[Mailman-Users] Posting OK but getting not allowed to post message

[john]

I am using mailman 2.1.2 and everything seems to be working ok except that when 
a user makes a post they get a message back saying ...

You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at

I have tried deleting and recreating the list but I still get the message.  
Creating a new list with a different name does not have this problem.

Text searches have been done to find residual info after a list has been 
deleted has resulted with no luck.

Its weird that creating a new list with a new name does not have the error but 
deleting an old list and recreating it does.

Any help or guidance is much appreciated.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Initial problems.

[john]

I am installing exim and mailman on my home system.
I followed all the instructions in the INSTALL and README.EXIM files.

I tried to build a test user. I got the following messages in the various 
logs:

post: 
Jan 30 17:11:01 2002 (25210) post to test2 from mailman-owner@localhost, 
size=1288, 1 failures

smtp:
Jan 30 17:12:01 2002 (25215) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')Jan 30 17:12:01 2002 (25215) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003 
seconds

smtp-failure
Jan 30 17:12:01 2002 (25215) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
Jan 30 17:12:01 2002 (25215) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)

I gave [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the administrator address for test2. 

Any suggestions?

thanks.

John Culleton 


--
Mailman-Users maillist  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

[Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list not respected

[John]

I can't use the bug reporter at sourceforge.

Here is what I tried to report.

Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is
strongly recommended for most mailing lists. (Details)



Poster
This list
Explicit address

Poster is checked.


To: "N2K Broadcast" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: New Message System
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
   charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11
Precedence: bulk
List-Help: 
List-Post: 
List-Subscribe: 
,

List-Id: For members of Network 2000 to keep in touch with each other 

List-Unsubscribe: 
,

List-Archive: 
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:18:09 +0800
Status: R
X-Status: N


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

[Mailman-Users] SSL bugs 2.1b5

[john]

I'm trying to run 2.1b5 under SSL.

Much of mailman appears to work except that links in
several places still have "http" instead of "https"
and also don't have my special port number that I am
using.  
The broken links appear to be using my
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST which of course is just
'mydomain.com' rather than DEFAULT_URL_HOST combined
with DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN.

Some of the links that are broken include:

Password section
  The link to the general options section

Membership management section
  All the alphabetical quick access tab links
  "Click here for legend to table" link

Administrative requests (this page is unusable)
  First "mailing list" link on page
  "More detailed instructions" link
  "View the details" of all held postings link
  All links to individual held postings
  "view all messages from ..." link
  Submit link

General list information page
   Private archive link 

Go to list archives link 

My mm_cfg.py file contains:

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'main.mydomain.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s:1234/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL =
'https://%(hostname)s:1234/pipermail/%(listname)s'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL =
'https://%(hostname)s:1234/pipermail/%(listname)s'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
MTA = 'Postfix'
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PROVATE = 1
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1
SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0
VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1
VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1
DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100
ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT = 1
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1
DEFAULT_DEFAULT_MEMBER_MODERATION = 1
DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 1
DEFAULT_ADMIN_IMMED_NOTIFY = 0
DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0
DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 0
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1
DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_INFO_STALE_AFTER = days(60)
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_YOU_ARE_DISABLED_WARNINGS = 1
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_UNRECOGNIZED_GOES_TO_LIST_OWNER = 0
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_NOTIFY_OWNER_ON_DISABLE = 0
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_NOTIFY_OWNER_ON_REMOVAL = 0
DELIVERY_RETRY_PERIOD = days(1)
DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS = 100

If anyone has mailman already running over SSL I'd
appreciate some help.




  


__
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
http://mailplus.yahoo.com

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers

[john]

On 22-Feb-2001 Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> 
> What should I do with mailman, and it's aliases if I have multiple
> MX servers for a domain?  When the actual mailman server is busy sending
> out email, incoming mail is/can be redirected to a second (backup)
> server that isn't as busy.  However, that backup doesn't have mailman on
> it so, uh...nothing happens, it just bounces.  Both servers are running
> sendmail.  Any ideas?

Why don't you set up a dummy MX for the server that mailman is on and always
have mailman use that same server?

Alternatively create a aliase on the second mail server which forwards the
mailman mail to the real server.

Cheers
John 

-- 
John Vorstermans
Serion E-Commerce Solutions


--
Mailman-Users maillist  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

[Mailman-Users] amount of users / mysql db

[John]

hi,


I've been using mailman for quite some time now- but what I'd like to know
is, what is the maximum amount of supported users?
I.e., if I would need a mailinglist with 500.000 users, and send one email
per week, would mailman be able to manage, or handle, this amount of users?
Is there anyone who handles a high amount of users with mailman? can you
guys tell me what your experiences are, what is the maximum amount of users
that you were able to manage, and so on?

secondly, if I have around ~500.000 email addresses in a mysql database
(perhaps with some additional personal information such as first name, last
name and so on), what is the easiest way to get all these users into the
mailman db?


best regards,

John



--
Mailman-Users maillist  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman...

[John]

- Original Message -
From: "TJ Snider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:35 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman...


> Hi Folks,
>
> I've been trying for the last day and a bit trying to get Mailman
installed,
> with mixed results.
> I'm a long term(16 yrs) developer mostly C/C++ & Java on Mac and Winedows,
> but have some old BSD experience. I'm still coming up to speed with all
the
> sys admin bits of Linux, (I used to help admin an old BSD 4.2 box). I'm
also
> new to Python, but it looks pretty simple to pickup.
>
> I have a RH 6.2 system with a 2.4 kernel, and Exim as the mailer. Python
is
> 1.5.2.
>
> I'm running Apache 1.3.17 with a total of 3 virtual domain(one IP), and
I'm
> running my own DNS for all three such as(names not real);
>
> a.com
> b.org
> c.net
>
> with a.com being the 'host' domain.
>
> I've installed mailman, defaulting to /home/mailman and am able to send
the
> mail for the test mailing list, so the mail path works. However I note
that
> the configuration script picks up c.net as the domain name... despite the
> hostname being a.com, so there's a chance that my DNS configuration isn't
> quite what mailman wants.
>
> I am unable to get to www.a.com/mailman/, and I've pretty scrupulously
> followed the install instructions.
I don't understand why that shouldn't be possible.
(1) where /mailman/ lives under is pretty much defined by your httpd setup.
make sure you have a directory-directive that makes /home/mailman/cgi-bin
accessible.
In the VirtualHost directive for www.a.com, add a ScriptAlias-directive such
as:
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

(2) take a look at /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_py.cfg.
make sure that "default host name" is set to "a.com" and "default url" is
set to
http://www.a.com/mailman/

DO NOT FORGET THE TRAILING SLASH for "default url".

If you have any problems, look at your webserver logs, they shall help you..
as far as I can tell, if you follow these instructions, there shouldn't be
any problems..



John


>
> I've tried several different configuration options but to little avail.
>
> Does this scenario twig anyones memory, or does anyone have any
suggestions
> for what to try next?
>
> Thanks hopefully in advance,
>
> TJ
>
> --
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>


--
Mailman-Users maillist  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

[Mailman-Users] Mass setting of MODerate option?

[John]

Is there any way, in a mass subscription txt file containing 'real-name
 ' to turn the MODerator option on at the same time? Doing it
manually is a chore, as I have all MOD bits set to off in my list.
----
John Weersing


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

[Mailman-Users] All AOL members not receiving emails

[John]

Hello,
Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere... I searched the 
archives and didn't find it.

Did AOL make some major change affecting Mailman a couple weeks ago?  I 
have a Mailman 2.1.5 list with 46 AOL members, all of whom appear to 
have stopped receiving list messages.

Anyone know anything about this?  We haven't gotten any bounces, but 
have noticed the pattern of AOL subscribers asking us why we cut them 
off... so we're checking all AOL subscribers on the list and so far not 
one is receiving.  (It's possible that we'll get a bunch of 
confirmations later, but so far nothing...)

Is there some setting we need to tweak?  Have been running for years 
and no problems other than the usual AOL spam controls getting tweaked 
without the AOL subscriber's knowledge... but before it was always on a 
case-by-case basis and we got bounces back...

Thanks,
John
600 member San Diego scuba diving list
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] All AOL members not receiving emails

[John]

After checking with individual AOL users off-list, we're starting to 
get responses such as the following.  Seems to be some inconsistency in 
the details (gone completely or in spam folder, or some of both), but 
something definitely happened.  We cannot comply with the whitelist 
requirements, so may have to unsubscribe all the AOL people and tell 
them to use a different email if they still wish to be on the list.  
That's kind of a bummer for them.  Anyone have any human being contacts 
at AOL to try to resolve this with them?

John

Thank you for looking into this problem.  I stopped receiving Divebums
messages a few weeks ago, right after AOL did an automatic update.  
Now I find the
Divebums messages in the new 'spam folder'.   Good luck!

Its been a few weeks since I recieved any divebums mail, I found a  few
moved into my SPAM folder and moved them back.

The only reason I got this mail is because I looked in the spam mail 
box
and found it. Its been a very long time since i have recieved email for 
dive
bums and have been trying to figure out if its going to spam mail or if 
its
blocked in some way but if its happening to others then its not my mail
controls. Hpefully this helps I wish I could tell you more but i have 
gotten
some mail here and there but not much for at least a month or possible 
more.

I just got the list today for the first time since 8/21.
I hope it starts working again.

I am one of the people on AOL who stopped receiving Divebums email a
few weeks ago. I had no problem receiving mail from other addresses. I
called AOL a couple of times and they said they looked into it and 
could
find no problem on their end. I checked my spam folder numerous times 
and
there was no divebums email in there. Finally I unsubscribed myself 
from
the
divebums  list, opened a hotmail account, and subscribed my self to
divebums
using the hotmail address. Since then I have had no problems receiving
divebums email at the hotmail address. (AOL is still my ISP). I hope 
this
info helps,

On Aug 31, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
At 2:11 PM -0500 2004-08-31, John wrote:
 Did AOL make some major change affecting Mailman a couple weeks ago? 
 I
 have a Mailman 2.1.5 list with 46 AOL members, all of whom appear to
 have stopped receiving list messages.
	AOL has a tendency to declare that sites are sending them spam and to 
start silently throwing all messages away that come from that site, 
sometimes on the basis of a single spam complaint from a single user.

	Sometimes, that user is a legitimate member of a mailing list from 
that site, and mistakenly clicked on the wrong message and clicked the 
"report as spam" button.  Sometimes that user doesn't remember 
subscribing to it, so they report the message as spam.  Or, sometimes 
the user doesn't remember how to unsubscribe, so they report the 
message as spam.

	There's not really anything you can do about this.  You are subject 
to the whims of the clueless AOL users and the occasional fat-finger 
mistake.

 Is there some setting we need to tweak?  Have been running for years 
and
 no problems other than the usual AOL spam controls getting tweaked 
without
 the AOL subscriber's knowledge... but before it was always on a
 case-by-case basis and we got bounces back...
	The best you can do is apply to be a member of the AOL whitelist 
system.  See <http://postmaster.aol.com/tools/whitelist_guides.html>.

--
Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
  SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

[Mailman-Users] non-member approval based on header.

[John]

Has anyone implemented an automatic non-member approval based on a header value?

thanks,
John


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] How can i make a list public so people who are not subcribed can send a message?

[John]

I also would like to allow non-subscribers to send to a closed list, but I would
like auto-approve based on a custom header... Anyone modified Mailman for that?

Thanks,
John

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! "Stuck Messages"

[John]

I have a similar problem... I use a Virtual Dedicated server to host several
domains with a number of Mailman lists on them. Every so often the traffic on
the Mailman lists drops to a trickle or stops. Bounce volume and regular email
is usually unaffected. I've given up trying to debug it, I just reboot the
server and the flood-gates open. Sometimes the easiest solution/work-around is
brute force...  :-/

John

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

[Mailman-Users] How To disable bounce handler?

[John]

I am having problems with my service provider handling outgoing list email... I
would like to temporarily disable bounce handling for debug so I can see the
complete bounces immediately.

Thanks,
John
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] How To disable bounce handler?

