[Mailman-Users] Moving servers
I remember seeing once a post for how to move all archive files from one server to another, and now that I need to do such a thing, I can't find the documents. If I create a list on the new server, add all the normal users and set all the options, then move the .mbox file to the appropriate place (to overwrite the newly created archive), will all work itself out? Or was there more to it than that? Thanks for any help. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] replace text throughout archives
What is the easiest way to replace words in the archives? I have to replace a company name on someone's signature, so that his personal views won't have any reflection on the company. I only know of sed s/original/replacement/g file > newfile that will do such things... but i really need to know which files to do? as there are a slew of html files in each monthes directory... but a single text file in the lists main directory for each month... also.. would any of the crons need to be forced to run early? would anything else change? as i do not really want to destroy the archive.. any help would be appreciated. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Mailman with Zope at 80 port?
Hello All How install Mailman if Zope at the 80 port is a single web-server at the linux box? Can the Zope instance be used (how?) or another web-server is mandatory? If another http-server is installed at the port other than 80 wouldn't it cause problems? THX in advance. Best regards, Alexander N. Chelnokov Ural Scientific Institute of Traumatology and Orthopaedics 7, Bankovsky str. Ekaterinburg 620014 Russia -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] BIG trouble: mailman does not work with postfix+maildrop+mysql
Hello mailman experts, I am comming here because i have problems makeing mailman working with postfix+maildrop (used as local delivery agent) and mysql as bakend. First i want to mention on our mailserver everything is virtualized and postfix is working like a charm with mysql and maildrop for our virtualized domains. I am using RHEL4 + postfix-2.1.5-4.2.RHEL4 Yesterday, i tried to add mailman (mailman-2.1.5-33.rhel4) to above comination (i want to setup some inernal mailing lists) but all the time when somebody wants to subscribe via email, i get the following error in /var/log/maillog file: Jul 31 10:15:29 lists postfix/pickup[12500]: 341DD48D0D: uid=12346 from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jul 31 10:15:29 lists postfix/cleanup[12551]: 341DD48D0D: message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jul 31 10:15:29 lists postfix/qmgr[12501]: 341DD48D0D: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=429, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 31 10:15:29 lists maildrop[12561]: Invalid user specified or account temporary disabled. Jul 31 10:15:29 lists postfix/pipe[12560]: 341DD48D0D: to=<|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, orig_to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=maildrop, delay=0, status=bounced (user unknown. Command output: maildrop: Invalid user specified. ) so, it looks like maildrop is tring to deliver email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to one inexistent mailbox named: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post [EMAIL PROTECTED]" and is not makeing the correct redirection, redirecting incomming message to /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman PIPE Practically, sintax above is interpreted like a string and not like a command! Subscriptions via WEB are ok, but nobody can send email to other members ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) due to reason above! Message is bounced and returned to sender! Here comes relevant parts of: postfix main.cf ### Alias specific settings ### alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps virtual_alias_maps = mysql:redirections.cf, $alias_maps, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases ### Mailman specific settings ### owner_request_special = no recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 and last lines in /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py looks like ## # Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . # # See Defaults.py for explanations of the values. MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['mydoom.ro'] I created a new mailing list named maildrop, and /etc/mailman/aliases look like below: mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" mailman-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" mailman-join:"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" mailman-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" mailman-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman" mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" mailman-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" I think the problem is caused by redirections above due to incompatible sintax between mailman and standard postfix+maildrop+mysql redirections. Can somebody clarify me sintax: mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" In my opinion it mean: REDIRECT all emails comming to address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] into mailman pipe (|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman) with 2 arguments (post and mailman). What i don't know, is what represent FIRST (post) and SECOND (mailman) ARGUMENTS in this pipe? I tried to find and explanation in mailman docs to this question but it seems that answer is missing!!! Any fix will be wellcome. Regards, Alex PS: No errors are reported in /var/log/mailman/error! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Centos + Blue Quartz question - virtual site issue.
I'm trying to set up Mailman on NuOnce Centos+Blue Quartz site, running into a problem - all emails to the aliases come back as "unknown user". Invitation to join works fine; replying to confirm results in membership. my understanding is that aliases are not being read - how do i fix this one? have successfully set up mailman on centos 5.2 just to see it work - works great! - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to lists.fergula.com.: DATA <<< 553 5.3.0 ... No such user here 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient) Final-Recipient: RFC822; testeq-l...@lists.fergula.com Action: failed Status: 5.3.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; lists.fergula.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 5.3.0 ... No such user here Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:32:22 -0500 _ - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to mail.fergula.com.: DATA <<< 553 5.3.0 ... No such user here 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient) Final-Recipient: RFC822; testeq-list-ow...@lists.fergula.com Action: failed Status: 5.3.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.fergula.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 5.3.0 ... No such user here Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:26:47 -0500 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Centos + Blue Quartz question - virtual site issue.
Brad, your help is not working - it's broken. package was downloaded by webmin from YUM, correct one for OS. I have set up mailman with great success on Centos 5.2 no other way but by following set-up procedures - i guess there is no other way, is there? Now i'm looking for pointers from somebody who possibly had to do same thing on Centos+BQ and can tell me what did i miss. Regards, Alex - Original Message - From: "Brad Knowles" To: "Alex" Cc: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Centos + Blue Quartz question - virtual site issue. on 12/21/08 5:35 PM, Alex said: I'm trying to set up Mailman on NuOnce Centos+Blue Quartz site, running into a problem - all emails to the aliases come back as "unknown user". Clearly, your aliases aren't set up correctly. Either you did not complete the Mailman installation process using our instructions (see <http://list.org/mailman-install/>), or you're installing from a binary package created by someone else and you may not have completed their installation instructions, or maybe their installation process is incomplete. If you're using a binary package from someone else, you need to go to the developers of that package and get further support from them. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] The economics of spam and OT:
Well, Comcast just blocked port 25 at my house and required to use port 587 for outgoing mail. I guess charging money per email is next? port 25 is dead dropped to my non-comcast server as well. Also comcast rep writes: I have included the current list of blocked ports for you below: 67 68 135 137 138 139 445 512 520 1080 Al - Original Message - From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" To: "Bernie Cosell" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] The economics of spam Bernie Cosell writes: > I'm not sure these are fatal-flaw problems They're not. > [same as with the USPS Aye, there's the rub. The USPS is, even today, a state(-protected) monopoly. Email is not, and cannot be, unless you make the whole Internet a state monopoly. > > ... Email has evolved more along the lines of the TCP/IP packet > > paradigm rather than that associated with postal hard-copy snail-mail. > > There are aspects of email that resemble ICMP packets far more than > > they > > resemble Christmas cards. Why, Lindsay, I'm shocked. I thought you didn't know the jargon! > Actually, this is backwards. email *started* that way [remember that > forwarding was provided for and there was even that cute > explicit-routing > form of email address] and has, IMO, evolved off into needing to be > *more*like* Christmas cards. Including a national monopoly email provider, I guess? What I interpret Lindsay to be saying is that for Christmas cards you can treat the USPS as a well-behaved black box (in the systems analysis sense; it may or may not do the job it claims to do at all well, but you can figure out what job it reliably does). In particular you can determine that a piece of mail was properly paid for by the addressee because each and every one has postage *attached*, not merely "accounted for" somewhere. This is not true for ICMP or for email as currently designed; there is no way to determine the provenance of a packet in general. Sure, you can redesign email to require a secure, authenticated connection. But that's not the current design. Nor will a secure, authenticated connection that carries postage be acceptable in the market. Price competition will quickly drive postage actually paid to zero, and all that will happen is that the email network will become disconnected (as we are currently observing, anyway): a "backbone cabal" of email providers will evolve, and people with Linux boxes etc will set up wildcat SMTP networks along the lines of the old UUCP network. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/arogozin%40comcast.net Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] yet another message filtering question
What would be the best way (if there is one) in Mailman to remove all attachments before maximum message size value sends the message to moderator for approval?. I have read archives about demime and stripmime but perl and other scripts make me nervous - i am not very good at this stuff and don't even know where to begin. Regards, Alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] yet another message filtering question
This was a two part question and Marc, thank you very much, second part was
answered and it works great!
Now to the first part - the key word was 'all' - is there a wildcard for
- filename extension> field that will cover all and any attachment filename
extension?
Or what would be the best way to remove all attachments in Mailman without
installing any more software - i'm surprised i got this far as it is and
don't want to push my luck.
Regards and happy holidays to all!
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Sapiro"
To: "Alex" ;
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] yet another message filtering question
Alex wrote:
What would be the best way (if there is one) in Mailman to remove all
attachments before maximum message size value sends the message to
moderator
for approval?.
I have read archives about demime and stripmime but perl and other scripts
make me nervous - i am not very good at this stuff and don't even know
where
to begin.
