[Mailman-Users] mailman, multi-domain capable?

[Steven Jones]

If so, can someone point me at docs to do this with sendmail?

If not, can someone suggest GPL software that can do this?

Regards

Thing

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman, multi-domain capable?

[Steven Jones]

Thanks, been doing so.knowing what key words to search under always
helps.

Regards

Thing

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At 8:02 AM +1200 2005-09-15, Steven Jones wrote:

>  If so, can someone point me at docs to do this with sendmail?
>
>  If not, can someone suggest GPL software that can do this?

Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for "virtual 
domain".

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[Mailman-Users] mailman as the default apache website

[Steven Jones]

I assume this can be done?

Is instead of www.lists.ac.nz/mailman I want www.lists.ac.nz which leads
to the mailman opening page.

Have not been able to get it to work so far

Docs?

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[Mailman-Users] mailing list not obeying sender filter

[Steven Jones]

HI All,

 

I am trying to set up a mailing list for unix/linux servers to mail
into, and then out to the llinux admins.

 

I have added the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] for each server
to the privacy-option -> sender-filter -> non-member filters box and
done a submit, but the system is still asking me to moderate the
emails...while I just want them accepted and posted.

 

So this seems to be failing, what have I missed or is something broken?

 

I then tried to set,

 

"Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit
action is defined". To accept 

 

 

but it still carries on asking each post to be moderated, so I assume
something is not responding within mailman, or I have mis-set something.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks

 

Steven

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[Mailman-Users] mailman giving a 500 error when trying to open the administartor web page for a list.

[Steven Jones]

All the other lists work fine, just this one list seem to timeout, quite
possibly due to the shear volume of mail awaiting moderation?

While trying to open this page, I can open other list admin pages
quickly without issue

Where to start looking for why this particular list is faulting please?

Thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman giving a 500 error when trying to open theadministartor web page for a list.

[Steven Jones]

This is the message,

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and inform
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done
that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error
log.





Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at lists.xxx.ac.nz Port 80

I will look at these suggestions, thanks.

It is most likely there are several hundred messages awaiting
moderation.

I will start there.

Regards

Steven

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From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 10:53 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman giving a 500 error when trying to
open theadministartor web page for a list.

Steven Jones wrote:

>All the other lists work fine, just this one list seem to timeout,
quite
>possibly due to the shear volume of mail awaiting moderation?


Do you know there is a huge volume of mail waiting moderation for this
list? If there is, it seems a possible cause.

You could look at the data/heldmsg-listname-.pck files with
bin/dumpdb and delete what you don't want with bin/discard (the clean
way to do it) or you could just make a list of all the
data/heldmsg-listname-.pck files older than a couple of days and
feed that to bin/discard.

Another thing you could try is just bin/dumpdb on the
lists/listname/request.pck file to be sure it can be read.


>While trying to open this page, I can open other list admin pages
>quickly without issue


So your web server isn't choking waiting for this one Cgi to respond.


>Where to start looking for why this particular list is faulting please?


In addition to the above, there may be clues in Mailman's error log or
the web server logs.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman giving a 500 error when trying to open theadministartor web page for a list.

[Steven Jones]

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 10:53 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman giving a 500 error when trying to
open theadministartor web page for a list.

Steven Jones wrote:

>All the other lists work fine, just this one list seem to timeout,
quite
>possibly due to the shear volume of mail awaiting moderation?


Do you know there is a huge volume of mail waiting moderation for this
list? If there is, it seems a possible cause.

You could look at the data/heldmsg-listname-.pck files 



No such files under /var/mailman/data/ Doing a find under /var/mailman/
reveals none



with
bin/dumpdb and delete what you don't want with bin/discard (the clean
way to do it) or you could just make a list of all the
data/heldmsg-listname-.pck files older than a couple of days and
feed that to bin/discard.

Another thing you could try is just bin/dumpdb on the
lists/listname/request.pck file to be sure it can be read.


Looks like it can be read.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ls -l ../lists/mailerdaemon/request.pck
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman  mailman20 Feb  2 08:15
../lists/mailerdaemon/request.pck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ./dumpdb -n
../lists/mailerdaemon/request.pck
[- start pickle file -]
<- start object 1 ->
{'version': (0, 1)}
[- end pickle file -]
>While trying to open this page, I can open other list admin pages
>quickly without issue


So your web server isn't choking waiting for this one Cgi to respond.



Doesn't look like it, one CPU (of four) seems totally utilised...but
that leaves me 3.

>Where to start looking for why this particular list is faulting please?

In addition to the above, there may be clues in Mailman's error log or
the web server logs.

=

I get this from the mailman error log,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# more /var/log/mailman/error
Feb 01 13:05:33 2006 (16068) Uncaught runner exception: No terminating
boundary and no trailing empty line
Feb 01 13:05:33 2006 (16068) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 99, in _oneloop
msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 151, in dequeue
msg = email.message_from_string(msg, Message.Message)
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init
__.py", line 52, in message_from_string
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 75, in parsestr
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 64, in parse
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 240, in _parsebody
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 75, in parsestr
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 64, in parse
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 265, in _parsebody
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 64, in parse
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 240, in _parsebody
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 75, in parsestr
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 64, in parse
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 265, in _parsebody
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 64, in parse
  File
"/usr/src/build/526417-x86_64/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser
.py", line 206, in _parsebody
BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no trailing empty line

=

And I get this from the httpd log,

[Thu Feb 02 09:33:34 2006] [error] [client 130.195.20.33] Premature end
of script headers: admindb
[Thu Feb 02 09:34:12 2006] [error] [client 130.195.20.33] Premature end
of script headers: admindb
[Thu Feb 02 09:35:38 2006] [error] [client 130.195.20.33] Premature end
of script headers: admin, referer: http://lists.vuw.ac.nz/mailman/admin
[Thu Feb 02 10:28:13 2006] [error] [client 130.195.20.33] Premature end
of script headers: admin, referer: http://lists.vuw.ac.nz/mailman/admin
[Thu Feb 02 10:36:14 2006] [error] [client 130.195.20.33] Premature end
of script headers: admin, referer: http://lists.vuw.ac.nz/mailman/admin
[Thu Feb 02 10:40:36 2006] [error] [client 130.195.62.121] Directory
index forbidden by rule: /var/www/html/

==

Re: [Mailman-Users] how to delete lists ?

[Steven Jones]

The other option is to get webmin with a mailman plugin, this makes
creating a list extreamely easy, and also deleting thembit
dangerous

Regards

Thing

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Behalf Of Dave B
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to delete lists ?

use the rmlist command line option. use -a option to delete archives as 
well.

rmlist -a listname

On Feb 15, 2006, at 4:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> From: Mehmet Fatih AKBULUT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: February 15, 2006 1:49:34 PM CST
> To: Mailman-Users@python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete lists ?
>
>
> hi all,
> how can i delete a mailing list ?
> is it possible to delete from administrative interface ? [couldnt see
> a delete option ???]
> or there's something that i dont know ?
> help please
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[Mailman-Users] footers in mailman

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I am having difficulty in settings footers in mailman. The mailman-users
list here attaches a footer and Outlook displays it correctly, however
my own list mail appears as an attachment, so I assume I am missing a
setting? Searching the archives suggests it is an Exchnage problem but
if one list is OK, then the other should be as well

Regards

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[Mailman-Users] One way mailing list

[Steven Jones]

What would be the right settings for a mailing list where one or two
people post to a list of subscribers but those subscribers cannot post
themselves to the list?

Regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] One way mailing list

[Steven Jones]

n/m found it while looking for something else.

FAQ 3.11

Regards

Steven

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Subject: [Mailman-Users] One way mailing list

What would be the right settings for a mailing list where one or two
people post to a list of subscribers but those subscribers cannot post
themselves to the list?

Regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop these Non-sense mails?

[Steven Jones]

I would suggest;

1) Sendmail ~ has settings to filter spam like if the domain (DNS
lookup) does not exist, reject it. Other smtp/mta applications have
similar settings. Do a google, for these things, there is lots of info.
2) The single most effective anti-spam system I have seen is grey
listing, take a look at it.
3) Also setting mailman to not take posts from anyone but subscribers.

Regards

Steven

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jim Popovitch
Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 4:55 p.m.
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Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: *SPAM* Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop these Non-sense
mails?

Get some good spam prevention software.  Also make sure that your MTA is

properly validating who is sending you email (check for thinks like 
reverse DNS lookups, RBL listings, SPF, DKIM, etc).

-Jim P.

Kabilan L wrote:
> Hai
> 
> I am getting  lot spam-mails.The following are the examples.
> How can i stop these  things!!!
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 21:34:01 2006
> Subject: Stocks That Rock
> Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 21:58:59 2006
> Subject: S0FT C1alis, branded quality
> Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 23:41:36 2006
> Subject: Photoshop software for 80 % 0ff at Diane's softgroup
> Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon Feb 27 01:58:17 2006
> Subject: The Stock Profiler
> Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon Feb 27 03:00:06 2006
> Subject: (no subject)
> Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list 
> 
> 
> Help me Please! Thank You all
> 
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Adding a customised Footer & Header to mailman.

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

I have a request from management to find out if I can add a footer and
possibly a header to all outgoing list messages. (Might be easiest to do
this via sendmail, but anyway).

I can see mailman adds some text onto each email, can this be set to do
something more comprehensive? Like fancy company logos and such got from
another location (database, mount point or something)?

Before you all flame me with retorts about html, bloat etc don't bother,
I don't want it myself but the business wants it, so it happens or I
have to replace Mailman with Exchange, and I really, really don't want
that.

Regards

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[Mailman-Users] Automated subscription off AD, or a 3rd party application/output

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

Is there something ready made for this sort of job?

Otherwise I thought maybe a script that scp's a flat file over from the
remote app and runs it into a list

Regards

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman using Sendmail

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

Hopefully anybody running mailman over sendmail will have got the CERT
alert for a issue with Sendmail. RH have released patches and it looked
urgent...

