domain.com, a user joe gets an account "joe" and is 
assigned the domain joe.domain.com. Joe has a home page 
http://joe.domain.com and may send and receive mail on 
@joe.domain.com. 

Further, Joe may create and maintain one or more mailing lists at 
joe.domain.com. Ideally, joe should enter his account password at the 
list creation web page, in order to be able to create a list.
 
With the multi-domain functionality of Mailman 2.1b1, a user may 
moderate his lists and change the lists configurations. List creation 
is however a central role, so each user has to ask the server admin 
to create a list for him, which does not scale very much. Am I 
overlooking a feature, or should I create a wrapper script around 
the create CGI script and adjust the list creation web page to get 
the desired result?
 
Thanks very much.
 
Cheers,
 
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[Mailman-Users] Question about the to-line in mailman

[Jan Theofel]

Hello,

we are running mailman on our system for a few mailinglists. For one we
would like that the recipient is written in the "To:" line of the mail
header and not the adress of the mailinglist. We looked for this in the
settings, but can't find it.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] personalized To-Header

[Jan Theofel]

Hello,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 08:12:25PM +0200, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> > > When we send out a newsletter, the To-Header is the mailadress of the
> > > list. It would be nice if the To-Header would be the adress of the
> > > actual recipient, but I dont know if this is possible.
> >
> > It's possible with Qmail and the qmail-verh patch (see
> > http://mailman.cis.to/qmail-verh/ for details) and a minor
> > modification to Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py
> >
> 
> thnx,
> any idea for sendmail ?

... and for postfix?

Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] Trouble avoiding footer as attachment

[Jan Eri]

Hi,
we are using Mailman 2.1.4 on debian linux. We are having a problem 
getting rid of footers as attachments. As we don't want HTML mail, we 
thought that would be easy. I found this FAQ entry 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>, 
and according to option 2 in this list:

1. Configure Mailman to remove the footer
2. Configure Mailman to strip the HTML and send out all messages as text-only
3. Get everyone to change the MUA they use to one that is more MIME-aware
4. Live with the problem
I have changed "Should Mailman filter..." on the "Content filtering" 
page to Yes, I believe the rest is still at default values:

1. Remove attachments that have a matching content type: blank
2. Remove attachments that don't have a matching content type: 
multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative, text/plain
3. Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? Yes
4. Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules: 
discard

According to 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp> I 
expected that to be enough. But still some (not all) of the messages are 
coming through with the footer as attachment. What have I done wrong?

regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble avoiding footer as attachment

[Jan Eri]

Brad Knowles wrote:
At 11:38 AM +0200 2004-07-11, Jan Eri wrote:
 According to
 <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp>
 I expected that to be enough. But still some (not all) of the messages
 are coming through with the footer as attachment. What have I done 
wrong?
If you could please, take a look at the updated version of 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp> 
and tell me if this would have answered the question for you.

The explanation in the FAQ is good, but I'm still not able to do what I 
want. Maybe it's like Jim suggests.

This is from header of message with footer and NO attachment:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is from header of message with footer AND attachment:
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
--===1225672080==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Can't really expect all my users to handle the neccessary MUA config. 
Sounds like I have to give up on this?

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman and utf8

[Jan Kohnert]

Hello guys,

sorry if I missed something in the docs...

I recently changed my system to use utf8 encoding and get now strange signs in 
the maillinglist archives for non US-ASCII letters linke ä,ö,ü,ß and so on.

Is there a parameter to tell pipermail to use utf8 encoding for the web 
archive? Or at least the encoding of the mail itself (although this would 
obviously be more difficult to do...)?

TIA,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and utf8

[Jan Kohnert]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:
> Jan Kohnert wrote:
> >Is there a parameter to tell pipermail to use utf8 encoding for the web
> >archive? Or at least the encoding of the mail itself (although this would
> >obviously be more difficult to do...)?
>
> There is an LC_DESCRIPTIONS dictionary that has an entry for each
> Mailman supported language giving the language name and character set.
> Look at the end of Defaults.py.
>
> You can put something like
>
>
> def _(s):
> return s
> add_language('en',_('English (USA)'),   'utf-8')
> del _

So I added the lines:
def _(s):
return s
add_language('de',_('German'),   'iso-8859-15')
  ^^^
  if I set utf-8 here, I get
  horrible font problems, must
  figure out, why...
del _

and also:
DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8'

to mm_cfg.py

but that didn't do the trick.

In the html-pages of the archive there is still the html-meta tag:


and so the content is not displayed correctly...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and utf8

[Jan Kohnert]

Dan Phillips schrieb:
> On Sep 8, 2005, at 8:29 AM, Jan Kohnert wrote:
> > In the html-pages of the archive there is still the html-meta tag:
> > 
>
> Did you regenerate the archives? They are static html created at he
> time a message is added, so for a change in character set to appear,
> you must run bin/arch --wipe listname

Many thanks, now it is working.

> Dan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Small question

[Jan Kohnert]

Tom Ray schrieb:
> I set up a Mailman list for someone, and the address was
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] but they only use this domain so now they just
> want [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've made some changes to mm_cfg.py in my virtual
> hosts line, modified the settings in Exim, and I try sending to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is a test list I have, I'm not getting bounce
> backs but I'm also not getting mail. Am I missing some other files I
> might have to make changes in?

Why not looking in your mailman and Exim logfiles?

You could also post them here.

But if you don't give more information, I'm sure nobody can help you...

> TIA

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question - Setting up email

[Jan Kohnert]

Greg Burnett / Ascend Network schrieb:
> I just installed Mailman on my X86 PC - Debian Linux OS  - Apache works
> but I cant figure out how to set up the actual mail settings. I have
> sendmail. 

You have sendmail on your maschine running mailman? If it is not configured 
and running, I would leave it as it is...

> I have my own domain and mail server but it is located on a 
> commercial account outside my machine.  My email address would be
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and along with my domain is at dnsbuy.com.  

I'm bit of confused. the lists domain should be ascendnetwork.com but what is 
dnsbuy.com? The Domain on which your mailserver is hosted? Your own local 
domain? And if so why setting the lists domain to ascendnetwork.com?

> Do I need to set up a mail account on my local machine and if so,
> how do I do this? 

You don't.

> If I can use my outside email address as the post to address, how 
> do I set it up in mailman and in sendmail? 

For mailman you might want to have a look at the parameter 
"DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST" in Mailman/Default.py and set it correctly in 
Mailman/mm_cfg.py. As said before, I would leave sendmail as it is...

> Thanks for the help. 

HTH,

> Greg Burnett

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[Mailman-Users] Personalized Email

[Jan Shaw]

How do I show the individual email addresses of recipient in their  
To: window ?  They are all members of a list but the sender wants it  
to look like they are receiving an individual email from him.  I am  
researching FAQ 3.15. How do I enable personalization.  Is this the  
right place for the answer? I am unable to locate the "enable  
personalization to true"  Thanks for your help.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and UTF8

[Jan Kohnert]

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Mark Sapiro schrieb:
> Jan Kohnert wrote:
>>
>>So I found out, I have to encode the german mailman.po file in UTF-8 and
>>then rebuild the *.mo out of it. Now it works, so I can provide this
>>version (to large for this list to attach it). (Mailman 2.1.9_rc1).
>
>
> I18n issues like the above are better discussed on the mailman-i18n
> list <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-i18n>.

Agreed, so I'm crossposting this one for References in the I18N list.
Followups please on that list.

>>But there is one (small) thing left:
>>If you look in [1] you will notice one incorrectly displayed character
>>(the ---next part---, in German ---n=E4chster Teil--- does not work in
>> all
>>cases ([1] does not work, [2] does), altough all my editors say, the
>>umlaut is correctly declared...
>
>
> It looks like in [1] somehow the utf-8 encoded message got interpreted
> as some other character set (maybe iso-8859-1) and then got encoded
> again as utf-8 so that instead if the a with umlaut, you see the bytes
> of the utf-8 encoding of a with umulaut displayed as characters.
>
> This may be a scrubber issue of some kind, but I am not sure why it
> would occur with only one of two apparently structurally identical
> messages from the same poster, but here is a clue.
>
> I looked at the text file
> <https://secure.the-pojs.dyndns.org/pipermail/pojs-discussion/2006-November.txt>.
> While there are no Content-Type: headers in that file, I can see the
> encoding of the Subject: header. It appears that the 'bad' posts are
> 'original' posts and are iso-8859-1 encoded by the poster's (you) MUA,
> and the 'good' posts are 'replies' and are utf-8 encoded by the MUA.
>
> Thus it appears that there may be a scrubber issue when the character
> set of the incoming message is iso-8859-1 but the i18n translated
> canned messages are utf-8.
>
> What mailman version is this?