The issue you see arises because the Hold handler which enforces the
maximum message size comed earlier in the handler pipeline than the
MimeDel handler which does content filtering.
What I do for my production site is add the following lines to mm_cfg.py
#
# Put MimeDel ahead of Hold so "too big" is based on content filtered
# message.
#
GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel')
GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel')
(Only the last two are required. The first 4 are documentation of
what's being done).
The result of this is the message is not held if content filtering
reduces its size below the max. Also, any messages held for
'miscellaneous' reasons have already been content filtered, but
messages held for 'membership' reasons (non-member or moderated
member) will be content filtered after approval.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Linux Preferred?
I had an excellent experience in installing Centos 5.2 yum provided rpm of mailman, took me a while to figure out that i had to turn off selinux for archiving to work properly thou. Alex - Original Message - From: "Tim Ferguson" To: "Mail Users" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Linux Preferred? Is there a preferred flavor of Linux that Mailman seems to work and install the best with? I'm trying Ubuntu, but the apt-get feature is getting hung up on trying to find the repositories and can't, so, until I get that fixed I just thought I'd ask. Thanks for any ideas and suggestions, Tim Tim Ferguson Director of Technology Centralia City Schools Centralia, Illinois 62801 618-532-1907, Ext. 1030 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/arogozin%40comcast.net Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Link request
How can I display my mailing list on a browser, similar to the following: https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Thanks, Alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] MM2.1 digest headers
I recently upgraded to 2.1 from 2.0.13. A number of my users are complaining about extra headers being placed in the digests. I'm using the default setting for DEFAULT_DIGEST_PLAIN_KEEP_HEADERS which is: DEFAULT_PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = ['message', 'date', 'from', 'subject', 'to', 'cc', 'reply-to', 'organization'] However I'm getting many more headers. Here is an example from a digest that went out today: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 16:41:54 -0800 From: Andrejs Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Promoting Moultons Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <00a201c2b343$8f46ae70$95836418@Home> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 I'm not asking for Message-ID, References, Content-Type, MIME-Version, or Precedence...where are they coming from? Also, in 2.0.13 the subject for a digest listed the number of messages contained in the digest. Is there a way to turn that back on? alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Where is "create" source code?
tcl-object.tcl :
proc new { className args } { set o
[SplitObject getid] if [catch "$className create $o
$args" msg] { if [string match "__FAILED_SHADOW_OBJECT_" $msg]
{ # The shadow object failed to be
allocated. delete $o return
"" } global errorInfo error "class
$className: constructor failed: $msg" $errorInfo } return
$o
This is the procedure new in tcl-object.tcl
file.
The procedure new calls a create
command.
I wanna see the create's source code.
Would you please tell me where the source
is?
Thank you.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personalization
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Brian Read wrote: > I've just read the little spiel on this under the non digest options. > > I don't entirely understand the "batching" issue. I understood from a > previous post that Mailman batches up to 100 postings together for the same > domain. If, however there is little domain crossover in the members of the > list, then the inefficiency implied by the personalization option will not > have any effect. > > Am I correct in this? Yes. The batching is also customizable. I have my mailman batching set to 500. Look at SMTP_MAX_RCPTS. In my case each of the large domains is about 10% of my list population (800 members on my largest list at the moment and 83 have yahoo.com addresses). I'd much rather send a few messages to yahoo.com than 83. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] MM2.1 digest headers (fwd)
I haven't seen any responses to this on the list. Are other people not having problems with many many more headers in MM 2.1 digests than they had in MM 2.0? Is the DEFAULT_PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS flag broken? alex -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:35:59 -0800 (PST) From: alex wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 digest headers I recently upgraded to 2.1 from 2.0.13. A number of my users are complaining about extra headers being placed in the digests. I'm using the default setting for DEFAULT_DIGEST_PLAIN_KEEP_HEADERS which is: DEFAULT_PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = ['message', 'date', 'from', 'subject', 'to', 'cc', 'reply-to', 'organization'] However I'm getting many more headers. Here is an example from a digest that went out today: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 16:41:54 -0800 From: Andrejs Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Promoting Moultons Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <00a201c2b343$8f46ae70$95836418@Home> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 I'm not asking for Message-ID, References, Content-Type, MIME-Version, or Precedence...where are they coming from? Also, in 2.0.13 the subject for a digest listed the number of messages contained in the digest. Is there a way to turn that back on? alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/alex%40phred.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Where is "create" source code?
tcl-object.tcl :
proc new { className args } { set o
[SplitObject getid] if [catch "$className create $o
$args" msg] { if [string match "__FAILED_SHADOW_OBJECT_" $msg]
{ # The shadow object failed to be
allocated. delete $o return
"" } global errorInfo error "class
$className: constructor failed: $msg" $errorInfo } return
$o
This is the procedure new in tcl-object.tcl
file.
The procedure new calls a create
command.
I wanna see the create's source code.
Would you please tell me where the source
is?
Thank you.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Angel Gabriel wrote: > Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was > thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange, requires > local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS > Exchange box, it should deliver the lot pretty quick, right? I relay through a system running Exchange 2000. It works fine. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Bob Puff@NLE wrote: > I second the recommendation NOT to use Exchange as your mail transport agent. > If you've got a DNS server (even your MS box, shiver me timbers) that's only > a couple milliseconds away, you're not going to see any noticeable performance > hit, especially if it's on your local lan. I've found that by far the > limiting factor is your connection to the internet. One benefit to using Exchange 2000 as your outbound MTA is that it works very well with batching. I have my Exchange setup to allow 500 recipients per message. Mailman is also configured to send 500 recipients per message. As a result all 55 aol.com, 65 yahoo.com, or 51 hotmail.com recipients on my largest list are send to Exchange on the same message. Exchange can send a single message to handle all of those recipients instead of sending 5 or 10 as would occur when using the recommended batching of 10 recipients per message for postfix and other popular Unix-based MTAs. Exchange 2000 has no problem sending the same message to multiple domains at the same time. The remote deliver agent on most Unix MTAs can only send to one domain at a time so if you set the batching to 500 then you single thread your delivery and it can take forever for messages to get out. Note that you can use Windows 2000 SMTP server instead of Exchange for this. The code is exactly the same, Windows 2000 is just missing other parts of the mail system and some of the administrative tools. I talked to Ralf offline about his comments yesterday. All of the issues that he brought up were about Exchange 5.5. Exchange 2000 replaced that with a much newer MTA almost three years ago. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Jonathan Knight wrote: > > > Exchange can > > > send a single message to handle all of those recipients instead of > > > sending 5 or 10 as would occur when using the recommended batching of > > > 10 recipients per message for postfix and other popular Unix-based > > > MTAs. > > This is not true for postfix. > > That's not true for exim either. It's a configurable option so that those > MTA's which refuse messages with more than X recipients (to avoid some spam) > can be catered for. Exim can be configured with different limits for > different domains. > > > > Exchange 2000 has no problem sending the same message to multiple > > > domains at the same time. The remote deliver agent on most Unix MTAs > > > can only send to one domain at a time > > > > This is not true for postfix. > > Nor for exim. It's a configurable option. Sorry for the misinformation. I was going by some information that I learned on this list about two years ago stating that setting MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to between 5 and 10 will increase parallelism with the MTA. Will exim and postfix both open multiple connections to a remote domain when there are many recipients for that domain on a single message? The Mailman FAQ still recommends setting MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to 10 for performance reasons, but doesn't explain why. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Robin Rowe wrote: > Jon, > > Front-end your mailing lists with a procmail filter that uses > > SpamAssassin. > > Thanks, but as I said, I'm configuring mailman on a SourceForge-hosted > mailing list. Installing SpamAssassin there is not within my power. > > Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman > spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers? If you automatically reject any email which isn't from list members then you'll probably find 99.9% of your SPAM go away. My popular lists get about 1 piece of spam on average a year and usually it is targetted from someone who took the time to sign up for the list in the first place. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Which functions???
