[Mailman-Users] AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

2022-10-19 Thread Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS 
*It looks like AOL is now automatically adding our Clinicians Exchange 
list messages to the Spam Folder. * I don't know yet if this is 
happening for all AOL members.


When I created an AOL account today, it did this from moment one.

I just individually emailed all our AOL members from outside the list 
with directions on how to get into their Spam Folder.   They need to 
click the checkbox to the left of messages that are not spam, then click 
on the "OK" icon above the message list and they will be moved to the 
inbox.  Supposedly this will stop them from being spammed in the future.


I see no way to create a safe list or white list in AOL.  The option 
also does not exist in their filters option.

*
*All AOL member email addresses remain in good standing in our 
Clinicians Exchange member database (they have not been deactivated).  
When I look at our bounce messages, AOL is sending us nothing to tell us 
they are spamming or discarding our list messages, so I have no feedback 
from them to know what setting changes would stop this from happening.


*Happily -- this seems a pretty easy fix (unspam our list email address 
once).  Not happily, people still on AOL are not very technically-minded 
generally and lots of our members are in their 70s and 80s.**

*
Thanks,
Michael
moderat...@clinicians-exchange.org

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[Mailman-Users] Re: restoring a deleted list

2022-10-19 Thread Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users 
I can access the admin login page after doing that but trying to get into the 
list after entering the password I get

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.29

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the 
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs or the web server 
logs.

There’s no error in he web logs, but this is in the mailman error log

Oct 19 14:45:13 2022 (495303) Failed config.pck write, retaining old state.
[Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU.495303'
Oct 19 14:45:13 2022 admin(495303): 
admin(495303): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.29 -]
admin(495303): [- Traceback --]
admin(495303): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(495303):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 117, in run_main
admin(495303): main()
admin(495303):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 251, in main
admin(495303): mlist.Save()
admin(495303):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 613, in Save
admin(495303): self.__save(dict)
admin(495303):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 568, in 
__save
admin(495303): fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w')
admin(495303): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU.495303'
admin(495303): [- Python Information -]
admin(495303): sys.version =   2.7.18 (default, May 10 2022, 23:39:58)
[GCC 8.5.0 20210514 (Red Hat 8.5.0-10)]
admin(495303): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python2
admin(495303): sys.prefix  =   /usr
admin(495303): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(495303): sys.path=   ['/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib', 
'/usr/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/mailman/scripts', '/usr/lib/mailman', 
'/usr/lib/python27.zip', '/usr/lib64/python2.7', 
'/usr/lib64/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-tk', 
'/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-dynload', 
'/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages']
admin(495303): sys.platform=   linux2
admin(495303): [- Environment Variables -]
admin(495303): CONTENT_LENGTH: 39
admin(495303): HTTPS: on
admin(495303): HTTP_COOKIE:
admin(495303): SERVER_NAME: 
lists.pharmacy.arizona.edu
admin(495303): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(495303): PYTHONPATH: /usr/lib/mailman
admin(495303): REMOTE_ADDR: 128.196.45.237
admin(495303): REQUEST_SCHEME: https
admin(495303): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(495303): REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(495303): SERVER_PORT: 443
admin(495303): HTTP_HOST: 
lists.pharmacy.arizona.edu
admin(495303): PATH_INFO: /kappapsi_grad
admin(495303): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(495303): REMOTE_PORT: 51907
admin(495303): QUERY_STRING:
admin(495303): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/kappapsi_grad
admin(495303): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html

But afaik the permissions are correct:

ls -laR /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/
/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/:
total 52
drwxr-sr-x   2 mailman mailman24 Oct 19 14:33 .
drwxrwsr-x 105 rootmailman  8192 Oct 19 14:32 ..
-rw-r-   1 mailman mailman 36911 Oct 19 14:33 config.pck

versus a working list:

ls -laR /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi/
/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi/:
total 104
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman mailman   258 Oct 19 04:30 .
drwxrwsr-x 105 rootmailman  8192 Oct 19 14:32 ..
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman  1706 Jan 29  2001 admindbpreamble.html
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman 12557 Aug 12  2005 config.db
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman 12557 Aug 11  2005 config.db.last
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman 11653 Oct 19 04:30 config.pck
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman 11653 Oct 18 13:07 config.pck.last
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman   189 Jan 29  2001 handle_opts.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman  3136 Jan 29  2001 listinfo.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman  4106 Jan 29  2001 options.html
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman   391 Oct 12 20:58 pending.pck
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman20 Oct 12 21:01 request.pck
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman  1169 Jan 29  2001 roster.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman   185 Jan 29  2001 subscribe.html

Restarting the server did not work.

