[Mailman-Users] Emails not being sent, but showing up in archives?

[Seeds of Success]

Hello, 

For the last two months or so, the emails that I send out on the mailman list 
do not get sent out to the subscribers, but do show up on the archived threads. 
I am not very mailman savvy, and have recently taken over admin roles from 
someone else. Any guidance on how I might address the issue would be 
appreciated!
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Emails not being sent, but showing up in archives?

[Odhiambo Washington]

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 12:15 PM Seeds of Success <
seedsofsuccess...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> For the last two months or so, the emails that I send out on the mailman
> list do not get sent out to the subscribers, but do show up on the archived
> threads. I am not very mailman savvy, and have recently taken over admin
> roles from someone else. Any guidance on how I might address the issue
> would be appreciated!
>

Hi,

You could look at the Mailman's log files located in ~list/logs/ (assuming
that Mailman is running as user "list") and also your MTA logs to see what
happened.


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[Mailman-Users] Emails not being sent, but showing up in archives?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Seeds of Success writes:

 > For the last two months or so, the emails that I send out on the
 > mailman list do not get sent out to the subscribers, but do show up
 > on the archived threads. I am not very mailman savvy, and have
 > recently taken over admin roles from someone else. Any guidance on
 > how I might address the issue would be appreciated!

1.  Have you tried restarting Mailman?
2.  If you did, and that didn't work, did you try rebooting?
3.  Is there anything in any of the queue directories
($var_dir/queue/*)?  $var_dir is often /var/lib/mailman, but other
directories are used.
If they are in .../shunt or in .../bad, there's something complex
going on, but if they're in the other queue directories restarting
Mailman should clear them out.
4.  Is your MTA running (if other mail is going out, it is)?
5.  Is mail piling up in the MTA queue (most mail systems have a
"mailq" command to check this)?
6.  Is it happening at a specific recipient domain?  Gmail (and maybe
other Google sites) are famous for suddenly deciding to eat all
your list mail without telling you.  They're not the only ones who
do it, just particularly famous.
7.  If you have a smarthost (outgoing mail gateway) configured, check
the same things as for 4 and 5.

There are other things to check but that should keep you busy for a
while.
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[Mailman-Users] confirm mails / administrative mails are discarded in mailman3

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Georg Schröder writes:

 > can someone explain this behaviour to me ?
 > 
 > - I upgraded from 3.3.5

This list is specific to Mailman 2.  Some of the Mailman developers
are reading it, but some don't, and the majority of Mailman 3 users
don't.  For broadest audience you should post Mailman 3 questions to
mailman-us...@mailman3.org.

 > to 3.3.9 recently, before that it was working

How did you upgrade?  If it was via a distro package you should ask
them too.

 > ==> mm/var/logs/mailman.log <==
 > Jan 02 12:35:18 2024 (27084) 
 > <787c5824ca33956449ba541547e2c...@posteo.de> Precedence: list message 
 > discarded by: testlist-dev1-request@x

Check the "vette" log and see if there's a reason there,

 > also when i do a subscription in the web-interface and uncheck the "Pre 
 > Confirm" checkbox, there is no confirmation request sent out.
 > welcome messages are sent out with this, also invitations )

Are any confirm messages being received for any subscription or
address confirmations?  If it's only for your domain, check your spam
filters.  They sometimes identify the one-time key as a spammer
device.

I don't know of any reason why Mailman would change in these ways,
I have several times experienced nondelivery issues when other
components of the mail system where upgraded at the same time.  Could
be Mailman, but nothing I've seen before.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: confirm mails / administrative mails are discarded in mailman3

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/2/24 4:01 AM, Georg Schröder wrote:

Hello,

can someone explain this behaviour to me ?

- I upgraded from 3.3.5 to 3.3.9 recently, before that it was working
- I send an administrative mail to my list (empty mail to 
testlist-dev1-join@DOMAIN)

- The message will be discarded, why ?

...


==> mm/var/logs/mailman.log <==
Jan 02 12:35:18 2024 (27084) 
<787c5824ca33956449ba541547e2c...@posteo.de> Precedence: list message 
discarded by: testlist-dev1-request@x



This is the reason. See 
. 
This code has been there since Mailman 3.0.


You are sending the mail with a `Precedence: list` header. An MUA 
composing a new message shouldn't be doing that.



also when i do a subscription in the web-interface and uncheck the "Pre 
Confirm" checkbox, there is no confirmation request sent out.

welcome messages are sent out with this, also invitations )



...

List-Settings:

...

subscription_policy:confirm


With subscription_policy:confirm and "Pre Confirm" unchecked in the Mass 
Subscription UI, a confirmation should be sent and responded to before 
the member is subscribed. Similarly if Invitation is checked, an 
invitation should be sent and responded to before the member is 
subscribed. I don't know why this wouldn't be the case.


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