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > How do you NUKE an address from ALL the lists on your server? > > Is there an Unsubscribe "ALL" trick? > > And, rather than looking at a dozen lists -- for one address -- is there a > way to find out (as a SYSTEM ADMIN with Root) what lists an address is > subscribed to??? There are many useful tools in the ~mailman/bin directory. If you look there you'll see that one of them is find_member. It is a trivial job in any scripting language to do a find_member to get the list of lists that a member is subscribed to then run remove_member to unsubscribe them from all of those lists. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] removing a strange email address
One of my users subscribed with the address mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] when I was running 2.0.13. Now I'm running 2.1 and he wants to unsubscribe. 2.1 won't allow him to change his settings, and when I use remove_members it reports that [EMAIL PROTECTED] isn't a subscriber. How can I remove this user from the list? thanks, alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] removing a strange email address
The web-admin doesn't work either. Is there a guide to using withlist anywhere? alex On 5 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > Can you remove him using the Web-admin? > If not, then you may need to use ~mailman/bin/withlist > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:30, alex wetmore wrote: > > One of my users subscribed with the address mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > when I was running 2.0.13. Now I'm running 2.1 and he wants to > > unsubscribe. 2.1 won't allow him to change his settings, and when > > I use remove_members it reports that [EMAIL PROTECTED] isn't a > > subscriber. > > > > How can I remove this user from the list? > > > > thanks, > > alex > > > > > > -- > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Challenge
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Simon White wrote: > Getting an MTA to talk with Win32 might be harder, but apparently Exim > and maybe Postfix will work under cygwin. Windows 2000 comes with a SMTP server too. Making it work with Mailman would be a little tricky though. As shipped it is only meant to relay email to remote servers and drops all local email into a drop directory. You could write a program to pick up mail from there and deliver it to mailman, or you could write a local delivery driver which does the same thing. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word wrap in archives
On 19 Feb 2003, Sage wrote: > My apologies if this has been brought up before, but I do not see any > answers in the recent archives. > > The archive pages for my mailman lists do not automatically wrap the > text of each message. Since these pages use the tag to display the > message, each message consists of several very long lines that extend to > the right, forcing readers to scroll to the right in order to read the > message. This is a very big problem since many of my users cannot be > trusted to use a mail client that wraps the message for them. Can > mailman not be configured to automatically wrap all incoming messages at > around 75 characters by itself? > > Does anyone have a possible solution to this? You can use an external archiver that wraps. I'm not sure if MHonArc (the most popular external archiver) will wrap or not. I'm using a homebrewed solution (http://search.bikelist.org) that does. There is also some commented out code in stripmime (http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html) that wraps lines down to 75 columns. I don't remember what problems there might be in there though, so if you want to use it make sure you test it yourself. The code is at lines 322 to 339. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman install on Debian problem.
I'm a bit of a newbie and am having problems figuring how to use mailman. I've installed mailman using apt-get and I'm trying to figure out to which directory to create a symbolic link for apache. I'm not entirely sure that this is what I'm supposed to be doing, just that I've done it for other software that I've installed. The furthest that I've gone is to link to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman, but when I go to http://mydomain/mailman/admin I get a page that has a bunch of japanese characters and some html. The html referes to a Mailman CGI Error. Another part of the page says "The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. So far the only help that I've received is that Mailman is supposed to work out of the box, which doesn't appear to be the case for me. I even tried a dpkg ---purge on it and then re-installing and still get the same results. Thanks Alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Pipermail
I have a new install of Mailman and just created my first list. One problem I've found is that when I click on Go to list archives, I get taken to a page that doesn't exist. What do I need to do to fix this? Alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] special characters in subscriber address
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, ljacobs wrote: > Somehow a user got subscribed as "pgyallay"@[EMAIL PROTECTED] and this > seems to be causing problems with my list. Unfortunately I am > unable to unsubscribe this user using the command line > remove_members or the web interface. > > How do I remove this member from the list? I wrote a routine that is compatible with "withlist" for doing this. Save it into rmmember.py. def rmmember(mlist, addr): try: print 'key: ', mlist.getMemberKey(addr) mlist.removeMember(mlist.getMemberKey(addr)) mlist.Save() except NotAMember: print 'No address matched:', addr Run "bin/withlist" to see usage on how withlist works. This command should remove your member: % bin/withlist -l -r rmmember mylist "pgyallay"@[EMAIL PROTECTED] alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] blocking MIME
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Phillip Lord wrote: >I'd like to block all MIME messages going to a mailman > mailing list, or alternatively hold them up for moderation. This is > partly so that I can block HTML mail because its annoying, and pretty > much everything else to avoid the mail virus problem. > >Is there a simple way that I can achieve this from within > mailman. Currently the only option I can think of is prefiltering > mail, and killing all mime. I've written a script for doing this. You can find it at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html I believe Mailman 2.1 will have this functionality built in. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] how can i delete messages...
Hi there how can i delete messages hold to approval whitout the graphical interface? ... I have a lot of messages of a person who isn´t included in a list and he tried to post a message as you can imagine i want to delete avoiding the gui. Thanks. _ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sueños en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] users on a page
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Could anyone tell me if there is any way of getting more than 30 > people on my membership management page at one time. I'm running > 2.0.5, and having 30 at a time for over 3000 email addresses is a > tad annoying! hehe. Look at the variable DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE in Defaults.py. Default is 30, up it to something larger and put that value in mm_cfg.py. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > A special place in hell is reserved for the authors of MSExchange who > not only decided to roll their own, but also made the brilliant > decision to include absolutely nothing in the bounce message which > even hints at the remotest morsel of a clue as to the intended > recipient. VERP to the rescue! Huh? Microsoft Exchange 2000 (you didn't specify a version, assuming you are talking about the latest version) sends RFC 1894 complaint NDRs. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] script to suscribe...
Hi there Does anyone have a script to subscribe many counts and don´t use the interface, i neeed to subscribe 350 users in a listas you can imagine i can´t use the gui Thanks. _ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sueños en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] domain problem
On 16 Jan 2002, Andreas Kotowicz wrote: > i have a mailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] sending mails to this email > address works great as does sending mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] this is a > sendmail problem i know, but i really don't see how to designate a list > to a specific domain. if you want to make list called > [EMAIL PROTECTED] later, you can't use list as a name either. You can install mailman twice, in two different directories. Use one installation for one domain, and one for the other domain. Or you can pick names which are unique across all of the domains. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] domain problem
On 16 Jan 2002, Andreas Kotowicz wrote: > On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 22:48, alex wetmore wrote: > > Only for subdomains that have mailing lists with competing names. I > > host lists on three subdomains using one copy of mailman. > > are you using sendmail? let's say you have a list that listens to the > name [EMAIL PROTECTED] what happens if you send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED]? do you get an error message that this address > doesn't exist? or does the email get delivered to that list anyway? > that's what it's not supposed to do. > > if you do get an error - how did you configure sendmail to distinguish > between the domains? First of all, please don't send my private email back to a public forum. That is incredibly rude. No, I don't use sendmail. My incoming mail is handled by postfix. In your example above, yes, the mail would go to domain.com. This has never bothered me, and if it did I'm sure I could reconfigure postfix (or sendmail) to only allow email to the list if it was sent to the correct domain. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] question...
Does anyone have a script now to subscribe a lot of users in my unix system taking the input from a file, changing /etc/passwd, /etc/group,etc Thanks! _ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sueños en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] question....
Hi there!!! I have a newer question...i received a message to aprove a mail in a mailing list...however when i introduce to the interface to aprove or discard the message i found something like: the message with the number id = 123 was lost, and there is nothing more about informationwhat happened Thanks _ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sueños en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] another question....
Hi there!!! what about when a receive a message of The original message was received at Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:23:13 -0600 (CST) from nobody@localhost - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown) - Transcript of session follows - 550 5.1.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] User unknown 550 5.1.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:23:13 -0600 (CST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 550 5.1.1 User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:23:14 -0600 (CST) In fact both users exist, i don´t know why send this message? Thanks _ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sueños en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Enforcing ASCII in a list
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Morgan Fletcher wrote: > With majordomo we had long taboo_body and taboo_headers lists > containing things like this: > > /Content-Type: text\/html/ > > Is there a way with Mailman 2.0.8 to filter out HTML and attachments, > per-list? Look at the privacy page (under list admin) for "Hold posts with..." > The closest thing I could find to it was this patch, which washes all > messages to ASCII text, as far as I can tell. > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103&func=detail&aid=413752 There are also two perl-based solutions that can be installed in front of Mailman or Majordomo. I wrote one of them (http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html -- it also links to DEMIME, the other option) and have been using it for almost two years on my lists. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Enforcing ASCII in a list
On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Morgan Fletcher wrote: > alex wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Is there a way with Mailman 2.0.8 to filter out HTML and attachments, > >> per-list? > > > > Look at the privacy page (under list admin) for "Hold posts with..." > > A lot of the mail encoded with HTML doesn't have anything in the header > warning you the contents are HTML. > > I just looked at a message written by a user, using "Microsoft Outlook > Express 6.00.2600.", and there's nothing in the header suggesting HTML > is used. The message is formatted with HTML, however. The content-type header is the key. HTML messages will often be of multipart/alternate, but might be text/html. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Search the archives?