Leaving your comment completely in heare for reference; as said above,
this is v2.1.9.

Regards Jan


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Change of member address via web fails

[Jan Steinman]

> Nancy Shoemaker wrote:
>> 
>> (thanks, for example, for the 
>> mailman-subscribers.py script!)

Speaking of "mailman-subscribers.py", some time ago, Mark, you sent me a lovely 
patch that would print subscribers as:

Firstname Lastname 

I don't know when that quit working, but probably some automagic OS update 
wiped it out somewhere along the way.

At the time, I thought it was going to go back into the main distribution. 
Would it be possible to have it re-integrated into Mailman?

I can probably dig up the original correspondence and patch if that would be 
helpful.


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that it was worth it — if this would 'fix it'. So the operation took place, and 
sure enough the man had no more pain. A few months later, he walked into a 
store and saw his favorite kind of jeans on sale. He was ready to buy a few 
pair when the salesman remarked "Those are some good looking jeans. But the way 
they are built will give you a severe pain in the balls. I don't recommend 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Custom Implementation

[Jan Steinman]

> From: Kirk MacKenzie 
> 
> Has anyone created a version of Mailman that integrates into a website's 
> webpages?

What do you want to see integrated?

It's trivial to have a mailing list sign-up form integrated into a website. 
This is from http://www.EcoReality.org, a MediaWiki site I modified:


http://www.ecoreality.org/mailman/subscribe/advisory"; 
method="post" style="display:inline">

Get our 
newsletter!
Name: 
Email Address: 





I can't imagine needing other functions "integrated," but perhaps I simply lack 
imagination...

Regardless, all I did to integrate mailing list sign-up was to "observe" what 
the Mailman sign-up form was doing, and then I POSTed the same fields to it 
from a different form. I think it would be fairly easy to get Mailman to do 
anything you want in a similar manner. Just go to the form that does what you 
want to integrate, and look at the HTML source, copy, paste, modify, and Bob's 
your uncle!

Or perhaps I totally missed what it was you were asking for.


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[Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains stopped working

[Jan Steinman]

Environment: MacOS X 10.6.8 server on Mac Mini, Mailman v2.1.14, as supplied 
with MacOS X. I have a main MX mail server (mail.bytesmiths.com) and a number 
of other domain names, all sharing the same static IP. I run my own DNS, with 
all domains pointing MX records to mail.bytesmiths.com. Each of these domains 
have one or more mailman lists that were working properly a few days ago.

I added a new list to one of the domains (ecoreality.org) using the Mailman web 
interface. Then all my lists stopped working, with error messages like:
: user unknown

(I thought just the new one wasn't working, until someone forwarded me the 
reject notice they got when they tried to post to a list.)

/etc/postfix/main.cf refers to two mailman files:
virtual_alias_maps = 
hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman,hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_users
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases

I went into /var/mailman/data and noticed that "aliases" was newer than 
"aliases.db". So in what was perhaps a foolish shot in the dark, I did "postmap 
aliases" and "postmap virtual-mailman" to refresh the .db files, but to no 
avail.

I can still get in the admin pages for the lists I administer, and I'm still 
getting subscription notifications via web sign-up, but sending out through at 
least several of the lists I've tried all fail.

Any clues what I can do to fix this? I'm fairly competent and happy to be 
pointed in the right direction.

Thanks!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains stopped working

[Jan Steinman]

On 22 Jun 12, at 06:47, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Jan Steinman wrote:
>> 
>> /etc/postfix/main.cf refers to two mailman files:
>>  virtual_alias_maps = 
>> hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman,hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_users
>>  alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases
>> 
>> I went into /var/mailman/data and noticed that "aliases" was newer than 
>> "aliases.db". So in what was perhaps a foolish shot in the dark, I did 
>> "postmap aliases" and "postmap virtual-mailman" to refresh the .db files, 
>> but to no avail.
> 
> 
> You should have done "postalias aliases", not postmap.

Thanks, Mark -- that fixed it!


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[Mailman-Users] Create an alias address for a mailing list

[Jan Reimann]

Hello,
I created a mailing list via the mailman web interface. The address fir
it is li...@domain.org. Is it possible to create an alias for this
address so that li...@domain.org represents the same list as
li...@domain.org?

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[Mailman-Users] Digest growing to infinity

[Jan Krohn]

Dear All,

 

I'm new to this list, but I've been using mailman for many years.

For a new project, I created seven identical lists (identical configuration)
in seven different languages, all running on Mailman 2.1.15. This works fine
for 6 lists.

The Japanese list however is behaving extremely strange. I'm not sure
whether this is a bug or misconfiguration on my side.

 

The digest being sent out is the same one every day, and the new posts are
just appended to it. So the daily digest is growing and growing and growing.
(Just to clarify: I have not subscribed the mailing list address itself to
the list! :)

 

I'm on shared hosting, so I haven't got full access to all files. But maybe
someone here knows how to get it right. If it helps, my lists are accessible
here: http://heidoc.net/mailman/listinfo

 

Thanks and best wishes,

Jan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest growing to infinity

[Jan Krohn]

Thanks for the replies so far. The host has reset the permissions. No digest
was sent out today, which is a bit strange. The next run will show if
everything's fine now...

Jan 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 12:34
An: Stephen J. Turnbull; Jan Krohn
Cc: Mailman-Users@python.org
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest growing to infinity

It certainly seems that Mailman's cron/senddigests is not removing the
lists/LISTNAME/digest.mbox file after creating the digest. I doubt however
that check_perms will find a problem. The lists/LISTNAME/ directory must be
writable by Mailman as it also contains the list configuration files and
every time the list is updated for a post or anything else, a new temporary
config file is created and then the existing files all have their names
changed so that the config becomes the backup and the new temporary file
becomes the config, all of which requires write access to the directory.

My first thought is that cron/senddigests is not being run as the Mailman
user, but that seems unlikely as other lists work.

The host also needs to check Mailman's error log which should contain clues.

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[Mailman-Users] 403 error after prune_arch

[Jan Krohn]

Hello,

 

I'm still new to permissions, ownership etc. but I have a problem.

 

I installed and executed prune_arch

http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~msapiro/scripts/prune_arch

 

Is this the up to date version?

 

However, after execution, I'm getting a 403 error on the archive pages.

 

I've already checked ownership of the public folders, and confirmed it's
mailman:mailman as it should be (this was a problem before from migrated
lists).

 

Any other idea what to look into?

 

Thanks and best wishes,

Jan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 403 error after prune_arch

[Jan Krohn]

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Mai 2013 06:13
An: Jan Krohn
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] 403 error after prune_arch

On 05/13/2013 10:07 AM, Jan Krohn wrote:
>> I'm still new to permissions, ownership etc. but I have a problem.

> Which is almost certainly permissions related. What does your web server
error log say?

Not checked, issue solved (see below).

>> I installed and executed prune_arch
>> http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~msapiro/scripts/prune_arch
>> Is this the up to date version?

> If you got it any time after Sept 27, 2012, yes it is.

I got it on Monday, so it's good...

>> However, after execution, I'm getting a 403 error on the archive pages.
>> I've already checked ownership of the public folders, and confirmed 
>> it's mailman:mailman as it should be (this was a problem before from 
>> migrated lists).

> archives/public should contain only symlinks to corresponding things in
archives/private.

That's the case.

> Have you tried running bin/check_perms?

Just tried:

Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
 This could allow other users on your system to read private
archives.
 If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
 installation manual on how to fix this.
No problems found

> Note that archives/private MUST be o+x or owned by the web server user.

