[Mailman-Users] Re: Python 2.7.15, etc, vs Python3...

[Richard]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2023, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:



Python 2 and Python 3 are enough different to effectively be
different languages.


BTW, there is a python2 to 3 converter, 


There's also this project:

https://github.com/jaredmauch/mailman2-python3/


-Jim P.



Now that Jared Mauch (I presume), is a man with a good plan! ;-)


(Maybe! How do we know they won't abandon Python3 like they did Python2? I 
mean, whatever happened to Python1?! Why isn't it just "Python"?)


Thanks, Jim, for pointing this out!

R
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Signature issue - was Re: Re: Where's the installation directions / source, etc, please?

[Juergen Dollinger]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> gpg --receive-keys 953B8693

I never needed that key because I use the Debian Package, but there
seems to be something wrong with the key (or the keyserver
keys.openpgp.org):

$ gpg --receive-keys 953B8693
gpg: keyserver receive failed: No data

And if I try the long key-ID (which is generally recommended):

$ gpg --receive-keys 555B975E953B8693
gpg: key 555B975E953B8693: new key but contains no user ID - skipped
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:   w/o user IDs: 1


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Python 2.7.15, etc, vs Python3...

[Russell Clemings]

Interesting guy, if this is him:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/08/man-who-built-isp-instead-of-paying-comcast-50k-expands-to-hundreds-of-homes/

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 6:40 AM  wrote:

>
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2023, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
> >>
> >>> Python 2 and Python 3 are enough different to effectively be
> >>> different languages.
> >>
> >> BTW, there is a python2 to 3 converter,
> >
> > There's also this project:
> >
> > https://github.com/jaredmauch/mailman2-python3/
> >
> >
> > -Jim P.
> >
>
> Now that Jared Mauch (I presume), is a man with a good plan! ;-)
>
>
> (Maybe! How do we know they won't abandon Python3 like they did Python2? I
> mean, whatever happened to Python1?! Why isn't it just "Python"?)
>
> Thanks, Jim, for pointing this out!
>
> R
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[Mailman-Users] Hyperkitty Archived

[Mark Labeste]

Can someone help on hiperkitty archived. Email are reaching to mailling list 
email address but thread is not showing in archive web page.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Signature issue - was Re: Re: Where's the installation directions / source, etc, please?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 7/18/23 06:44, Juergen Dollinger wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:

gpg --receive-keys 953B8693


I never needed that key because I use the Debian Package, but there
seems to be something wrong with the key (or the keyserver
keys.openpgp.org):


I was able to retrieve my key from keys.openpgp.org using the full 
fingerprint 'C638CAEF0AC21563736B5A22555B975E953B8693'.


In any case, I just uploaded an updated key to that server.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Python 2.7.15, etc, vs Python3...

[Carl Zwanzig]

On 7/18/2023 6:39 AM, rich...@karmannghia.org wrote:

Why isn't it just "Python"?


Werlll...

https://www.pluralsight.com/resources/blog/cloud/the-story-of-python-2-and-3
"Python 3 exists because Guido saw areas of the language that needed some 
improvements and the changes couldn’t be made with backward compatibility in 
mind."

(This wisdom of that has been hotly debated.)

Mind that there is -quite- a lot of p2 code out there that will never be 
changed. There are also a lot of hard feelings about the incompatibilities, 
and I know several companies that elected to rewrite into Rust or Go (or 
other languages) instead of to p3.


Having said that, IMHO it's not really on-topic for this list.

Later,

z!
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Hyperkitty Archived

[Mark Sapiro]

On 7/17/23 21:39, Mark Labeste wrote:

Can someone help on hiperkitty archived. Email are reaching to mailling list 
email address but thread is not showing in archive web page.



This list is for Mailman 2.1 To follow up, please join the 
mailman-us...@mailman3.org list at 
 
and post there. That is the appropriate list for Mailman 
3/Postorius/HyperKitty.


Things to check are errors in Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log and whether 
messages are queued in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory.


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Where's the installation directions / source, etc, please?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Steven Jones writes:

 > I feel the same way, hence still running Mailman2 (on RHEL8). It is
 > simple and low CPU hit, however Red Hat stops it support in May
 > 2024.

That's fine with us.  Mailman 2 is pretty bulletproof and low-
maintenance from our point of view too.

 > Containers are really useful where done well but I tried 2 or
 > times to get mailman3 going on RHEL9 with podman and even docker
 > and failed.

Not sure what containers have to do with anything, to be honest.  In
any case, we don't really support containers AIUI.  Abhilash provides
multiple containers in a configuration that's convenient for him to
distribute, but the container environment isn't something we support,
nor can we.  A lot of people have difficulty configuring the network
with multiple containers.

I would recommend configuring everything (except perhaps the database)
in a single "host" (hardware, VM, or container), unless you're willing
to take on all that complexity.

 > I think Debian12 does mailman3? worth a go if so.  In my case I am
 > not allowed to run an unsupported OS and app.

Current Debian is pretty close to most recent release (maybe at this
point it is the most recent release).  But as you say, if you need a
supported OS, you're probably going to end up with a pretty old
version of Mailman.

Steve

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