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Morgan Fletcher wrote: > Heiko Rommel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What about using MHonArc > > > > http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html#whatis > > MHonArc just archives. Wilma wraps MHonArc and Glimpse to get you > search-able archives: > > http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo/#wilma > > I have set up a large archive that is indexed and search-able by > wilma. It's OK, but the search syntax required by glimpse isn't for > everyone, and I found that after about the 400MB mark, glimpse would > corrupt its own indices when doing nightly incremental updates. I built a searchable archive using Windows 2000, Index Server, and Windows SMTP Server. I can share the code for this if anyone is interested... The index is automatically updated as new messages are found, so there is no nightly run of anything. Messages are generally searchable within a minute of having been posted to the list. It isn't Mailman specific, and I'm hosting archives for lists that use other products as well as my Mailman lists. To the mailing list system the archiver simply looks like another subscriber. http://search.bikelist.org is the user interface for it. My current archive has 341,509 messages (1.5gb) and the catalog file is 340megs. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 ?
What does this mean and how do I fix it? Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. running python 2.1.1 and mailman 2.0.8 on a solaris sparc ..::: Alex Chavez : System Admin :::.. La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org : Taos. New Mexico : 505.758.1836: -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 ? more info
I got mailman 2.0.8 installed but can't access it through the web. I did this: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/ and I even did this export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6 here is the "set" printout: root@elvis logs $ set BASH=/usr/sbin/bash BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="2" [1]="03" [2]="0" [3]="1" [4]="release" [5]="sparc-sun-solaris2.7") BASH_VERSION='2.03.0(1)-release' COLUMNS=80 DIRSTACK=() EUID=0 GROUPS=() HISTFILE=//.bash_history HISTFILESIZE=500 HISTSIZE=500 HOME=/ HOSTNAME=elvis HOSTTYPE=sparc HZ= IFS=' ' LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6 LINES=25 LOGNAME=root MACHTYPE=sparc-sun-solaris2.7 MAILCHECK=60 OLDPWD=/usr/local/ssl/lib OPTERR=1 OPTIND=1 OSTYPE=solaris2.7 PATH=/usr/ccs/bin/:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin/adminscripts PIPESTATUS=([0]="0") PPID=10892 PS1='\u@elvis \W $ ' PS2='> ' PS4='+ ' PWD=/usr/local/mailman/logs SHELL=/sbin/sh SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:hashall:histexpand:monitor:history:interactive-comments: emacs SHLVL=1 TERM=vt100 TZ=US/Mountain UID=0 _=error root@elvis logs $ root@elvis logs $ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/ root@elvis logs $ set BASH=/usr/sbin/bash BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="2" [1]="03" [2]="0" [3]="1" [4]="release" [5]="sparc-sun-solaris2.7") BASH_VERSION='2.03.0(1)-release' COLUMNS=80 DIRSTACK=() EUID=0 GROUPS=() HISTFILE=//.bash_history HISTFILESIZE=500 HISTSIZE=500 HOME=/ HOSTNAME=elvis HOSTTYPE=sparc HZ= IFS=' ' LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/ LINES=25 LOGNAME=root MACHTYPE=sparc-sun-solaris2.7 MAILCHECK=60 OLDPWD=/usr/local/ssl/lib OPTERR=1 OPTIND=1 OSTYPE=solaris2.7 PATH=/usr/ccs/bin/:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin/adminscripts PIPESTATUS=([0]="0") PPID=10892 PS1='\u@elvis \W $ ' PS2='> ' PS4='+ ' PWD=/usr/local/mailman/logs SHELL=/sbin/sh SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:hashall:histexpand:monitor:history:interactive-comments: emacs SHLVL=1 TERM=vt100 TZ=US/Mountain UID=0 _=LD_LIBRARY_PATH root@elvis logs $ +---+ This is the error log: Feb 21 10:25:10 2002 admin(25778): admin(25778): [- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -] admin(25778): [- Traceback --] admin(25778): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(25778): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main admin(25778): import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi admin(25778): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 31, in ? admin(25778): import urllib admin(25778): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/urllib.py", line 26, in ? admin(25778): import socket admin(25778): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/socket.py", line 41, in ? admin(25778): from _socket import * admin(25778): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/bin/python: fatal: libssl.so.0.9.6: ope n failed: No such file or directory admin(25778): [- Python Information -] admin(25778): sys.version= 2.1.1 (#1, Aug 25 2001, 04:37:28) [GCC 3.0.1] admin(25778): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(25778): sys.prefix = /usr/local admin(25778): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local admin(25778): sys.path = /usr/local admin(25778): sys.platform = sunos5 admin(25778): [- Environment Variables -] admin(25778): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/apache/htdocs admin(25778): SERVER_ADDR: 204.151.72.2 admin(25778): QUERY_STRING: admin(25778): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(25778): REMOTE_ADDR: 204.151.72.17 admin(25778): UNIQUE_ID: PHUtdsyXSAIAAEC6FXo admin(25778): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en admin(25778): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(25778): SERVER_NAME: laplaza.org admin(25778): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive admin(25778): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.12; Mac_PowerPC ) admin(25778): HTTP_ACCEPT: */* admin(25778): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo admin(25778): HTTP_UA_CPU: PPC admin(25778): HTTP_EXTENSION: Security/Remote-Passphrase admin(25778): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo admin(25778): HTTP_HOST: laplaza.org admin(25778): REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin(25778): SERVER_SIGNATURE: Apache/1.3.9 Server at laplaza.org Po rt 80 admin(25778): HTTP_IF_MODIFIED_SINCE: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:22:34 GMT admin(25778): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo admin(25778): SERVER_ADMIN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] admin(25778): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) admin(25778): PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman admin(25778): TZ: US/Mountain admin(25778): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(25778): REMOTE_PORT: 49307 admin(25778): HTTP_UA_OS: MacOS ++ ..::: Alex Chavez : System Admin :::.. La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org : Taos. New Mexico : 505.758.1836: -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 ?
I'm running mailman 2.0.8 with python 2.1.1 on a solaris 7 spac. and I keep getting these messages in my error log when I try to view the mailman webpage. admin(25778): import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi admin(25778): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 31, in ? admin(25778): import urllib admin(25778): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/urllib.py", line 26, in ? admin(25778): import socket admin(25778): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/socket.py", line 41, in ? admin(25778): from _socket import * admin(25778): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/bin/python: fatal: libssl.so.0.9.6: ope n failed: No such file or directory admin(25778): [- Python Information -] admin(25778): sys.version= 2.1.1 (#1, Aug 25 2001, 04:37:28) [GCC 3.0.1] admin(25778): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(25778): sys.prefix = /usr/local admin(25778): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local admin(25778): sys.path = /usr/local admin(25778): sys.platform = sunos5 I know its a python issue has anyone else had any success with this on a sun? will mailman 2.0.8 run on python 1.5.1?( I'm almost ready to go back) can anybody give me a clue what to try next? Ive already tried to modify the LD_LIRARY see below: root@elvis logs $ set BASH=/usr/sbin/bash BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="2" [1]="03" [2]="0" [3]="1" [4]="release" [5]="sparc-sun-solaris2.7") BASH_VERSION='2.03.0(1)-release' COLUMNS=80 DIRSTACK=() EUID=0 GROUPS=() HISTFILE=//.bash_history HISTFILESIZE=500 HISTSIZE=500 HOME=/ HOSTNAME=elvis HOSTTYPE=sparc HZ= IFS=' ' LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/ LINES=25 LOGNAME=root MACHTYPE=sparc-sun-solaris2.7 MAILCHECK=60 OLDPWD=/usr/local/ssl/lib OPTERR=1 OPTIND=1 OSTYPE=solaris2.7 PATH=/usr/ccs/bin/:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin/adminscripts PIPESTATUS=([0]="0") PPID=10892 PS1='\u@elvis \W $ ' PS2='> ' PS4='+ ' PWD=/usr/local/mailman/logs SHELL=/sbin/sh SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:hashall:histexpand:monitor:history:interactive-comments: emacs SHLVL=1 TERM=vt100 TZ=US/Mountain UID=0 _=LD_LIBRARY_PATH root@elvis logs $ thanks ..::: Alex Chavez : System Admin :::.. La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org : Taos. New Mexico : 505.758.1836: -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Install error
I'm trying to install python 2.2 on solaris 7 os 5.7 sparc. the configure --with-gcc seemed to go well. but I get this err msg when I run make: root@elvis Python-2.2 $ make gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o Modules/python.o Modules/python.c gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o Parser/acceler.o Parser/acceler.c gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o Parser/grammar1.o Parser/grammar1.c gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o Parser/listnode.o Parser/listnode.c gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o Parser/node.o Parser/node.c gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o Parser/parser.o Parser/parser.c gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o Parser/parsetok.o Parser/parsetok.c gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o Parser/tokenizer.o Parser/tokenizer.c /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1375: error: unknown opcode ".subsection" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1375: error: statement syntax /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1468: error: unknown opcode ".previous" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1468: error: statement syntax /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1642: error: unknown opcode ".subsection" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1642: error: statement syntax /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1737: error: unknown opcode ".previous" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1737: error: statement syntax *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Parser/tokenizer.o' root@elvis Python-2.2 $ how do I correct this? ..::: Alex Chavez : System Admin :::.. La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org : Taos. New Mexico : 505.758.1836: -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.8 with python 1.5.1