On Oct 18, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Mark Sapiro 
mailto:m...@msapiro.net>> wrote:

On 10/18/22 16:45, Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users wrote:
How can I restore the list? Is it just a matter of creating a new list with the 
old name, then replacing the files in that directory with the archived ones? Or 
will just restprign the directory to /var/lib/mailman/lists suffice? It was not 
being archived so that is not an issue.

Do not create a list. All you need to do is restore 
/var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNA

[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

2022-10-19 Thread dmitri maziuk 

On 2022-10-19 3:44 PM, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote:
*It looks like AOL is now automatically adding our Clinicians Exchange 
list messages to the Spam Folder.


Are you sure it's not filtering on "s-ex"?

Dima

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[Mailman-Users] Re: restoring a deleted list

2022-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro 

On 10/19/22 14:58, Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users wrote:

I can access the admin login page after doing that but trying to get into the 
list after entering the password I get

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.29

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

...

There’s no error in he web logs, but this is in the mailman error log

Oct 19 14:45:13 2022 (495303) Failed config.pck write, retaining old state.
[Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU.495303'



You have a permissions error. Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/lists/ and 
/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/ should be `rwxrwsr-x` and 
permissions on /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck should be 
`rw-rw. The owner is not important, but the group must be the group 
mailman runs as.


Mailman's `bin/check_perms -f` run as root should fix this.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

2022-10-19 Thread Robert Heller 
You should be aware that AOL is Yahoo.  So what is really happening is *Yahoo 
Mail* is doing this.  Yahoo bought AOL, Verizon bought Yahoo, and then Verizon 
sold Yahoo to a holding company.


At Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:44:14 -0400 Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS 
 wrote:

> 
> *It looks like AOL is now automatically adding our Clinicians Exchange 
> list messages to the Spam Folder. * I don't know yet if this is 
> happening for all AOL members.
> 
> When I created an AOL account today, it did this from moment one.
> 
> I just individually emailed all our AOL members from outside the list 
> with directions on how to get into their Spam Folder.   They need to 
> click the checkbox to the left of messages that are not spam, then click 
> on the "OK" icon above the message list and they will be moved to the 
> inbox.  Supposedly this will stop them from being spammed in the future.
> 
> I see no way to create a safe list or white list in AOL.  The option 
> also does not exist in their filters option.
> *
> *All AOL member email addresses remain in good standing in our 
> Clinicians Exchange member database (they have not been deactivated).  
> When I look at our bounce messages, AOL is sending us nothing to tell us 
> they are spamming or discarding our list messages, so I have no feedback 
> from them to know what setting changes would stop this from happening.
> 
> *Happily -- this seems a pretty easy fix (unspam our list email address 
> once).  Not happily, people still on AOL are not very technically-minded 
> generally and lots of our members are in their 70s and 80s.**
> *
> Thanks,
> Michael
> moderat...@clinicians-exchange.org
> 
> -- 
> *Michael Reeder, LCPC
> *
> *Hygeia Counseling Services : Baltimore / Mt. Washington Village location*
> *410-871-TALK / michael(at)hygeiacounseling.com*
> *http://www.hygeiacounseling.com - main website.
> *
> **
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[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

2022-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro 

On 10/19/22 13:44, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote:

*All AOL member email addresses remain in good standing in our 
Clinicians Exchange member database (they have not been deactivated). 
When I look at our bounce messages, AOL is sending us nothing to tell us 
they are spamming or discarding our list messages, so I have no feedback 
from them to know what setting changes would stop this from happening.



They are not bouncing the messages, they are just filing them as spam. 
They will not tell you anything as to why as they consider this 
proprietary information that will help spammers.


I see from your posts in the thread at 
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/thread/W2D3ISFWJ4MZ6ATYXPWY3DS7QOYB2RFG/ 
that you are DKIM signing your mail and have SPF. You should also ensure 
you have full circle DNS 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-confirmed_reverse_DNS.


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[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

2022-10-19 Thread Carl Zwanzig 

On 10/19/2022 5:26 PM, Robert Heller wrote:

You should be aware that AOL is Yahoo.  So what is really happening is *Yahoo
Mail* is doing this.  Yahoo bought AOL, Verizon bought Yahoo, and then Verizon
sold Yahoo to a holding company.


Did they merge the email systems?

z!
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[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

2022-10-19 Thread Mark Sapiro 

On 10/19/22 17:47, Carl Zwanzig wrote:

On 10/19/2022 5:26 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
You should be aware that AOL is Yahoo.  So what is really happening is 
*Yahoo
Mail* is doing this.  Yahoo bought AOL, Verizon bought Yahoo, and then 
Verizon

sold Yahoo to a holding company.


Did they merge the email systems?

Yes, AOL's email is Yahoo.

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