Checked, this is the case (drwxrws--x)

> Note that bin/prune_arch only creates a new
archives/private/LIST.mbox/LIST.mbox file and invokes bin/arch to rebuild
the HTML archive, but archives/private should be group mailman and SETGID so
everything should be created with group mailman, and be world readable.

That's it. Some directories archives/private/LIST were owned by
root.mailman. I changed to mailman.mailman, and the archives are back (and
pruned properly)!

Thanks for your help!

Jan

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[Mailman-Users] mails without MIME delimiter break when sent through mailman

[Jan Lausch]

Dear all,

I've got a strange problem that I'd ask for help with. I tried to word it as 
easy I could.

Abstract:
Some MUAs send picture-attachments not seperated by MIME-delimiters, but by 
"begin" and "end". Mailman adding the list footer with a MIME-delimiter breaks 
these mails.


Detailed description: 
Since migrating a list to a new server (mailman 2.1.12), mails with attachments 
(pictures) coming from one of the subscribers come with the picture not as 
picture but as plaintext within the mail. However the same mail, sent directly 
(not over list) looks fine. It seems the extra MIME element (list footer) added 
by mailman, breaks the MIME set. As I said: with the old server (older mailman) 
this did not happen.


Let's look at the details:
 
Example what a broken mail looks like:

This is the body of the email
blablabla
begin 666 examplepicture.jpg
M_]C_X `02D9)1@`!`0$`2 !(``#_X0_^17AI9@``34T`*@@`"@$/``(`
M```&A@$0``()C $2``,!``$```$:``4!E@$;
M``4!G@$H``,!``(```$Q``($-BXQ``$R``(4
...
--

Facts:
- X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0
- Other versions of Outlook / other MUAs work fine
- Before the migration (older mailman) all was working fine
- sending the same mail directly (not over mailman) will result in a decently 
visible mail
- there are interesting differences in the MIME-declarations

 
Let's try to figure this out and compare an email sent from another MUA to a 
broken one:
 
HEADER - WORKING MAIL OVER LIST
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_04C6_01CE4BF9.45807730"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157

HEADER - BROKEN MAIL OVER LIST
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===1490256753484786707=="

--

BODY - WORKING MAIL OVER LIST
Envelope-To: X
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--=_NextPart_000_04C6_01CE4BF9.45807730
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

BODY TEXT HERE   

--=_NextPart_000_04C6_01CE4BF9.45807730
Content-Type: image/jpeg;
name="DSC_0138 1024-50.jpg"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename="DSC_0138 1024-50.jpg"

/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEASABIAAD/2wBDABALDA4MChAODQ4SERATGCgaGBYWGDEjJR0oOjM9PDkz


 
BODY - BROKEN MAIL OVER LIST
Envelope-To: XXX
--===1490256753484786707==
Content-Language: de

BODY TEXT HERE  X

begin 666 DSC_0138 1024-50.jpg
M_]C_X `02D9)1@

 END OF WORKING MAIL
PICTURE DATA
--=_NextPart_000_04C6_01CE4BF9.45807730
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline
___
XXX mailing list
XXX@XXX.dehttp://lists.XXX.de/mailman/listinfo/XXX[https://3c.gmx.net/mail/client/dereferrer?redirectUrl=http%3A%2F%2Flists.XXX.de%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2FXXX&selection=tfol11c55a91759e2e2e]
--=_NextPart_000_04C6_01CE4BF9.45807730--




This is how the plaintext of a broken email ends:

[PICTURE DATA]
end
--===1490256753484786707==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline
___
XXX mailing list
XXX@XXX.dehttp://lists.XXX.de/mailman/listinfo/XXX[https://3c.gmx.net/mail/client/dereferrer?redirectUrl=http%3A%2F%2Flists.XXX.de%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2FXXX&selection=tfol11c55a91759e2e2e]
--===1490256753484786707==--

 
 
COMMENT

Obviously the jpeg isn't seperated by the delimiter here even though the 
delimiter is introduced in the header but instead the picture only has "begin" 
and "end".
I'm a bit confused: is "begin" and "end" a replacement for a MIME-delimiter?

Is that a correct MIME-set? But still this malformatted mail does work if sent 
directly to recipient (not via mailman) and still does NOT have the delimiter 
then. It only breaks when sent via mailman.
Obviously things stop working when mailman adds the delimiter consisting the 
msg_footer.
 
Does anyone have an idea on what to do?
 
Can I perhaps prevent mailman adding a footer if I leave "msg_footer" empty?
Is it still added (empty) or not at all?
 
Thanks for your help and thoughts!
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mails without MIME delimiter break when sent through mailman

[Jan Lausch]

Hi all,

thanks for your help, it is much appreciated.

Mark wrote:
> This is a pre-MIME uuencoded attachment.

Wow - ancient indeed. Must have been around the time i played text-based 
adventures in my local mailbox here. Whoops, memories coming up :-)


> However, I don't understand why adding msg_footer to the body would
> "break" the mail. Mailman should not be changing anything in the body
> between the begin and end delimiters so the uuencoded data chould be intact.


And here Stephen is completely correct in assuming:

> I would guess that some recipient MUA readded uuencode support only as
> a bug fix without really thinking about what they were doing, and it's
> only supported at the end of a message in the MIME trailer.


Mailman doesn't change anything in the body as such, however I get reports from 
multiple users that their MUAs do not show the picture as an attachment if 
there is a MIME object behind.
At least the following MUAs seem to be affected:
- Thunderbird 17.0.4
- Outlook 11
- Outlook 14

Outlook 14 (= MS Office 2010, if I remember correctly) is also the one 
producing the uuencoding.
Google revealed that this seems to be a known issue and does indeed happen with 
attachments to plaintext-mails if the respective switch in outlook is set.

So I will have that user correct his setting and all should be fine then.

The fact that this did not happen before migrating to the current mailman 
version could (in this light) be due to a possible re-installation or user 
clicking around in outlook stupidly.

That should solve my problem, thanks very much for your help and have a great 
weekend.

Jan

P.S.:

>> Yes, msg_footer can be empty and Mailman won't add anything.
> N.B. IIRC, it has to be *empty*, not blank.  Make sure there's no
> remnant of whitespace there, either.

Of course :-)
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[Mailman-Users] MM3 [was: Re: Custom Pages]

[Jan Lausch]

Guys,


> Also, my attitude would be much different if we were talking about
> something that was not already at the end of its life cycle.

This brings me to a question I keep asking myself once every year for quite 
some time now: 

What's up with MM3? 
Is there any indication on when it will be ready?

I really don't want to complain at people who donate spare time for good, 
please don't take this as offensive, but is there any indication of a release 
date or a mayor pre-release or, well, let's be honest: is there any progress at 
all?

I mean, the main wiki page http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0 has 
been last updated 3 years ago. Still, their list of work to be done looks good 
- but that's probably only the tip of the work to be done. On the other hand 
the frontend works don't even seem to have begun properly (no templating engine 
chosen, only mockups)...

I really don't want to be impolite and I know that you aren't in charge, but: 
Do you know anything more than us? Is there any work going on? Is it dead? 

I have been living with mailman limitations for so many years now and still it 
is one very reliable and great work of code - but still there's so much more 
this could be and let's face it: mailing lists aren't currently gaining ground 
as the web develops. I believe many people could have great use for a modern 
state of the art mailing engine with the features that are currently up to date.

Regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] MM3

[Jan Lausch]

Dear all,
  
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Yeah, this is a problem. There's been a lot of water flowed under
> that bridge since then, but you can only see it if you look at the
> source trees (I mean the NEWS files, not the .py files :-).


Thanks for getting me up to speed.
I am looking forward to the final thing and I think I just might give the beta 
a try this summer on a staging machine...
And thank you for putting your free time into MM! You guys are great!

Best regards,
Jan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordering of messages in the moderation queue by date?

[Jan Lausch]

Deal all,
 
 > I typically would prefer to see the queue of messages awaiting
> moderation in time order, not alphabetically by email address
> as happens by default.


I totally second that notion.
I have been thinking about this several times before, too.
Would indeed be a very useful addition.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordering of messages in the moderation queue by date?