Regards

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[Mailman-Users] Injecting a global reject into all lists

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

I want to ban a particular email address from all lists..

eg

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is there a CLI command or something to do this?

Regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Injecting a global reject into all lists

[Steven Jones]

Great thanks!

:D

Regards

Steven

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 10:14 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; Mailman - Users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Injecting a global reject into all lists

Steven Jones wrote:
>
>I want to ban a particular email address from all lists..
>
>eg
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Save the following as bin/add_banned.py

cut here ---
"""Add an email address or regexp to ban_list for all lists.

Save as bin/add_banned.py

Run via

   bin/withlist -a -r add_banned -- 

where  is the actual email address or regexp
to be added to ban_list for all lists.
"""

def add_banned(mlist, address):
if not mlist.Locked():
mlist.Lock()
mlist.ban_list.append(address)
mlist.Save()
mlist.Unlock()
cut here ---

and then run

bin/withlist -a -r add_banned -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Mailman-Users] Changing defaults

[Steven Jones]

Hi,
 
I need to chnage some defaults on creating a new list, specifically at present 
making the list's archive automatically private instead of public?
 
thanks
 
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[Mailman-Users] Possible features

[Steven Jones]

Hi,
 
A list owner requested if the subscription could be broken down into two 
sections, as normal with mailman the list owner has to confirm (etc) whether 
people can subscibe, or the option allowing anybody from a specific domain to 
automatically subscribe without any confirmation?
 
can mailman do this now? if not would it be a nice feature?
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Possible features

[Steven Jones]

Thanks

regards

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-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:55 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Possible features

Steven Jones wrote:
> 
>A list owner requested if the subscription could be broken down into
two sections, as normal with mailman the list owner has to confirm (etc)
whether people can subscibe, or the option allowing anybody from a
specific domain to automatically subscribe without any confirmation?
> 
>can mailman do this now? if not would it be a nice feature?


See
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=403066&group_i
d=103&atid=350103>
for a patch for Mailman 2.1.8.

This will be included in Mailman 2.2.

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[Mailman-Users] Error posting to a mailman list.

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I seem to be having an ongoing error with mailman, at least one list is
failing to work after working for a period

The list from the mailman end seems to work as I can subscribe people
and they get an email, but I can no longer send to the list...it
bounces.

=8><-

-bash-2.05b$ mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ww
ww
Cc:
-bash-2.05b$ mail
Mail version 8.1 6/6/93.  Type ? for help.
"/var/spool/mail/jonesst1": 1 message 1 new
>N  1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Mon Aug 28 10:25  74/3194  "Returned mail:
see transcript for details"
&
Message 1:
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Mon Aug 28 10:25:15 2006
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:25:13 +1200
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
boundary="k7RMPDQ8016090.1156717513/vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz"
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
 
This is a MIME-encapsulated message
 
--k7RMPDQ8016090.1156717513/vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz
 
The original message was received at Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:25:13 +1200
from vuwunicosmtp002.vuw.ac.nz [130.195.86.26]
 
   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post its-agp"
(reason: 1)
(expanded from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
 
   - Transcript of session follows -
post script, list not found: its-agp
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1
 
--k7RMPDQ8016090.1156717513/vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz
Content-Type: message/delivery-status
 
Reporting-MTA: dns; vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz
Received-From-MTA: DNS; vuwunicosmtp002.vuw.ac.nz
Arrival-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:25:13 +1200
=8><

The list seems to be in /etc/aliases,

===8><-
its-agp:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post its-agp"
its-agp-admin:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin its-agp"
its-agp-bounces:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces its-agp"
its-agp-confirm:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm its-agp"
its-agp-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join its-agp"
its-agp-leave:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave its-agp"
its-agp-owner:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner its-agp"
its-agp-request:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request its-agp"
its-agp-subscribe:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe its-agp"
its-agp-unsubscribe:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe its-agp"
===8><-

The list exists on the server,

==8><-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] its-apg]# ls -l
total 24
-rw-rw1 apache   mailman  6149 Aug 28 10:42 config.pck
-rw-rw1 apache   mailman  6149 Aug 28 10:42 config.pck.last
-rw-rw1 mailman  mailman   128 Aug 14 09:34 pending.pck
-rw-rw-r--1 apache   mailman20 Aug 28 10:21 request.pck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] its-apg]# pwd
/var/mailman/lists/its-apg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] its-apg]#
==8><-

Mailman's error log,

==8><---
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# tail error
Aug 28 10:25:13 2006 post(16091): post script, list not found: its-agp
Aug 28 10:27:50 2006 post(16231): post script, list not found: its-agp
Aug 28 10:30:06 2006 post(16744): post script, list not found: its-agp
==8><

So I am a bit at a losssuggests some sort of link within or to
mailman is broken.

How to fix please?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error posting to a mailman list.

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

tail'd | oc but could not see anything, deleted the 10 lines and re-did
them, then ran newaliases, now worksso, there must have been a wee
corruption in there somewhere

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-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 12:29 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Error posting to a mailman list.

Steven Jones wrote:
>
>I seem to be having an ongoing error with mailman, at least one list is
>failing to work after working for a period
>
>The list from the mailman end seems to work as I can subscribe people
>and they get an email, but I can no longer send to the list...it
>bounces.

>   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
>"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post its-agp"
>(reason: 1)
>(expanded from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
> 
>   - Transcript of session follows -
>post script, list not found: its-agp
>554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1


The alias is expanded and invoking the wrapper which is invoking the
'post' script which says the list isn't found.


>The list seems to be in /etc/aliases,
>
>===8><-
>its-agp:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post its-agp"
>its-agp-admin:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin its-agp"
>its-agp-bounces:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces its-agp"
>its-agp-confirm:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm its-agp"
>its-agp-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join its-agp"
>its-agp-leave:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave its-agp"
>its-agp-owner:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner its-agp"
>its-agp-request:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request its-agp"
>its-agp-subscribe:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe its-agp"
>its-agp-unsubscribe:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe its-agp"
>===8><-



Two questions: Do other lists that work invoke the same wrapper
(/var/mailman/mail/mailman)?, and what do you see if you look at the
above with something that shows 'transparent' characters?



>[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# tail error
>Aug 28 10:25:13 2006 post(16091): post script, list not found: its-agp
>Aug 28 10:27:50 2006 post(16231): post script, list not found: its-agp
>Aug 28 10:30:06 2006 post(16744): post script, list not found: its-agp



Here again, the 'post' script can't find the list. I'm grasping, but
either the wrapper invokes a post script from a different installation
than /var/mailman (not likely), or there is a transparent character in
the list name in the pipe in the alias. I can't off hand think what
else it might be.


>So I am a bit at a losssuggests some sort of link within or to
>mailman is broken.


What happens if you manually give the command

python /var/mailman/scripts/post its-agp < /dev/null

If working properly, there should be no error from the command and no
entry in the error log, but there will be messages in the post, smtp
and probably smtp-failure logs.

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[Mailman-Users] New version of Mailman

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Where would I find info on Mailman 2, its advantages etc over 1? Sort of
like a white paper and/or release notes. Not having much luck with
Google or the Mailman site

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New version of Mailman

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Please ignore, suffering from brain fade

regards

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[Mailman-Users] Some lists no longer archiving

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I have a list that stopped archiving in Octoberother lists are Ok...

Where would I start looking for a reason why?

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[Mailman-Users] problems with spam filter rules "disappearing" on a regular basis

[Steven Jones]

Under spam filter rule 1 I have this, 

Subject: \*\*\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*\*\*  which is set to discard.

However every so often (days or some weeks) the rule disappears and I
have to re-add it. This seems to happen to a number of lists

I have grep'd through the logs can find no obvious comments that someone
has changed the settings or reason why these disappear, it does not
happen to every list on the same dayseems more likely the lists are
loosing settings on a regular though random basis (3~14 days or so), so
a bug?

The mailman version I have is,

mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.7

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with spam filter rules "disappearing" on a regular basis

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

This is an old bug...2004is there anyway to determine if the patch
is in my version?

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-Original Message-
From: Steve Burling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 10:13 a.m.
To: mailman-users@python.org
Cc: Steven Jones
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with spam filter rules
"disappearing" on a regular basis

--On December 7, 2006 9:09:13 AM +1300 Steven Jones 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Under spam filter rule 1 I have this,
>
> Subject: \*\*\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*\*\*  which is set to discard.
>
> However every so often (days or some weeks) the rule disappears and I
> have to re-add it. This seems to happen to a number of lists

To which I reply:

I can't remember for sure when this patch made it into the mainline
code, 
but it sure sounds like what you're seeing:

<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1020102&group_
id=103&atid=300103>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam filters disappearing....

[Steven Jones]

It did it again

So I got about 4 hours from adding a spam filter before it again
disappears

Is there anyway to check the rpm for the patch for the bug? Because if
it is not there OK, I can chase RH, if it is there then the patch did
not fix the issue/bug.

:/

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[Mailman-Users] reply from RedHat regarding patch for lost spam filters - no it is not in their RPM

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

Regarding any of you out there running a RedHat Advanced Server 3 setup
with Mailman.

It seems RH's rpm lacks the patch so they have sent me instructions on
how to fix it

8><RedHat reply-

Hey,

Thank you for contacting Red Hat support.

It doesn't look like the patch has been applied, however it did apply
cleanly to my system. If you download the patch from the website you
supplied you can apply it quite easily.

The file to patch is "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py". The
command below will patch the file for you (assuming the patch is in your
home directory):

# cd /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/
# patch -p0 < ~/Privacy.py.diff

The file is a python script, so there is no need to recompile or
anything, it should just start working (you may need to restart mailman
though).

Regards,

8><-

regards


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[Mailman-Users] Moving mailman lists

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Quick Q,

We have an organisation wanting to use our mailman server, but they want
their own domain. Since mailman does not easily do multiple domains, in
the short term they will accept using our domain but later want to
extract their lists and run them under their own domain on their own
mailman server.

