[Mailman-Users] Re: Cloudmark blacklist

[Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS]

Jayson,

I'm not sure I'm fully knowledgeable enough in this matter to help, but 
maybe...


For my Mastodon VPS I use sendpulse.com as the outgoing SMTP server.  
They have a surprisingly high threshold of free outbound SMTP messages 
they allow per month before asking you for a paid plan.  So far, I have 
had no problem with blocked messages, so you might try them?


FYI -- This is a company based in Ukraine with their servers in Germany, 
so not sure what happens if Russia makes further strides in the war.


-- Michael

*Michael Reeder, LCPC
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On 3/16/2024 11:10 AM, Jayson Smith wrote:

Hi,

What I mean is that I'd love to find a good, reliable smarthost I can 
direct my SMTP server on my VPS to use. I've heard knowledgeable 
friends say over and over and over again, "Anyone who runs their own 
Email server is just asking for trouble, it's not worth it any more." 
The real problem I'm seeing is that seemingly within the last few 
years, at least some VPS providers (Linode and Digital Ocean for sure) 
have started getting entire IP ranges put on blocklists. My first 
experience of being put on UCEPROTECT level 3 was on January 20, 2021, 
and a few weeks ago my IP wound up on UCEPROTECT level 2. Yes, I know 
how the UCEPROTECT lists work, but the point is that I never used to 
find my IP on those lists, but now it happens every few months. I have 
to think something has happened to cause more spammers to use these 
providers.


As for incoming Email, I'd like for my own SMTP server to be able to 
continue handling it. The reason is that I don't want some other Email 
provider's spam blocking software deciding what I get to see. I have 
some incoming spam control measures in place for specific Email 
addresses that tend to receive a lot of spam, but for me and my family 
members, everything gets through. Yes this means we get incoming spam 
that comes our way, but it also means we don't have to worry about an 
important incoming message going missing because it was sent to the 
spam folder or silently discarded.


Thanks for any thoughts,

Jayson

On 3/16/2024 5:26 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Jayson Smith writes:

  > I'm getting really tired of these unexplained blacklistings. Does
  > anyone know of any reliable outgoing Email service providers?

What do you mean by that?  Gmail for example allows you (or did allow
you 18 months ago) to validate an alternate address through the usual
"can you read this mail and send back a cookie" dance, and use those
validated addresses in From.

Unfortunately, in my experience at least Gmail won't allow you to use
a non-gmail address in From unless you're using their app or browser
client.  Authenticated SMTP to port 587 doesn't cut it for whatever
reason.  The best I could figure out was sending through eg gmail
using From: m...@gmail.com and setting Reply-To.

  > Ideally I want to continue to handle my own incoming Email because
  > I don't want someone else's spam blocking software deciding what
  > Emails I receive.

I don't know of freemail who allows that, unfortunately.  The closest
I know of is Google, as above.

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[Mailman-Users] Admin Panel Spam Filters: Filtering Message Body for Keywords?

[Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS]

Hello All,

**Question:  Is there a way to use [Spam filters] (or any other setting 
in the GUI admin panel) to filter for keywords in the body of the 
incoming email message?**


~~~
Looking for help on use of the "[Spam filters]" option under "Privacy 
Options...".


My situation is that I don't have access to the back-end to set up any 
more sophisticated filters (Dream Host) so I need to ONLY utilize tools 
available through the web GUI administrative panel.


Online examples of how to do this are strangely hard to find, other than 
discussions of how to look at headers for spam filter scores.


Somehow, a few months ago, I managed to find this example of how to 
filter an email subject line:


\nSubject: .*Jerusalem.*

Which we then Hold for moderation.

I would like to do the exact same thing for the body of the email 
message -- filter the message body for keywords.


Something like:

\nBody: .*Jerusalem.*

**Question:  Is there a way to use [Spam filters] (or any other setting 
in the GUI admin panel) to filter for keywords in the body of the 
incoming email message?**


Our use case is that we have a 20+ year tradition of allowing polite and 
respectful political discussion, but need to hold for moderation all 
messages on the Middle East situation due to it just being too 
explosively emotional for even psychotherapists to keep their sh*t together.


Thanks for any and all help!

-- Michael
https://www.clinicians-exchange.org
Professional discussion list for psychotherapists and mental health 
professionals.


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Admin Panel Spam Filters: Filtering Message Body for Keywords?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 4/14/24 08:34, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote:

Hello All,

**Question:  Is there a way to use [Spam filters] (or any other setting 
in the GUI admin panel) to filter for keywords in the body of the 
incoming email message?**



No. Those only filter against message headers, not the message body.

To filter based on the message body requires a custom handler. There is 
a FAQ artile at https://wiki.list.org/x/4030615 that discusses this, but


My situation is that I don't have access to the back-end to set up any 
more sophisticated filters (Dream Host) so I need to ONLY utilize tools 
available through the web GUI administrative panel.



implementing a custom handler requires more access than you have.


Online examples of how to do this are strangely hard to find, other than 
discussions of how to look at headers for spam filter scores.



In the GUI see Privacy options... -> Spam filters -> Details for 
header_filter_rules if you haven't already.



**Question:  Is there a way to use [Spam filters] (or any other setting 
in the GUI admin panel) to filter for keywords in the body of the 
incoming email message?**


No.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Create a list with multiple admins?

[Barry S. Finkel]

On 3/14/2024 8:56 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 3/14/24 06:15, Ralf Hildebrandt via Mailman-Users wrote:

Using mailman-2.6.x:


???


Is it possible to create a list (via CLI or the WUI) which has
multiple owner addresses?


The normal CLI and web UI for both MM 2.1 and MM 3 only allow creating a 
list with a single owner, but you can then add as many owners as you like.


For MM 2.1 you can do this in the web admin UI or via Mailman's 
bin/config_list or bin/withlist.


For Mailman 3 you can do it in Postorius or via the REST API (see 
).





For MM2, Mark gave me a patch to allow multiple owners;
only the first one in the string was checked.  But that
was not a problem for me.  Anyone who wants can contact me
off-list, and I will try to see if I have that patch in my
archives.  I no longer have access to that Mailman system.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Create a list with multiple admins?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 4/14/24 19:12, Barry S. Finkel wrote:


For MM2, Mark gave me a patch to allow multiple owners;
only the first one in the string was checked.  But that
was not a problem for me.  Anyone who wants can contact me
off-list, and I will try to see if I have that patch in my
archives.  I no longer have access to that Mailman system.


My post with the patch attached is at 
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/message/F225LUWUCCGDJVGALHCWBNJTARWDVO66/


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