[Jan Lausch]

Dear Mark,
> should multiple messages from a single address be in separate, 
time sorted boxes [...]

Just my 2ct: keep it simple, no need to have many config options here: 
Just keep the "one box per sender"-idea, but sort the boxes by the time of the 
latest email from that sender.

And thus replace the old sorting order: 
"alphabetical" doesn't have any practical advantage (= someone missing the way 
it worked yet) in my eyes.

Use case "time-sorted" e.g.: find this one mail the user just sent a minute ago 
in a queue full of SPAM.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordering of messages in the moderation queue by date?

[Jan Lausch]

Plenty of people wrote:
> I will say that for a list I run, I find the alphabetical ordering
> useful.
 
All right, all right, I get it. :-)
I didn't want to bug anyone or take something away from you, I just thought 
alphabetical sorting wouldn't be used. Apparently I thought wrong. So then 
let's aggree that the optimal way would be to make this switchable.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscription flood

[Jan Steinman]

> I've got a problem with one of my lists where it's being flooded with 
> spurious subscription requests... from the same address...

Perhaps obvious, and perhaps in the FAQ Mark linked, but this sounds like a job 
for ipfw to me.

I regularly get spambot subscription requests, and they go right in the 
firewall. (For example: "ipfw add deny tcp from 1.2.3.4 to any". You could add 
port 25, but I figure if they are so lax to allow email list spambots, I don't 
need to listen to them at all.)

Generally, they're from countries I could care less about, but if they come 
from someplace "civilized," I may let their abuse address know. (Found via 
"whois 1.2.3.4", for example.)

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[Mailman-Users] Virtual Mailman broke!

[Jan Steinman]

I'm using the Mailman and postfix that came bundled with MacOS X 10.6 (Snow 
Leopard) on a Mac Mini Server.

I have problems adding new lists using the web interface. It's been a problem 
forever, but I've forgotten the magic fixes to magic files that I've done in 
the past to correct it.

I have a number of small non-profits that I host websites for, and each has one 
or more Mailman lists. I run my own DNS and MTA using the domain 
"bytesmiths.com". All these virtual domain lists were working, until I added a 
new list to one of them. It failed to accept the new mailman list address after 
adding the new list through the Mailman web interface.

So then I started poking around, and noticed the new list did not appear like 
other functioning lists in /var/mailman/data files. I carefully added the new 
list by editing "aliases" and "virtual-mailman" files that warned ominously "do 
not edit!" and ran newaliases(1). I verified that the .db files are newer than 
the edited text files.

Well, now NONE of my virtual domains work any more. They fail by redirecting to 
the base domain. For example, mail to new list "gl...@virtualdomain.org" -- 
previously working -- fails with a bounce that "gl...@bytesmiths.com" doesn't 
exist.

Rather than deluge you with config files and error logs, I thought I'd post the 
symptoms first, to see if anyone could point me in the right direction, or 
could request specific config/log info.

My gratis "customers" are being very understanding, given the vast amounts they 
are paying me, but needless to say, I'd like to get them back up ASAP!

Does anyone know what's going on, and how to fix it? What additional 
information can I provide?

Thanks in advance for any advice offered!

 No, Plaintiffs to not have a fundamental right to own and use a dairy cow 
or a dairy herd... No, Plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to consume 
the milk from their own cow... No, Plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right 
to produce and consume the foods of their choice... -- Patrick J. Fiedler
 Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Mailman broke!

[Jan Steinman]

> From: Mark Sapiro 
> 
> On 05/14/2014 04:26 PM, Jan Steinman wrote:
>> I'm using the Mailman and postfix that came bundled with MacOS X 10.6 (Snow 
>> Leopard) on a Mac Mini Server.
> 
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD>. Yes, I know you probably
> can't get help from Apple, but Apple's Mailman is known to be patched in
> ways we have little or no knowledge of, and this affects the help we can
> give you.

>> I have problems adding new lists using the web interface. It's been a 
>> problem forever, but I've forgotten the magic fixes to magic files that I've 
>> done in the past to correct it.

Thanks for your patient questions, Mark.

When I said I'd been there before, I realized I should search the mailman-users 
list archive, and there it was!

I used the mailman web form to create the new list, and the initial symptom is 
that email to that new address bounces with "address unknown" error.

After manually adding the new list to /var/mailman/data "aliases" and 
"virtual-mailman" to look like the other functioning lists, I ran "postmap 
virtual-mailman" and "newaliases".

When I went searching through archives for virtual mailman problems and my 
name, I found a posting that said I needed to run "postalias aliases" in that 
directory. I did so, and now all is well.

Yes, Apple's implementation appears to be badly broken.

I'm saving this email as text in the /var/mailman/data directory and the 
/etc/postfix directories, to save myself some pain the next time it happens... 
:-)

 Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op 

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[Mailman-Users] Help with removing my messages

[Jan Peters]

Dear MailMan,

Before I knew that my name would be published on the web, I wrote about six 
messages on a genealogy list.  I need to have them removed due to safety 
concerns.  The list administrator has not been able to do this.  May I please 
ask you for your help?

Thank you,
Jan Peters



  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 69, Issue 6

[Jan Steinman]

(WARNING: top posting seems appropriate here...)

But Stucki, Microsoft knows what's good for you!

On 4 Nov 09, at 03:00, mailman-users-requ...@python.org wrote:


From: "Chr. von Stuckrad" 
Date: 3 November 2009 04:03:23 PST (CA)
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] regexp help (OT: Edit and Mail)


On Mon, 02 Nov 2009, Savoy, Jim wrote:


Depending on the options set in vi, it can do horrible things to

indentation when you paste things in :(


:-) seen that!  Therefore modern vims have :set paste
and as long as you not 'set nopaste' *no* munging of pastes will be
done! I'm needing/using that all the time, I might even put it
into my '.vimrc' and make it default ...


I just looked at your original posting (using Outlook) and line 3 is
not indented, but rather continuous from line 2, and the other  
indents
are in columns 5 and 9 (not 4 and 8). I shall try viewing it with  
other

mail clients, just for kicks.


'outlook' is a  for programmers.
By Default it *reformats* everything to 'Paragraphs' of the form:
- everything NOT split by an empty line is 'supposed to be a useless
linebreak for mailtransfer', then it collects all those lines and
reformats the resulting words with single whitespaces to window-size.
- an empty line means 'paragraph end', so itself may vanish anyway
only the linebreak in a paragraph stays.

It's like Microsoft(office)Word's view of Text and you are supposed
to write html or rtf anyway :-)

If hints(warnings, whatever) are on, you'll see a line above your
munged mail, saying it removed useless newlines, and by clicking
it you can get them back.

Stucki




 Modern agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into  
food. Without petroleum we will not be able to feed the global  
population. -- Robert L. Hickerson 

 Jan Steinman <http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com> 


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[Mailman-Users] Iphone and Mailman

[Jan Behrens]

Hello,


I'm using mailman 2.1.9 on a suse11 linux server with qmail und i  
found a strange behaviour:


whenever i send an email to the list via the mail.app on my IPhone,  
sent images are lost.


when i send the same email to that list  with Mail on my macbook,  
everything is okay.


since mail works normally and mail.app send its pictures via email to  
other people, it seems to be a small problem with the parsing of an  
iphone mail.


Is there anything known about that or a workaround? i googled und used  
your manuals but haven't found anything.




best regards Jan


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting acknowledgements global option?

[Jan Schlosser]

Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Mark Sapiro wrote on Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:46:16 -0700:
new_member_options It's on the lists General Options page "Default
options for new members joining this list." "Acknowledge the member's
posting"
I suggest changing to:
English: Send confirmation (*) for each posting to the member
German: Für jedes Posting eine Bestätigung an das Mitglied schicken
(*) instead of acknowledgement
Shall I open a bug for that?
Supervisor for the German translation of Mailman is Peer Heinlein.
If he's not reading this list, you can suggest changing this part to 
him.

See http://www.list.org/i18n.html for more information.
Jan
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[Mailman-Users] Problem with Micrososft Exchange 2003 SBS

[Jan Kellermann]

Hello,

please, anybody help.