[John]

Thanks, I think I've got it set correct. My server has multiple domains, plesk
and qmail...  in case anybody with a similar setup is interested, I found the
alias at /var/qmail/mailnames//.qmail--bounces

John

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> John wrote:
> 
>> I am having problems with my service provider handling outgoing list 
>> email... I
>> would like to temporarily disable bounce handling for debug so I can see the
>> complete bounces immediately.
> 
> 
> If you have access to the mailman installation, change the list-bounces
> alias to go to you.
> 
> Otherwise, all you can do is make sure that
> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes so that when a member's delivery
> is disabled by bounce you receive the notice which contains the full
> bounce message. You can also reduce the threshold to cause delivery to
> be disabled and a notice sent on the first bounce, but if you do that
> in Mailman prior to 2.1.10, a bug in cron/disabled will possibly
> disable delivery for users with stale bounce info.
> 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] How To disable bounce handler?

[John]

Looks like plesk is self healing...  :-/  when you shut off and turn on mailman
it rebuilds the list aliases. Also appears that I am running 2.1.9 and the plesk
update for mailman doesn't actually update mailman!?

I guess I need to figure out how to get 2.1.12 running. Currently ...12 update
dies because it wants the python development package. Will the current python
break plesk??  8-0  So remind me again how plesk makes my life easier?  :-P

John

I wrote:
> Thanks, I think I've got it set correct. My server has multiple domains, plesk
> and qmail...  in case anybody with a similar setup is interested, I found the
> alias at /var/qmail/mailnames//.qmail--bounces
> 
> John
> 
> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> I am having problems with my service provider handling outgoing list 
>>> email... I
>>> would like to temporarily disable bounce handling for debug so I can see the
>>> complete bounces immediately.
>>
>> If you have access to the mailman installation, change the list-bounces
>> alias to go to you.
>>
>> Otherwise, all you can do is make sure that
>> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes so that when a member's delivery
>> is disabled by bounce you receive the notice which contains the full
>> bounce message. You can also reduce the threshold to cause delivery to
>> be disabled and a notice sent on the first bounce, but if you do that
>> in Mailman prior to 2.1.10, a bug in cron/disabled will possibly
>> disable delivery for users with stale bounce info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Call me Don Quixote... :-(

[John]

I have to impossible dream of have *all* the mailing lists on my server work. So
far one of the previously working lists continues to evade all methods of
retrieving useful debug information...  The other lists on the same
server/domain currently seem to be OK, so the only conclusion I have is it's the
number of subscribers or my provider is blocking emails out. Digests for the
problem list still seem to go out every day. The original problem seemed to be
RBL related, but that problem has either been solved or well obscured...
Server info:
   Intel(R) Xeon(R)CPU 5110 @ 1.60GHz
   Red Hat Fedora Core 7, Linux 2.6.9-023stab043.1-smp
   Parallels Plesk 9.2.3
   Mailman 2.1.9

What hasn't worked:
* My service provider claimed the info in disable messages was insufficient for
debug!?
* I tried to bypass bounce processing by changing the list-bounces alias. Plesk
fixed the alias.
* I reduced the bounce threshold, now people are kicked off sooner. Today's
batch of almost 200 disables returned no useful information! All returned:
> The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
> 
> Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
> mail...@rx7-world.net.
> 
> [disabled by periodic sweep and cull, no message available]

* VERP worked a couple times on my test list, but never on the other lists, even
though *sometimes* it did send the messages individually from the standard
list-bounce address. I set VERP options:
   VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
   VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1

* tried to update from 2.1.9 to 2.1.12, but Mailman requires the Python
development package. The latest Python won't install for some obscure reason...
(Why my PC running Linux has Python dev. and will install Mailman and the server
services I *PAY* for won't is a baffling question...)

* couldn't find any useful information in the logfiles.

Have I mentioned that I'm frustrated and likely have ~450 annoyed list members
by now? Not to mention that every piece of SPAM on the planet seems to have no
problem finding it's way to -ow...@mydomain...  :-/

Hopefully someone has a hint that might help me find a resolution to the 
problem

John
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Call me Don Quixote... :-(

[John]

answers inline...

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> John wrote:
> 
>> What hasn't worked:
>> * My service provider claimed the info in disable messages was insufficient 
>> for
>> debug!?
> 
> 
> And can you post one?

This was around the time my provider changed the smart host pool... The
64.202.189.86  IP address was in the pool & on at least 2 RBLs. The
208.109.80.54 IP is in the new pool and apparently still on 1 RBL list :-(. They
claim they did not bounce back to my server... I haven't seen this since 11/10,
but the rx7 list email is not being delivered.  I don't understand why my other
lists seem to be unaffected...


List:   rx7
Member: usern...@aol.com
Action: Subscription disabled.
Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.


The triggering bounce notice is attached below.

Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
mail...@rx7-world.net.


:
64.202.189.86 failed after I sent the message.
Remote host said: 554 Message refused.

long list of similar msgs removed...

:
208.109.80.54 failed after I sent the message.
Remote host said: 554 Message refused.


>> * I reduced the bounce threshold, now people are kicked off sooner. Today's
>> batch of almost 200 disables returned no useful information! All returned:
>>> The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
>>>
>>> Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
>>> mail...@rx7-world.net.
>>>
>>> [disabled by periodic sweep and cull, no message available]
> 
> 
> Because there was no 'triggering' bounce. The disable occurred because
> the threshold was reduced to a value <= the current score for these
> 200.

That makes sense, since I changed the bounce threshold...

>> * VERP worked a couple times on my test list, but never on the other lists, 
>> even
>> though *sometimes* it did send the messages individually from the standard
>> list-bounce address. I set VERP options:
>>   VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
>>   VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
> 
> 
> Did you restart Mailman after changing those settings in mm_cfg.py?

I don't remember, but I did now...

>> * couldn't find any useful information in the logfiles.
> 
> 
> Anything in smtp-failure?

empty

> Does the smtp log say it delivered the post to the appropriate number
> of recipients?

it's hard to say... there is no single entry for the problem list that has the
correct number (446 less a few nomail). I also don't know what the items are per
line. I assume it's:
timestamp, (???), msg ID, info
-> Nov 12 03:45:42 2009 (32441) 
-> smtp to rx7 for 1 recips, completed in 0.135 seconds

What's the value in ()'s? It doesn't seem to be msg length...

>> Hopefully someone has a hint that might help me find a resolution to the 
>> problem
> 
> 
> Show us a disable message with an actual triggering bounce.

see above...

Thanks,
John
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Call me Don Quixote... :-(

[John]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> John wrote:
> 
>> answers inline...
>>
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>> John wrote:
>>>
>>>> What hasn't worked:
>>>> * My service provider claimed the info in disable messages was 
>>>> insufficient for
>>>> debug!?
>>>
>>> And can you post one?
>> This was around the time my provider changed the smart host pool... The
>> 64.202.189.86  IP address was in the pool & on at least 2 RBLs. The
>> 208.109.80.54 IP is in the new pool and apparently still on 1 RBL list :-(. 
>> They
>> claim they did not bounce back to my server...
> 
> 
> They aren't bouncing to your server. They are refusing to accept the
> message from your server. The fact that those IPs may be in RBLs is
> not relevant, because that would only affect delivery from them to the
> destination, and they aren't accepting the mail from you in the first
> place.
> 
> 
>> I haven't seen this since 11/10,
>> but the rx7 list email is not being delivered.  I don't understand why my 
>> other
>> lists seem to be unaffected...
> 
> 
> If it's only one list, it might have something to do with the smarthost
> not liking the particular rx7-boun...@... envelope sender. That's
> about the only thing that's list specific except maybe list size.
> 
> 
>> 
>>List:   rx7
>>Member: usern...@aol.com
>>Action: Subscription disabled.
>>Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.
>>
>>
>> The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
>>
>> Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
>> mail...@rx7-world.net.
> 
> 
> You have not included the headers of this notification message part ,
> but presumably it came from your own MTA.
> 
> 
>> :
>> 64.202.189.86 failed after I sent the message.
>> Remote host said: 554 Message refused.
>>
>>  long list of similar msgs removed...
>>
>> :
>> 208.109.80.54 failed after I sent the message.
>> Remote host said: 554 Message refused.
>> 

I found a detailed bounce in my collection from before I entered a support
ticket about RBLs at the beginning of Oct.
=
k2smtpout05-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

:
212.59.31.115 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [64.202.189.56]
blocked using dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net; IP 64.202.189.56 is UCEPROTECT-Level 1
listed. See http://www.uceprotect.net/rblcheck.php?ipr=64.202.189.56
Giving up on 212.59.31.115.
=
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I smell a cover-up... Soon after the support
ticket, I started receiving the summarized failures and bounces from the smart
host...  :-/It's a lot easier to deny an email delivery problem if you
return a vague bounce message instead of the real thing...

> And as you know, those IPs are servers in the secureserver.net domain
> which presumably are the smarthost through which you're relaying and
> it is these servers that are refusing to accept the message from you.
> 
> How do you authenticate to these servers? Why should they accept and
> relay your mail?

hmmm ... 'cause they accept and relay everything else from the server? :-P  (ya
gotta have some fun when things go wrong or else you'll go nuts. ;-) )

>>
>>> Does the smtp log say it delivered the post to the appropriate number
>>> of recipients?
>> it's hard to say... there is no single entry for the problem list that has 
>> the
>> correct number (446 less a few nomail).
> 
> 
> What are the recipient numbers in the entry(s) for the message-id of a
> post?

If VERP is on won't there only be 1 recipient/message-id, but multiple
message-ids/post to Non-digest members? I also can't find a match to the
received message IDs.  It looks like digest is different, 2 entries totaling 262
"recips"...

For now, I'm going to assume (ouch) that it's my provider's problem.  Thanks for
all for the patience and answers. If nothing else, I learned more about the
workings of Mailman & qmail.  :-DI may try shutting off the RFC headers on
the lists and see if that changes anything...

John
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Call me Don Quixote... :-(

[John]

This morning I checked the smtp log to see if I could find a match to my daily
ping. I did find it today, 1 entry for 156 members. And I got 156 summarized
bounces with 554 errors.  :-/  I'm going to try renaming the list or creating a
new one with the same members to see what happens...

John

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>>>>> Does the smtp log say it delivered the post to the appropriate number
>>>>> of recipients?
>>>> it's hard to say... there is no single entry for the problem list that has 
>>>> the
>>>> correct number (446 less a few nomail).
>>>
>>> What are the recipient numbers in the entry(s) for the message-id of a
>>> post?
>> If VERP is on won't there only be 1 recipient/message-id, but multiple
>> message-ids/post to Non-digest members? I also can't find a match to the
>> received message IDs.  It looks like digest is different, 2 entries totaling 
>> 262
>> "recips"...
> 
> 
> The individual (non-digest) messages are all the same message with the
> original message-id. The message may be delivered to the MTA by the
> SMTPDirect.py module in multiple transactions or even (with VERP) in
> transactions with a single recipient and a unique envelope sender, but
> there is still only one smtp log entry written by Mailman with the
> total number of recipients delivered to the MTA.
> 
> The message-id in a message received from the list should be logged in
> the smtp log.
> 
> Two entries per digest with Mailman generated message-ids is correct.
> one entry is for the plain format digest and one for the MIME format
> digest. These are separate messages with distinct contents, thus two
> messages. These may have been delivered to the MTA in multiple
> transactions or VERPed, but there are still only one log entry for the
> plain digest and one for the MIME digest.
> 
> 
>> For now, I'm going to assume (ouch) that it's my provider's problem.  Thanks 
>> for
>> all for the patience and answers. If nothing else, I learned more about the
>> workings of Mailman & qmail.  :-DI may try shutting off the RFC headers 
>> on
>> the lists and see if that changes anything...
> 
> 
> There is some reason why this only affects one list. The question is
> why does the smarthost see mail from this list differently? Does the
> smarthost rate-limit you? I.e. does it reject all but the first 300
> recipients in an hour or something like that?
> 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Call me Don Quixote... :-(

[John]

Update: The smart host rejection problem that was affecting only 1 of the
Mailman lists on my server was fixed by my provider. No explanation or email
notifying me of the fix was provided... it just started working again Friday
morning.