Is any one successfully using mailman 2.0.8 with python 1.5.1? I haven't been able to upgrade to python 2.1.1 or 2.2 and now I considering going back to 1.5.1. ..::: Alex Chavez : System Admin :::.. La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org : Taos. New Mexico : 505.758.1836: -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] install problem python 2.2 on solaris 7
ame_r... (cached) yes checking gethostbyname_r with 6 args... no checking gethostbyname_r with 5 args... yes checking for __fpu_control... (cached) no checking for __fpu_control in -lieee... (cached) no checking for --with-fpectl... no checking for --with-libm=STRING... default LIBM="-lm" checking for --with-libc=STRING... default LIBC="" checking for hypot... (cached) yes checking what malloc(0) returns... (cached) nonnull checking for wchar.h... (cached) yes checking size of wchar_t... (cached) 0 checking what type to use for unicode... unsigned short checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... (cached) yes checking whether right shift extends the sign bit... (cached) yes checking for getc_unlocked() and friends... (cached) yes checking for rl_pre_input_hook in -lreadline... (cached) no checking for rl_completion_matches in -lreadline... (cached) no checking for broken nice()... (cached) no checking whether mvwdelch is an expression... (cached) yes checking whether WINDOW has _flags... (cached) yes checking for socklen_t... (cached) yes checking for build directories... done creating ./config.status creating Makefile.pre creating Modules/Setup.config creating pyconfig.h pyconfig.h is unchanged creating Setup creating Setup.local creating Makefile root@elvis Python-2.2 $ make gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o Parser/tokenizer.o Parser/tokenizer.c /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1375: error: unknown opcode ".subsection" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1375: error: statement syntax /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1468: error: unknown opcode ".previous" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1468: error: statement syntax /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1642: error: unknown opcode ".subsection" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1642: error: statement syntax /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1737: error: unknown opcode ".previous" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1737: error: statement syntax *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Parser/tokenizer.o' root@elvis Python-2.2 $ make install gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o Parser/tokenizer.o Parser/tokenizer.c /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1375: error: unknown opcode ".subsection" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1375: error: statement syntax /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1468: error: unknown opcode ".previous" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1468: error: statement syntax /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1642: error: unknown opcode ".subsection" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1642: error: statement syntax /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1737: error: unknown opcode ".previous" /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1737: error: statement syntax *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Parser/tokenizer.o' root@elvis Python-2.2 $ ..::: Alex Chavez : System Admin :::.. La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org : Taos. New Mexico : 505.758.1836: -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply Question
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Marc MERLIN wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 04:13:33PM -0600, Jorge Cuevas wrote: > > Is it possible to configure mailman so when you press the reply button, > > the reply goes to the sender of the mail, and if you press the reply-all > > button it goes to ONLY the list? > > No. The mail client sends a copy to the author, mailman can't stop that. > However, if the mail client is mutt, or some similarily enlightened MUA, you > can use list reply to, and if you insert a Mail-Followup-To, you can clue > the client to have reply to all only reply to the list. Mailman could look at the To and Cc lines of the message and make sure it doesn't sent to members which are listed on those lines. This would result in each person getting one copy, either from the list or from the sender who hit "reply to all". There would be a downside to this. The to line could be spoofed if you wanted to send something to the list and prevent it from going to a particular sender. Ideally this would be a per-client setting. A lot of email systems will delete duplicate emails with the same Message-ID so someone who is on the To line and on the list doesn't see the message twice anyway. My email comes into an Exchange 2000 Server which I access using Pine over IMAP. Exchange deletes the duplicates, and Pine is setup to color email with my name in the To or Cc line a different color. On busy lists this makes it easy for me to see replies to messages that I sent to a list, and I don't get duplicates. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply Question
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Marc MERLIN wrote: > On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 08:20:52AM -0800, alex wetmore wrote: > > > No. The mail client sends a copy to the author, mailman can't stop that. > > > However, if the mail client is mutt, or some similarily enlightened MUA, you > > > can use list reply to, and if you insert a Mail-Followup-To, you can clue > > > the client to have reply to all only reply to the list. > > > > Mailman could look at the To and Cc lines of the message and make sure > > it doesn't sent to members which are listed on those lines. This > > would result in each person getting one copy, either from the list or > > from the sender who hit "reply to all". > > That's what I was saying, it's an option Ben wrote and that just got > included in mailman cvs You described this as a mutt feature (or maybe I missed something), I was suggesting it as a mailman feature. > > Ideally this would be a per-client setting. A lot of email systems > > will delete duplicate emails with the same Message-ID so someone who > > Really? I wasn't aware of that. > (I think that very few Email systems do this. Exchange is the first one I > hear of that does that according to what you say. This is by the way not > necessarily something you want. If I bounce you a message of mine that you > lost, you'll never receive the copy) Exchange only keeps the msg-id for about an hour. It also looks like it might check some other headers, because I get duplicates on one list which is run by Listserv. They mangle a lot of the headers before sending the message back out, but not the Message-ID. > > is on the To line and on the list doesn't see the message twice > > anyway. My email comes into an Exchange 2000 Server which I access > > using Pine over IMAP. Exchange deletes the duplicates, and Pine is > > Mmmmhh, why do I have outlook users whining that they can't handle the fact > that they were receiving dupes and that they had no way (they said) to > remove them. > Granted, all of them don't use exchange, but... The majority of them probably don't use Exchange, especially list users who are probably subscribed from home and read email through a POP account on an ISP. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-tomunging per user
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Marc MERLIN wrote: > The idea was to settle this issue for good by offering, in place of listwide > reply-to munging (which would still be an option in mailman, just not one > that most people would need anymore): > - optional non sending of list posts if you are Cced so that you don't get > two copies (nodupes patch, already in CVS) I think that this is a great feature, and it is something which I would use on mailman. Can you provide information on the extra processing that it requires? It doesn't do anything crazy like send a message per recipient to the MTA, does it? alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] suggestion: rework bounce handling code
The current code turns on the "disable mail delivery" flag for the user or unsubscribes them. I'd prefer to see two disable mail delivery flags, one that is set/unset by the user (for people who just want to read via the archives) and one that is set by the bounce logic, and unset by the user. I'd like this because one of the biggest admin tasks that I have now is walking through re-enabling people's mail delivery and explaining to them why they are no longer getting list mail. With two flags I could write a script which went through the lists every night and sent an email to everyone who had the "bounced - disabled" flag set. This email could tell them how to fix their mail delivery, and tell them why it occured in the first place. This is one thing that EzMLM handles more nicely that mailman. When email bounces it sends the subscriber a bounce report and tells them how to get back the email that they've missed. Has this logic changed at all in 2.1? alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] html in digests
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME and MIME filters. > > > Unfortunately, good ol' AOL makes mincemeat out of either, when receiving > digests. Put that together with the computer savvy of the general AOL-user, > and it adds up to lots of bitching, LOL. It wouldn't matter except for the > popularity of AOL. What I've started doing is collecting the messages from > one day in a folder, converting them all to plain text and then merging them > and sending them out as a single digest that way to the Digest recipients. > However, I personally am very satisfied with Mailman, and am enjoying the > independence from Yahoo groups. --Lil The MIME filters (stripmime which I wrote, or demime, or the patches for mailman) will prevent MIME and HTML from ever hitting your list in the first place. The Mailman FAQ has a good entry on this subject. http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html There is no reason why you should have to edit digests by hand. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email is (still) a good idea...
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Frederick Noronha wrote: > (ii) You raised an important point: maybe Mailman would be more useful if it > had a "block all attachments" option. This would avoid virus... we still > have Windows-based readers on our lists ;-) There are filters available which do this for you (and this is covered in teh FAQ). I wrote one of these filters, and you can find it at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: stripmime.pl doesn't?