One of our customers us using a Micrososft Exchange 2003 SBS. Yes, we dont
like it, too.
If this customer send a mail to two lists in to:-field, the mailman
distributes the mail correctly on both lists.
Persons, which are on both lists, get only one email. The problem is, that
the M$-server deletes one mail because they have the same rcpt and
message-id.

We are providing over 200 lists and have no problems at all.
But this customers is sure, that this is a mailman-bug. I need support to
argumentate. Is here anybody who is working with M$-exchange? Or is here
anybody who can proof, that it should be no problem to have 2 mails with
same rcpt and same msg-id?

I found a thread in 2002 describing this problem but not solving. (
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-March/018122.html )

thank you
kelly.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Micrososft Exchange 2003 SBS

[Jan Kellermann]

Hello Mark!

> >We are providing over 200 lists and have no problems at all.
> >But this customers is sure, that this is a mailman-bug. I need support to
> >argumentate. Is here anybody who is working with M$-exchange? Or is here
> >anybody who can proof, that it should be no problem to have 2 mails with
> >same rcpt and same msg-id?

> If you are going to use software that insists on implementing
> Micro$ofts view of how things should work without giving you any
> control, then you're stuck with what you get.

Yes, that's exactly our point of view. But it doesnt help :( The customer
want to get both messages and the mailprovider says, it's our
I need a hint to a RFC, that M$ should not delete this message or sth. like
this.

Greetings
Kelly.

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[Mailman-Users] News-Mail Gateway works only one way

[Jan Eri]

Hi,
we are trying use the news-mail gateway in Mailman 2.1.4 to keep a 
mail-list and a news-group synchronized, two-way. Mailman and the inn 
news-server are running at the same system.

Messages posted to the Mailman list appear on the news-server as 
expected. But messages posted to the news-server does not seem to be 
picked up by the Mailman list. Anyone have a hint what to look for?

BTW, is there a way to influence how often Mailman checks the nntp for 
new messages?

I have tried searching the net, including 
<http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html> and
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all> , but I have not been 
able to find anything relevant about this.

regards,
Jan
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[Mailman-Users] Content filtering, info about removed part

[Jan Eri]

After some experimenting Content filtering it seems to work fine 
(Mailman 2.1.4)

But there is no information in the posted messages when an attachment 
has been removed. Is it possible to insert a line like "Attachments in 
original message removed" or something like that in the footer?

regards,
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[Mailman-Users] Header entries

[Jan Eri]

Hi,
we are using Mailman 2.1.4, but we are handling subscription and 
unsubscription with a separate system. Is there a way to remove the 
List-Subscribe: and List-Unsubscribe: lines from the header of the 
messages from the list?

I did browse tha FAQ, and I got a feeling this may not be easily 
possible. But I hope you will allow me asking the question anyway.

regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Header entries

[Jan Eri]

I'm embarassed, found it after I sent my question. Thanks anyway Tim!
regards,
Jan
Speedy Gonzalis wrote:
Go to your lists admin page.
At the bottom there is an option that says "Should messages from this mailing list 
include the RFC 2369 (i.e. List-*) headers?"
Select "No"
Press the "submit your changes" button.
You may want to do the same with the "List-Post: header" option as well.
Tim
 

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[Mailman-Users] add_member and passwords

[Jan Eri]

Is there a way to control which password a user get when adding users to 
a list with add_member?
We would like to give them the same password they use to access other 
parts of our system.

regards,
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[Mailman-Users] News gateway mess up message-id

[Jan Eri]

Has anyone else noticed that Mailmans news-gateway sometimes changes the 
message-id when sending to nntp?
As an example, this is from a message sent to the maillist:

From - Fri Jan 14 14:34:02 2005
X-Account-Key: account3
X-UIDL: 1105709609.H417769P12176.lindis.dis-norge.no
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 
Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delivery-date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:29 +0100
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lindis.dis-norge.no)
	by lindis.dis-norge.no with esmtp (Exim 4.24 #1 (Debian))
	id 1CpRZr-00039g-Dj; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:23 +0100
Received: from s-smtp-osl-02.bluecom.no ([62.101.193.41])
	by lindis.dis-norge.no with esmtp (Exim 4.24 #1 (Debian))
	id 1CpRZq-00039V-2T
	for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:22 +0100
Received: from amund (host-81-191-130-254.bluecom.no [81.191.130.254])
	by s-smtp-osl-02.bluecom.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6E333881B
	for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:21 +0100 (CET)
From: "Amund Grimstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:04 +0100
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?SV=3A_Hvorfor_er_slektsdata_om_levende_personer_s?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_sensitive=3F?=
X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4
Precedence: list
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

note the line Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
And this is from the same message as received by inn nntp server:
   [0] => Path: lindis.dis-norge.no!not-for-mail
   [1] => From: "Amund Grimstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   [2] => Newsgroups: dis-norge.disforum
   [3] => Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?SV:_Hvorfor_er_slektsdata_om_levende_personer_s=E5_sensiti?=
   [4] => 	=?iso-8859-1?Q?ve=3F?=
   [5] => Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:04 +0100
   [6] => Organization: DIS Norge
   [7] => Lines: 70
   [8] => Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   [9] => Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [10] => NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dis-norge.no
   [11] => Mime-Version: 1.0
   [12] => Content-Type: text/plain;
   [13] => 	charset="iso-8859-1"
   [14] => Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   [15] => X-Trace: lindis.dis-norge.no 1105709602 12131 127.0.0.1 (14 Jan 2005 13:33:22 GMT)
   [16] => X-Complaints-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [17] => NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:33:22 + (UTC)
   [18] => To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   [19] => X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
   [20] => X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
   [21] => X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626
   [22] => X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180
   [23] => Importance: Normal
   [24] => In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   [25] => X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [26] => X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4
   [27] => Precedence: list
   [28] => Xref: lindis.dis-norge.no dis-norge.disforum:281
 

Note the line Message-ID: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is there anything I can do to prevent Mailman from destroying Message-ID 
from time to time (not always)? We are using this ID later on, so this 
gives us some trouble.

thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] News gateway mess up message-id

[Jan Eri]

It seems that noone knows about this. Where should I take the problem if 
this list can't answer it?

I have been able to locate several other reports of the same problem - 
but never a solution.

regards,
Jan
Jan Eri wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that Mailmans news-gateway sometimes changes 
the message-id when sending to nntp?
As an example, this is from a message sent to the maillist:

Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
And this is from the same message as received by inn nntp server:
   [8] => Message-ID: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is there anything I can do to prevent Mailman from destroying 
Message-ID from time to time (not always)? We are using this ID later 
on, so this gives us some trouble.
thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] prob: Downgrade detected, from version 0x20200a0 to version 0x20106b5

[Jan Kellermann]

Hi!

Certainly you may help:
we installed 2.2 some month ago and want now update to the current
1.6-version.
the 2.2-version came from the cvs-rep on sf.net

while installing we got the message
--
Downgrade detected, from version 0x20200a0 to version 0x20106b5
This is probably not safe.
Exiting.
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Thank for help
Jan

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[Mailman-Users] Problem setting up Mailman on Gentoo

[Jan Kohnert]

Hello, I'm new on this list, so let me all greet you.

I have a wierd problem, which was described before [1] on this list (but 
unfortunatly got no response).

I followed the Gentoo Docs as well as the installation manual on your website, 
but I just can't get Mailman working with postfix.

Alias is set like this in postfix's main.cf:
alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases

I looked at both files and they seem to be correct (at least to me):

server /usr/local/mailman/logs # cat ../data/aliases
# This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the
# binary hash file aliases.db.  YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE
# unless you know what you're doing, and can keep the two files properly
# in sync.  If you screw it up, you're on your own.

# The ultimate loop stopper address
mailman-loop: /usr/local/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox

# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Sat May 28 23:25:05 2005
mailman: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
# STANZA END: mailman

If I add above lines to /etc/mail/aliases and run newaliases, I get:
May 28 23:51:16 server mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected 
the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's 
mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody".  Try tweaking the 
mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,  
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'.
May 28 23:51:17 server postfix/local[10690]: BDC4846AA9: 
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced 
(Command died with status2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman". 
Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper 
script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server 
executed the mail script as group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to 
run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,  providing the 
command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. )
May 28 23:51:17 server postfix/cleanup[10687]: 0B2B646AAA: 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If I not add it, I get:
May 28 23:51:59 server postfix/smtpd[10699]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 
localhost[127.0.0.1]: 550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address 
rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; 
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> proto=ESMTP 
helo=
May 28 23:51:59 server postfix/smtpd[10699]: disconnect from 
localhost[127.0.0.1]

I'm sure I just overlooked something obvious, but the only thing I found was 
(as said) [1].