So, how easy would it be to "extract" all the setup info and move it to
the new server and convert it to a new list name and a new domain at a
later date?

Does this involve hacking by hand or would it be easy to automate? Is
there already such a tool?

Could the archived items be "cleansed" of the old domain and the new
domain be substituted? (this is probably a secondary requirement)...

Unless this is easy my preference is to let them wait until they get a
new server but they want something "now".

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[Mailman-Users] Messages take over an hour to pass through mailman

[Steven Jones]

I am trying to determine why emails to lists sometimes take well in
excess of an hoursometimes 4

Is there anyway to determine where the issue lies?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages take over an hour to pass throughmailman

[Steven Jones]

Thanks to both, I don't think its DNS as the mailman server is
smarthost'd in sendmail to go to a outgoing smtp serverso why it
would do dns lookups I don't know...

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-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 4:25 p.m.
To: Brad Knowles; Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages take over an hour to pass
throughmailman

Brad Knowles wrote:

>On 8/2/07, Steven Jones wrote:
>
>>  I am trying to determine why emails to lists sometimes take well in
>>  excess of an hoursometimes 4
>>
>>  Is there anyway to determine where the issue lies?
>
>Look at the logs.  Correlate the message-ids in the MTA logs 
>(sendmail, postfix, whatever) with the message-ids in the Mailman 
>logs (presumably in /usr/local/mailman/logs, or elsewhere as 
>appropriate for your installation), and then do the same for the 
>outbound traffic (going back to the MTA logs with the ids of the 
>messages as they are generated by Mailman).
>
>That's about the only way I know of.


Also see
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-July/057755.html>

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[Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

I just tried to set a list creators password...

so doing a,

[root@vuwunicmailmnt1 conf.d]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass --help
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass", line 105, in 
main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass", line 77, in main
usage(0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass", line 57, in usage
print >> fd, _(__doc__)
NameError: global name '_' is not defined

Some quick googling shows nothing.

[root@vuwunicmailmnt1 conf.d]# rpm -q mailman
mailman-2.1.12-14.el6_0.2.x86_64
[root@vuwunicmailmnt1 conf.d]# rpm -q python
python-2.6.6-20.el6.x86_64

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

Hi

Why would it be missing stuff?

How do I determine this and then go kick redhat?

regards



From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 9:50 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

Steven Jones wrote:
>
>[root@vuwunicmailmnt1 conf.d]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass --help
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass", line 105, in 
>main()
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass", line 77, in main
>usage(0)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass", line 57, in usage
>print >> fd, _(__doc__)
>NameError: global name '_' is not defined


The standard distributed GNU Mailman mmsitepass contains the following
lines immediately after the copyright notice and the documentation:

import sys
import getpass
import getopt

import paths
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman.i18n import _

Yours is apparently missing the last of these and who knows what else.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

Thanks

regards

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:13 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

On 6/7/2011 2:57 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
>
> Why would it be missing stuff?


Because somebody screwed up?


> How do I determine this and then go kick redhat?


Download mmsitepass from
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/bin/mmsitepass>
and compare (diff) it to yours. The only difference should be the first
line. Any other differences are either a RedHat patch, a packaging error
or something that happened on your site.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

Well here is the "red hat" one.

===
#! @PYTHON@
#
# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.

"""Set the site password, prompting from the terminal.

The site password can be used in most if not all places that the list
administrator's password can be used, which in turn can be used in most places
that a list users password can be used.

Usage: %(PROGRAM)s [options] [password]

Options:

-c/--listcreator
Set the list creator password instead of the site password.  The list
creator is authorized to create and remove lists, but does not have
the total power of the site administrator.

-h/--help
Print this help message and exit.

If password is not given on the command line, it will be prompted for.
"""

import sys
import getpass
import getopt

import paths
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman.i18n import _

PROGRAM = sys.argv[0]


^L
def usage(code, msg=''):
if code:
fd = sys.stderr
else:
fd = sys.stdout
print >> fd, _(__doc__)
if msg:
print >> fd, msg
sys.exit(code)


^L
def main():
try:
opts, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:], 'ch',
   ['listcreator', 'help'])
except getopt.error, msg:
usage(1, msg)

# Defaults
siteadmin = 1
pwdesc = _('site')

for opt, arg in opts:
if opt in ('-h', '--help'):
usage(0)
elif opt in ('-c', '--listcreator'):
siteadmin = 0
pwdesc = _('list creator')

if len(args) == 1:
pw1 = args[0]
else:
try:
pw1 = getpass.getpass(_('New %(pwdesc)s password: '))
pw2 = getpass.getpass(_('Again to confirm password: '))
if pw1 <> pw2:
print _('Passwords do not match; no changes made.')
sys.exit(1)
except KeyboardInterrupt:
print _('Interrupted...')
sys.exit(0)
# Set the site password by writing it to a local file.  Make sure the
# permissions don't allow other+read.
Utils.set_global_password(pw1, siteadmin)
if Utils.check_global_password(pw1, siteadmin):
print _('Password changed.')
else:
print _('Password change failed.')


^L
if __name__ == '__main__':
main()

===

It has differences but I have no idea if these matter.

regards




From: mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org 
[mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] on behalf of Steven 
Jones [steven.jo...@vuw.ac.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:59 a.m.
To: Mark Sapiro
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

Thanks

regards
________
From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:13 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

On 6/7/2011 2:57 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
>
> Why would it be missing stuff?


Because somebody screwed up?


> How do I determine this and then go kick redhat?


Download mmsitepass from
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/bin/mmsitepass>
and compare (diff) it to yours. The only difference should be the first
line. Any other differences are either a RedHat patch, a packaging error
or something that happened on your site.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

hi,

Oops sorry think i copied the wrong one!

==
#! /usr/bin/python
#
# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.

"""Set the site password, prompting from the terminal.

The site password can be used in most if not all places that the list
administrator's password can be used, which in turn can be used in most places
that a list users password can be used.

Usage: %(PROGRAM)s [options] [password]

Options:

-c/--listcreator
Set the list creator password instead of the site password.  The list
creator is authorized to create and remove lists, but does not have
the total power of the site administrator.

-h/--help
Print this help message and exit.

If password is not given on the command line, it will be prompted for.
"""

import sys
import getpass
import getopt

import paths
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman.i18n import C_

PROGRAM = sys.argv[0]
^L
def usage(code, msg=''):
if code:
fd = sys.stderr
else:
fd = sys.stdout
print >> fd, _(__doc__)
if msg:
print >> fd, msg
sys.exit(code)


^L
def main():
try:
opts, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:], 'ch',
   ['listcreator', 'help'])
except getopt.error, msg:
usage(1, msg)

# Defaults
siteadmin = 1
pwdesc = C_('site')

for opt, arg in opts:
if opt in ('-h', '--help'):
usage(0)
elif opt in ('-c', '--listcreator'):
siteadmin = 0
pwdesc = C_('list creator')

if len(args) == 1:
pw1 = args[0]
else:
try:
pw1 = getpass.getpass(C_('New %(pwdesc)s password: '))
pw2 = getpass.getpass(C_('Again to confirm password: '))
if pw1 <> pw2:
print C_('Passwords do not match; no changes made.')
sys.exit(1)
except KeyboardInterrupt:
print C_('Interrupted...')
sys.exit(0)
   # Set the site password by writing it to a local file.  Make sure the
# permissions don't allow other+read.
Utils.set_global_password(pw1, siteadmin)
if Utils.check_global_password(pw1, siteadmin):
print C_('Password changed.')
else:
print C_('Password change failed.')


^L
if __name__ == '__main__':
main()
===

regards


____
From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:35 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

On 6/7/2011 4:22 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> Well here is the "red hat" one.


Are you sure? It appears identical to the one at
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/bin/mmsitepass>.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

thankyou for your time.

regards

Steven

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 2:53 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

On 6/7/2011 6:35 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> hi,
>
> Oops sorry think i copied the wrong one!


OK. See comments inline.


[...]
> import sys
> import getpass
> import getopt
>
> import paths
> from Mailman import Utils
> from Mailman.i18n import C_


It appears that Red Hat has implemented a  Mailman.i18n.C_ function that
is not in standard GNU Mailman and are using it here instead of the
standard Mailman.i18n._ function.

I can guess that C_ is intended to be 'command _', i.e. a replacement
for the standard i18n._() to be used in command line programs, but that
is only a guess, and I have no idea why they would do this.


> PROGRAM = sys.argv[0]
> ^L
> def usage(code, msg=''):
> if code:
> fd = sys.stderr
> else:
> fd = sys.stdout
> print >> fd, _(__doc__)


However, in changing the references from _() to C_(), the line above was
overlooked. You can fix your issue by changing the single line above from

print >> fd, _(__doc__)

to

print >> fd, C_(__doc__)

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[Mailman-Users] Continued problems with Mailman on RHEL6.1

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I am trying to create a new list via the mailman web  interface, it appears to 
create a list but inbound emails to the list(s) are failing saying, user 
unknown in local recipient table.

I am assuming that the web interface should add the list controls to the 
/etc/aliases file? it looks like it isnt... Either that or I suspect its meant 
to add to a file in /etc/mailman/aliases? and re-generate a 
/etc/mailman/aliases.db? and the above path should be in main.cf? so its found?

However mailman is meant to work, it obviously isntor do I have it wrong?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Continued problems with Mailman on RHEL6.1

[Steven Jones]

8><-

This list is not the appropriate place for your RedHat packaging issues.

8><---

I can appreciate this, but Im trying to determine what is going wrong so I can 
be sure in taking it to RH they have stuffed up.