Thanks all for you input,
John
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] reply-to options

[John]

OK I've checked the FAQ's and archives but can't find an answer to this 
dilemma.  Actually I'm suppressed because I can't imagine I'm the only user 
that has had this issue.  

So here it is.  List members desire to be able to "reply-to" the list when 
answering a post by clicking their email client's "reply" button but at the 
same time see the original posters "from" address in the post.  I have tried 
all types of configuration of the General Options "Reply-To: header mugging" 
but to no avail.  Can a "from" and "reply-to" both be in the header?

John
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] reply-to thread

[John]

I want to thank Mark and Steven for their reply's.  Steven I do believe this 
may be an Outlook issue, but to clear up my post for Mark here's further 
explanation.  I currently have reply_goes_to "the list" and strip_reply_to set 
to "no".  With this setting both the non-digest and digest show "from" as the 
list not the original sender (in Outlook or MS mail, don't know about others).  
With this setting member replies to the post by selecting either "reply" or 
"reply all" will direct a response back to the list which members like because 
they do not have to copy/paste the list address in the "to" field.  However, 
members would also like to see the original poster's email address also in the 
header.  Now I understand I can set reply_goes_to to "poster" and the original 
poster's address will show as "from" BUT if members simply hit "reply" the 
response goes to the poster and not the list.  Members must cut the posters 
address and paste the list's in the "to" or "cc" field.  This 
 seems to be what Steven and Mark have done with the cc field.  Now, is there a 
configuration of the reply_goes_to and strip_reply_to fields on the General 
Options that will give list members the best of both worlds?

Thanks
John
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] update trashed Mailman... :-/

[John]

Applied a bunch of updates last night, including Mailman... now Mailman is
trashed again.  >:-(  I remember fixing this when I first setup Mailman, not
amused the an update "restores" the issue. Now I need to remember what I fixed
last time.

John

"Command died with status 2:
"/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post ". Command output: Group 
mismatch
error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group
"mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group
"nogroup".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group
"mailman", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=nogroup'."
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] update trashed Mailman... :-/

[John]

I remember last time 'tweaking the mail server to run the script as group
"mailman"'. After some file rummaging, I decided to rerun "configure
--with-mail-gid=nogroup" & remake mailman. Lists are working again. Hopefully
that will permanently solve the issue...

John

On 3/24/15 8:46 AM, John wrote:
> Applied a bunch of updates last night, including Mailman... now Mailman is
> trashed again.  >:-(  I remember fixing this when I first setup Mailman, not
> amused the an update "restores" the issue. Now I need to remember what I fixed
> last time.
> 
> John
> 
> "Command died with status 2:
> "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post ". Command output: Group 
> mismatch
> error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group
> "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group
> "nogroup".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group
> "mailman", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
> `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'."
> 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam, abuse

[John]

On 6/17/16 9:21 AM, Jim Dory wrote:
> We have mounting complaints from AOL,
>> Yahoo and Hotmail

I think that says it all...  I have regular issues with the free email services,
requiring email exchanges with their IT groups. Every time they tighten the
SPAM/UCE rules, all hell breaks loose.  :-/   At one time I was even considering
just dropping all free email service subscribers.

I've run my mailman lists for over 6 years now on my own VMs hosted by LINODE.
Makes me responsible for my own IPs & their reputation...  I used to use Go
Daddy VMs, but they used a common out going email server pool, more like a
cesspool. Had lots of problems because Go Daddy IP blocks were always on
somebodies block list. :-(

John
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Starting mailman on reboot

[John]

On 2/27/19 8:19 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 2/27/19 1:45 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
>> The script in misc/ is the only one named mailman though. There is none in
>> scripts/.
> That was a mistake in the manual. It is now fixed. See
> <https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node42.html>.
> 
> 
>> I copied that into etc/init.d/ and rebooted, but mailman did not come up
>> still.
> 
> You may need 'chmod +x etc/init.d/'.
> 
> What does 'systemctl status mailman' show?
> 

hmmm...  I have mailman on 2 systems. One does not start on boot. Referencing
the manual link, I have no misc/mailman on either system.(?) Both systems are
ubuntu (different versions), with Virtualmin.

From the failing system:
root>systemctl status mailman
● mailman.service - LSB: Mailman Master Queue Runner
   Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/mailman; bad; vendor preset: enabled)
   Active: inactive (dead)
 Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)



John
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Starting mailman on reboot

[John]

On 2/27/19 12:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 2/27/19 9:36 AM, John wrote:
>> hmmm...  I have mailman on 2 systems. One does not start on boot. Referencing
>> the manual link, I have no misc/mailman on either system.(?) Both systems are
>> ubuntu (different versions), with Virtualmin.
> 
> misc/mailman is in the source distribution. If you installed the
> Debian/Ubuntu package, you probably don't have that, but it appears you
> do have /etc/init.d/mailman
> 
>> From the failing system:
>> root>systemctl status mailman
>> ● mailman.service - LSB: Mailman Master Queue Runner
>>Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/mailman; bad; vendor preset: enabled)
> These are normal.
> 
>>Active: inactive (dead)
> This of course is not.
> 
> Are the ownership and mode of /etc/init.d/mailman the same on both
> systems and is there any difference in the contents?
> 
> You might try 'systemctl enable mailman' on the non-starting system.
> 
> -- Mark Sapiro  The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco 
> Bay
> Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

I forgot I found the problem before, reminded myself by debugging again... ;-)
The directory /var/run/mailman is going away on reboot, so mailman can't create
the pid file. The work-around is to create /var/run/mailman with the proper
permissions & ownership and start the mailman service. I'm going to compare my 2
init.d files, if there is no difference, I am going to patch the init.d file to
check for /var/run/mailman...

Thanks,
John
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Starting mailman on reboot

[John]

On 2/27/19 2:03 PM, I wrote:
> On 2/27/19 12:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> On 2/27/19 9:36 AM, John wrote:
>>> hmmm...  I have mailman on 2 systems. One does not start on boot. 
>>> Referencing
>>> the manual link, I have no misc/mailman on either system.(?) Both systems 
>>> are
>>> ubuntu (different versions), with Virtualmin.
>>
>> misc/mailman is in the source distribution. If you installed the
>> Debian/Ubuntu package, you probably don't have that, but it appears you
>> do have /etc/init.d/mailman
>>
>>> From the failing system:
>>> root>systemctl status mailman
>>> ● mailman.service - LSB: Mailman Master Queue Runner
>>>Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/mailman; bad; vendor preset: enabled)
>> These are normal.
>>
>>>Active: inactive (dead)
>> This of course is not.
>>
>> Are the ownership and mode of /etc/init.d/mailman the same on both
>> systems and is there any difference in the contents?
>>
>> You might try 'systemctl enable mailman' on the non-starting system.
>>
>> -- Mark Sapiro  The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco 
>> Bay
>> Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> I forgot I found the problem before, reminded myself by debugging again... ;-)
> The directory /var/run/mailman is going away on reboot, so mailman can't 
> create
> the pid file. The work-around is to create /var/run/mailman with the proper
> permissions & ownership and start the mailman service. I'm going to compare 
> my 2
> init.d files, if there is no difference, I am going to patch the init.d file 
> to
> check for /var/run/mailman...
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> 

scratch the patching...  apparently something on my system is wonky, as mailman,
as expected, correctly tries to set up the required directories.

John

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Read-only file system

[John]

We're attempting to install mailman on our new server. It's been running 
happily on our old one for years.
This server is running Oracle 9 RHEL Linux. It uses postfix for its MTA. We 
built mailman 2. 1.39 from source, with the options ./configure 
--with-cgi-gid=apache –with-mail-gid=nobody .
If someone subscribes to our mailing list, mailman will successfully send a 
confirmation message.
Messages posted to the list, however, fail with:

Command died with status 1:
"/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post newsletter". Command output:
Traceback (most recent call last): File
"/usr/local/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in  main() File
"/usr/local/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main tolist=1,
_plaintext=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py",
line 136, in enqueue fp = open(tmpfile, 'w') IOError: [Errno 30]
Read-only file system:
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/1719765141.057583+cb104828efdd0023821ead337d3d60f72e949690.pck.tmp'

Setting /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/ to have write permissions for all didn’t 
fix the problem.
Does anyone have any experience with this issue, and a suggestion as to how to 
resolve it? We’ve tried everything we can think of, and madness is setting in.
Thanks.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org
To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com

[Mailman-Users] Re: Read-only file system

[John]

Thanks again for getting back to us.


mount says:

/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime)

this being where mailman lives. The file system definitely seems to be 
read-write.


I can successfully create a file /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/ , even if I log 
in as a non-root user.


Turning off SELINUX was pretty much the first thing we did when we got the 
server. I just checked - it's still off:

SELINUX=disabled


Mailman was started as a service:


[Unit]
Description=GNU Mailing List Manager
After=syslog.target network.target

[Service]
ExecStartPre=/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailman-update-cfg
ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/install -m644 -o root -g root 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/crontab.in /etc/cron.d/mailman
ExecStartPre=/bin/touch /var/log/mailman/error
ExecStartPre=/bin/chown mailman:mailman /var/log/mailman/error
ExecStartPre=/bin/chmod 660 /var/log/mailman/error
ExecStart=/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
ExecReload=/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart
ExecStop=/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailman-update-cfg
ExecStop=/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop
ExecStop=/bin/sh -c 'echo -e "# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE!\n#\n# Contents of this 
file managed by /etc/init.d/mailman\n# Master copy is 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/crontab.in" > /etc/cron.d/mailman'
Type=forking

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

I've also tried running it manually, like this:

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

with the same results. I'm logged in as root at the time.


All the files in the mailman directory are owned root:mailman .


I sincerely appreciate your help - even the wild guesses. If there's anything 
else I can tell you, please let me know.

::Jack

From: Carl Zwanzig 
Sent: 03 July 2024 03:58
To: John ; mailman-users@python.org 

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Read-only file system

(Please reply to the list, not the individual)

On 7/2/2024 4:14 PM, John wrote:
> Yes, I did run check_perms - it showed no problems.

As Mark suggested, is the file system mounted read-only? 'mount' will
show that, and fstab could make that the default.

What happens when you manually try to create a file in
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/?

Is 'selinux' turned on? that can cause all kinds of permission errors.

How was mailman started and by which user?
Are the mailman user/group correct?

Otherwise, without a lot more info about your installation and whay
you've checked we're just making wild guesses.

z!

--
Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org
To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com

[Mailman-Users] Mailman subscribe confirmation

[John]

Hello,

We've encountered a weird issue with mailman 2. We're using mailman 2.1.39, 
running on a straight RHEL 9 server.

When someone subscribes to a mailing list, they receive an email that says, 
among other things:


Or visit this web page:


http:///mailman/confirm//9e2fccef2ac047bb3d67e602e7fb695a277afe43


Normally, clicking on this link would confirm the subscription. In our case, it 
prompts for the string again, and keeps doing so - it seems that mailman 
doesn't recognize the string as being valid.

Using one of the other confirmation methods, such as just replying to the 
message, works correctly. The new subscriber is confirmed successfully.

The same issue occurs for unsubscribe requests.

The What steps are required for subscription? option is set to Confirm.

Can anyone suggest how to fix this?

Thanks.

::Jack



--
Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org
To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
Member address: arch...@jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Read-only File System

[John]

Hello,

Several days ago, I posted a message to his list concerning our installation of 
Mailman 2, and a weird problem that caused messages posted to a list to fail, 
as /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/ was behaving like it was read-only.

First off, thanks to everyone who replied with suggestions.

While we haven't determined what was causing this issue, we did devise a 
work-around of sorts. I'm posting it here in case someone else encounters the 
same issue.

The problem that we encountered was that mailman / python regarded 
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles and all the directories under it to be read-only. 
They're not - anything else that wants to create a file therein can do so.

This was how we fixed it:


  1.
Stop mailman if it's running.
  2.
cd /usr/local/mailman .
  3.
cp -R qfiles /qfiles . (I suspect there are more appropriate places to copy the 
directory to, such as /var - this worked for us and we stopped messing with it.)
  4.
mv qfiles qfiles.dist - just in case you ever figure out the real cause and 
want to reverse all this.
  5.
ln -s /qfiles qfiles . (That is, create a symbolic link to the /qfiles 
directory, or wherever you decided to put it.)
  6.
Start mailman

Mailman proved to have no problem writing to the relocated qfiles directory, 
and everything magically started working.