Hoping for an answer.

Best regards Jan

[1] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-July/038094.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem setting up Mailman on Gentoo

[Jan Kohnert]

Just figured out myself.

On Gentoo, there is more than one alias_maps entry in postfixs main.cf, so 
only the last one was taken and Mailmans alias file was never used...

Sorry for the inconvenience...

But good to know, if someone struggles into similar problems.

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[Mailman-Users] Postfix, Amavis and mailhost

[Jan Kohnert]

Hello,

I'm using Mailman and Postfix with Amavis and it works quite good.

But I have one performance problem:
If a message arrives at my server, it is checked by amavis. If the recipient 
is the list, it it passed to mailman, which the message puts back to postfix 
and then it is checked twice by amavis...

So my question:

Is it possible to tell mailman to deliver to the postfix instance, which 
delivers finally? Something like adding the port of my final delivery 
instance to the mailhost variable (mail.relay.tld:Port instead of 
mail.relay.tld)?

TIA

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?

[Jan Kohnert]

roy vinner schrieb:
> Greetings!

Hello,

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.6]$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try
> Failure to find group name mailman.  Try adding this group
> to your system, or re-run configure, providing an
> existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid.

This message says it all. Why not adding group mailman to your system? Be sure 
gid is set to the gid of your mailman installation.

> Thank you for your suggestions.

HTH,

> Thankfully,
> Roy

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[Mailman-Users] managing pending subscriptions and confirmations

[Jan Steinman]

I seem to be gathering a fair number of unrequited pending  
subscriptions on several mailing lists. I see them by grepping for  
"pending" in /var/log/mailman/subscribe, and then checking for  
corresponding "new" entries. I did this after one of my hosting  
clients complained that people were subscribing to her newsletter, but  
weren't actually getting added to the mailing list.

These are "real" subscription requests -- not spammers or other trash.  
They are primarily people who have asked to subscribe, and then they  
were sent to the sign-up page. Many of them are relatively  
unsophisticated Internet users.

I have successfully gone through the subscription process with several  
alias addresses, so I know that it works -- at least from within my LAN.

I can only surmise that the confirmation messages are languishing in  
people's spam mailbox.

One of my clients is considering using a paid service called "Constant  
Contact" (http://www.constantcontact.com) because they claim they can  
get through people's spam filters.

Any clues, hints, or techniques for having mailman self-subscriptions  
without getting the confirmation stuck in spam filters?

I tried using the "listname-join" email address technique, but the  
confirmation comes back as from "listname-request", so it seems spam  
filters that allow replies to addresses previously sent to won't help  
here. Is there a way to make the "From:" address "listname-join"  
instead? (This should not cause any problems, because "Reply-To:"  
would still be "listname-request".)

Any other thoughts or comments welcome!

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have an exponential growth culture that at the present time doesn't  
even know how to cope with a state of non-growth. -- M. King Hubbert,  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 48, Issue 41

[Jan Steinman]

> From: "Thomas J Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Help  please remove me from distribution.
>
> -Original Message-
> ...
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
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[Mailman-Users] Introduction, and another archive question

[Jan Cohen]

Hi folks,

I'm a "well-versed in perl/php but doesn't know squat about python" information 
architect/sr. tech writer who's volunteered his time to help the Interaction 
Design Association (IxDA) straighten out a few quirks with their Mailman-based 
mailing list.  The question: is there any way (e.g., custom handlers) to add a 
link to the footers of smtp-generated messages that would allow readers to 
navigate to a specific thread in the IxDA's web-based archive?  We've been able 
to set up the indexing for mail generated via the IxDA's web-based app 
satisfactorily, but we haven't been able to find an answer to the indexing 
question for mail that's sent to the list via an email app.  A more detailed 
description of our setup follows:



Here's how our current system works. Everything starts with
the Mailman listserv. All member messages addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] go
through Mailman. It mails them back out to the entire membership and at the
same time creates an HTML archive of the message. That archive is here:


http://tinyurl.com/3b9zm8


( http://tinyurl.com/33ek3s is the link what's actually presented on the web)




When Mailman creates the individual HTML page for a particular message, it
assigns a sequential unique id and embeds it in the filename for the created
page. About a year ago we started scraping those HTML archives and putting the
contents of messages in a database and using them to drive the website at
ixda.org. The unique ids we use for our posts are based on the unique ids 
Mailman
generates.



The problem is, the unique ids don't exist until after Mailman sends out the
e-mail to the list, so it's not clear how to embed them in the e-mail
beforehand. On the web we have an advantage. We don't need to embed the actual
post id, which is unknowable in advance; we only have to embed the id of the
initial post in the thread, which we already know at the time of composition.
We append that link onto the body of the message before we send the e-mail from
the website to Mailman.



Members who send e-mail directly to discuss@ get their e-mails redistributed
through Mailman directly without an opportunity to add any link to the e-mail.
Even if we had a way to know the post id to embed, it's not clear whether it's
possible to create a dynamic footer of any kind in Mailman.



Any idea for other ways to structure the system?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Jan Cohen
 





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Introduction, and another archive question

[Jan Cohen]

Thanks for that info, Mark.

Any idea of how close (or far away) the 3.0 release is?

Jan C.

- Original Message 
From: Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; mailman-users@python.org
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:17:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Introduction, and another archive question

In 
the 
current 
Mailman 
archiving 
system 
and 
architecture, 
it's 
just 
not
possible 
for 
the 
mail 
delivery 
process 
to 
know 
the 
id 
of 
the 
message
in 
the 
archive.

There 
will 
be 
improvement 
in 
the 
Mailman 
3.0 
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[Mailman-Users] Subscription mail-back failure

[Jan Steinman]

I have a hosting client who is seeing intermittent failures of the  
subscription process. The user successfully fills in the subscription  
information, gets the subscription confirmation notice with the link  
and then tries to reply, and gets a bounce:



Permanent Failure:
550_5.1.1_[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:_Recipient

_address_rejected:_User_unknown_in_virtual_alias_table
Delivery last attempted at Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:41:20 -
Reporting-MTA: dns; isp.att.net
Arrival-Date: 27 Apr 2008  1:41:04 +

Final-Recipient: rfc822; <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>

Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0 550_5.1.1_<[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>:_Recipient_address_rejected:_User_unknown_in_virtual_alias_table

Diagnostic-Code: smtp; Permanent Failure: Other undefined Status
Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:41:20 -


Apparently, clicking the link is working, because hundreds of  
subscriptions have succeeded. I can only assume the only ones failing  
are ones that people mail back, rather than clicking the link.


This is a fairly plain-jane installation. EcovillageNewsletter.org is  
defined as a virtual domain. I don't see where I should have  
configured anything special to enable this. Other mailing lists I host  
(also on virtual domains) )aren't having this problem.


Any clues where I should begin digging?


 Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the  
big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for  
example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage  
increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula  
that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different  
cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal   
accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be  
-- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any  
sense to you? -- George W. Bush 

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[Mailman-Users] Disable word-wrap?

[Jan Steinman]

I've done a quick scan of wiki.list.org, used grep and locate to try  
to find config options, and still cannot determine how to adjust the  
word-wrapping behaviour of Mailman.


I often send out long links to unsophisticated audiences, who then  
tell me "the link is broken" when Mailman breaks the link in order to  
wrap the line to some specific length. I'd rather not go the tinyurl  
opaque reference route, since the links I send are meaningfully read  
by my few sophisticated users.


Is there a place I can adjust the length to be much longer, or perhaps  
to disable word-wrapping altogether?


Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disable word-wrap?

[Jan Steinman]

On 19 Jun 08, at 10:57, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Is there a place I can adjust the length to be much longer, or  
perhaps

to disable word-wrapping altogether?