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[Mailman-Users] Injecting old lists into a new mailman aliases setup

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I have followed 
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/How+do+I+move+a+list+to+a+different+server-Mailman+installation.

and got to,

withlist -l -r fix_url listname

but I find that afetr running that the lists info has not been put into in 
/etc/mailman/aliases  file (Redhat default location) so obviously I cant send 
to the lists

Also is there a way to tell mailman to look into ~lists and do them all at once?

regards

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[Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract the lists owners?

[Steven Jones]

I need to email each list owner to let them know the server will be off line 
while I upgrade it, so I need their email addresses.

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[Mailman-Users] Resetting bounce scores globally

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Is there a way to reset all ppls bounces in all lists?  

Ive tried withlist -a -r reset_bounce

but no joy

regards

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[Mailman-Users] mailman talking on ipv6 loopback

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I just upgrade Mailman but for some reason it seems to be talking to postfix on 
::1 and postfix does a relay denyFor mailman is this normal?  Or do I have 
a misconfiguration?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Resetting bounce scores globally

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Is there a way to scan my 440 lists and look for lists with no subscribers?  it 
seems my localhost ipv6 problem has caused at least one list to be emptied of 
all subscribers by the bounce processing.so I have had to re-populate it.

After that is there a way to extract all the subscribers off the old lists 
server and inject them back into the new lists on the new lists server?

regards

Steven Jones

Technical Specialist - Linux RHCE

Victoria University, Wellington, NZ

0064 4 463 6272


From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 4:55 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Resetting bounce scores globally

Steven Jones wrote:
>
>Is there a way to reset all ppls bounces in all lists?
>
>Ive tried withlist -a -r reset_bounce
>
>but no joy


Did you first download and install per its docstring
<http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/reset_bounce.py> (mirrored at
<http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~msapiro/scripts/reset_bounce.py>)?

If not, do so. If so, what specifically was the result from

  withlist -a -r reset_bounce

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for lists with no members. Repopulsting lists. was: Resetting bounce scores globally

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Because its related to the same event

"config.pck", because I didnt know that..

I think sometimes developers/coders dont realise lesser mortals cant code to 
their standards, and in my case virtually not at all...

regards

Steven Jones



From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 12:40 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for lists with no members. Repopulsting 
lists. was: Resetting bounce scores globally

Steven Jones wrote:
>
>Is there a way to scan my 440 lists and look for lists with no subscribers?  
>it seems my localhost ipv6 problem has caused at least one list to be emptied 
>of all subscribers by the bounce processing.so I have had to re-populate 
>it.


I don't know why this is a reply to my reply in the "Resetting bounce
scores globally" thread, and did you resolve that?

Anyway, there are various ways you could accomplish this. You could
create a shell script along the lines of

#!/bin/sh
for list in `bin/list_lists --bare`
do if ! (bin/list_members $list | grep @ > /dev/null); then
  echo $list: no members
  fi
done

Or you could create a withlist script like

def find_empty(mlist):
if len(mlist.getMembers()) == 0:
print "%s has no members" % mlist.real_name

save it as bin/find_empty.py and run

bin/withlist -a -r find_empty


>After that is there a way to extract all the subscribers off the old lists 
>server and inject them back into the new lists on the new lists server?


Why not just copy the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck from the old server to
the new. Or if for some reason you don't want to do that, you could
copy it to lists/dummy_list/config.pck on the new server and then run

  bin/list_members dummy_list

with the desired list_members options.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for lists with no members. Repopulstinglists. was: Resetting bounce scores globally

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

"But you still haven't said if you still have a problem with
reset_bounce or what the resolution was. "

I had  read this from googling but I didnt understand what it actually meant 
and the stuff I found was 2007 etc and seemed to conflict with newerhadnt 
sussed it out.

Ive had several level1s this morning so ive not progressed this as yet, however 
only one list has complained and another one lost its members so i had to fix 
that first the rest seem OKbut I need to do a health check somehow...

Moving lists, yes I followed how to move a list, took your docs and made it 
"almost me proof" but didnt take on / notice the components and what they do

Coding for me is like looking at say french, I dont understand a word of 
it...its a blind spot of minein some ways that's good as I'd be asked to 
code all day if I couldand I hate doing it.

regards

Steven Jones




From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 1:18 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for lists with no members. 
Repopulstinglists. was: Resetting bounce scores globally

Steven Jones wrote:
>
>Because its related to the same event


But you still haven't said if you still have a problem with
reset_bounce or what the resolution was.


>"config.pck", because I didnt know that..


Sorry. The process of moving lists between servers has been discussed
many times on this list and in the FAQ. I assumed you might have seen
some of that.


>I think sometimes developers/coders dont realise lesser mortals cant code to 
>their standards, and in my case virtually not at all...


I'm sure that sometimes that's true of me, but if you look at my posts
in the archives of this list, I think you'll find that I usually bend
over backwords to explain things patiently, clearly and understandably.

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[Mailman-Users] Mail delays

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I am trying to figure out a delay to a posting with moderation set.

It looks like postfix received the list post at 11am, 17th September it was 
transferred into mailman then and there.  However the list has moderation on so 
the moderators were emailed but at 8am the next day 18th...this seems 
strange21 hour delay.

Any ideas what to look at?

thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delays

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I have checked in /var/log/s/mailman/* and the post and smtp logs say they got 
the post at 8:00 while the postfix log says it was sent to mailman at 11am the 
day before?

confused..

regards

Steven Jones

Technical Specialist - Linux RHCE

Victoria University, Wellington, NZ

0064 4 463 6272


From: Mailman-Users [mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] 
on behalf of Steven Jones [steven.jo...@vuw.ac.nz]
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To: Mailman-Users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail delays

Hi,

I am trying to figure out a delay to a posting with moderation set.

It looks like postfix received the list post at 11am, 17th September it was 
transferred into mailman then and there.  However the list has moderation on so 
the moderators were emailed but at 8am the next day 18th...this seems 
strange21 hour delay.

Any ideas what to look at?

thanks

regards

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[Mailman-Users] recording mailman list changes.

[Steven Jones]

Hi

Does mailman record who and when settings were changed for a list?

regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] I did not submit a request to unsubscribe from mailman-users

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

We are certainly seeing a lot of subscription attempts in the last 2weeks, as 
if mailman lists are being actively targeted.  Some lists have over 400 
subscription attempts outstanding.

:/

regards

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Technical Specialist - Linux RHCE

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From: Mailman-Users [mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] 
on behalf of Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012 8:16 a.m.
To: Kalbfleisch, Gary; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I did not submit a request to unsubscribe from 
mailman-users

Kalbfleisch, Gary wrote:
>
>I received three unsubscribe confirmations over night.  I did not initiate
>these. The source IP's resolve to India and Sri Lanka.  Is it just me or is
> this happening to other subscribers?


I get them all the time. More often they originate from email (probably
spam sent to mailman-users-unsubscribe or mailman-users-leave and
spoofing me in the From:). Only web initiated unsubscribes have a
source IP in the confirmation.

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[Mailman-Users] Populating mailman lists out of AD or LDAP.

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I want to populate a specific mailman list with users from AD (if possible) or 
IPA/LDAP that have a specific attribute in AD.

Is this possible? I can see lots of old comments dated 2004 from googling but 
nothing newer so far.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Populating mailman lists out of AD or LDAP.

[Steven Jones]

Thanks, I see there is a comment #10 on possible problems with 3000 users?, we 
want to do 2+.

Is that possible?

regards

Steven 

From: Mailman-Users  
on behalf of Mark Sapiro 
Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014 9:55 a.m.
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Populating mailman lists out of AD or LDAP.

On 02/02/2014 12:18 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to populate a specific mailman list with users from AD (if possible) 
> or IPA/LDAP that have a specific attribute in AD.
>
> Is this possible? I can see lots of old comments dated 2004 from googling but 
> nothing newer so far.


Assuming you mean you want Mailman to maintain the list membership
dynamically from the database and not simply do periodic extraction of a
user list from the database to use with a tool like sync_members, there
is an LDAP member adaptor for Mailman at
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558106>. Read the entire
comment thread to see all versions.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman init script doesn't work and webpage doesn't show list of lists

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Have a look at the paths. I think RH installs things non-mailman style so maybe 
some files are in the wrong place for the rpm.
I upgraded from mailman on RHEL3 to RHEL 6 and had these sort of issues.

regards

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From: Mailman-Users  
on behalf of Jimmy 
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2014 9:10 a.m.
To: Mailman-Users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman init script doesn't work and webpage   doesn't 
show list of lists

I am upgrading a list server from an old Fedora system to a RHEL 6.5 server
and migration of mailman isn't going well. Mailman (on both systems) is
installed with the RH provided RPM (mailman-2.1.12-18.el6.x86_64)

The first issue on the new server is that the mailman init script does not
function, fails with this message "Starting mailman: Site list is missing:
mailman". I can manually run `bin/mailmanctl start` and the service seems
to start. Once the service is started I can get to the admin page and list
overview page but the page indicates that there are no publicly advertised
lists, even though all of the lists indicate "advertised = 1" in the dumpdb.


Here are some steps I've taken:

moved data/archive and mailman configs and Apache configs from old server
to new
updated URL's ./withlist -l -r fix_url list_name --urlhost=host2.domain.com
Checked all settings in Default.py and mm_cfg.py
updated /etc/aliases
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists (displays the lists I migrated from the old
server)
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/list_name/config.pck
>~/list_name
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list -o list_name-conf (compared to old server
and everything looks in order)

If I create a newlist from the command line it is able to create the list
and sends me an email, but I am unable to create lists from the web
interface.

Any ideas?
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Yesterday after 5 years of operation ou mailman application has "died" it seems 
to be barely running taking 3 or more hours to process lists...previous load 
was <0.2 now its around 1 with a python process absorbing 1 CPU constantly.