Hope this saves someone from banging their head against a wall, as we very 
nearly wound up doing.

::Jack



--
Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org
To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
Member address: arch...@jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Re: Read-only File System

[John]

I didn't... but I tried it now, as I kept the original qfiles directory under 
another name.

It said:

--e--- qfiles.dist/commands
qfiles.dist/commands:
--e--- qfiles.dist/shunt
qfiles.dist/shunt:
--e--- qfiles.dist/in
qfiles.dist/in:
--e--- qfiles.dist/bounces
qfiles.dist/bounces:
--e--- qfiles.dist/virgin
qfiles.dist/virgin:
--e--- qfiles.dist/archive
qfiles.dist/archive:
--e--- qfiles.dist/retry
qfiles.dist/retry:
--e--- qfiles.dist/out
qfiles.dist/out:
--e--- qfiles.dist/news


::Jack



From: Dmitri Maziuk 
Sent: 05 July 2024 16:53
To: mailman-users@python.org 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Read-only File System

On 7/5/24 08:53, John wrote:
...
> Mailman proved to have no problem writing to the relocated qfiles directory, 
> and everything magically started working.

Did you try lsattr on the original files/dir?

Just curious,
Dima
--
Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org
To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
Member address: j_p_waterho...@hotmail.com
--
Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org
To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com

[Mailman-Users] Hackers subscribing lots of people

[John]

Hello,

We're running mailman 2.

Quite a few script kiddies and other idiots have figured out that they can use 
our mailman installation to annoy people. They bypass the subscribe page 
directly, and run cgi-bin/subscribe directly - many, many times.

We fixed the problem by removing the appropriate executable permission from 
cgi-bin/subscribe and rewriting the list info page to handle subscriptions 
differently. (We removed the Subscribe fields and button.)

While this works, it's inelegant and a bit convoluted.

Is there another way to prevent this, and leave the default info page intact?

Thanks.

::Jack


--
Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org
To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain HOW TO/FAQ/support

[John Buttery]

* Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-17 17:18:35 -0500]:
> The short answer is that for Sendmail you need to use the Generic
> Tables.  In the end it is often easier to switch to Postfix.  The
> support for virtual domains on Postfix is much better than for Sendmail

  He's asking about the email as it displays on the web pages; wouldn't
this be a Mailman config issue rather than an MTA issue?

-- 
----
 John Buttery
 (Web page temporarily unavailable)




msg13816/pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] header intact

[John Buttery]

* DIG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-17 15:40:26 -0600]:
> -- It should be just "intact" ;-))

  That depends on whether you read it as:

Reply with the subject: header intact

  ...or...

Reply with the subject header: intact 

  Either way it's pretty amusing (apologies to OP for the joke at its
expense :p).

-- 
----
 John Buttery
 (Web page temporarily unavailable)




msg13817/pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with SunOs

[John Buttery]

* Boguslaw Obara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-16 17:44:09 +0100]:
> I have problem to install locally Mplayer !!!

  OK, this is getting progressively worse:

1) The "subject header intact" email,
2) some list admin asking a group of strangers to send him his password,
3) and now MPlayer installation troubles?

  No point, just wanted to point out that normally high-s/n-ratio list
is having a bit of a surreal day.  :) 

-- 
----
 John Buttery
 (Web page temporarily unavailable)




msg13818/pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain HOW TO/FAQ/support

[John Buttery]

* Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-17 22:28:08 -0500]:
> Good point, he did specifically mention the web pages - so why didn't
> you answer the question...?

  Well, mostly it's because most of the best answers on this list come
from you, so I half-assumed my answer was misguided (I know it isn't
wrong, because I have Mailman working using sendmail without having
edited genericstable).  Secondarily because I didn't know the answer.
:)

> The best answer on the web page displays is to use the latest beta which
> has better support for virtual domains.

  Personally, I'm not really much help on this, due to the fact that it
just worked "out of the box" for me.  I'm using the hostname
"lists.domain.com" instead of the machine's primary name and it works
OK; I had to configure Mailman to use this hostname, but I didn't have
to do any fancy footwork with it or the MTA... 

-- 

 John Buttery
 (Web page temporarily unavailable)




msg13823/pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Archive and web link problems with 2.1

[John Swartzentruber]

I just installed Mailman 2.1 this morning. I'm discovering a couple
problems and I'm not sure if they are mine or mailman's.

1. When I go to the private archive for a list at
http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname, I see the usual
possibilities. Unfortunately the links do not work. For example, to
view archives by thread for this year, the URL is:

http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/2003q1/thread.html

This doesn't work because it is missing the list name. The correct URL
is:

http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname/2003q1/thread.html

Is this a problem in Mailman, or is my configuration wrong somehow? I
installed Mailman 2.1 from source into the default location. I'm
running RedHat7.3, so this was not the location where Mailman 2.0.13
was installed. After everything was installed, I moved my lists to the
new location (from /var/mailman/lists to /usr/local/mailman/lists).


2. I'm not sure if this is a problem or is as intended. I am running a
small personal network. My server computer, which runs sendmail and
apache, is inside my network and behind my firewall/router. Because of
this, I need have aliases set up that allow me to access my webpages.
That means that although my real site is www.mcswartz.org, I access it
internally as mcswartz.org.swartz (as I showed above).

My problem is that on some of the administration pages, some links link
to http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/... and other's link to
http://www.mcswartz.org/mailman/...

For example, from
http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/admin/listname/members, I can access
all of the "configuration categories" correctly, but I cannot "Go to
list archives". Even more annoying, I can only see the A's that are
subscribed to my list because all of the other letters link to the
www.mcswartz.org URLs, which I cannot access internally.



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive and web link problems with 2.1

[John Swartzentruber]

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:09:15 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

>
>>>>>> "JS" == John Swartzentruber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>JS> 1. When I go to the private archive for a list at
>JS> http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname, I see the
>---^^^
>
>Wow, I wasn't aware that "swartz" was a new TLD. :)

Well, you learn something new every day :-) 

>JS> Is this a problem in Mailman, or is my configuration wrong
>JS> somehow? I installed Mailman 2.1 from source into the default
>JS> location. I'm running RedHat7.3, so this was not the location
>JS> where Mailman 2.0.13 was installed. After everything was
>JS> installed, I moved my lists to the new location (from
>JS> /var/mailman/lists to /usr/local/mailman/lists).
>
>Check your Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py files to see if things like
>PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL make sense.

It has the default value in Default.py, and I haven't overridden it in
mm_cfg.py. It is:
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'

It seems that if this value were bad, it would not get me to the main
archives page. As it is, I can get there fine, but the links on that
page are incorrect. I don't know Python (I'm pretty much 100% C++ for
the last 12 years), but if you give me some pointers, I could try to
snoop around a bit.

Actually, I just found something interesting. It might be an Apache
configuration problem. If so and someone has a clue, I'd appreciate
hearing about it.

When I use this URL:

http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname

The links (which I see are relative), leave out the "listname" part.

But when I use this URL:

http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname/

The links include the "listname" part and work correctly.


>JS> My problem is that on some of the administration pages, some
>JS> links link to http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/... and
>JS> other's link to http://www.mcswartz.org/mailman/...
>
>JS> For example, from
>JS> http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/admin/listname/members, I
>JS> can access all of the "configuration categories" correctly,
>JS> but I cannot "Go to list archives". Even more annoying, I can
>JS> only see the A's that are subscribed to my list because all of
>JS> the other letters link to the www.mcswartz.org URLs, which I
>JS> cannot access internally.
>
>I don't think Mailman's gong to work to well this way.  Basically, you
>can't give lists multiple personalities.  You'll probably have to do
>some fancy redirections with Apache to make this work.

Couldn't Mailman produce the URLs more consistently? For example, when
I look at the HTML, some of the links start with "../../../admin/", and
some of them start with "http://www.mcswartz.org/mailman/admin/";. The
relative URLs work fine for me, but the absolute ones don't.

Thanks for your help.



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 > Footer user variable.

[John Swartzentruber]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:59:01 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

>Go to Non-Digest Options -> personalize and read the details.

It would be helpful if these personalized footer fields were also
listed in the "Details for msg_footer". Or at least a mention that they
are listed in the "Details for personalize".




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Every day

[John Buttery]

* Ivan Van Laningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-08 07:40:45 -0700]:
> You might be right, but I never received those messages until Mailman
> was installed on RH 6.1, and I have continued to receive them daily
> through several changes/upgrades of RH to and including 7.3.  I think
> it's perfectly normal to suspect something that was install the day
> before the messages started.

  You might try running this command:

rpm -qf /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch 

  That will tell you which package installed that file; that's the one
that's generating the error message, right?

-- 
----
 John Buttery
 (Web page temporarily unavailable)




msg14288/pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] no 2.1 version on Gnu FTP site?

[John Dennis]

I went looking for the new 2.1 version so we can update the RedHat RPM 
with it, but I was surprised that there was no 2.1 version on the GNU 
FTP site, but I did find it on SourceForge. Is this an oversight?

John



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Mailman-Users] no 2.1 version on Gnu FTP site?

[John Dennis]

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 13:19, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> When will this RPM be produced? And where can I get it from?

In the next few days. I will post a pointer when its done. I'm trying to
clean up some issues in the spec file at the moment. Getting some
testing on installing this package will be appreciated.

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 13:37, Adam Beatham wrote:
> along these same lines.. I don't suppose there's a BSD package, 

I'm sorry I can't help you with BSD, perhaps someone else can.

John



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re:3rd time lucky

[John Buttery]

* K G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-09 15:42:48 -0800]:
> ..."Hello"...i would like to introduce myself  im new to this
> mailing list, as a matter of fact im new to any mailing list *smile.

  Mailman has a date?  :)

-- 

 John Buttery
 (Web page temporarily unavailable)




msg14406/pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Moderating a list via email

[John DeCarlo]

Hello,

I have searched the FAQ, I have searched the archives, I have done 
Google searches, I went to www.list.org and other links from there.
I swear I have seen this somewhere before, but now can't find it. 
Apologies in advance.

Problem:  The moderators need to be able to moderate some lists when 
they don't have access to the web interface, but do have access to 
email.  (For some internal lists, the web server is behind a firewall 
and only accessible on site or via VPN.)

Then I will try to change the text that goes with the email to the 
moderators, referencing the email approval process as well.

Thank for any pointers

--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderating a list via email

[John DeCarlo]

Hello,

Replying to my own request, but there you go.

I found that reading the email about moderation more carefully showed 
that there was an attached email:

>Subject:
>confirm 5f901f3663c7d0e7d90ffb2de186da8bdfb2fdad
>From:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
>Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
>spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
>with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
>to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
>of the body of the reply.


It was a little bit tricky, but while I could not figure out how to 
reply to the attached message, I could cut and paste the Subject: line 
into a new message to the right address.

(P.S. I found in the archives a note from Jon Carnes suggesting sending 
"help" command to the list-request address.  This got me to the 
"confirm" command, which actually led to searching for confirm and 
finding the attachment email which I had not thought to try and read 
before.)




John DeCarlo wrote:
Hello,

I have searched the FAQ, I have searched the archives, I have done 
Google searches, I went to www.list.org and other links from there.
I swear I have seen this somewhere before, but now can't find it. 
Apologies in advance.

Problem:  The moderators need to be able to moderate some lists when 
they don't have access to the web interface, but do have access to 
email.  (For some internal lists, the web server is behind a firewall 
and only accessible on site or via VPN.)

Then I will try to change the text that goes with the email to the 
moderators, referencing the email approval process as well.

Thank for any pointers


--

John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
voice:  703-883-7116
fax:703-883-3383
DISA cube:  703-882-0593



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Clarification on filtering messages going to Mailmanlists

[John DeCarlo]

Hello,

I can see FAQ 4.15 on using procmail to filter email before Mailman gets 
it.  I have seen discussions in the archives about using other spam 
software to filter, as well as a "wish list" request to have Mailman 
itself handle "out of office" replies.  Also a long thread about idiotic 
software and users and needing to look for hundreds of different 
variations on the "out of office" message.