Mailman doesn't do line wrapping.



Interesting. The only email that I send out that gets wrapped is stuff  
that goes through Mailman. I can send the exact same thing to a  
postfix alias of exactly the same people, and it doesn't get wrapped.


So it may well be true that "Mailman doesn't do line wrapping," but  
from my perspective, it's doing something that *causes* line wrapping  
to happen!


In fact, I'd venture to guess that this email, which is sent to the  
list and to Mark and I on the Cc: will show up wrapped on the list,  
and not wrapped on the Cc's.


Regardless of who's doing it, any better ideas on how to keep it from  
happening? Line-wrapping is so "VT-100" '80's. I'm staring at Mark's  
email on my 1920-pixel screen, with about 9/10th of the screen showing  
blank white.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disable word-wrap?

[Jan Steinman]

On 19 Jun 08, at 12:02, Steve Burling wrote:

--On June 19, 2008 11:46:44 AM -0700 Jan Steinman  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


In fact, I'd venture to guess that this email, which is sent to the  
list
and to Mark and I on the Cc: will show up wrapped on the list, and  
not

wrapped on the Cc's.


To which I reply:

For what it's worth, it didn't arrive line-wrapped at my end.  The  
wider I made my mail window, the longer the lines got.


Interestinger and interestinger... the text Steve says wasn't line- 
wrapped became so when quoted, above, but his reply text was not.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

[Jan Steinman]

From: Doug Laidlaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

... one would think that an OS that wants to rule the world would
be compatible with the most popular mailing list software.  Oh,  
well...


Wow, you mean Microsoft is going to be compatible with Mailman?  
Cool! :-)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] several questions.

[Jan Steinman]

From: Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

James - Dunn Deal PR wrote:

1.	Does MailMan support attachments? I read that it does, but I  
want to

be sure. MM is no good to me if it doesn’t.


Mailman has optional content filtering. If you turn it off, Mailman
will pass the message to the list with all attachment's intact



Except (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) that  
digests never have attachments.


So if you allow attachments, and expect people to receive them, you  
should disable digest mode.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] several questions.

[Jan Steinman]

Thanks for the explanation, Mark. I've never used anything but plain  
text digests, so I didn't know there was a way to get attachments that  
way.


On 8 Aug 08, at 20:18, Mark Sapiro wrote:


All the attachments that were included in the individual messages sent
to a list (i.e. not removed by content filtering) are in the MIME
format digest.

Attachments of types other than plain text are scrubbed from the plain
format digest and stored in the archive and replaced by URLs to the
scrubbed attachments in the plain digest.

So yes, plain digests do not contain the attachments, but do contain
links to the attachments, but MIME digests contain the attachments in
the digest.





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Whitelisting & Blacklisting domains

[Jan Steinman]

From: "Edward Ned Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I am configuring a company private mailman server, where we want  
people
inside the company to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe freely...  
And

block any attempts from anyone outside the company.

Is there some whitelisting/blacklisting/pattern matching capability,  
to
automatically accept subscriptions from within the company and deny  
from

outside?


Sounds like a firewall issue. Run Mailman on a separate port, and  
block it outside the firewall.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] many problems

[Jan Steinman]

From: Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 12:53 AM -0400 9/4/08, Brian Carpenter wrote:
It seems like you are going through a lot just to run one(?) list.  
You might
want to check us out at http://emwd.com/mailman.html. We are one  
hosting

company that is willing to answer your questions regarding the use of
mailman without asking you to pay more.


And I will add that EMWD seems to be the only Mailman hosting  
company I know of that actively participates on this list, which I  
think speaks well for them.


You mean "the only Mailman hosting company of significant size."

I'm a purposely-small service provider that includes Mailman and  
Wikipedia in my website hosting. I specialize in artists and non- 
profits. (Demographic selected for their vast financial resources,  
ripe for the tapping... NOT! :-)


You might discover there are a lot of "lurkers" on this list who are  
"hosting" in the broadest sense of the word.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Connecting Mailman to a Web Page

[Jan Steinman]

I am currently doing volunteer work for a small non-profit  
organization. Our web site host (RTPnet.org) also offers Mailman e- 
mail lists as part of the hosting package. Therefore we don't have  
server access to Mailman other than as a user with lists setup.


The organization has a "chat" Mailman list. Currently the list  
administrator is manually adding users to this list. However, we  
would like to allow the user to do this themselves by entering a  
name and email address in a box on one of the web pages. For Spam  
protection the list is setup to "confirm" all subscriptions.


Can any of you offer suggestions or point to resources of how to do  
this from a web page? There doesn't seem to be any info or pointers  
to resources on the Mailman site as to how to do this.


http://www.YourDomainHere.com/mailman/subscribe/YourEmailListName 
" method="post" style="display:inline"> cellpadding="4"> align="center">Subscribe align="left">Name: size="10" value=""> Email Address:  
  
 value="Subscribe!">  



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Connecting Mailman to a Web Page

[Jan Steinman]

From: Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Reverse engineering of example web pages is likely to be the the most
productive approach.


And if you know a bit about HTML forms, this is really quite simple,  
and is how I came up with the example I posted.


Simply look at the HTML source of any page of interest, then make the  
fields in your own form use the same "name" attribute.


I did this (for example) to help a computer-timid person maintain  
subscriptions by putting a simple TEXTAREA named "subscribees" on the  
admin page of their website. (They were intimidated by going through  
the Mailman admin interface, and all they ever wanted to do was add  
and delete subscribers.)



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draining the soil of phosphorus. More than half of one per cent a  
year. Going clean out of circulation. And then the way you throw away  
hundreds of thousands of tons of phosphorus pentoxide in your sewage!  
Pouring it into the sea. And you call that progress. Your modern  
sewage systems!" His tone was witheringly scornful. "You ought to be  
putting it back where it came from. On the land." Lord Edward shook an  
admonitory finger and frowned. "On the land, I tell you." -- Aldus  
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[Mailman-Users] Recommended way to get subscriber list with full names?

[Jan Steinman]

I've set up mailman for a client to use as an announcement mechanism  
-- one writer, many readers.


My client needs to periodically get a list of subscribers, including  
the names they entered, and to have a count.


I put 'list_members -f -p NewsletterName | sort -d -b -f' in a php  
script with secret URL for her to use, but it is failing with  
"Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/lists/newslettername/ 
config.pck'."


Should I simply change perms on that file (and any others that may  
come up once that one can be read), or is there a better way of  
accomplishing this goal?


Thanks for any advice offered!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name

[Jan Steinman]

From: "Amos Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

... the group let the domain name lapse and someone
else now owns the domain name. Thus I can no longer get to the  
Mailman list

admin website to turn the list off.

I contacted the web host and they were "unresponsive."


Don't get me started on this topic! I have been fighting to  
reinstate a lapsed domain name for one of my clients for a YEAR now!  
The original registrar (RegisterFly -- avoid like the plague!) went  
bankrupt, and they went dark for a couple months, and didn't notify my  
client their name lapsed. Then another registrar took over the name,  
again without notifying the registrant. Now RegisterFly is re-org'd  
and back in business, but they won't reinstate the name, pointing to  
the other registrar (ENOM), who points back. WHAT A MESS!


Moral of the story, don't EVER let a domain name lapse if you think  
you might want it again. Unless you've got very deep pockets.



Is there some other way to stop the list?



On the other hand, I'm amazed it is still up and running. I would  
write to the new owners, pointing out that it is in their best  
interest to stop this "parasitic" use of their resources, that they  
are paying for. If that doesn't get results, I'd start slamming the  
list with thousands of messages (yea, I know, unkind to the hapless  
subscribers) in the hope that all the bounces and admin backscatter  
will spur the new domain owner into action.



 Securely there being a gradation which is done the picture whose  
also noise is little, seeing, is feeling difference potato. -- from a  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name

[Jan Steinman]

From: Jan Steinman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'd start slamming the list with thousands of messages (yea, I know,  
unkind to the hapless subscribers) in the hope that all the bounces  
and admin backscatter will spur the new domain owner into action.


Before everyone starts jumping all over me for writing this, I should  
have bracketed that with ... Please don't do that.