We are running on RHEL3-32bit and the errors are,



Error log for Mailman (vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz:/var/log/mailman/error)

says:



RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded



Feb 17 07:48:26 2010 (13368) SHUNTING: 
1266281245.229378+bd3f1d42e27ad38cf532b809460a0b0a8aef00e7



The last number is a message ID in Mailman queue

/var/mailman/qfiles/shunt/1266281245.229378+bd3f1d42e27ad38cf532b809460a0b0a8aef00e7.pck


We have a similar case via googling suggesting a DNS issue, however we have 
spent some hours checking DNS as well as the server and cant find any obvious 
fault.



http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-November/064166.html

Any ideas please?

Steven

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Is there a way forward? I have to hand this on as I have to fix something 
else...will come back to it in about 4 hours from now

regards

Steven

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 3:56 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Steven Jones wrote:
>
>Yesterday after 5 years of operation ou mailman application has "died" it 
>seems to be barely running taking 3 or more hours to process lists...previous 
>load was <0.2 now its around 1 with a python process absorbing 1 CPU 
>constantly.


Which python process - i.e.which qrunner.


how do I identify such a "qrunner?"


Also look in Mailmans qfiles/* directories to see which one has a large
number of messages.

==
its empty,

[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 mailman]# cd /var/spool/mailman/
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 mailman]# ls -al
total 12
drwxr-xr-x3 root root 4096 Sep  6  2005 .
drwxr-xr-x   16 root root 4096 Feb 17 15:12 ..
drwxrwsr-x2 root mailman  4096 Mar 22  2007 qfiles
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 mailman]# cd qfiles/
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 qfiles]# ls -al
total 8
drwxrwsr-x2 root mailman  4096 Mar 22  2007 .
drwxr-xr-x3 root root 4096 Sep  6  2005 ..
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 qfiles]# ls -al
total 8
drwxrwsr-x2 root mailman  4096 Mar 22  2007 .
drwxr-xr-x3 root root 4096 Sep  6  2005 ..
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 qfiles]#

==

>We are running on RHEL3-32bit and the errors are,
>
>
>
>Error log for Mailman (vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz:/var/log/mailman/error)
>
>says:
>
>
>
>RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
>
>
>
>Feb 17 07:48:26 2010 (13368) SHUNTING: 
>1266281245.229378+bd3f1d42e27ad38cf532b809460a0b0a8aef00e7
>
>
>
>The last number is a message ID in Mailman queue
>
>/var/mailman/qfiles/shunt/1266281245.229378+bd3f1d42e27ad38cf532b809460a0b0a8aef00e7.pck
>


How many of these are there?


seems a lot.

The error log is significantly bigger because of them,

[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 mailman]# pwd
/var/log/mailman
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 mailman]# ls -l
total 81400
8><-
-rw-rw-r--1 root mailman  79321195 Feb 18 08:05 error
-rw-rw-r--1 root mailman  6997 Feb 13 16:42 error.1
-rw-rw-r--1 root mailman 11798 Feb  7 04:02 error.2
-rw-rw-r--1 root mailman  7142 Jan 31 03:19 error.3
-rw-rw-r--1 root mailman  3313 Jan 24 01:54 error.4
8><-



This may be unrelated. Is there a
traceback with the above error? What is it?

===
this?
===
File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 283, in _deepcopy_inst
state = deepcopy(state, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 246, in _deepcopy_dict
y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 219, in _deepcopy_list
y.append(deepcopy(a, memo))
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 283, in _deepcopy_inst
state = deepcopy(state, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 246, in _deepcopy_dict
y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 219, in _deepcopy_list
y.append(deepcopy(a, memo))
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 283, in _deepcopy_inst
state = deepcopy(state, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 246, in _deepcopy_dict
y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 219, in _deepcopy_list
y.append(deepcopy(a, memo))
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 283, in _deepcop

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

8><---


Yes, that. Something is really hosed. 

===
LOL..
===


Have you tried just restarting
Mailman?

=
Yes and a reboot.no difference...
=

What's at the start of that traceback leading up to the first call to
deepcopy?

=
Feb 16 15:05:45 2010 (2632) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 91, in process
send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in send_digests
send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 297, in 
send_i18n_digests
mimedigest.attach(MIMEMessage(copy.deepcopy(msg)))
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 283, in _deepcopy_inst
state = deepcopy(state, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py", line 246, in _deepcopy_dict
y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo)
=

This could also be a some kind of list object corruption leading to a
circular reference. Hard to say without more information.

huh?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 3:56 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Steven Jones wrote:
>
>Yesterday after 5 years of operation ou mailman application has "died" it 
>seems to be barely running taking 3 or more hours to process lists...previous 
>load was <0.2 now its around 1 with a python process absorbing 1 CPU 
>constantly.


Which python process - i.e.which qrunner.

Also look in Mailmans qfiles/* directories to see which one has a large
number of messages.

==
in.
==

We moved the queues and restarted its now running finewhich isnt a real 
fix of course.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Looking at shunt we have 127 itemsbut its not all the same list we have at 
least 5 so far

When I do a, find /var/mailman/lists/ -name digest.mbox |wc -l

I have 49 lists

So its not obvious which list it is so far...

I have looked inside one digest.mbox and there is nothing but benign content so 
fara

Its possible that the content is / was a DOS attack?  or maybe just chance

regards

Steven



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From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 2:16 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Steven Jones wrote:
>
>Which python process - i.e.which qrunner.
>
>Also look in Mailmans qfiles/* directories to see which one has a large
>number of messages.
>
>==
>in.
>==
>
>We moved the queues and restarted its now running finewhich isnt a real 
>fix of course.


I think our messages crossed in transit, but you have only temporarily
circumvented the problem. It will recur with additional posts to the
problem list until you fix or remove that list's digest.mbox.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

While looking at the shunt queue I see a all pcks at a certain time (Feb 17 
20:21) I have looked at so far have this as a content, instead of normal 
content.


[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 shunt]# /var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles 
1197321907.8858631+471a68770096868aa8540e5bf8bc643da86ac63d.pck|moreTraceback 
(most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles", line 74, in ?
> 
1197321907.8858631+471a68770096868aa8540e5bf8bc643da86ac63d.pck
main()
  File "/var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles", line 67, in main
sys.stdout.write(msg.as_string())
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py",
 line 130, in as_string
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 102, in flatten
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 130, in _write
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 230, in _handle_multipart
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 102, in flatten
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 130, in _write
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 297, in _handle_message
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 102, in flatten
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 130, in _write
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 230, in _handle_multipart
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 102, in flatten
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 130, in _write
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 277, in _handle_message_delivery_status
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 102, in flatten
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 130, in _write
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
 line 274, in _handle_message_delivery_status
TypeError: iteration over non-sequence


regards

Steven

-Original Message-
From: mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org 
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] On Behalf Of 
Steven Jones
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 2:26 p.m.
To: Mark Sapiro; mailman-users@python.org
Cc: Andrey Sabitov
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Hi,

Looking at shunt we have 127 itemsbut its not all the same list we have at 
least 5 so far

When I do a, find /var/mailman/lists/ -name digest.mbox |wc -l

I have 49 lists

So its not obvious which list it is so far...

I have looked inside one digest.mbox and there is nothing but benign content so 
fara

Its possible that the content is / was a DOS attack?  or maybe just chance

regards

Steven



-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 2:16 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Steven Jones wrote:
>
>Which python process - i.e.which qrunner.
>
>Also look in Mailmans qfiles/* directories to see which one has a large
>number of messages.
>
>==
>in.
>==
>
>We moved the queues and restarted its now running finewhich isnt a real 
>fix of course.


I think our messages crossed in transit, but you have only temporarily
circumvented the problem. It will recur with additional posts to the
problem list until you fix or remove that list's digest.mbox.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

As below.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 3:03 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Cc: Andrey Sabitov
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Steven Jones wrote:

>While looking at the shunt queue I see a all pcks at a certain time (Feb 17 
>20:21) I have looked at so far have this as a content, instead of normal 
>content.
>
>
>[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 shunt]# /var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles 
>1197321907.8858631+471a68770096868aa8540e5bf8bc643da86ac63d.pck|moreTraceback 
>(most recent call last):
>  File "/var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles", line 74, in ?
>> 
>1197321907.8858631+471a68770096868aa8540e5bf8bc643da86ac63d.pck
>main()
>  File "/var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles", line 67, in main
>sys.stdout.write(msg.as_string())
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py",
>  line 130, in as_string
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 102, in flatten
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 130, in _write
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 156, in _dispatch
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 230, in _handle_multipart
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 102, in flatten
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 130, in _write
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 156, in _dispatch
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 297, in _handle_message
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 102, in flatten
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 130, in _write
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 156, in _dispatch
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 230, in _handle_multipart
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 102, in flatten
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 130, in _write
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 156, in _dispatch
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 277, in _handle_message_delivery_status
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 102, in flatten
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 130, in _write
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 156, in _dispatch
>  File 
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py",
>  line 274, in _handle_message_delivery_status
>TypeError: iteration over non-sequence


That's not the content of the shunt queue entry, it is the traceback
from the exception that show_qfiles throws when it attempts to display
the message because the message is malformed.

What happens with bin/dumpdb instead of bin/show_qfiles?

=
I get the similar output but with earlier content,
=

Arrival-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:59:07 +1300

Final-Recipient: RFC822; postmas...@vuwunicohrt0001.vuw.ac.nz
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; its-u...@vuw.ac.nz
Action: failed
Status: 4.4.7
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:59:08 +1300

--o051uOHi025221.1262656748/vuwunicohrt0001.vuw.ac.nz
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: 
Received: from localhost (localhost)
by vuwunicohrt0001.vuw.ac.nz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) id
nBV0uOGO015468; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:59:07 +1300
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:59:07 +1300
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem 
Message-Id: <200912310059.nbv0uogo015...@vuwunicohrt0001.vuw.ac.nz>
To: postmaster
MIME-Version: 1.0
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[Mailman-Users] Sendmail - Aliases

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Is there any reason why there is no gui in Mailman to add the lines needed to 
aliases fro sendmail?

regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail - Aliases

[Steven Jones]

uh no, Its done per list when you create the list, so that's lots of command 
line additions, if I had a gui to do it I could allocate the work to the 
helpdesk and not a linux admin.

regards

Steven

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[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail - Aliases

* Steven Jones :
> Hi,
> 
> Is there any reason why there is no gui in Mailman to add the lines needed to 
> aliases fro sendmail?

