[Mailman-Users] Re: Excessive or fatal bounces issue
Hello everyone, After a long time, we've finally managed to upgrade to the latest version of Mailman 2. Some of the original issues are resolved, thank you, but now we have different issues, more details below: I would like to ask you where the system gets the names you see in the "sent by" field, because sometimes the name doesn't make it clear who is sending the email and we would like to know if it is something we can control or change. Another question is where the system gets the name of the person who appears in the "reply to" field. I've already seen wrong/different than what was expected names twice using Mail on Macbook. The message is sent, for example, by Mario Rossi, and the system adds his email address to the cc. The problem is the reply-to field, because there one sees the name of, for example, Claudio Bianchi, which has nothing to do with this message and so I don't understand why his name appears above the general address of the mailing list. With MS Outlook instead what one sees in the sent-by field is the following: list name list-boun...@domain.ext on behalf of XXX via list name l...@domain.ext. Is it possible to have l...@domain.ext instead of list-boun...@domain.ext? If you have any hints for where to look or any ideas, it would be great. Thank you, Florin Pasăre, On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:50 PM Florin Pasăre wrote: > Hello and thank you. > I will forward these replies to the dev that manages the servers and see > if we can get an upgrade to the latest version of Mailman 2 and continue > from there. > Thank you again for your time. > > Florin Pasăre, > > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:26 AM Stephen J. Turnbull < > turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > >> Florin Pasăre writes: >> >> > Thank you for your response. I know we should upgrade, but because >> > of company policies this is not really an option at the moment, >> >> Like Carl and Mark, I strongly recommend upgrading to most recent >> Mailman 2. This is straightforward, and during the process you can >> get round-the-clock support here because everyone has done it several >> times. You don't need to get the attention of developers, community >> support is excellent. >> >> You do not have to worry about losing archives from a Mailman 2 >> upgrade, because the archival format is just the mbox that your MTA >> produces for you. The web pages are a presentation that can be >> rebuilt (at some cost in time) at any time. In fact, the most recent >> month's pages are rebuilt from mboxes every day by a cron job. Even >> the URLs of individual messages remain the same (unless you edit the >> mbox by removing or reordering messages). (If you use an alternative >> to the bundled "Pipermail" archiver, you still probably have all the >> mboxes somewhere in the system, but you should check that.) >> >> > at least not an upgrade to Mailman 3. >> >> That is a project that will require some planning in any case. You >> can preserve the mbox files (and even leave the old Mailman 2 archive >> CGIs running), and in that sense you won't lose archives. However, >> the version of the Python email package in Python 3 does not cope well >> with some of the weird things you find in Mailman 2, and we have not >> yet learned how to catch and repair all of them at import time. Also, >> importing messages into HyperKitty changes all the message URLs >> (completely different format based on hashed Message-IDs rather than >> serial number). So you probably should think in terms of a man-week >> for planning, and a man-week or so for execution, anyway. >> >> I recommend you start "softening up" the CIO for a migration in a year >> or two. Eventually it's going to become painful to maintain Python 2 >> applications because even the oldest LTS distributions don't provide >> old system libraries needed by Python 2, or because QA or CISO says >> you can't use them any more because they're too old/vulnerable. >> >> Steve >> > -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Web page hosts that offer Mailman
Hi Bob, MailmanLists has been working well for us. You can reach out to them via https://www.mailmanlists.net/ Patricia Traore Maniflex Ltd | maniflexa.com On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 8:42 AM Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 11/21/2023 6:35 AM, Robert A. Hamilton wrote: > > Any suggestions? > > Sure, check the FAQ for "Mailman hosting services" > (https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services); also this has > been > covered in the list archives more than a couple of times (links in the > footer). > > Later, > > z! > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ > Member address: patriciatra...@gmail.com > -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Sharing PHP or Scripts to a list
Hi All, I hope that I'm asking in the right place. We have just created a developers discussion public list in our organization with over 47 subscribers. My question is, in case someone shares some php codes in his message, will that code affect the corresponding html page of that message, while browsing the archive of messages publicly from a web browser? Or will pipermail instead display the shared codes as plain text? Thanks, Patricia Traore Project Lead, Maniflex Ltd | maniflexa.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Sharing PHP or Scripts to a list
On 11/22/23 03:10, patricia traore wrote: Hi All, I hope that I'm asking in the right place. We have just created a developers discussion public list in our organization with over 47 subscribers. My question is, in case someone shares some php codes in his message, will that code affect the corresponding html page of that message, while browsing the archive of messages publicly from a web browser? Or will pipermail instead display the shared codes as plain text? The web page created by pipermail encloses the body of the message in a ... block and html escapes it so any PHP, html tags, etc. will be displayed as written. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Sharing PHP or Scripts to a list
On 11/22/23 10:33, Mark Sapiro wrote: ... The web page created by pipermail encloses the body of the message in a ... block and html escapes it so any PHP, html tags, etc. will be displayed as written. You could probably disable php handler in archives dir in the httpd config too, for the belt-and-suspenders approach, though the exact details would depend on whether it's on-prem, the versions and software used, etc. etc. Dima -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Excessive or fatal bounces issue
On 11/22/23 4:03 AM, Florin Pasăre wrote: I would like to ask you where the system gets the names you see in the "sent by" field, because sometimes the name doesn't make it clear who is sending the email and we would like to know if it is something we can control or change. Another question is where the system gets the name of the person who appears in the "reply to" field. There are lots of possibilities here depending on your list's settings and the MUA you use to read the mail. If you are applying DMARC Munge From mitigations to the mail, a message which is `From: Joe User ` sent to `l...@example.net` will have it's From: changed to `From: Joe User via Listname `. If there is no display name in the original From: and u...@example.com is a list member, that member's name from the list membership is used unless the member has no name entry. Otherwise, the local part of the email address is used as in `From: user--- via Listname `. See https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py#L137 for details. In this case, the original From: is added to Cc: or Reply-To: depending on list settings. See https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py#L193 for details. If the list is not applying DMARC Munge From mitigations to the mail the From: is not changed and nothing is added to Cc: or Reply-To:. Other things might be done to Reply-To: depending on the list's General Options first_strip_reply_to, reply_goes_to_list and reply_to_address settings. I've already seen wrong/different than what was expected names twice using Mail on Macbook. Various MUAs have their own rules for what they display as the message sender which may not be the literal value in From:. The message is sent, for example, by Mario Rossi, and the system adds his email address to the cc. The problem is the reply-to field, because there one sees the name of, for example, Claudio Bianchi, which has nothing to do with this message and so I don't understand why his name appears above the general address of the mailing list. With MS Outlook instead what one sees in the sent-by field is the following: list name list-boun...@domain.ext on behalf of XXX via list name l...@domain.ext. Is it possible to have l...@domain.ext instead of list-boun...@domain.ext? See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030534 particularly the note at the bottom of the page. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