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Viewing a generated plain text digest I can't see that stripmime.pl did > anything. None of the five messages was lost, but none appear to have been > altered in any way. Am I perhaps missing something? I thought it's main > thing was to zap HTML attachments. It does. For testing purposes you can run HTML enabled message through it without involving sendmail. This is one of my test messages: [phred:p5] ~ % cat mimehtml | perl www/stripmime.pl >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 20 12:20:54 2000 Received: from AWETMOREDEV (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phred.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA17923 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:20:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003b01bf6383$a5e86640$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV> From: "alex wetmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: HTML encoded Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:19:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" This is foobar This is a file: --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html application/octet-stream --- If that works then something is wrong with the way you have installed it with your MTA. I can't do anything to help with MTA installation, since that varies so much depending on what software and OS you are using. I put a copy of my mimehtml test message online at http://www.phred.org/~alex/mimehtml alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Jon Carnes wrote: > There is no problem. Her "mail sending format" is set to something funky. It isn't something funky, it is quoted-printable. Most mail clients can parse it. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Traffic with a large list
It probably won't be quite that bad though, because your MTA will probably batch multiple recipients on a message who are in the same domain. 10kb is also a very large average message size. The average message size on my lists is a lot closer to 1kb. My system hosts two fairly large lists. One is 1600 members and has an average of 50 messages per day. The other is 1000 members and has an average of 80 messages per day. I find that my total bandwidth usage is about 10gb-12gb per month, and that includes personal use of my DSL connection (ie, it isn't all mail). Current counters from my MTA: 43.61 day uptime 1,675,934 messages sent 10,198,549,774 bytes Switching that to per month: 30 days 1,152,901 messages sent 7,015,741,646 In March 5428 messages were sent out on my lists. That works out to 212 messages sent by my MTA for each message sent by a list on average (kind of a meaningless number unless I work out how many recipients each message went to, so that I can figure out how many messages my MTA sends per recipient). I am doing one major thing different than most mailman users. My MTA is Windows 2000 SMTP Server, which has no problem sending one message to multiple domains at the same time. This means that my batching number is very high (currently mailman sends 1000 recipients to my MTA per message). Most people recommend setting this to a much lower number (5 or 10) on Unix MTAs because they can't send the same message to two domains at the same time (or that is my understanding). alex On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Baba wrote: > Hi, > > Assuming an average message size of 10 KB, and an average of 75 e-mails per day, > mailman will be sending out: > > 0.01 x 75 x 5000 = 3750MB = 3.75 GB per day > > (i.e. mail_size_in_MB x mail_per_day x no_of_members) > > That works out to 112.5 GB per month. > > I suspect your ISP will want to charge you a lot of extra for that kind of > bandwidth usage > > -- > Baba the Cat > www.catbaba.com > PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys > "I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is > infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine > > - Original Message - > From: "Olwen Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:40 AM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traffic with a large list > > > > Mailman is pre-installed with web-hosting I have. I'm considering > > moving a large active list to it. There are currently over 5000 members > > on the Yahoogroups list, with 50-100 messages a day, fully-moderated by > > a panel of moderators. I feel sure mailman could cope with the volumes, > > but can anyone give me a feel for the bandwidth involved with a list of > > this size? > > > > > > > > -- > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Latest version...
Hi there what is the latest stable version of mailman Thanks _ Do You Yahoo!? La emoción e intensidad del deporte en Yahoo! Deportes. http://deportes.yahoo.com.mx -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: use of MIME stripping plugins
On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I tried and shelved stripmime.pl. Demime kicks its butt & gives much more > comprehensive service. My advice is to install and use it instead. They are very different programs with similar end goals. Demime has a larger feature set, but requires a more complex install because it uses a lot of Perl packages. Some of those packages have additional resource requirements too (such as creating temp files during parsing). Stripmime is package free and simple. It removes MIME, nothing less, nothing more. I'm not sure what features you are putting under "much more comprehensive service". Luckily you have two options to pick from. When I first write stripmime there weren't any. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] (no subject)
After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun Solaris 7) Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in ChangeOptions lst.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in breaklink reraise() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone' Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents? I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman. In fact root owns every file in the mail mailman directory which seems kind of fishy. This may be due to recovering the program from a backup copy. Response appreciated Alex Chavez | System Admin La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org Taos. New Mexico | 505.758.1836 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive links
After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun Solaris 7) Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in ChangeOptions lst.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in breaklink reraise() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone' Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents? I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman. In fact root owns every file in the mail mailman directory which seems kind of fishy. This may be due to recovering the program from a backup copy. Response appreciated Alex Chavez | System Admin La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org Taos. New Mexico | 505.758.1836 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive links
After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun Solaris 7) Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in ChangeOptions lst.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in breaklink reraise() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone' Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents? I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman. Response appreciated Alex Chavez | System Admin La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org Taos. New Mexico | 505.758.1836 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive links
After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun Solaris 7) Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in ChangeOptions lst.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in breaklink reraise() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone' Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents? I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman. Response appreciated Alex Chavez | System Admin La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org Taos. New Mexico | 505.758.1836 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive list
After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun Solaris 7) Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in ChangeOptions lst.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in breaklink reraise() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone' Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents? I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman. In fact root owns every file in the mail mailman directory which seems kind of fishy. This may be due to recovering the program from a backup copy. Response appreciated Alex Chavez | System Admin La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org Taos. New Mexico | 505.758.1836 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive links
After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun Solaris 7) Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in ChangeOptions lst.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in breaklink reraise() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone' Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents? I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman. In fact root owns every file in the mail mailman directory which seems kind of fishy. This may be due to recovering the program from a backup copy. Response appreciated Alex Chavez | System Admin La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org Taos. New Mexico | 505.758.1836 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Update list...
Hi there!!! How can i update a list in command line, i mean by crontab, etc... _ Do You Yahoo!? La emoción e intensidad del deporte en Yahoo! Deportes. http://deportes.yahoo.com.mx -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments control?
On Wed, 15 May 2002, P.U. Lianos wrote: > I was wondering (and couldn't find any info online) if a list manager has a > way to block attachments from reaching a list that uses Mailman? This is > useful in order to prevent a virus coming from a list member, spreading > within the email list. Four solutions listed at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.013.htp alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Tim Crouch wrote: > I am looking for suggestions on a hardware purchase. I am setting up a > new mailing list server for our University. It will host up to 500 lists > ranging from 2 subscribers to 3000 with an average of under 200. We > will archive no more than 1 year's worth of messages. Obviously disk > size will be number one on the priority, but I am looking for what you > would run this on. OS will be RH Linux 7.3 the hardware will be from > Dell. I am leaning towards the following: > > Dell PowerEdge 350 1u rack server > 850MHz Celeron, 128KB L2 > 512 MB SDRAM > 20 Gig IDE boot drive > 120 GIG IDE data (for archiving, data, & web) > RH Linux 7.3 > > > This machine needs to have a lifetime of at least 3 years More important than list size is the volume of email that you need to process. For a server handling 500 lists I'm going to assume that during peak volume you are going to be sending out a lot of messages. If the server is also to act as your MTA then you will probably need additional disk capacity. Not in space, but in throughput. Stripping your queue across multiple disks is the best way to gain throughput. The FAQ contains scaling tips for using Mailman with different MTAs. I don't know what MTA you are using, so I can't provide any more useful advice. On my MTA (Windows 2000 SMTP) throughput is tightly linked to the number of spindles...using 7200rpm disks the system can send about 15msgs/sec/disk. This number will vary depending on the MTA, underlying file system, and your disk subsystem. Assuming each list has 200 recipients (your average) and 10 messages per day then you need to send up to 1,000,000 messages per day (I'm also assuming each message is going to a different domain, or that you'll turn on VERP when you have Mailman 2.1). That is 11/sec spread out through 24 hour day. Chances are that you'll have a 10 hour peak window with most of that traffic, and will need considerably better throughput. I would look at least striping your MTA queue across two spindles. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Scott Courtney wrote: > On Thursday 11 July 2002 01:42 pm, J C Lawrence wrote: > > You might to look over the RFCs for SMTP and pay particular attention to > > the bits about guarantees and transaction handling. > [...] > > > > It tends to define a whole lot of sync() and open()/close() calls (which > > latter force a buffer and inode flush). > > You're right, of course. It's been several years since I've needed to get into > SMTP RFCs in that level of detail. Here is the important section: When the receiver-SMTP accepts a piece of mail (by sending a "250 OK" message in response to DATA), it is accepting responsibility for delivering or relaying the message. It must take this responsibility seriously. It MUST NOT lose the message for frivolous reasons, such as because the host later crashes or because of a predictable resource shortage. By my reading of this paragraph it is not acceptable to have a queue on a RAM disk unless the disk is battery backed and won't be affected by a server reboot. Various companies, such as cenatek.com, make hardware that meet these requirements. It isn't very affordable though, and most servers would probably do just as well with a well thought out RAID array (that means avoiding RAID 5, which has very poor performance for small disk writes, and SMTP servers are all about doing tons of small disk writes). alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Rejection?