That's something done ONCE at install time...

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[Mailman-Users] Setting mailman to "archive browse mode" only

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

My management want to move our listing function to Exchange 2k10however we 
have a need to maintain the archives on the existing mailman server so ppl can 
search them.

Is it possible to disable all of mailman's functions except search/browsing of 
the archive?

regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting mailman to "archive browse mode" only

[Steven Jones]

Hi,



"They" dont want to create new mailman lists "anymore" as they have to be 
created by a Linux systems administrator (ie be root to edit /etc/aliases)...so 
15mins a week is too much work...so they want to do it with "user admins" that 
are incapable of anything but AD/gui type work...and I wouldn't give them the 
root password


8><

Both of those assume that you(r managers) don't want to send the
Exchange list mails to the archive, too. (perhaps, say, for
continuity reasons).

8><

...I assume not as Mailman has to go as they dont want to keep creating new 
lists.  Users might want it, in fact I bet they will...that would be funny.

6 years ago they complained about the cost, the un-reliability and 
in-flexibility of Communigate and linux admins had to edit files by hand to 
change things for them...so I installed Mailman. Mailman has served them almost 
faultlessly for free in that 6 years (apart from probably my f*ups) so the TCO 
has been incredibly low

I will say that I have also has superb support from this list and Mark in 
particular over that time period, I will thank you all for that...that has 
been priceless and shows up many commercial vendors...

8><---

I've not played with Exchange 2010 lists. Are they any good? RFC
compliant? Handling bounces?

8><--

Oh that's a nightmare I wont go intosomeone wants it changed so it will I 
suspect get changedeven if it doesn't work very well and costs more time, 
but hey I don't do MS stuff and especially not Exchange so it wont be my little 
nightmareI have advised them time and time again what they have is probably 
the best they can get especially considering its cost.



regards and again, thanks


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[Mailman-Users] Exporting or upgrading mailman lists

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

1) Is there any script or method that can export 1 or all lists to a "common" 
format? 

2) What's involved in migrating to a new version of Mailman?


regards

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Tele 64 4 463 6272
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Kelburn
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Exporting or upgrading mailman lists

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

"common format"

I had no idea what they meant.neither did they.

I was just told to get an answer

;?

I think they mean something a Microsoft (based) product can read and import.

regards

Steven Jones Technical Specialist Linux/Vmware
Tele 64 4 463 6272
Victoria University
Kelburn
New Zealand

From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:odhia...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 9:14 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Exporting or upgrading mailman lists


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Steven Jones 
mailto:steven.jo...@vuw.ac.nz>> wrote:
Hi,

1) Is there any script or method that can export 1 or all lists to a "common" 
format?

What do you mean by a common format?


2) What's involved in migrating to a new version of Mailman?

Grab the source and extract it, i.e. mailman-2.1.14, then read the file named 
UPGRADING.



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[Mailman-Users] Upgrading and converting mailman to postfix

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I have to upgrade a old mailman setup on RHEl3 and sendmail to RHEL6 which 
comes with postfix by default...

So,  

a) Docs or how easy is it to straight migrate from RHEL3 (2.1.5) to RHEL6  
(2.1.12) ?

b) How easy is it to convert a sendmail setup with /etc/aliases to postfix?  
any automated scripts?

regards

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[Mailman-Users] migrating lists off an old RHEl3 server to RHEL6.1

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Can I just move the aliases file and the various lists directories and archive 
off the old server and more them to the correct place on the new server restart 
mailman and it will work?

Or is there other work to do

regards

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[Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I ran out of disk space so I added 400gb to /var/lib/mailman2 and moved the 
archives with,

cd /var/lib/mailman ; tar cf - . |(cd  /var/lib/mailman2 tar xf -)

So permissions should have stayed OKthen I did,

unmount ~mailman2 and mounted it as ~mailman, permissions look right but I seem 
to be getting this error now,


"Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman"

doh?

any ideas?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

So the file is there.how to I get it to "find it" again?

Also I suspect its the same with all the lists.

regards

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 2:34 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/1/11 10:23 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
>
> "Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman"


mailmanctl can't find the file /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

Fixed the first one.tried restarting, same message.did the second with 
-f which fixed ownerships (I have a case into Red Hat on this...
but it still wont start.

PREFIX  = /usr/lib/mailman

VAR_PREFIX = /var/lib/mailman

I think these are correct

regards



From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 8:54 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/2011 12:55 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> So the file is there.how to I get it to "find it" again?
>
> Also I suspect its the same with all the lists.

Probably it is all lists.

The first thing mailmanctl does is set its user and group to those of
Mailman. So there are two possibilities. Either 'mailman' doesn't have
sufficient access to even 'see' /var/lib/mailman/lists/*/config.pck.

The permissions and ownership on /var/lib/mailman should be

drwxrwsr-x   mailman mailman

check that, and if that doesn't solve your issue, run Mailman's
bin/check_perms -f as root.

If that still doesn't solve it, look at Mailman/Defaults.py for the
definition of PREFIX and VAR_PREFIX to ensure they are what you think
they are.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

To add mailman will not start, still.

regards

From: mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org 
[mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] on behalf of Steven 
Jones [steven.jo...@vuw.ac.nz]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 10:58 a.m.
To: Mark Sapiro
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

Fixed the first one.tried restarting, same message.did the second with 
-f which fixed ownerships (I have a case into Red Hat on this...
but it still wont start.

PREFIX  = /usr/lib/mailman

VAR_PREFIX = /var/lib/mailman

I think these are correct

regards



From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 8:54 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/2011 12:55 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> So the file is there.how to I get it to "find it" again?
>
> Also I suspect its the same with all the lists.

Probably it is all lists.

The first thing mailmanctl does is set its user and group to those of
Mailman. So there are two possibilities. Either 'mailman' doesn't have
sufficient access to even 'see' /var/lib/mailman/lists/*/config.pck.

The permissions and ownership on /var/lib/mailman should be

drwxrwsr-x   mailman mailman

check that, and if that doesn't solve your issue, run Mailman's
bin/check_perms -f as root.

If that still doesn't solve it, look at Mailman/Defaults.py for the
definition of PREFIX and VAR_PREFIX to ensure they are what you think
they are.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman   3902 Jun  2 12:00  
/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 11:12 a.m.
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On 6/2/2011 3:58 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> Fixed the first one.tried restarting, same message.did the second 
> with -f which fixed ownerships (I have a case into Red Hat on this...
> but it still wont start.
>
> PREFIX  = /usr/lib/mailman
>
> VAR_PREFIX = /var/lib/mailman
>
> I think these are correct


What does

sudo -u mailman ls -l /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

do?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Service mailman restart

Here is the startup script,

=
#!/bin/sh
#
# mailmanThis shell script starts and stops GNU Mailman.
#
# Copyright (C) 2001-2003 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.
#
# Copy this file to /etc/init.d/ (or /etc/rc.d/init.d/ depending on
# your system) and activate it as such:
#
# On Debian, type "update-rc.d mailman defaults"
# On RedHat, and derivatives, install with "chkconfig --add mailman"
#
# chkconfig: - 98 12
# description: Mailman is the GNU Mailing List Manager, a program that \
#  manages electronic mail discussion groups.  For more \
#  on GNU Mailman see http://www.list.org
# processname: mailmanctl
# config: /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
# pidfile: /var/run/mailman/master-qrunner.pid
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides: mailman
# Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $named
# Should-Start: httpd
# Required-Stop: $local_fs $remote_fs $network
# Default-Stop: 0 1 3 4 5 6
# Short-Description: start and stop Mailman
# Description: Mailman is the GNU mailing list manager.
### END INIT INFO

MAILMANHOME=/usr/lib/mailman
MAILMANCTL=$MAILMANHOME/bin/mailmanctl

# We used to install the mailman cron jobs when the mailman rpm was
# installed, irrespective of whether mailman was actually being
# run. Although the cron jobs didn't create any problems if someone
# wasn't running mailman some users complained about the cron log file
# filling up, resource usage, and power consumption since systems
# wouldn't really idle. It really only makes sense to run the mailman
# cron jobs if the mailman service is turned on and not just merely
# having the rpm installed. This init.d script is an obvious place to
# install or remove the cron jobs based on the service being enabled
# or not.

SRC_CRON_SCRIPT=$MAILMANHOME/cron/crontab.in
DST_CRON_SCRIPT=/etc/cron.d/mailman

function InstallCron()
{
install -m644 -o root -g root $SRC_CRON_SCRIPT $DST_CRON_SCRIPT
}

function RemoveCron()
{
cat > $DST_CRON_SCRIPT < -rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman   3902 Jun  2 12:00  
> /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

So it looks like the 'mailman' user can access the config.pck.

So, how are you starting Mailman. Are you running

 /var/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

Or something like

 service mailman start

If the latter, what does the /etc/init.d/mailman script do?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

Yes, the lists themselves are under /var.the mailman binaries are under /usr

regards

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 1:08 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/2011 6:03 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
>
> Here is the startup script,
[...]
>
> MAILMANHOME=/usr/lib/mailman
> MAILMANCTL=$MAILMANHOME/bin/mailmanctl


ASo your script is starting /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl rather than
/var/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl.