Can I safely conclude that Mailman is not designed in any way to filter 
these kinds of messages itself?

The Topics area is really designed to identify types of messages to send 
to the subscribers, not to identify bins no one would want to see, right?

Thanks.

--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Clarification on filtering messages going toMailman lists

[John DeCarlo]

Sorry again, I found what I was looking for under Privacy -> Spam 
Filters options, with a hint from the very next message I saw.

John DeCarlo wrote:
Hello,

I can see FAQ 4.15 on using procmail to filter email before Mailman gets 
it.  I have seen discussions in the archives about using other spam 
software to filter, as well as a "wish list" request to have Mailman 
itself handle "out of office" replies.  Also a long thread about idiotic 
software and users and needing to look for hundreds of different 
variations on the "out of office" message.

Can I safely conclude that Mailman is not designed in any way to filter 
these kinds of messages itself?

The Topics area is really designed to identify types of messages to send 
to the subscribers, not to identify bins no one would want to see, right?

Thanks.


--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to remove references to the web interface on emails?

[John DeCarlo]

John,

I am doing something very similar.  So far I have just gone into the 
templates/en directory and edited a lot of the text files to remove 
references to web URLs.

Specifically, I edited:

postack.txt
postauth.txt
postheld.txt
suscribeack.txt
unsub.txt
unsubauth.txt

The trickiest issue I have come across is having the moderator approve 
messages via email.  Mailman 2.1 sends the email with two attachements - 
the original email to approve and the email to respond to.  Some people 
are having problems getting to the email to respond to in a useful way. 
 So it is cut and paste of Subject: and To: lines.

Hopefully we can gather enough info on this to start an FAQ entry.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am running Mailman behind a firewall. It works GREAT!. Is there a way to 
remove references to the  web interface on emails so I am not pointing 
people to a machine they can not get to? We would like to use the web 
interface internally and for now that is the only option.

-John


--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] a basic question

[John Buttery]

* Ricardo Hempel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-16 20:11:25 +0100]:

  Hey, your clock is a year slow.  :) 

  By the way, I just sent this message (this is the second sending of
it) and got it bounced by the list because "The content type was not
specifically allowed"...I suppose it has something to do with the
PGP/MIME.  This is just an FYI in case it's an unintended side-effect;
if the list admins consider it correct behaviour then I can disable the
signature when posting (although I consider it a step backwards :). 

  By the way, this message is not officially from me.  :)

-- 
----
 John Buttery
 (Web page temporarily unavailable)


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problems with content filtering

[John Buttery]

* David Gibbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-19 09:18:57 -0600]:
> HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = 'export LYNX_TEMP_SPACE=/tmp &&
> /usr/bin/lynx -force_html -dump %(filename)s'

  Well, this is just a bit of streamlining and won't make it behave any
differently, but you might use:

HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = 'LYNX_TEMP_SPACE=/tmp /usr/bin/lynx
-force_html -dump %(filename)s'

  That way you set the variable and run lynx all in one command, and
save yourself an invocation of /bin/sh.  :)  In a small installation
like mine that means about squat, but if you're one of the ones that
processes eleventy zillion emails per hour it might make a performance
difference (especially if /bin/sh is actually bash in disguise...).

  P.S. - Still having my PGP/MIME messages bounced due to Content-Type:
headers...I'll shut up as soon as someone tells me whether it's expected
behaviour or not... :) 

-- 
----
 John Buttery
 (Web page temporarily unavailable)


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Membership list display in 2.1

[John Swartzentruber]

In 2.0, the entire membership list was displayed. In 2.1, it looks like
it will only show the list for each letter of the alphabet. For
example, my one list has 42 members and it is difficult to see more
than one or two members at a time now.

I looked at Defaults.py and saw DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE, which
seems to be the value that I would want to change. I added this line to
my mm_cfg.py file:

DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 70

but it doesn't seem to make any difference. I restarted by mailman and
httpd, to no effect. Is there any way to view all of these members at
the same time again? Am I using the right option, but failing to
restart something to have it take affect? Other changes to mm_cfg.py
seemed to happen as soon as I reloaded the page or logged in again.




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Membership list display in 2.1

[John Swartzentruber]

On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:14:12 -0500, John Swartzentruber wrote:

>I looked at Defaults.py and saw DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE, which
>seems to be the value that I would want to change. I added this line to
>my mm_cfg.py file:
>
>DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 70
>
>but it doesn't seem to make any difference.

Sorry to answer my own post, but I found the answer. I thought the
problem came with 2.1, so I didn't search the older archives. I fixed
it by setting admin_member_chunksize using config_list (withlist
intimidated me).




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] finding list members

[John DeCarlo]

Eric,

At least in version 2.1, there is a 'find_members' executable in the 
Mailman bin directory.  It is designed exactly to do what you want - 
find what lists a user is on.

Eric Luhrs wrote:
My organization uses Mailman to manage approximately 40 mailing lists, with
up to 1000 members each.  Occasionally I receive email from a user who is
getting duplicate messages which have been sent to multiple lists.  Is
there a unix-based command that will tell me which lists contain a given
email address?  I know I can dump addresses from a list, but this isn't
efficient since we have so many of them.  I'd rather search all of the
lists for the needed patern.  Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.


--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman feature request

[John Buttery]

* "Richard B. Pyne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-22 22:52:49 -0700]:
> 2) Now that mailman keeps a name along with the email address
> (YEA!), It needs to (at least optionally) display the name with
> the email address in the member list.

  Yeah, that would be nifty.

> Annother nice, but I am sure very difficult feature, would be a way to
> include the subscribed email address in the outgoin email.

  Doesn't 2.1 already do this with the personalization?  Every email I
get from this list has this at the bottom:

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  (among other text)

-- 
----
 John Buttery
 (Web page temporarily unavailable)


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Admin errors

[John Crutcher]

I am getting errors from my cron tab everyday when it checks my database.
Also I can not use administrator pending functions. I ran check_db and
everythings OK, also the list group is still passing traffic.

Any Suggestions?

Here is a copy of the error log:
--
admin(57778): [- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -]
admin(57778): [- Traceback --]
admin(57778): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(57778):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(57778): main()
admin(57778):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 115, in
main
admin(57778): PrintRequests(mlist, doc)
admin(57778):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 131, in
PrintRequests
admin(57778): if not mlist.NumRequestsPending():
admin(57778):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in
NumRequestsPending
admin(57778): self.__opendb()
admin(57778):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in
__opendb
admin(57778): self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
admin(57778): EOFError: EOF read where object expected
---

John Crutcher
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1

[John DeCarlo]

David,

This will get your cron jobs reset.

Remember, they are running as user 'mailman'.

as root or mailman user, run:

crontab -u mailman -r
crontab -u mailman mailman_dir/cron/crontab.in

The first command will remove all the mailman cron jobs.
The second will put in just the 2.1 cron jobs.

Note that your "mailman_dir" may be /var/local/mailman (or something 
else), instead of the default source install of /usr/local/mailman.

Parker, David K wrote:
I'm getting errors generated after upgrading from 2.0x to 2.1. I think its
related to Cfron jobs being scheduled to run. Both installs of Mailman were
done via RPM. I'm guessing that the latest RPM didn't take care of the Cron
jobs? Any hints on cleaning this up? I've been through the UPGRADE doc.


--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working

[John Swartzentruber]

On 27 Jan 2003 09:43:39 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:

>What version of Mailman are you running?  If version 2.1 then you can
>run ~mailman/bin/genaliases and that will create ~mailman/data/aliases
>which contains all the aliases needed for your existing Mailman lists
>(creation of new lists will also be automagically added).

I'm confused by this. When I run bin/genaliases, it shows all of the
aliases (which I can redirect to a file), but it doesn't automatically
create or update any files in /usr/local/mailman/data/

My system is working fine (I currently just added the aliases to
sendmail's /etc/aliases file), but I'm wondering if something is wrong
or if I am just misunderstanding something. I have RedHat 7.3,
Sendmail, and Mailman 2.1 installed from source.

Also a previous message mentioned that this information was in the
INSTALL file, but I didn't see anything there.



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations

[John Locke]

Hello,

I've been using Mailman for a while now for a single, low-traffic,
low-membership list. I'm now launching a service that's going to use
mailman for quite a few more low-traffic, low-membership lists, and I'm
trying to set up some customizations for the membership and
administrative interfaces. This is going to be fairly tightly integrated
with a web site that uses a MySQL database to store a bunch of
membership information. So now I've done a bit of digging, and figured
out how to modify the templates and mailing list defaults, but there's 
a couple of things I'm still trying to figure out:

1. I've seen some references to a way of managing users in a SQL
database. Is this implemented yet? I haven't been able to find anything
explaining how to go about doing it. Since my users are already going to
have an entry in a SQL database, I thought it would be great to combine
the site password for a user with the mailman password, and make the
whole thing less confusing.

2. I can't figure out how to get default text that uses a variable into
the list at creation time. I'd like the description to have a specific
short sentence that includes the %(real_name)s variable, but I don't
know much about Python, and it doesn't seem to work. Can I put this
variable in the description text, and have it expand correctly?


I have a few other ideas for web sites that might use different default
configurations of Mailman. So here's a few questions related to this: 

3. Can you customize default information/templates for a single virtual
domain? It appears that changing the Mailman/templates/* affects the
entire site. Is there a way to have different default templates, based
on the virtual host? Probably simpler--what Python syntax would I use to
add custom default variables to the mm_cfg.py file, and where would I
start to dig to find where the templates are loaded, so I could hack in
some conditional path changes?

4. I'm confused about the ADMIN_CATEGORIES variable. I redefined it in
mm_cfg.py (to remove some of the categories for list admins--I'm trying
to make this whole thing very simple for my users), and it changed the
menu site-wide. I'm thinking, if I knew the basic conditional construct
for Python, I could just redefine it for specific domains. Is there any
function set up to do this already, or something else I should consider
before doing so?

Guess I'm answering some of my own questions here. I know nothing about
Python--maybe I'll go read up on it a bit first. But if somebody could
give me an answer for #1, I'd appreciate it, and if there's any short
cuts I should look at for the others, it'd be great!

I do have virtual domains working just fine, otherwise...

Thanks,
John Locke
http://www.freelock.com
Just launched: http://teamcheckin.com






--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations

[John Locke]

Nothing but silence... Let me simplify & rephrase my questions:

1. Is there any support for storing member information in a SQL
database, with MM 2.1?


2. Is there any way to customize lists on a per-virtual-domain basis?
Something as simple as having a different mm_cfg.py, and a different
templates/ directory for each domain would be what I'm looking for--but
can't quite get it to work. 


Thanks,
-- 
John Locke
http://freelock.com
Just launched: http://teamcheckin.com



On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:47, John Locke wrote:

> 1. I've seen some references to a way of managing users in a SQL
> database. Is this implemented yet? I haven't been able to find anything
> explaining how to go about doing it. Since my users are already going to
> have an entry in a SQL database, I thought it would be great to combine
> the site password for a user with the mailman password, and make the
> whole thing less confusing.
> 

> 
> I have a few other ideas for web sites that might use different default
> configurations of Mailman. So here's a few questions related to this: 
> 
> 3. Can you customize default information/templates for a single virtual
> domain? It appears that changing the Mailman/templates/* affects the
> entire site. Is there a way to have different default templates, based
> on the virtual host? Probably simpler--what Python syntax would I use to
> add custom default variables to the mm_cfg.py file, and where would I
> start to dig to find where the templates are loaded, so I could hack in
> some conditional path changes?
> 




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations

[John Locke]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 00:40, Simon White wrote:
> 03-Feb-03 at 20:00, John Locke ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> > 
> > 1. Is there any support for storing member information in a SQL
> > database, with MM 2.1?
> > 
> 
> I do this via synchronisation. A script that calls
> add_member/remove_member called from the code that does the
> INSERT/DELETE query in SQL. It's not particularly robust but it works.
> 
Yes, this is what I was thinking I would have to do. I had just found
some references to a SQL "member adapter" for Mailman, during a web
search, but was unable to find anything about implementing it.