That just puts the message into the admin queue. There isn't any way in the 2.0.x code to make it reject the message and not put it into the queue. alex On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Bill Selmeier wrote: > Certainly there is. I don't know which version you are using but in 2.0.11 > the 6 question on the Privacy configuration page is: > > Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) > (Details) > > On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Pete Holsberg wrote: > > Is there a way to configure Mailman to discard/reject email > > sent by non-members? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Kevin Robbins wrote: > Will Mailman work on Red Hat 7.2 and with MS Exchange 5.5 as its SMTP server > ? I do this using Mailman on FreeBSD and Exchange 2000 as my SMTP server. You'll need to configure Exchange to allow relay from the Mailman machine. On the Mailman machine set the SMTPHOST configuration option in mm_cfg.py. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Tim Hutchinson wrote: > I have recently begun enforcing a plain text only policy based on the > instructions in FAQ 3.10: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.10 > (adding header values to Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting > filters, e.g. Content-Type: .*mixed) > > The problem is that this has cast the net a little too wide. At least > one subscriber use AVG virus protection software, which adds a text > attachment to every e-mail. This results in a header of > multipart/mixed, so the post gets held as having a suspicious header. You might find it easier to use a tool which strips MIME out of your email and leaves behind plaintext. There are four options in the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.13 I wrote stripmime and use it, but any of them should work. It will only keep text/plain sections and flattens them all to a single body. An advantage of this method is that you don't need to continously teach list members to turn off HTML in their email client. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 7/16/02 10:47 PM, "JC Dill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd be more surprised if your ISP would refuse to do it. Stripping MIME > > off mailing list destined posts makes everyone's life easier. > > Except that's not where things are headed. Especially when you start dealing > with non-english language stuff. Instead, we need to selectively strip > UNSAFE content and stop going to LCD situations. > > But I know from previous discussions you won't agree with me on this, and I > won't push the agenda right now... Mailman needs to have better support for MIME in digests and archives before not stripping all MIME makes sense. My users who were happiest when I started stripping all MIME were the digest recipients who previously had to wade through raw MIME. You can tell Mailman to send digests with each message as a MIME attachment, but that is harder for most people to browse using common MUAs. Two of the four stripping tools mentioned in the FAQ allow for selective stripping of content. I'll agree that my tool (stripmime) takes the most drastic approach of stripping everything. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-member postings to list automatically rejectedhowto? (again)
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Sead Mujushi wrote: > How can I configure a list so that postings from non-members are > automatically rejected with no action required on my part as an > administrator? In Mailman-2.0.x you can't without making changes to the source code. I don't know of any public patches for doing this, but you might find them on sourceforge. I understand that 2.1 has this as a base feature. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Man Problems - No aliases being created.
On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote: > Everytime I create a new list, no aliases are being added to sendmail. Mail > cannot be recieved, and I get user not found. Any advice would be > appreciated. Mailman doesn't add the aliases to sendmail automatically. newlist prints out the aliases to add, and expects you to add them yourself. Make sure that you run newaliases after you update /etc/aliases. Mailman can't add them automatically because there are many different MTAs out there, and not all of them use /etc/aliases and run newaliases. I believe that 2.1b3 attempts to add them for some well known MTAs, but I don't know for sure. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Big headers
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Flavio wrote: > My mailman mail head have many users in it. Some ISP don´t accept my > messages. How can I solve it (one message to each user) This is an MTA issue. Mailman just sends the message to your MTA, your MTA is responsible for talking to remote MTAs (such as at an ISP). The remote MTA should return a too many recipients error that your MTA sees, and that should trigger your MTA to send this message and start a new one for the rest of the recipients. What MTA are you using, and which ISPs are giving you this problem? How many recipients is your MTA trying to send? You could set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 in mm_cfg.py to force one recipient per message. That can make a noticable difference on your bandwidth usage though. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Big headers
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, J C Lawrence wrote: > > I believe all of the discussion-list type servers (Mailman, listserv, > > Mercury, Majordomo, et al) use the same mechanism, so the ISPs that > > are using this technique for stopping spam will have to address > > legitimate list servers. > > Sadly, nope. > > SMTP is an unreliable transport. ISPs have no especial obligation to > deliver received mail to their addressed users (no matter that those > users and we may feel differently). This is not accurate. SMTP is a reliable transport. It either deliveres the message or deliveres an NDR. >From RFC2821: When the receiver-SMTP accepts a piece of mail (by sending a "250 OK" message in response to DATA), it is accepting responsibility for delivering or relaying the message. It must take this responsibility seriously. It MUST NOT lose the message for frivolous reasons, such as because the host later crashes or because of a predictable resource shortage. If there is a delivery failure after acceptance of a message, the receiver-SMTP MUST formulate and mail a notification message. MTAs which don't accept this level of reliability aren't SMTP transports. Ones which bit bucket mail which has too many recipients are also not SMTP compliant. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: [Mailman-Users] Stopping PGP signatures
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, John Jones wrote: > How does one strip MS Office vcard attachments that salespeople and others > tend to attach to -every- email as an attachment of 15kb-45kb? You know, > the thing that has very little in it except for an 'attachment signature' > and contact information? Who uses those things, anyway? ;) Use a MIME stripper. There are at least 5 options listed in the FAQ, and some allow you to strip only specific content types if you want to kill vCards but allow JPEGs (as an example). alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Cron /usr/bin/python-S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests
It sounds like the config.db for one of your lists was corrupted.
Did you have an unexpected power failure recently? I did on Sunday
and lost the config.db for two of my high traffic lists. About
half of the file was written over with null bytes.
I wrote a tool (Win32, although it should be easy to port to Unix) to
extract the addresses from config.db if you are interested. Mailman
stores each address in there 3 or 4 times, so even with half of the
file missing I was able to recover everything. I sent email to all of
the addresses telling people to resubscribe and started the lists over
from scratch.
I put the tool online at http://www.phred.org/~alex/dumpconfig
Here is sample usage:
> dumpconfig config.db.test
config file is 8028 bytes
user options {
[EMAIL PROTECTED]=8
}
members {
[EMAIL PROTECTED]=0
}
passwords {
[EMAIL PROTECTED]=xx
}
digest members {
}
> dumpconfig config.db.test | perl membershiplist.pl
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This isn't an ideal solution, but it worked for me when I didn't
have a recent enough backup.
alex
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> What the hell is this!?!? all of a sudden I got this in my email...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cron Daemon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S
> /var/mailman/cron/senddigests
>
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
> File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
> main()
> File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
> send_list_digest(mlist)
> File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 46, in send_list_digest
> mlist.Lock()
> File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345, in Lock
> self.Load()
> File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 886, in Load
> raise Errors.MMUnknownListError
> Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, sean pambianco wrote: > I'm using mailman 2.0.6. My list is configured so that only members > can post to the list and all posts must be approved by the > administrator. The other day an un-approved post was distributed to my > list. The post was not held for approval and I know it went out to the > list because it showed up in the archives. > > Has anyone ever had an unauthorized post go out to a their list without > administrative approval? The email appeared to have come from the > list-admin address. Do later versions of mailman patch this? It is very easy to forge the From: line in email. If a spammer forges the From: line to have a user which is on your list then it will go through. This isn't really a problem that Mailman itself can solve. I've also had a few examples of a member joining, sending spam, and leaving the list very quickly. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] footer not appearing?