Presumably the insatllation in /usr/lib/mailman has no lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

true and false things, 0's 1's etc

send_welcome_msg : True,

etc

so yes its looks like attributes.

regards



From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 2:54 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/11 6:44 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> Yes, the lists themselves are under /var.the mailman binaries are under 
> /usr


OK. What does

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

return. Does it dump a bunch of data that looks like the attributes of a
list or something else?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

I have a nasty feeling about selinux

will check

regards

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 2:54 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/11 6:44 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> Yes, the lists themselves are under /var.the mailman binaries are under 
> /usr


OK. What does

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

return. Does it dump a bunch of data that looks like the attributes of a
list or something else?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

Looks like it was selinuxi set it to permissive, rebooted and mailman 
appears to be up...

:/

regards

From: mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org 
[mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] on behalf of Steven 
Jones [steven.jo...@vuw.ac.nz]
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To: Mark Sapiro
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

I have a nasty feeling about selinux

will check

regards

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 2:54 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/11 6:44 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> Yes, the lists themselves are under /var.the mailman binaries are under 
> /usr


OK. What does

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

return. Does it dump a bunch of data that looks like the attributes of a
list or something else?

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[Mailman-Users] mailman features

[Steven Jones]

While looking to replace Communigate Pro with Mailman a user asked if these are 
possible,

1) If a user is a user on multiple lists, can the user receive 1 email with all 
the messages in, as opposed to (say) 4I assume this means in digest 
modecan mailman do this?

2) For send out lists, how would we set a list up such that only the owner(s) 
can subscribe a user? ie a user cannot subscribe via the web or email, it is an 
outgoing list only. As far as I can see it would need to be hidden and all msgs 
would go to a moderator, global bit?

3) Automation of lists to /etc/aliases for sendmail on Linux (Sendmail), when 
generating a new list but this does not happen.

4) Hooking into a mysql (or similar) database either pulling data or taking it 
if pushed to mailman. ie mailman becomes part of a "integrated solution". I 
would think this is possible, especially as Mailman is Python based but I am 
not a programmer, has anybody done something like this?

5) Scaling, 100,000 users? very peaky loads expected.

6) Has anybody sized a server to handle 100,000 list member mail shots? I have 
a grunty Dell that I can add another 2 CPUs to plus more Ram so its a question 
of do I need them

PS no I am not a spammer.just have lots of students...

;]

regards

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[Mailman-Users] wee problem with web site showing "wrong" email address for the owner.

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

I have an issue with mailman's web interface when I go to mail a list owner, it 
shows "ssk at vuw.ac." as the owner contact (which is correct, except for 
the @) but when you click URL on this to send an email it appears as [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] in the email client applications.

This will not work as [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not exist in the vuw.ac. 
domain. What I need the output to be is either [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is the 
lists server or [EMAIL PROTECTED] which would go directly

How can I set this please?

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RE: [Mailman-Users] integrated web server?

[Steven Jones]

The question would be, why would you wish to do this? 

Though in effect this is what I do, except I have 3 sendmail instances on three 
servers.

I have an incoming smtp server, an outgoing smtp server and a list server, all 
run sendmail (actually the first 2 servers are clustered but lets not go there).

The incoming smtp server re-routes email of the form [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the 
lists server, otherwise the mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] gets sent to the exchange 
server.

Outgoing lists are directed to the outgoing smtp server using the smarthost 
feature in sendmail and the mailertable feature to direct any internal email 
from a list to the exchnage server to save passing through the in/out smtp 
servers.

The lists server runs apache and is exposed to the Internet allowing web 
subscription.

regards

Steven
aka thing 

-Original Message-
From: Scott Kopel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 10:48 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrated web server?


Do the web based subscribe and un-subscribe and searchable archive features 
have to sit on the same server as the mail server (sendmail)?
In other words I don't have Apache installed on my email server. How hard 
is it to separate the two and use Mailman?

Scott Kopel
English Department - FSU
850 644 6177 

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[Mailman-Users] How to 'import' Communigate lists to mailman subscriber lists

[Steven Jones]

Has anyone done this?

If so how was it done? and did you have any issues?

regards

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[Mailman-Users] mailman on RHAS3

[Steven Jones]

Setting up mailman on RHAS3-64 update 2

RH have released mailman as a supported package, so I decided to install 
mailman this way this rather than the mailman.noarch.rpm as it will get updated 
automatically when I run up2date.

OK, so has anybody successfully installed RH's mailman like this?

I also want to use the sourceforg webmin module to create lists and where 
previously this worked fine on a test box with mailman's rpm, with RH's rpm and 
the mailman webmin module no list is created...ie trying to create "its.unix" 
returns nothing and /etc/aliases is not updated.

so does anybody have ideas where,

1) Errors might be logged?
2) What I have missed in setting it up?
3) The steps to go through to get rh's mailman running with webmin? I need to 
use webmin as in the past it automatically creates entries in /etc/aliases and 
I need this feature to allow the helpdesk to create lists without a sys admin 
interveening

I am looking in the direction of permissions and/or incorrect userat present

I have created the mailman list using newlist successfully (as far as I can 
tell) and mailman is running as "service mailman status" shows a PID and ps aux 
|grep mailman shows 9 processes, 8 of which are runners.

any ideas please?

regards

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RE: [Mailman-Users] mailman on RHAS3

[Steven Jones]

The logical point now might well be to remove RH's rpm and install mailman's 
rpm and see if it works.

regards

Steven

-Original Message-
From: John Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 21 January 2005 4:08 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users Mailman
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman on RHAS3


On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 22:09, Steven Jones wrote:
> OK, so has anybody successfully installed RH's mailman like this?

yes :-)

> I also want to use the sourceforg webmin module to create lists

I'm sorry, but I'm not at all familar with webmin, however I can answer
questions concerning RH mailman.

> so does anybody have ideas where,
> 
> 1) Errors might be logged?

mailman errors are logged to /var/log/mailman/error
I don't know where webmin errors are logged, but you should look at
/var/log/messages for anything suspicious.

> I have created the mailman list using newlist successfully (as far as I can 
> tell)
> and mailman is running as "service mailman status" shows a PID and
>  ps aux |grep mailman shows 9 processes, 8 of which are runners.

Sure sounds to me like mailman is running fine. I assume aside from
creating the mailman list and checking process status you've verified
mailman you can send and receive mail to a test list and that your web
server is serving mailman cgi correctly.

I suspect your problems may lie with webmin, perhaps a webmin user list
would be better able to answer your questions.
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RE: [Mailman-Users] mailman on RHAS3

[Steven Jones]

8><

> I have created the mailman list using newlist successfully (as far as I can 
> tell)
> and mailman is running as "service mailman status" shows a PID and
>  ps aux |grep mailman shows 9 processes, 8 of which are runners.

Sure sounds to me like mailman is running fine. I assume aside from
creating the mailman list and checking process status you've verified
mailman you can send and receive mail to a test list and that your web
server is serving mailman cgi correctly.

I suspect your problems may lie with webmin, perhaps a webmin user list
would be better able to answer your questions.
-- 
John Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Thanks,

but using the "genuine" mailman rpm and webmin module I get workable results. 
So all I have changed is to the RH mailman.rpm, so more logically, the problem 
lies with,

1) RH's rpm being different in some way
2) Ive missed something while configuring.
3) Ive missed installing some essential dependancy for webmin.

Since webwin's module is extreamely simple ie a file pointing to the newlist, 
rmlist, aliases and newaliases I am tending to look at diffences in 
permissions, the user it runs as or something along these lines, ie something 
RH has customised. It may not be this, but I need to eliminate this in order to 
be confident its 2) or 3).

:}

Re: testing, I am trying to create a test list using webmin at present to test, 
hence these posts.

regards

Steven



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[Mailman-Users] multiple domains

[Steven Jones]

Sorry trying to find if this is possible, I have had no luck so far.

So,

Can mailman be set to appear to come from multiple domains?

Eg, mostly our users will be www.lists./mailman, and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
but some want their own domain. Eg www.arch./mailman and
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] SMTP server overloaded

[Steven Jones]

Your logs should tell you more.

If its sendmail maybe set the max children higher? (or similar on
others), depends on the load of your machine.

Regards

Thing

-Original Message-
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To: Mailman-Users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP server overloaded

Hi,

I had a situation where the SMTP server got overloaded and failed to
accept
connections from Mailman.

What happens to the mail Mailman tried to deliver to the SMTP server?

Does Mailman retry to deliver it later, or is it lost?

Both the SMTP server and Mailman are on the same machine.

Thanks

Nico


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Advantages

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

We use mailman for a very diverse set of people and needs, some few hundred 
mailing lists.  

I would suggest the "terror" they feel is on something new to get over with, 
good luck!

regards

Steven 


From: Mailman-Users  
on behalf of r...@rexgoode.com 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2014 1:05 p.m.
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advantages

I have been a long-time user of mailman and have been on many mailing lists.

I am also part of a professional association of social workers that
operate in my area. They have been using a list of addresses in a Cc
field to manage their mailing list. I can't imagine anything more
fraught with problems than that, but I can't convince these people to
let me host a mailman mailing list for them.

I can think of a lot of advantages myself, but I'm wondering if anyone
has seen a good list somewhere. I'm a strange combination of software
engineer and social worker, so I understand both worlds. My social
worker colleagues tend to think of something like a mailing list as
complicating things rather than simplifying them.

I'm not necessarily asking for a discussion here, but I'd like some
feedback on this.

Viva Mailman!

Rex Goode
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[Mailman-Users] beefing up mailman's web security

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Our mailman web gui is under constant distributed bruteforce attack.  We would 
like to add something like,

https://www.phpcaptcha.org/

to it, is this possible?

or are there any other ideas?

regards

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[Mailman-Users] automating adding and removing subscribers

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Is there a way to automate the adding and removing subscribers from another 
system? such that the list is kept concurrent?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] automating adding and removing subscribers

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

No, this sounds good enough and what I thought of doing as the external 
file/list will be updated once a week which I'll "suck" onto the server.

I just wondered if there was something already written in/for mailman to do 
this.

thanks

regards

Steven


From: Mailman-Users  
on behalf of Chris Nulk 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2015 11:40 a.m.
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] automating adding and removing subscribers

Hello,

It depends on how much work you want to do and how timely the changes
need to be made.  Here is what we have and do...

