[Mailman-Users] Re: restoring a deleted list

[Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users]

Thanks (as usual!) Mark!

On Oct 19, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Mark Sapiro 
mailto:m...@msapiro.net>> wrote:

On 10/19/22 14:58, Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users wrote:
I can access the admin login page after doing that but trying to get into the 
list after entering the password I get
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.29
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
...
There’s no error in he web logs, but this is in the mailman error log
Oct 19 14:45:13 2022 (495303) Failed config.pck write, retaining old state.
[Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU.495303'


You have a permissions error. Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/lists/ and 
/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/ should be `rwxrwsr-x` and permissions on 
/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck should be `rw-rw. The owner 
is not important, but the group must be the group mailman runs as.

Mailman's `bin/check_perms -f` run as root should fix this.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

[Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS]

Dima,

Well, no, I'm not sure...  This would be something approaching ironic.  
The group started out on Yahoo Groups, was there for 19 years, then its 
Yahoo that starts filtering the same group name they allowed for two 
decades.


Wow.

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*Michael Reeder, LCPC
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On 10/19/2022 6:19 PM, dmitri maziuk wrote:

On 2022-10-19 3:44 PM, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote:
*It looks like AOL is now automatically adding our Clinicians 
Exchange list messages to the Spam Folder.


Are you sure it's not filtering on "s-ex"?

Dima


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[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

[Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS]

Mark,

Highly appreciated!  I'll work on figuring this out when I have a 
moment.  They sure are not making this easy for volunteer administrators 
with full-time jobs.


Mark Wrote:
I see from your posts in the thread at 
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/thread/W2D3ISFWJ4MZ6ATYXPWY3DS7QOYB2RFG/ 
that you are DKIM signing your mail and have SPF. You should also ensure 
you have full circle DNS 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-confirmed_reverse_DNS.



*Michael Reeder, LCPC
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[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

[Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS]

I Wrote:
"Happily -- this seems a pretty easy fix (unspam our list email address 
once)."


Now I'm getting reports back that AOL (@yahoo.com mail accounts not yet 
a problem) don't always follow their own guidance and sometimes continue 
to spam our email address even after it has been marked as OK multiple 
times.  In my own AOL test account, marking our list email address as OK 
has worked perfectly so far.


I'm now suggesting that people also make filter rules to move incoming 
list emails into a Clinicians Exchange subfolder.  Will see if that 
works...



*Michael Reeder, LCPC
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On 10/19/2022 4:44 PM, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote:
*It looks like AOL is now automatically adding our Clinicians Exchange 
list messages to the Spam Folder. * I don't know yet if this is 
happening for all AOL members.


When I created an AOL account today, it did this from moment one.

I just individually emailed all our AOL members from outside the list 
with directions on how to get into their Spam Folder.   They need to 
click the checkbox to the left of messages that are not spam, then 
click on the "OK" icon above the message list and they will be moved 
to the inbox.  Supposedly this will stop them from being spammed in 
the future.


I see no way to create a safe list or white list in AOL.  The option 
also does not exist in their filters option.

*
*All AOL member email addresses remain in good standing in our 
Clinicians Exchange member database (they have not been deactivated).  
When I look at our bounce messages, AOL is sending us nothing to tell 
us they are spamming or discarding our list messages, so I have no 
feedback from them to know what setting changes would stop this from 
happening.


*Happily -- this seems a pretty easy fix (unspam our list email 
address once).  Not happily, people still on AOL are not very 
technically-minded generally and lots of our members are in their 70s 
and 80s.**

*
Thanks,
Michael
moderat...@clinicians-exchange.org


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[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

[Dmitri Maziuk]

On 10/20/2022 12:13 PM, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote:

Dima,

Well, no, I'm not sure...  This would be something approaching ironic. 
The group started out on Yahoo Groups, was there for 19 years, then its 
Yahoo that starts filtering the same group name they allowed for two 
decades.


Granted, it's not as bad as bayesexchsnge that one statistics professor 
at $work[-1] wanted -- for "Bayes exchange", -- but still, the chastity 
filters are artificially inteligent and machine-learned these days so...


Dima
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