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Erik Myllymaki wrote: > What could cause the msg-footer to NOT appear in regular, non-digest mail to > the list? HTML or other MIME formatted email. Mailman isn't MIME aware and tacks the footer on beyond the end of the MIME portion of the body. Most mail clients won't show anything contained there. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Problems installing mailman on Solaris 8
Hi all, We are attempting to install mailman on a solaris 8 box. We installed python via a package from sunfreeware.com and compiled and installed mailman from source. However when we try to access the admin script, we get the following error: admin(11198): [- Traceback --] admin(11198): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(11198): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main admin(11198): import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi admin(11198): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 35, in ? admin(11198): from StringIO import StringIO admin(11198): ImportError: cannot import name StringIO admin(11198): [- Python Information -] which is a complete mystery to us, a web search and a search of the archives reveals that this problem has been reported before in 2001 but no solution was provided, just the question. Has anyone got a suggestion for how we can resolve this? What are we doing wrong? Thanks Alex Heatley Unix System Administrator Systems Management Group Phone (+64) 4 916 3142 Fax (+64) 4 917 0050 --- This email message and any attachment(s) is intended only for the person(s) or entity(entities) to whom it is addressed. The information it contains may be classified as IN CONFIDENCE and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient any use, disclosure or copying of the message or attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify us immediately and destroy it and any attachment(s). Thank you. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or to any attachment(s) after transmission from the Ministry. --- -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] stopping HTML posts
On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Ken Kyler wrote: > > I would like to bounce anything that is not text only, or that has an > > attachment. > > On the Privacy page, in the "Hold posts with header value matching a specified > regexp" option, put something like the following: > > # the following is for attachments > Content-Type: multipart/* > Content-type: text/enriched Or use a filter which strips out HTML and leaves behind the plaintext. I've written one called stripmime which is available at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, J.D.K. Chipps wrote: > Is there anyway to strip attachments from posts? I wrote a script for this called stripmime. http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl I put it before the wrapper script in my /etc/aliases. Here is an example: classicrendezvous: "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/usr2/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post classicrendezvous" It strips all attachments besides plain text. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] performance/usage guidelines for Mailman
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Jim Saville wrote: > Are there any guidelines for hardware/software configurations for > using the Mailman program. For example, I am working with an > organization which wants to run 5-20 lists with most lists running > about 2000 subscribers. I am planning on using a Pentium 133 with > 228Mb RAM and a 4Gb hd running RH6.2 Linux, Sendmail 8.9.3, and > Mailman 2.0. Is this an adequate configuration? Can someone supply > configuration guidelines? It is important to know the volume of your lists as well as their size. My Mailman machine is a Pentium-200 with 64megs of RAM and a couple of gigs of disk running FreeBSD. This machine has two very active lists (40-50msgs/day) of 600+ subscribers and a number of lower volume lists (10 or less msgs/day) of various numbers of subscribers. It seems to handle this load with no problems. My current bottleneck is my internet bandwidth, which sometimes bogs down when the lists are very busy. I'm current running a different machine as my MTA, but I've used Sendmail on this box as the MTA with similar load levels with no problems. I would guess that you'll be fine if your lists are low volume. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Rejecting attachments
As Joe, I am very interested in rejecting all attachments on a few of my mailing lists. As Joe, I played with pattern detection in the header of the messages but failed. Stripping is not an option in this case: these are announcement lists with relatively high traffic and the emails are better "rejected" to advertise that a format change is desired which the announcers accept quite gracefully. The idea is to have the attachment trigger an automatic "reject". >"Peter Hutnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > >It might be better just to have your MTA strip attachmnets on incoming >messages to the list, before Mailman ever sees them. > >This will probably be easier to manage. For instance, your message >would have been blocked if this list was set up to block messages with >attachments, but if the MTA at python.org just stripped attachmnets >from messages going to this list we only would have lost your HTML. > >> Hi. I am an administrator for a mailman list and I am trying to >> use the administrative interface to block any incoming messages >> that have any kind of an attachment. I have been playing about >> with the Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp >> option in 'Privacy Options' but to no avail. -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Adding and removing *single* users from command line...
From: "Satya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Feb 18, 2001 at 13:45, Mike Cisar wrote: > >Is there a way to add or remove a single user from a list via the command > >line? I've looked at the add_members and remove_members but they seem to > >require a textfile list of user(s) to add or remove from a list. I'd just > >like to be able to add (or remove) one single user without an intermediary > >step of having to create a textfile containing their email address... like > >"add_member listname [EMAIL PROTECTED]" "remove_member listname > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > From the add_members command line help: > > -n > A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one > address per line. This list of people become non-digest > members. If is `-', read addresses from stdin. > > So you want something like: > > echo "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"| add_members -n - listname "remove_members list [EMAIL PROTECTED]" works too, even though it isn't documented. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Disabiling attachments?
From: "Alessio Bragadini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > David Brauer: > > > I can't find an option in the Mailman administrative interface that > > will forbid, or disable attachments. > > There isn't such an option in Mailman itself, but most sites who wish > to do so use the demime <http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html> filter. Or the stripmime filter (http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl). Much different underlying implementations with the same goal. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] want archival enhancement
Hello, Can anyone tell me how to hook the archival with an external archivers so I'll have o be able to show HTML mails o be able to download the attachments Sorry, I'm not on the list. Please send personal e-mail to me. Thanks! Alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Question about "posting to list without implicit approval requirement"
Hi, I need help. To my understand about "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement." setting is that for the e-mail addresses you put down in there - they will have unrestrited access to post to the list. Why does it not work? Help! Alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Stripmime update
Stripmime is a Perl script which I wrote to convert MIME messages to plaintext. It does this by removing non-text attachments (except HTML in certain cases) and removing the MIME structure. I've created a webpage with some information on the tool as well as simple installation instructions. The page can be found at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html. The latest version has a new feature and some bug fixes. The main new feature is that it now does HTML to ascii conversion for messages which only contain an HTML section (if they have an HTML and a plaintext section then it just keeps the plaintext one). The primary bugfix is that it properly identifies HTML messages coming from hotmail (previously it allowed them through). This tool is similar to demime, but has a much different underlying implementation. Demime uses many perl modules to do the striping work, but I wasn't comfortable with this approach because some of the modules create temporary files or large in-memory buffers. My solution acts as a filter and never buffers the whole source message into memory or disk at any time, so it should have fewer resource needs. I have been using it on my mailing list server for over a year now with very good luck. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] problem with Greek characters on From field
Hello, I have a subscriber from Greek. Every e-mail he sent to the list needs to be have admin to approve even though he is a subscriber. The reason for being held shows that he is not a subscriber. His e-mail sends as (what shows in From field) some_greek_character (English Name) [e-mail_address] so something looks like (as an example) OAciU ee (John Smith) [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] How can fix it? Alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Attachments, HTML, Message sizesincluding attachments
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Steve Hasz wrote: > 1. Is it possible to strip attachments from messages or not allow them? My filter at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html does this. At the bottom of the webpage are links to some other similar scripts. > 2. Barring that, I see I can limit the size of messages, but only the size > of the text body. My list received two attachments today that were ~1Meg in > size. Is there a way to limit the size of the attachments allowed? I > currently have the text size set at 70K. Attachments should be included in the text body size. Did you somehow disable this? > 3. I'm sure the digest subscribers to my list are pissed off about the 1 > meg attachments, since they get everything in plain text format. Is there a > way to strip out all HTML from messages so they are delivered as plain text. stripmime does this as well. > As a side note, I tried searching as recommended by the faq, but I couldn't > get any results to come up. I prefer searching past archives to posting to > a list. I looked in the archives, but downloading 26 Meg seemed formidable. You can search the archives at http://www.python.org. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Filtering MIME/HTML
From: "Robert Glover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Is there a way in Mailman 2.03 to filter out (even if it just means > rejecting) messages that contain MIME, HTML, or attachments? Majordomo had > a somewhat contorted way, by entering regexps into the majordomo.cf file. > This would be better than nothing. :) This is a FAQ. Does anyone maintain a FAQ? Perhaps we can get this added to it. Robert: read http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html. It has detailed information on a solution that I wrote, and a link to another solution. Both are perl scripts which filter out that junk and leave behind a plaintext email. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
RE: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going to list
> But in a virtual host environment, I don't have root and I don't have > control over the mail aliases file. All mail for 'test' gets You need to ask your service provider to do it for you. BTW, you need their permisison to run mailman stuff anyway. Alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
RE: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman: Internal Server Error ?
> I looked at the logfile and though it exists, it is as empty > as it can be Did you compile with web server's uid and gid? Alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to receiveinformation on registering your pet online for free?
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Dan Wilder wrote: > There's a middle ground. > > For reasons of our own, we keep some of our lists open to posts > by non-subscribers. > > A simple procmail front-end looks for "To:" or "Cc:" headers > mentioning the list. Since most spamware is too stupid to > put these in, or else it is using third-party relay to 10,000 > hapless victims, so a custom "To:" or "Cc:" is out of the > question, this excludes quite a bit of spam with one simple rule. Mailman supports this configuration out of the box, and in fact it is the default. I ran with it on my lists for quite a while, but got sick at directly targetted SPAM (one which had a valid To or Cc) going to my lists and I made them closed. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Phydeaux wrote: > The spam is *quite* easy for a human to detect. I hereby volunteer for > duty if called In the past couple of weeks there have been many more messages complaining about the spam then spam itself... alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now ornot?
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, JC Dill wrote: > I have 2 outstanding questions about mailman configuration options: I've answered these before. > 1) Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone who is > subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a non-subscriber > will be sent to a moderator for approval? > > Yes or No? Yes. > 2) Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages that > are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman? Headers yes, body no (at least with 2.01). alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] trim/cut/delete (was RE:Mailman-Users digest,Vol 1 #1115 - 16 msgs)
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, JC Dill wrote: > Is there an option to block completely quoted digests? That would be sweet! I handle this fairly easily by making my digest size 30kb, and my maximum message size 20kb. If someone comments to an entire digest then it'll be larger than the maximum message size and so it will be held for review. Stripmime (http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html) has some commented out code that attempts to detect large quoted sections and trim them if they run over 50 lines. It was a bit buggy though, which is why it is no longer in use. alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available nowor not?
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > > I'm just not sure. I mean, if it's that easy, why hasn't THIS LIST BEEN > > CONFIGURED TO DO JUST THAT? > > > > > > How do I know you aren't misleading me? If it's that easy, certainly this > > list would have been properly configured. > > Will you grow up, JC? I also would like to suggest that perhaps JC installs Mailman and plays with it. He seems to be asking a lot of basic functionality questions that he could probably answer for himself by playing with the software (or even reading documentation). alex -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