The biggest issue is that my web server is separate from my mail server
(both are running MySQL, but for reliability, I'm having the web site
hosted). So I'm gonna have to develop some sort of replication
/synchronization scheme to handle connection outages...


> > 2. Is there any way to customize lists on a per-virtual-domain basis?
> > Something as simple as having a different mm_cfg.py, and a different
> > templates/ directory for each domain would be what I'm looking for--but
> > can't quite get it to work. 
> 
> I don't know if this is fully possible, but I know each list can have
> it's own language preference so I guess there are other parameters each
> list can have uniquely.

So far I've been able to set per-list configurations, using config_list
after the list is created. I found if I create an "en/" directory inside
the directory for the list, any templates I put in there are used before
the ones in the main template directory. But this doesn't help for the
initial list-creation email sent to the list admin (because the list
isn't created beforehand), or for the ADMIN_CATEGORIES variable (because
it seems to be site-wide).

Any other ideas?

Thanks,
-- 
John Locke
http://freelock.com
Just launched: http://teamcheckin.com



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Modifying the results of the "who" email command.

[John DeCarlo]

Hello,

The current results of sending the "who" command via email is a list of 
all the members of the list, divided into Digest and Non-digest.

However, I would like to break out the members who are disabled 
separately from those receiving mail.

If anyone has looked at doing this or something similar, I would 
appreciate any pointers.  So far I haven't even found the script that 
responds to the "who" command.

Thanks.

--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations

[John Locke]

On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 09:25, Todd wrote:

> I haven't seen anyone announce a MySQLMemberAdaptor yet either, but
> Martin
> Whinnery made an announcement here a few weeks ago for an
> LDAPMemberAdaptor.
> If you know some python, perhaps you want to look at the LDAP version
> and
> try and convert it for use with MySQL. You'd surely make a lot of
> friends if
> you did it. :)
> 
> The URL for the LDAPMemberAdaptor is
> http://webserver.offal.homelinux.org
> 
> You might also want to look at ~mailman/Mailman/MemberAdaptor.py if
> you're
> thinking of attempting this.

Thanks for the note. I don't know any Python, but maybe I'll take a
whack at it if I find the time...

> 
> You might already know this, but here's what the very helpful comments in
> Mailman.Utils.maketext say:
> 
> # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
> # that are searched, in this order:
> #
> # 1. the list-specific language directory
> #lists//
> #
> # 2. the domain-specific language directory
> #templates//
> #
> # 3. the site-wide language directory
> #templates/site/
> #
> # 4. the global default language directory
> #templates/
> #
> # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can
> # specialize
> # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
> # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never modify
> # files in the templates/ subdirectory, since Mailman will
> # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
> # language directories are for.
> 
> Perhaps the second option is what you're looking for?

Ah, that solves half of my problem! Thanks a lot. No, I hadn't found
this text, anywhere.

Any suggestions for the last part--having different default options for
different domains in mm_cfg.py? It would be great if I could just have a
different mm_cfg.py for each domain. Alternatively, is there code I
could put into mm_cfg.py that would recognize what domain we're in, and
set different defaults accordingly?

Thanks,
John


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security.

[John Buttery]

* dino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-05 10:32:16 -]:
> I was just wondering what kind of security mailman offers, as far as
> protecting user passwords goes?

  Pretty much none.  It emails them cleartext once a month, for
starters.  The list signup page explicitly instructs subscribers not to
use important passwords (even in bold!).  The intent of the password
system in Mailman (this is my interpretation, not backed up with any
actual information) is to protect against malicious [un]subscriptions of
others by casual idiots on the Net, not against determined attackers.

> A techy friend of mine has just kindly emailed me a list of all users
> and their passwords! Looking at my server logs it would appear that he
> snuck in somehow via anonymous ftp.

  Then you have an incorrectly installed/configured/patched ftp server
problem, not a mailman problem.  :)

> Would closing the anon. ftp service stop mailman working in anyway, or
> dya reckon he got in some place else?

  I don't see why stopping an ftpd would affect mailman... 

-- 
----
 John Buttery
 (Web page temporarily unavailable)


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Python upgrade problems - Mailman 2.0.13

[John Masterson]

System: Redhat 7.2, Mailman 2.0.13, webservers (for web-interface) and
Postfix mailserver (for crons/processing) nfs-mounting Mailman
installation.

After upgrading Python 1.5 (as per RHSA), public web-subscription to
mailman lists no longer worked ("We've hit a bug!" -> ImportError:
cannot import name Pending). So we installed Python2 on the webservers
and forced Mailman to use it. Seemed to work for a few hours, and then
it appeared that no lists are processing messages. The error generated
every few seconds (a few dozen lists some with 10k+ members) was as
follows:

Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): Traceback (innermost last):
Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 283, in ?
Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): kids = main(lock)
Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 253, in main
Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist,
msg, msgdata)
Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 121, in dispose_message
Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist,
mimemsg):
Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File
"/www/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 58, in ScanMessages
Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): func = getattr(getattr(getattr(mod,
'Bouncers'), modname), 'process')
Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): AttributeError : process


My first thought was to try upgrading python on the mailserver which
does the processing:

rpm -ivh --nodeps python2-2.1.1-2.72.i386.rpm
cd /usr/bin/
rm -f python;ln -s python2 python


This created new errors in the Mailman logs:

Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): Traceback (most recent call last):
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):   File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 283, in ?
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):  kids = main(lock)
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):   File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 253, in main
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):  keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):   File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 121, in dispose_message
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):  if
BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):   File
"/www/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 57, in ScanMessages
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):  mod =
__import__('Mailman.Bouncers.'+modname)
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):   File
"/www/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py", line 34, in ?
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):  import regsub
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):   File
"/usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py", line 20, in ?
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539):  import regex
Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): ImportError :  No module named
regex 

Decided to downgrade, so then I simply did a:

 cd /usr/bin
 rm -f python; ln -s python1.5 python


The errors immediately stopped being generated, and the contents of the
qfiles directory dropped from 400+ files to 60 files in about 5 minutes.

I guess at this point I am nervous that this will come back to haunt me,
perhaps again in a few hours. Any insight or archived messages I failed
to locate would be appreciated.



John Masterson
Modwest
Powerful, Affordable Web Hosting
http://www.modwest.com 


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stat's

[John Locke]

Hello, Simon,

I've got other stuff going on right now, but I saved your message with
your scripts, and plan to evaluate them/convert them for PHP/MySQL when
I get a chance. (probably not this week!)

On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 01:31, Simon White wrote:
> 07-Feb-03 at 02:10, Jon Carnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> > Dang it!  I've got another script that does exactly that... I should have
> > included it.  I'll dump it on the list when I get done with this job
> > (sometime - hopefully - tomorrow).  It's a fairly simple script that I run
> > monthly - only it uses the log entries and isolates the entries that
> > indicate a user has been moved over to no-mail due to excessive bounces.
> 
> I look forward to it. That would solve my problem of re-synching back to
> the MSSQL database to eliminate those people who have been
> auto-unsubscribed. Chrs!
> 
> I didn't hear from anyone that my scripts I posted might be useful, so
> if they are to anyone, let me know, and I will post back the other half
> of the script to synchronise back to the SQL server (although it appears
> this may become redundant when SQL plugins for Mailman exist).
> 
Yes, I'd like to see the rest of your scripts... I have ideas on how to
do this, but a few other things that need to get done first.

I'll post back to the list PHP/MySQL versions of your scripts, if they
seem relevant to my needs (to synchronize mailman users/passwords with
my site users).

Cheers,
-- 
John Locke
Owner, Freelock, LLC
http://freelock.com
Just launched: http://teamcheckin.com


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] backing up mailman lists on commercial servers

[John Hughes]

I rent space on a commercial Web site that uses cpanel for site management. 

Mailman comes installed and ready to use.

Question: In an arrangement like this, where I do not have direct access to
installation and related files, how do I back up my mailing list addresses and
archive?

The mailman FAQ suggests a shell script but I'm unfamiliar with how I would
determine the required paths. Also, I would only want to back up my lists.

Any help would be appreciated.

TIA

John Hughes

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Keeping subscription info in sync acrossservers

[John Locke]

On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 08:53, Morgan Jones wrote:

> Attempting to keep mailman's backend text files synced between servers
> is sure to prove tricky..  I don't believe mailman has any built-in
> redundancy.
> 

I don't think it's all that tricky, especially for 1 way.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 04:41:32PM +, Ian Chilton wrote:
> | 
> | I was wondering if there was an easy way to keep subscription info in
> | sync across multiple list servers.
> | 
> | What I want to do is setup a backup list server which will still
> | deliver list mail if the main box is down. So, I only need a single way
> | replication, i.e all changes are made on the main server and the 2nd
> | server just has to stay in sync.
> | 
> | I was thinking an easy way to do this would be to have a function in
> | mailman which made it automatically sent an e-mail or made a socket
> | connection to the other server when any options or subscriptions were
> | changed.
> | 

I'm sure you could dig around in Mailman to find a place to hook some
sort of trigger for a script, and the people on Mailman-Developers can
certainly help you find it.

Much easier is to write a simple script that runs from cron. Could be as
simple as:

#!/bin/bash
/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members listname | mail -s "listname update"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Then, on the other server, set up an email address that dumps the
message to another script. This script (in the language of your choice)
should parse the message to make sure it comes from the other server
(don't want people from anywhere else screwing with your membership
list!), extracts the body of the message, and pipes it to
/usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members listname (or wherever your
environment is).

You can also set up a web service to do basically the same thing, though
the email route might be a little more reliable (because MTAs usually
manage to deliver the message, even if the connection is out for a
while.) If you're looking for a chance to learn about web services, it
would be a great sample project.

Lots of ways to make this more sophisticated, if you need to keep track
of who's on digest, etc.

Hope that helps...

Cheers
-- 
John Locke
Owner, Freelock, LLC
http://freelock.com
Just launched: http://teamcheckin.com


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Removing "To post to this list . . ." from confirmation e-mail

[John Hughes]

I'm trying to set up Mailman to use as a vehicle for distributing a newsletter.
I don't want anyone to think they can post messages to the list address.

I have figured out how to modify the HTML for the public list pages. How do I
remove the "To post to this list, send your email to..." from the registration
confirmation e-mail?



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] How to change list to "unmoderated"

[John Davenport]

I have just become administrator for the maillist [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
hosted by pair.com.
Presently this list is set to be moderated (all messages come to me with 
request to post, discard, etc). How to I change the configuration so the 
list is unmoderated (all messages automatically posted)? On the membership 
management page I see no flag to make a change.

thanks,
john davenport



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Help Template

[John DeCarlo]

Jeremy,

If you want to better understand the available commands by email, and 
can look at the Python and understand it, here is what I have figured 
out so far.  Note that some of it may be wrong. :-)

I started because I want the "who" command to return a section of people 
unsubscribed because of bounces.  So far I have not succeeded.

Start in the Mailman subdirectory, usually written something like 
~mailman/Mailman.

If you look in Utils.py, you will see ADMINDATA defined that lists all 
the commands available by mail.  I would think that making changes here 
would allow you to add or delete commands, assuming you can figure out 
the rest.

If you look at MailList.py, it seems to be playing a role, though I 
haven't figured it out, exactly.

Then go into the subdirectory Commands (~mailman/Mailman/Commands). 
Here you will see the Python source for each of the defined commands, of 
the format 'cmd_command.py'.  So the who command is in cmd_who.py.

I can verify that changing cmd_who.py changes how Mailman responds to 
the who command via email.  I have it closer to what I want, but not 
completely there.

Note that I believe you need to restart mailmanctl after making changes 
so that Mailman takes note.

Hope this helps.

Jeremy Butler wrote:
I recently installed Mailman 2.1.1 and I'm interested in changing a few 
things in the help template--that is, the message sent to users when 
they send the help command (see below).

What's got me confused is the section where the actual commands are listed:

%(commands)s

Obviously, this is a variable.  Can it be customized somehow?


--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation problem

[John DeCarlo]

Paul,

If you go to the Membership List section for web admin and go to the 
bottom, you will find:  "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those 
members not currently visible".

Change that to On and click on the Set button.