Mark's suggestion that you politely tell the hosting service that the  
list will be reported to various spam cops as a spam site should get  
results. Do "whois domainname" to find out the email addresses of  
people who can help you.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] The economics of spam

[Jan Steinman]

From: Lindsay Haisley 

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:15 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Lindsay Haisley wrote:


I was intrigued by your comments on the economics of spam...


This doesn't directly answer your question (i.e., it's even further
OT), but I found it interesting.
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7719281.stm>


Actually, I've been reading the source paper about which this article
was written.  It's online as a PDF at:

http://www.icsi.berkeley.edu/pubs/networking/2008-ccs-spamalytics.pdf


I would willingly pay a hundredth of a cent (or so) per email sent if  
it would reduce spam to near-zero.


According to this study, $0.0001 per email sent would more than wipe  
out the spammers' profit, but sending legit email to every one of my  
couple-dozen Mailman lists would only cost about a dime. I wouldn't  
even bother to pass that cost on to my customers.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] The economics of spam

[Jan Steinman]

On 23 Dec 08, at 10:45, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:


Jan Steinman writes:


I would willingly pay a hundredth of a cent (or so) per email sent if
it would reduce spam to near-zero.


Only problem is, you'll have to go to the bank and fill out the
electronic funds transfer form for each $.1 you pay.

Nanopayments are not a solved problem.



I agree that the banking industry is too horribly inefficient to  
handle nanopayments. If they claim it costs them $25 to handle a  
bounced cheque, I can't imagine what they'd claim it costs to accept a  
$0.1 payment. They've grown fat and lazy. Don't look to them for  
any innovation that doesn't involve barely-legal Ponzi schemes.


Besides, individuals wouldn't be doing the payments, their providers  
would. The key is SMTP servers -- THEY would be the ones that would  
have to handle the accounting. And arguably, they might be the ones  
receiving payment anyway, since they are the ones ultimately bearing  
the cost. (I'd love to get $0.1 for every spam my SMTP server  
passes -- would much more than pay for the email all my customers send  
out.)


So I think the key to nanopayments is to cut the banks right out of  
the process. All of the accounting is already in SMTP -- you just have  
to add billing and collection. Someone write it up as RFC 5821,  
please? :-)


But this is getting way OT, and we aren't going to solve the problem  
on this list.


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one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all  
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] The economics of spam

[Jan Steinman]

From: Rich Kulawiec 

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:15:43AM -0800, Jan Steinman wrote:
I would willingly pay a hundredth of a cent (or so) per email sent  
if it

would reduce spam to near-zero.


This is a thoroughly-discredited, utterly broken idea... based on  
the ludicrous

notion that abusers... will, for absolutely no reason
whatsoever, suddenly and magically behave honestly and pay to send  
mail.


No, it is based upon the idea that a system could be implemented  
whereby it would be impossible to avoid the payment.


Or should we just admit that any crook can hack any arbitrary ATM  
machine, or that any mass-marketer can send paper mail without a stamp?


I don't believe anyone in this discussion was relying on the ethics of  
voluntary payments to reduce spam.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] The economics of spam

[Jan Steinman]

On 3 Jan 09, at 18:23, J.A. Terranson wrote:


On Sat, 3 Jan 2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:


That's not an apt analogy. The issue here is not whether a system can
be developed that would require mail delivery to be paid for. The


See: http://www.hashcash.org/


So it seems one way of guaranteeing that one would only receive email  
that had been paid for is implemented, or at least prototyped. I'm  
going to look into this hashcash a bit, just out of curiosity.


I was thinking more on the level of a new, incompatible SMTP standard,  
or possibly even at lower levels of the ISO stack -- possibly at the  
TCP/IP level. Or perhaps as part of IP6 protocol, coming to you Any  
Day Now.


Perhaps I know just enough about the underpinnings of the Internet to  
see the possibilities, rather than the impossibilities. Sorry if my  
examples were impractical, but I continue to dis-believe that it would  
be impossible to implement a system whereby spam could be made  
uneconomical.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] The economics of spam

[Jan Steinman]

From: Rich Kulawiec 

On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 02:52:21PM -0800, Jan Steinman wrote:
No, it is based upon the idea that a system could be implemented  
whereby

it would be impossible to avoid the payment.


This idiotic idea... the wishful thinking of clueless newbies... one  
of the very stupidest anti-spam ideas... debunking of this nonsense...



Is it really necessary to take this arrogant and abusive tone?

If you are trying to convince others of your position, I fear the only  
thing you're convincing me of is your close-mindedness and utter  
unwillingness to consider different ways of thinking, and I'm afraid I  
tend to write off everything such people say.


If you don't really care about convincing others of your position, why  
not just sit on your hands and let us "clueless newbies" (at least one  
of whom has been doing UNIX sysadmin and SMTP and TCP/IP programming  
for 30 years) make fools of ourselves?


You haven't really explained anything -- just called people names.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ? your solution of the problem by mailman: having two lists with the same name ..

[Jan Steinman]

From: suleiman Espear 

Can you tell me your experience with the problem of having two lists  
with the same name under different virtual domains.


Uhm, wait patiently for Mailman 3.0?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] ? your solution of the problem by mailman: having two lists with the same name ..

[Jan Steinman]

From: Barry Warsaw 

On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Jan Steinman wrote:


From: suleiman Espear 

Can you tell me your experience with the problem of having two  
lists with the same name under different virtual domains.


Uhm, wait patiently for Mailman 3.0?


Why not download and play with the alphas?!


And Bob's your uncle!

(I think the original poster may not be a native speaker of Queen's  
English -- that's an idiom that means, "It is as simple as having a  
relative with a common name." :-)


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automobile manufacturers lack the wisdom or the will or both to switch  
decisively to the production of inexpensive, compact, energy-saving  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Gathering additional iniformation at signup

[Jan Steinman]

From: Hank van Cleef

The esteemed Mark Sapiro has said:


Walter wrote:

I have just started using Mailman and wish to add fields (user  
title, organization) that must be filled out upon subscription...


In other words, this is not a simple change.


...  I've
given some thought to redoing things so that a custom page can link
out to a non-Mailman process, then return the mail address and real
name to Mailman as an approved subscription for Mailman processing...


This is not terribly difficult to do, if you have some basic HTML  
programming experience.


One could (for example) build a POST form to gather all the  
information, then in the POST target file, scrape off all the extra  
info, stuff it in a database, then POST the name and email address to  
the appropriate Mailman page.


I posted how to do the latter some time ago:

	http://your.domainname.here/mailman/subscribe/listname";  
method="post">





So just add your additional fields, then change the "action" URL to a  
PHP (or your web language of choice) page that gathers your info and  
gets it to you in your desired form, then POSTS the "fullname" and  
"email" fields to Mailman. And Bob's your uncle!


If you don't have the skills, I would be willing to contract the  
solution for you. Depending on how picky you are and how much  
customization you want, it could be thirty minutes or thirty days of  
work... :-)


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[Mailman-Users] List-to-list email?

[Jan Steinman]

Sorry if this is a FAQ -- I have done a bit of searching first.

How can I allow one list to send mail to another list? I have the  
sending list mentioned as a non-list authorized sender to the  
receiving list, but it always queues it up for admin approval.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Display Real Name in Subscriber List

[Jan Steinman]

From: Martin Schütte 

Wyn schrieb:
Has any one any ideas how to display a real name next to the email  
address

in Subscriber List


I found the required change to be small enough and use the following  
code:


--- Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py.oldMon Mar 12 23:25:34 2007
+++ Mailman/HTMLFormatter.pyMon Mar 12 23:28:38 2007
@@ -94,6 +94,9 @@
showing = Utils.ObscureEmail(person, for_text=1)
else:
showing = person
+realname = Utils.uncanonstr(self.getMemberName(person),  
lang)

+if realname:
+showing += " (%s)" % Utils.websafe(realname)
got = Link(url, showing)
if self.getDeliveryStatus(person) <>  
MemberAdaptor.ENABLED:

got = Italic('(', got, ')')


Thanks, Martin! I've had several clients ask for this, and haven't had  
the time to track it down.


Mark, any chance of this getting in the regular distribution, perhaps  
controlled by a config switch?


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