We have two lists for each group of users.  Both lists are used. One
list is dynamically built using LDAP.  That list is considered the
master list.  Members are not allowed to remove themselves nor change
any options.  The second list is a regular list built using data from
the master list.  Users can removed themselves and change their options.

To automate the adding and removing of subscribers on the second list, we:
1. if .today exists, rename .today to
.yesterday
2. dump the list membership of the masters list to .today
3. diff -i --context=0 .today .yesterday ->
.diff  so that each line of .diff has a '+' before
the address to be added and a '-' before the address to be removed.
4. Split .diff into .add and .remove where
.add has all the '+' addresses (without the '+') and
.remove has the equivalent for address to remove.
5. Use the regular Mailman tools, add_members and remove_members, to add
and remove subscribers to the second list.

We run this process once a day.  When a new user shows up in the master
list, it takes a day to make it to the second list. Acceptable for us.
Run more often if you need faster updates to the second list.

The master list doesn't have to be a list.  It can be a list of address
from a database, LDAP, or anything else.  All the processing to the
master list information can be done on another system or the same
system.  Only send the .add and .remove files to the
Mailman system for final processing.

The process works for us.  Diff occasionally glitches on closely matched
names but a follow on process run weekly fixes the problem.

Good Luck,
Chris

On 10/20/2015 2:42 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to automate the adding and removing subscribers from another 
> system? such that the list is kept concurrent?
>
>
>
> regards
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[Mailman-Users] corrupt list file?

[Steven Jones]

Hi,


We lost our San and on bringing back our mailman server this alert happens 
every minute,  the filesystems are read/write, but it had gone ro, so I 
rebooted the server, most lists seem to be working fine,


==

abrt_version:   2.0.8
cmdline:/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members isc
event_log:
executable: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members
hostname:   vuwunicomailmn1.vuw.ac.nz
kernel: 2.6.32-573.7.1.el6.x86_64
last_occurrence: 1448480447
machineid:  
sosreport_uploader-dmidecode=932d92f15b5e914127493c105c3a0fb10af13399d0e4f82ddc20a6fc387628b8
pkg_arch:   x86_64
pkg_epoch:  3
pkg_name:   mailman
pkg_release:25.el6
pkg_version:2.1.12
time:   Wed 25 Nov 2015 10:00:56 PM NZDT
uid:99
username:   nobody

sosreport.tar.xz: Binary file, 1747868 bytes

backtrace:
:MailList.py:610:__load:IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:
:Traceback (most recent call last):
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members", line 286, in 
:main()
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members", line 230, in main
:mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=False)
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
:self.Load()
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 644, in Load
:dict, e = self.__load(file)
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 610, in __load
:fp = open(dbfile)
:IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:
:Local variables in innermost frame:
:dbfile: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:e: IOError(13, 'Permission denied')
:self: 
:loadfunc: 
:mtime: 1448406079.5505853

==


I dont quite understand why I am having this alert "permission denied"  the 
filesystem is rw,


==

[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]# touch file
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]# ls -l
total 908
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman 459163 Nov 26 08:00 config.pck
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman 458617 Nov 26 08:00 config.pck.last
-rw-r--r--. 1 rootmailman  0 Nov 26 08:52 file
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman133 Nov 20 10:19 pending.pck
-rw-rw-r--. 1 mailman mailman615 Nov 20 10:19 request.pck
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]#

==


is config.pck corrupt?


regards

Steven

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Re: [Mailman-Users] corrupt list file?

[Steven Jones]

The list was obsolete so I have deleted, and rebooted the server.  The list no 
longer exists but I am still getting  this alert 1 to several times a minute.

So what could be calling "/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members 
isc"   ?

regards

Steven



From: Mailman-Users  
on behalf of Steven Jones 
Sent: Thursday, 26 November 2015 8:54 a.m.
To: Mailman-Users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] corrupt list file?

Hi,


We lost our San and on bringing back our mailman server this alert happens 
every minute,  the filesystems are read/write, but it had gone ro, so I 
rebooted the server, most lists seem to be working fine,




==

abrt_version:   2.0.8
cmdline:/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members isc
event_log:
executable: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members
hostname:   vuwunicomailmn1.vuw.ac.nz
kernel: 2.6.32-573.7.1.el6.x86_64
last_occurrence: 1448480447
machineid:  
sosreport_uploader-dmidecode=932d92f15b5e914127493c105c3a0fb10af13399d0e4f82ddc20a6fc387628b8
pkg_arch:   x86_64
pkg_epoch:  3
pkg_name:   mailman
pkg_release:25.el6
pkg_version:2.1.12
time:   Wed 25 Nov 2015 10:00:56 PM NZDT
uid:99
username:   nobody

sosreport.tar.xz: Binary file, 1747868 bytes

backtrace:
:MailList.py:610:__load:IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:
:Traceback (most recent call last):
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members", line 286, in 
:main()
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members", line 230, in main
:mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=False)
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
:self.Load()
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 644, in Load
:dict, e = self.__load(file)
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 610, in __load
:fp = open(dbfile)
:IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:
:Local variables in innermost frame:
:dbfile: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:e: IOError(13, 'Permission denied')
:self: 
:loadfunc: 
:mtime: 1448406079.5505853

==


I dont quite understand why I am having this alert "permission denied"  the 
filesystem is rw,


==

[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]# touch file
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]# ls -l
total 908
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman 459163 Nov 26 08:00 config.pck
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman 458617 Nov 26 08:00 config.pck.last
-rw-r--r--. 1 rootmailman  0 Nov 26 08:52 file
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman133 Nov 20 10:19 pending.pck
-rw-rw-r--. 1 mailman mailman615 Nov 20 10:19 request.pck
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]#

==


is config.pck corrupt?


regards

Steven

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Re: [Mailman-Users] corrupt list file?

[Steven Jones]

Thanks,

Mail seems extremely slow for us right now.

I tried running,

==
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms", line 395, in 
checkdata()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms", line 349, in checkdata
mode = statmode(path)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms", line 82, in statmode
return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
OSError: [Errno 20] Not a directory: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/owners-final/config.pck'
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# 
===

It could be I have a trashed OS/box after losing the disk?

===
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# sudo grep -r '/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members' /etc
Binary file /etc/prelink.cache matches
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# 
===

===
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# sudo grep -r 'list_members' /etc
Binary file /etc/prelink.cache matches
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# 
===

===
sudo grep -r 'list_members' /

8><
===

has a lot of output.

regards

Steven 

From: Mailman-Users  
on behalf of Mark Sapiro 
Sent: Friday, 27 November 2015 10:34 a.m.
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] corrupt list file?

On 11/26/2015 11:41 AM, Steven Jones wrote:
> The list was obsolete so I have deleted, and rebooted the server.  The list 
> no longer exists but I am still getting  this alert 1 to several times a 
> minute.


See my prior reply at
<https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2015-November/080142.html>.


> So what could be calling "/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members 
> isc"   ?


That's a question only you can answer. I would start with

sudo grep -r '/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members' /etc

If that doesn't find it, maybe

sudo grep -r 'list_members' /etc

or

sudo grep -r '/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members' /

or

sudo grep -r 'list_members' /

will.

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[Mailman-Users] feature request

[Steven Jones]

"Should administrator get notices of subscribes and unsubscribes? "


Would it be possible to split these as our list admins would like to see 
unsubscribes but not subscribes.







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Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

It is an emergency mailing list that only gets used in a major emergency,  
19000 subscribers.  We dont really care who subscribes but we dont want 
"important" ppl un-subscribing and then complaining they didnt get teh 
emergency email down the track.



regards

Steven 

From: Mailman-Users  
on behalf of Keith Bierman 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 December 2015 10:47 a.m.
To: Mark Sapiro
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

Probably betrays my ignorance of the OP's needs, but I'd have thought:

1) tracking who joins is more interesting than those leaving
2) client side filtering (including automated discarding) allows the
administrators to save their sanity ...

So I find the described request slightly surprising. Kudos to Mark for not
pushing back on this basis ... but perhaps the OP can provide a little more
context for why this would be a generally GoodThing.

Keith Bierman
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On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 12/06/2015 06:06 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> > "Should administrator get notices of subscribes and unsubscribes? "
> >
> >
> > Would it be possible to split these as our list admins would like to see
> unsubscribes but not subscribes.
>
>
> There are no plans to implement such a split in official MM 2.1
> releases, but if you wanted to implement it, it could be simple
> depending on what you wanted to do.
>
> I.e. if you just wanted to modify the code so that admin_notify_mchanges
> meant "unsubscribes only", you could just find the two lines
>
> if admin_notif is None:
> admin_notif = self.admin_notify_mchanges
>
> about 20 lines below the start of the definition of ApprovedAddMember in
> Mailman/MailList.py and delete them.
>
> Actually splitting the switches into admin_notify_subscribes and
> admin_notify_unsubscribes is more complicated and involves changes to
> multiple modules.
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[Mailman-Users] output help please.

[Steven Jones]

[root@vuwunicomailmn1 mailman]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/sync_members -n -f 
/var/lib/mailman/STUDENT_EMAIL.txt All_Active_Students
Dry run mode
Invalid :
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 mailman]#


So a corrupt/bad email address in mailman?  or in the updating file?



regards

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[Mailman-Users] Purging old archives over 7 years old

[Steven Jones]

Hi,


I have a 12year old mailman server which is absorbing 650gb of expensive disk 
space. Is there any feature that would go through each list's archives and 
delete emails over say 7 years old?   (or maybe even only 3 as we do a yearly 
backup going back a decade).



regards

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[Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

[Steven Jones]

Hi,


We are currently under brute force attack on our mailman server's web ui.


Is there anything / feature that Mailman has that can be used to watch/monitor 
it?


Sadly I think we'll have to remove it off the Internet.


regards

Steven

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