Your list will now be one where all messages require the moderator's 
approval.  (You could have set it up this way originally.)

Moderators specified under the General Options will get a daily reminder 
to moderate messages.

You can also have them get immediate messages of some sort of request 
(like moderate or subscribe).  This is called:  "Should the list 
moderators get immediate notice of new requests, as well as daily 
notices about collected ones?"

Paul Dekkers wrote:
Hi,

I installed Mailman-2.1.1 and was wondering if it's possible to moderate
all traffic by default for most|all users: I saw the option for
emergency moderation, and in that case all mail is held for moderation,
but it sounds a bit crue.
Besides: I kind of expected mailman would send the list-moderators a
mail that there is mail to be moderated. Especially for low-volume
mailinglists there can be a moderation request for every mail sent for
as far as I'm concerned.



--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Controlling header & footer

[John Tice]

Greetings,

How can one eliminate the extraneous links below the real header and 
above the message in posts? Also, my ISP adds several lines of 
anti-abuse headers. All this makes for amateur-looking, junked up 
posts. I want to clean it up. Is this possible? How does one do it?

Thanks,

John

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] User AKAs?

[John DeCarlo]

Alan,

This works, though it is not exactly what you are asking for.

Set up multiple accounts for each person, with every variation of email 
address you expect to receive.  Then set all but one of them to "nomail".

This allows them to be recognized as members while still only receiving 
one copy of each message.


APBulletins wrote:
Issue is that mail is held for approval for people not recognized as a
member.
But, they are members.
Our damn mailserver changes how it says who the mail is from.
 - One day it's our registered email address as in mailman
 - One day it's our full name, versus an email address
 - etc.

Is there a way to set up AKAs for each user so no matter what our IT group
changes about the mailserver, it sees members properly?


--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Digests for this list

[John DeCarlo]

Warren,

How do you set up digests on the lists you run?

Because the related question is why the Mailman 2.1 defaults are to send 
a digest when it hits a certain size (30 K).

I can't speak for Barry, but in deference to people with slow email 
access, keeping the size of each digest down makes it easier to download 
them.  Though one can argue that there is little difference between one 
90 K digest in a day and 3 30 K digests in a day.

Thanks for your message, since I hadn't noticed I was sending out 
multiple digests every day, too.  So I went and changed the maximum size 
to 500 K, and checked to send a digest out every day whether you hit the 
size or not.

Warren Hoffman wrote:
Just out of curiosity, I get several digests a day from this list. The 
'norm' for digests (elsewhere) is to send digests daily (unless size is 
extraordinary). If that isn't fast enough, users can select regular 
delivery or regularly review the archives for responses to their 
messages. Was sending daily considered? Rejected? Worth reconsidering?

--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman and Postfix *2*?

[John Redmond]

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:38:50 -0500 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 5, Issue 78

From: Jeremy Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:35:07 -0600

 Wrote as follows... 

> As a sendmail newbie, I was having too much trouble implementing Mailman's 
> aliasing system and so--at Keith Mastin's suggestion--I shifted over to 
> Postfix.  I'm happy to say that that works like a charm!  Thanks very much.
> 
> But it does bring up a new question:
> 
> Does Mailman work well with the recently released (20030112), version *2* 
> of Postfix?
> 
> The version I used this week is version 1, which came pre-installed on my 
> RedHat 8 system.  (Indeed, one can switch in RH8 from sendmail to Postfix 
> via a GUI!)  But I'm wondering if I should upgrade to Postfix 2 before I 
> get much further into the configuration of Mailman and version 1 of Postfix.
> 
> Thanks for the advice.
> 
> 

I installed 2.1 with Postfix 2.0.3 and all appears well. Mind you this is based on 
simple testing with low traffic, as I'm just getting ready to  test with for actual 
users!  

John 



John Redmond
London, Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-- 
___
http://www.operamail.com
Now with OperaMail Premium for only US$29.99/yr

Powered by Outblaze

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Forgot Password

[John Edson]

Hello,

I have a user who is setup as a mailman-2.0.6 admin but has forgot his 
password.
How can I change the password for him?

Thanks...

John

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting requirements

[John DeCarlo]

Hello,

I know this is one of those questions where the real answer is "it 
depends".  However, I will ask it anyway, in case someone has done 
something similar enough.

I have been running two small lists with Mailman, several hundred users, 
 and average of 2 messages a day per list.  The impact has really been 
minimal on my Linux machine.

Now I have been asked to help with a proposal to set up a server 
dedicated to running Mailman for 50-100 lists.  They would all probably 
have an average of 2-300 users, probably at most 5 messages per day on 
average.

Should I propose a modern machine (Intel-based, 2+ GHz, 512+ MB RAM, 40+ 
 GB storage)?  Or if I suggested a used machine (3-400 MHz, upgrade RAM 
to at least 256 MB, upgrade disk to 40+ GB) at a cost of around $400 or 
less, would that be foolish?

Thanks.

--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] password and confirmation email questions

[John DeCarlo]

Jeff,

I can't answer 1, except to say that people can unsubscribe even if they 
have forgotten their password, it just takes more confirmation steps.

As for 2, look in ~mailman/templates/en (for English, anyway).  In 
particular, look at subscribeack.txt.  I would look through all of them 
to see what else you want to change, like unsubscribe files.

Note:  If you install an update, like 2.1.1 over 2.1, it will overwrite 
your changes, so save them (I have subscribeack.txt.orig and 
subscribeack.txt.Mine) and check after the upgrade to copy them back over.

Note:  Some things that you change this way require restarting Mailman. 
 I use /etc/init.d/mailman restart.

Jeff Poretsky wrote:
2 hopefully simple questions.

1. (yes i know this opens up security problems)...Is there a way to set
a standard/default password. this would be so our subscribers would not
have to remember their password and we can set a mailto with the
unsubscribe information.
2. Where do i edit the subscription confirmation email? I do not want
anything but "thanks for joining our list" or somesuch
Thanks,

Jeff Poretsky


--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Administration via email

[John DeCarlo]

Mike,

1.  You can certainly approve or reject posts to the list via email.  If 
you set "Should the list moderators get immediate notice of new 
requests,..." to Yes on the general admin page, the moderators will get 
a copy of the pending post, instructions on how to approve or reject the 
post, and the actual message with the right Subject: needed to identify 
the post correctly.

Note:  It can be confusing to get a message that you need to moderate, 
and have the message to reply to as an attachment.  Some mail clients 
have a hard time replying to an attachment, so moderators there will 
have to learn to cut and paste the Subject:, To:, etc.

2.  I haven't tried approving subscriptions via email, but the 
instructions indicate it works in a similar way to moderating.

Mike Simons wrote:
Hi,

  I would like to be able to approve/deny subscriptions and posts to
mailman lists via email.
- How can mailman be told to send the text of any pending message along
  with the notification?


--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Possible Mailman Virus

[John DeCarlo]

Jerry,

Here is the reference from the archives:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15597.html

Directly from the primary developer, Barry Warsaw.

Jerry Plemmons wrote:
People:

I am the administrator of the Society of Broadcast Engineers, Boston chapter, email list.

In a routine McAfee Online Virus scan a file called:  mailman.tar.gz   was identified as being or containing a virus.  It was found in my Mailman directory.   Before I hit the "delete" button, can you confirm that this is a legit file or an invalid file that is not part of the Mailman program and should be purged?
--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Can a public (advertised) list have private archives?

[John Redmond]

   I'm a new user. Not much to add to the subject line on this one. I would like to be 
able to make a list show up on the /mailman/listinfo/ index page, but keep its 
archives viewable only by subscribers. Is this possible? Easy? hard?

Thanks in advance for any help.


John Redmond
London, Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-- 

Powered by Outblaze

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] How does MM 2.1.1 catch bounces? -- too many"Uncaught.."

[John DeCarlo]

Martin,

Have you read through these messages?  Some of the ones I get include 
"out of office" messages or other auto-generated messages that aren't 
really "bounce" messages.  I.e., they don't indicate a problem 
delivering the mail.

My theory is that when I have time I will try and filter out the most 
common ones with procmail or the like.

But you certainly don't want someone's account disabled because of some 
of these messages.

Martin Maechler wrote:
We have upgraded to 2.1.1 about 2 weeks ago.
We have about 20 mailing lists, totalling about 70-100 messages
a day -- although mainly from one 1-3 lists.
I've been getting half a dozen "Uncaught bounce notification"
messages a day, and had been ignoring them more or less --
hoping mailman would somehow do things automagically.
Now that I've read the related info more carefully, I realize
these are just the bounces that mailman is *not* able to deal
with automatically.
I've looked at some and really wondered _why_ mailman couldn't
figure out the E-mail address that bounced when it looked very
obvious to the human eye.
- Hints?
- To whom could I forward examples of these?
--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] How does MM 2.1.1 catch bounces? -- too many"Uncaught.."

[John DeCarlo]

Martin,

I would submit this as a bug and include the messages that you think 
should be caught, especially "user unknown".

This URL tells you how to submit a bug report:

http://mailman.sourceforge.net/bugs.html

--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] load error after install in FreeBSD 5.0

[John Cessor]

Folks
I just tried to install mailman on a FreeBSD 5.0 system and when
attempting to go to the admin page it returns the below error.
Any idea what I did wrong? The url for the machine is
http://www.azng.net/mailman/admin
JohnC

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a
copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
description of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
immediate=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py",
line 52, in __init__
Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49,
in __init__
self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67,
in __get_f
1)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open
file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'




-
---

Python information:
  Variable Value
  sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 3 2003, 07:54:31) [GCC 3.2.1
[FreeBSD] 20021119 (release)]
  sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python
  sys.prefix /usr/local
  sys.exec_prefix /usr/local
  sys.path /usr/local
  sys.platform freebsd5




-
---

Environment variables:
  Variable Value
  PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
  SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.27 (Unix)
  SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
  SERVER_ADMIN  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/admin
  SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.27 Server at asa.azng.net Port
80
  REQUEST_METHOD  GET
  HTTP_HOST  www.azng.net
  SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
  QUERY_STRING
  REQUEST_URI  /mailman/admin
  HTTP_ACCEPT  */*
  HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows
NT 5.1)
  HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
  SERVER_NAME  asa.azng.net
  REMOTE_ADDR  208.187.24.120
  REMOTE_PORT  3141
  HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
  SERVER_ADDR  208.187.24.124
  SERVER_PORT  80
  GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
  HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
  UNIQUE_ID  PnYTAtC7GHwAAAHoA4A
  DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/www/data




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] load error after install in FreeBSD 5.0

[John Cessor]

I did run the check_perms but I will back up a few steps and try
this all again.
Thanks
JohnC

- Original Message -
From: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "John Cessor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Mailman users Mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] load error after install in FreeBSD
5.0


> You have some permission problems. You might need to run the
> ~mailman/bin/check_perms and read the README.BSD that comes
with the
> installation.
>
> Jon Carnes
>
> On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 14:54, John Cessor wrote:
> > Folks
> > I just tried to install mailman on a FreeBSD 5.0 system and
when
> > attempting to go to the admin page it returns the below
error.
> > Any idea what I did wrong? The url for the machine is
> > http://www.azng.net/mailman/admin
> > JohnC
> >
> > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1
> >
> > We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please
email a
> > copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
> > description of what happened. Thanks!
> >
> > Traceback:
> >
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in
run_main
> > immediate=1)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py",
> > line 52, in __init__
> > Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line
49,
> > in __init__
> > self.__get_f()
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line
67,
> > in __get_f
> > 1)
> >   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in
open
> > file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> > '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ---
--
> > ---
> >
> > Python information:
> >   Variable Value
> >   sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 3 2003, 07:54:31) [GCC 3.2.1
> > [FreeBSD] 20021119 (release)]
> >   sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python
> >   sys.prefix /usr/local
> >   sys.exec_prefix /usr/local
> >   sys.path /usr/local
> >   sys.platform freebsd5
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ---
--
> > ---
> >
> > Environment variables:
> >   Variable Value
> >   PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
> >   SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.27 (Unix)
> >   SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
> >   SERVER_ADMIN  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/admin
> >   SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.27 Server at asa.azng.net
Port
> > 80
> >   REQUEST_METHOD  GET
> >   HTTP_HOST  www.azng.net
> >   SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
> >   QUERY_STRING
> >   REQUEST_URI  /mailman/admin
> >   HTTP_ACCEPT  */*
> >   HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0;
Windows
> > NT 5.1)
> >   HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
> >   SERVER_NAME  asa.azng.net
> >   REMOTE_ADDR  208.187.24.120
> >   REMOTE_PORT  3141
> >   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
> >   SERVER_ADDR  208.187.24.124
> >   SERVER_PORT  80
> >   GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
> >   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
> >   UNIQUE_ID  PnYTAtC7GHwAAAHoA4A
> >   DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/www/data
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> >
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr
.com
>
>
>
>



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working

[John Swartzentruber]

On 21 Mar 2003 16:55:25 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:

>On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 16:28, Jon Carnes wrote:
>> ~mailman/bin/genaliases in mentioned in:
>>   NEWS
>>   UPGRADING
>>   README.POSTFIX
>> 
>> Sorry, it looks like the genaliases script is designed specifically to
>> be used with Postfix... Hmmm.  Seems like it could easily be made MTA
>> neutral, and still be able to link with Postfix.
>
>genaliases depends on the MTA variable setting in mm_cfg.py.  If you
>wanted to run Exim with manual aliases, you'd set MTA='Manual'

I'm not sure I can stretch my memory back to January, but I think the
issue was that the genaliases script doesn't create a file with the
aliases in them unless you are using Postfix (presumably with the MTA
variable set to Postfix). I'm running sendmail and the MTA variable is
at the default (i.e., Manual). I think the only way to get a list of
all of the aliases is to capture the output of the genaliases script
and manually remove the extra comment lines ("To finish creating your
mailing list . . .").



