[Mailman-Users] Attach footer only once?

[Tim Houseman]

Is it possible for footers to only be attached once? I am hosting a legal 
mailing list and their footer is quite long. We recently updated to Mailman 3 
and the list has become more active as a result but in that activity the users 
have noticed that the footer just continually stacks up at the bottom of 
subsequent emails. Is there any way to avoid this scenario? My google-fu has 
failed me and the only conversation relevant to this topic I've found here was 
related specifically to digests.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Attach footer only once?

[Carl Zwanzig]

On 2/8/2024 3:24 PM, Tim Houseman wrote:

Is it possible for footers to only be attached once? I am hosting a legal
mailing list and their footer is quite long. We recently updated to
Mailman 3 and the list has become more active as a result but in that
activity the users have noticed that the footer just continually stacks
up at the bottom of subsequent emails.
Generally that's because once you reply, what appears as a footer becomes 
part of the  message body. There may be a "plug-in" that will find and cut 
them out.


Is there any way to avoid this scenario? 


Teach the users to edit their postings? (Top-posting is a major contributing 
factor in this, and while it's common in business IMHO it's still bad form 
for many other reasons.)


Do you -need- such a long footer? Can you simply include a link to the 
disclaimer elsewhere?


BTW, there's a different mailing list for mailman3, might want to ask about 
it there.


Later,

z!
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Attach footer only once?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/8/24 15:24, Tim Houseman wrote:

Is it possible for footers to only be attached once? I am hosting a legal 
mailing list and their footer is quite long. We recently updated to Mailman 3 
and the list has become more active as a result but in that activity the users 
have noticed that the footer just continually stacks up at the bottom of 
subsequent emails. Is there any way to avoid this scenario?



The short answer is No.

The long answer is you have to train the list members to not top post 
and to only quote material which is necessary to establish context for 
the reply. This is particularly difficult as many freemail providers 
have UIs which encourage top posting and may even obscure the fact that 
they are including a quote of the entire message being replied to.


I have tried in the past to programmatically detect excessive quoting 
and hold such posts. This resulted in so much negative feedback that I 
gave up.


You could try putting a `-- ` line at the beginning of the footer to 
make it look like a signature. At least some MUAs do not include 
signatures in quoted material in replies.


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Attach footer only once?

[Dmitri Maziuk]

On 2/9/24 12:21, Mark Sapiro wrote:
...
You could try putting a `-- ` line at the beginning of the footer to 
make it look like a signature. At least some MUAs do not include 
signatures in quoted material in replies.


However if you have a signature and a footer, both delimited with "-- 
\n", what gets stripped off, if anything, is anybody's guess.

:(

Dima

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Attach footer only once?

[Barry S. Finkel]

On 2/9/2024 10:57 AM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:

On 2/8/2024 3:24 PM, Tim Houseman wrote:

Is it possible for footers to only be attached once? I am hosting a legal
mailing list and their footer is quite long. We recently updated to
Mailman 3 and the list has become more active as a result but in that
activity the users have noticed that the footer just continually stacks
up at the bottom of subsequent emails.
Generally that's because once you reply, what appears as a footer 
becomes part of the  message body. There may be a "plug-in" that will 
find and cut them out.


Is there any way to avoid this scenario? 


Teach the users to edit their postings? (Top-posting is a major 
contributing factor in this, and while it's common in business IMHO it's 
still bad form for many other reasons.)


Do you -need- such a long footer? Can you simply include a link to the 
disclaimer elsewhere?


BTW, there's a different mailing list for mailman3, might want to ask 
about it there.


Later,

z!
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The poster said that this the Mailman list is a legal list, and
legal firms have a habit of putting lots of "legalese" in the
footer of mail messages.  [Note that I nave removed the footer
from Carl's reply.]

--Barry Finkel

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[Mailman-Users] Attach footer only once?

[H Ian Zhang via Mailman-Users]

If there is a website associated with the mailing list, you could move the 
information that is currently contained in the footer to a dedicted page on 
that website and shorten the footer to a one-line reference, such as "Mailing 
list terms and conditions: see [insert link to website]". It would not 
eliminate the multiple footers but at least keep that tail short.

Also, if users create ever long messages by keeping whole threads attached to 
their replies, it suggests that there is insufficient understanding of the 
functionality of modern email softwware, which can show related messages 
grouped into threads. This is, of course, an organisational/educationl issue, 
not a technical one. (I would suggest that in the face of apparent problems - 
in general, not just with mailing lists - it is often more effective to develop 
organisational solutions rather than relying on technical fixes).

Ian


"Tim Houseman"  wrote:
>users have noticed that the footer just continually stacks up at the bottom 
>of subsequent emails. Is there any way to avoid this scenario?


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[Mailman-Users] Sorry about duplicate information

[H Ian Zhang via Mailman-Users]

Apologies for posting duplicate information.

I just received "Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 240, Issue 5" and see that my reply 
to Tim Houseman's message was unnecessary (duplicated information). Solution? 
As a digest reader, I need to wait with a reply until the next digest has come 
in... ;)

Ian


>Today's Topics:
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>   1. Re: Attach footer only once? (Carl Zwanzig)
>   2. Re: Attach footer only once? (Mark Sapiro)
>   3. Re: Attach footer only once? (Dmitri Maziuk)
>   4. Re: Attach footer only once? (Barry S. Finkel)
>   5. Attach footer only once? (H Ian Zhang)


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Sorry about duplicate information

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/9/24 16:24, H Ian Zhang via Mailman-Users wrote:


I just received "Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 240, Issue 5" and see that my reply 
to Tim Houseman's message was unnecessary (duplicated information). Solution? As a digest 
reader, I need to wait with a reply until the next digest has come in... ;)


Or check the archives at 
.


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