[Mailman-Users] Re: group mismatch
I would like to thank everyone for all the ideas about my group-mismatch problem. As it happens, nothing helped. Moreover, almost all of the speculations about what I was doing or not doing, using or not using, know or do not know, were incorrect. I found another way to fix the main problem, which was, in any case, not all that serious. I am not going to respond anymore to this thread. -- Jonathan Baron, Professor of Psychology, University of Pennsylvania Home page: https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: group mismatch
Ah so… You found another way to fix the main problem - but you do not tell us? You know that in a mailing list everyone should help if he can and not only consume? So then, please unsubscribe here. Thank you Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org > Am 17.05.2022 um 11:02 schrieb Jon Baron : > > I would like to thank everyone for all the ideas about my > group-mismatch problem. > > As it happens, nothing helped. Moreover, almost all of the > speculations about what I was doing or not doing, using or not using, > know or do not know, were incorrect. > > I found another way to fix the main problem, which was, in any case, > not all that serious. > > I am not going to respond anymore to this thread. > -- > Jonathan Baron, Professor of Psychology, University of Pennsylvania > Home page: https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ >https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: group mismatch
Christian Buser via Mailman-Users writes: > You know that in a mailing list everyone should help if he can and > not only consume? Technically correct, but please don't be so antagonistic. > So then, please unsubscribe here. What you do with your own filters is your business, but for the mailing list this is outright wrong. Mailing lists are easy to abuse, as we all know. We put a lot of effort into minimizing the damage and closing as many vulnerabilities as we can, but the bad folks are out there developing new ones 9-5 every day, and some of them can't be closed without destroying Mailman's main feature: the convenient discoverable interface for managing list mail flows. I hope that every Mailman 2 admin is subscribing and continues to subscribe to this list, so that we can help them serve the subscribers, and when necessary address vulnerabilities and help them upgrade. Steve -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: group mismatch
In view of Stephen Turnbull's comments, I changed my mind and will respond to the list. I was the "original poster" (OP?) about the strange "group mismatch" error in my log. It complained about the user "baron" (my own account on the server) not matching the required list of groups. Several people made suggestions about where "baron" was coming from: usually saying that baron was an owner of one file or another file that was trying to send something to mailman. None of these suggestions was correct. The only "baron" that had anything to do with the mailing was as a moderator/owner, and the other moderator/owner was never mentioned in the error message. Thus, the original problem is, and will remain, unsolved. What I was trying to do was very specific to my setup. It was Fedora, not Debian. And I was using the mailman RPM (2.1.34-3), without the patches that have been recommended since then, since the layout is very different from what you get if you install from source. And I did not want to install from source while everything is running, and working quite well. I don't have the time for that anyway, and certainly not to switch to Mailman 3, which does not seem particularly helpful for the sort of very mundane things we do. Thus, I am errant and untypical, so my problem and any solution to it would probably be of little use to others. I should not have posted. (What encouraged me were other posts about group mismatch, going back several years, none of which helped solve my problem.) The problem was spam coming to jdm-society-owner. Some of this was NOT the result of trying to submit to the list. Some people just had the idea that this was a good place to send spam (along with other addresses on the server like webmaster). It isn't that bad. I just delete it. But I'm trying another solution. It seems that -owner is used by mailman only to send mail to the list owners, e.g., when someone submits something to the list. So I replaced this line in /etc/aliases jdm-society-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner jdm-society" with jdm-society-owner: "|/usr/bin/procmail /etc/procmailrc" (I might try the -m after procmail, but I do other addresses without it, like "webmaster", and that works.) Then in /etc/procmailrc, I say (and this is new): :0 * To:.*jdm-society-ow...@sjdm.org ! [address of owner 1],[address of owner 2] This came after a lot of spam filtering in /etc/procmailrc, not just by spamassassin but also by various words that need not be spam to anyone else but are perfect indicators for us, e.g., "purchase". I check the spam file every day or two. Note that, if anything arrives at -owner from a list post, it is already submitted and waiting for approval in /var/lib/mailman/data I don't know if this works yet. If it does, it should largely solve the problem. We will still get some spam posts to the lists, but they are a drop in the bucket of other stuff that we need to reject even though it isn't spam. If it doesn't work, I'll just go back to rejecting the spam by hand. Jon -- Jonathan Baron, Professor of Psychology, University of Pennsylvania Home page: https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron Founding Editor: Judgment and Decision Making (http://journal.sjdm.org) -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