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working

[John Swartzentruber]

On 22 Mar 2003 09:44:16 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:

>I've made some updates to genaliases so that Manual should be more
>useful.  You can now give it a -q/--quiet flag to supppress the
>non-alias instructions.  You would run it like this:
>
>% bin/genaliases -q > /etc/aliases-mailman
>% newaliases

Great. Thanks.


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Updating Sendmail aliases

[John Poltorak]

Is there any way to update Sendmail aliases automatically when running 
newlist?

-- 
John



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Reply-to list

[John Poltorak]

How do you set up a default list so that 'Reply-to' gets set to the list 
itself?

-- 
John



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Searchable archives

[John Poltorak]

Is there a recommended way of setting up a search facility for archived 
messages?


-- 
John



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to list

[John Poltorak]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 01:08:06PM +0100, Pascal Dreissen wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> In the Administration Interface:
> 
> General Options - Where are replies to list messages directed?

Is there a way to set it as the default so that new list will be created 
with this setting?

Also, is there a command line way to do it? ie. where is the value 
actually held?

 
> Greetz!
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Poltorak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:00 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to list
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > How do you set up a default list so that 'Reply-to' gets set to the list
> > itself?
> >
> > --
> > John


-- 
John




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting services

[John DeCarlo]

Hello,

This is probably mostly off-topic, so any commercial replies should 
probably go directly to me.

I have been asked to support multiple school PTAs, each with one to 
three mail lists.

Initially, I have started putting together a proposal for setting up a 
computer in a central location that has someone around to reboot it, etc.

However, I would also like to start costing out an option to simply pay 
a web and Mailman hosting service to host all the lists, register the 
domain, etc.  That way there are professionals dedicated to keeping 
Mailman running and it wouldn't all depend on me.

If anyone has good experience with a service and can give me a 
recommendation, I would very much appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Why qrunner?

[John Poltorak]

Why do I need to run qrunner?

Isn't there any mechanism to send msgs out as soon as they are ready?

I've used Majordomo for a number of years and that sends mail out through 
sendmail immediately after is as been processed. I don't understand why it 
needs to be queued by Mailman... Or is there any optional setting?


-- 
John



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Before Upgrading from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1

[John DeCarlo]

Tom,

I upgraded from 2.1b6 to 2.1, then later from 2.1 to 2.1.1.  Right on my 
production server! (small system, few lists).

The only "problem" I encountered was my own making.  I had changed some 
of the default messages right in place and they were overwritten. 
Luckily I always make copies (.John and .orig), so I just copied them back.

Of course, you want to do everything the same way you did it before, so 
it helps to refer to the notes taken during the first install. 
Especially the ./configure step.  I almost made a mistake by forgetting 
the --with-mail-gid parameter, but my notes saved me.

In summary, if you didn't customize by hand-editing files, and you 
documented special steps in running the actual install, it is trivial.

Tom Hanna wrote:

2. In the operational setting, is the upgrade install from 2.1b6 POSTFIX 
to 2.1.1 POSTFIX trivial?  Or non-trivial? Please explain. (Don't want 
to overload my most valuable colleague! ;)
--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..

[Sullivan, John]

Hi all - I have been asked to setup a server for mailing out a daily
newsletter to about 50k addresses. I have setup a redhat linux 8.0 server
and have installed Apache and Mailman. I am somewhat familiar with
configuring apache but I am not familiar with MailMan nor can I find any
decent Newbie guides to get it up and running. 

 

1.  How do I get to the Web Interface? - Mailman is installed in
/var/mailman - Is it all done through a Web interface or is there any
application to run on the local server? If so how do I start the application
up?
2.  Can anyone point me to some decent newbie guides on how to make this
work? 
3.  If you feel like it and it would be appreciated if anyone wants to
outline the steps I need to take in order to get it working initially? 
4.  Does Mailman need a MYSQL DB to hold the lists addresses or does it
have it's own DB that it stores that info in? If so How can import the
current address I have into that DB? 

 

Thanks for your help. 

 

John Sullivan 

 

 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..

[Sullivan, John]

Thanks for your info George.. 

A few more questions. 

1. I installed the MailMan package during the Red Hat Server installation.
It look like it installed MAILMAN in /var/mailman/ 

It seems to have done a few of the steps for me - create a mailman user and
Mailman group. 

It moved some of the jpgs into my apache install - 

The apache installed a little different then I am use to and being a newbie
it has confused the hell out of me. 

In /var I have a www folder - and in /etc/ I have what looks like all of the
configuration files. 

I am assuming I need to edit the httpd.conf as I don't think the redhat
install took it that far. 

What should my httpd.conf file look like considering the information above
as to where my installs are. 

2. Also not sure if this a related issue but http server gui that comes with
RedHat freezes up on me everytime I try to edit the properties - any ideas?

Thanks for your help..

john



-Original Message-
From: George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:12 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..

John,

I just set up Mailman on RH 8 -- not an expert, but I can help.  One
important consideration you need to make up front.  The latest, stable
Mailman release is 2.1.1 which requires Python 2.2.2, both not in the
RH 8 release.  2.1.1 has enough changes in it that I decided to make
the update. Here are the keys to complete the installation.

1)  Download the new releases and install them.  I think Mailman had a
RPM available and Python was a GZip .tar.  Installation was
straightforward for both.

2) The mailman install directory had excellent READMEs.  Look at
README, INSTALL, README.LINUX, and README.SENDMAIL  Print out the
INSTALL one and use it as your template.

a)  Conifguring Apache is easy.  Just move the file Httpd-Mailman.conf
from the /etc/httpd/conf directory into the /etc/httpd/conf.d
directory.  Any .conf files in this directory are included in the
apache configuration. Edit the files correspondingly.

b)  We didn't have to make any configuration changes with Sendmail,
but you will have to set up a boatload of aliases.  When you run
Newlist process it will tell you what aliases to include.

c)  Watch you directory permission settings and what groups your
applications run as.  The docs will send you in the right direction,
if you need more help, ask back on this board. In my case, Sendmail
ran as the mail user/group and Apache ran as the apache user/group.
In the configuration I set the --with-mail-gid and the --with-cgi-gid

d)  The most lacking part of the READMEs is the value of the
mailmanctl script.  The readme's still reference cron jobs.  I set
them up, but with 2.1.1 the majority of the cron work is done by
mailmanctl, a continually running daemon and its python sub-processes.
 In my case, my qfiles were backing up and I was getting no
responses from Mailman.  This was fixed when I ran the mailmanctl
script.  See the recent emails titled "Mailman Newbie having set up
problems"

f) Finally, you may want to set up Mailman to run at boot up.  I don't
remember if RH already had a script in init.d or if it came in the
install.  But I did have to add this into the boot sequence.

If this isn't good enough, keep writing the list, and we will try to
help you with individual parts.

Peace,
George Halley


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

RE: Re[2]: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..

[Sullivan, John]

Thanks.. I am actually brand new... never even touched anything Linux
before. I come from a Networking Background (mostly MS, Cisco and firewalls)
and in the past I have had to setup network configs to work with Sun Servers
running apache sometimes dibbling in the Sun's config files. But that is
pretty much the extent of it. So I appreciate your help, it's comforting to
know that there are people out there willing to lend a hand to a needy
network guy. 

OK. So my big problem that took me all day was the silly little move of the
mailman config file to the conf.d directory - thanks.. 

Now I can access the pages over the network and feel like I'm making some
headway. 

1. Is the administration done entirely through the Web Admin? How do access
and configure MailMan options? 

2. How do I change the @localhost.localdomain convention to specify the
domain I want?

3.I do not want anyone to send email to this box - I just want it to be able
to send out daily newsletters. I want the reply address to be a user on my
Exchange Server --my corp mail server-- who can receive replies in his
Outlook Inbox. 

4. That being the case (#3) do I need to setup external DNS with MX records
for this server?

Thanks for your help... 





-Original Message-
From: ghhalley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:45 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re[2]: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..

John,

Comments are in-line with your questions.  BTW How Newbie are you with
Linux?  Its hard to tell from your EMails -- Sounds like you are brand
new to RH8, but do you have experience with other releases?  I will
modify my explanations depending on your knowledge.  For example, I've
played around on RH 6.2 box for two years as a part time job.

> Thanks for your info George..

> A few more questions.

> 1. I installed the MailMan package during the Red Hat Server installation.
> It look like it installed MAILMAN in /var/mailman/

 Good -- That is what I did, too.

> It seems to have done a few of the steps for me - create a mailman user
and
> Mailman group.

Good -- and you should have a mail user and group for Sendmail and
a Apache user and group for Apace.  All three users are needed for
Mailman to run properly.  Three users are run to increase the
system security.

> It moved some of the jpgs into my apache install -

I never had to do that.  Evidentially, they were already there.
(I hate having to move simple icons -- so I skipped it!)

> The apache installed a little different then I am use to and being a
newbie
> it has confused the hell out of me.

Have you configured Apache before?  If not, there are a bunch of
questions to resolve about how you do your webserver.  We may be
able to do those questions over the phone.

If you have configured Apace before, I was also surprised by Apache 2.
I had time to learn it though as I was migrating the websites from
my RH 6.2 box.  Overall, the configuration files are simpler.  The
RH 8 install placed all of the Mailman config files in the file
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd-mailman.conf file.  All you have to do for
the setup, is move this file into /etc/httpd/conf.d/ directory.

Oops, I did uncomment the one line which is suggested in the file.

> In /var I have a www folder - and in /etc/ I have what looks like all of
the
> configuration files.

Correct.  I didn't dwell into the /var/www folder, but it is where
you can find the apache documentation and where RH expects you to
put CGIs and websites.

> I am assuming I need to edit the httpd.conf as I don't think the redhat
> install took it that far.

 The RH install provides the default configuration.  Works pretty
 well, but typically gets modified as you build web sites.

> What should my httpd.conf file look like considering the information above
> as to where my installs are.

 This is non-mailman specific.  So let's take it off the list and
 talk about this.

> 2. Also not sure if this a related issue but http server gui that comes
with
> RedHat freezes up on me everytime I try to edit the properties - any
ideas?

 Are you configuring from a desktop GUI?  I don't have experience
 with this.

 Questions like this are more appropriate for the Red Hat 8
 mailing list.  I am also a member of this.  The mailing address
 for this list is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I signed up for it
 somewhere on the Red Hat website.

> Thanks for your help..

     Keep passing questions, I'll answer as I am available.  For once,
 I can help someone!!  Yeah!

> john


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.p