[Mailman-Users] Re: Automate Moderator Functions
Hi!
I'm testing the migration of my mailman2 lists to mailman3.
Had made the adjustment below to discard messages larger than the list
size limit. But I'm having difficulties to implement the same solution
in mailman3. How could I do this?
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Em 05/09/2016 13:16, Andre de Azevedo Cunha escreveu:
> Mark,
>
> i solved like this:
>
> REPLACED THIS:
>
> #default action (moderate)
> #hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata,
> # MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size))
>
> FOR THIS:
>
> #auto rejecting emails bigger then max_message_size
> f_log=open('/var/log/mailman/reject','a')
> f_log.write('Message from %s to %s rejected. Size exceed: %s KB\n'%
> (sender, listname, bodylen/1024))
> f_log.close()
> rej2="Our message was rejected because is bigger then list max value (
> %s KB ), please reduce the message to bellow of %s KB and try again"%
> (bodylen/1024, mlist.max_message_size)
> raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej2
>
> Thanks for your support and availability.
>
> Regards,
>
> ---
>
> Em 05/09/2016 12:57, Mark Sapiro escreveu:
>
> On 09/05/2016 07:10 AM, Andre de Azevedo Cunha wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> the important to me is reject emails to the lists bigger then the value set
> in
> MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE in the list`s config. The default behavior is moderate this
> message, what don`t solve me problem. Exist one way to do this?
> I understand what you are trying to do and what you have done should
> work. As I said in my prior reply
>
> Em 03/09/2016 13:00, Mark Sapiro escreveu:
>
> On 09/02/2016 01:45 PM, Andre de Azevedo Cunha wrote:
> The message was rejected, but the sender dont receive any notify about
> that. The mailman vette log too. How can i solve this?
>
> Logging for rejected messages was added in 2.1.16. See
> . Prior to that, there
> won't be a vette log entry.
>
> I don't know why there isn't a notice to the user. Is there anything in
> Mailman's error log?
>
> As a test, add some nonmember address to the list's
> reject_these_nonmembers and send a post from that address. Does that
> receive a rejection notice?
In order to help further, I need more information. Did you look in
Mailman's error log? Did you do the test suggested above?
Send me off list a copy of your modified Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py module
and I'll look at it to see if there is a problem there.
Also, if you want rejections to be logged in vette, you can apply the
attached patch to Mailman/Queue/IncommingRunner.py.
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman3 - scrub_nondigest equivalent
Hi! How can i turn attachments into links in mailman3? In mailman2 has the option scrub_nondigest, and its make this perfectily. -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] List default options on mailman3
The mailman3 config has equivalent options for those of mailman2? ## Archive options # # List traffic archival policies. # Is archive file source for public or private archival? # # legal values are: # 0 = "public" # 1 = "private" archive_private = 1 (Or any way to disable the list archive for default in entire site) # When a new member is subscribed, their initial moderation flag takes # its value from this option. Turn this option off to accept member # postings by default. Turn this option on to, by default, moderate # member postings first. You can always manually set an individual # member's moderation bit by using the membership management screens. # # legal values are: # 0 = "No" # 1 = "Yes" default_member_moderation = 1 Att, -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Automate Moderator Functions
On 4/14/22 10:29, Andre de Azevedo Cunha wrote:
Hi!
I'm testing the migration of my mailman2 lists to mailman3.
Had made the adjustment below to discard messages larger than the list
size limit. But I'm having difficulties to implement the same solution
in mailman3. How could I do this?
something like
```
diff --git a/src/mailman/chains/builtin.py b/src/mailman/chains/builtin.py
index ecb56d67f..ba3a3b4bc 100644
--- a/src/mailman/chains/builtin.py
+++ b/src/mailman/chains/builtin.py
@@ -59,7 +59,7 @@ class BuiltInChain:
('administrivia', LinkAction.defer, None),
('implicit-dest', LinkAction.defer, None),
('max-recipients', LinkAction.defer, None),
-('max-size', LinkAction.defer, None),
+('max-size', LinkAction.jump, 'reject'),
('news-moderation', LinkAction.defer, None),
('no-subject', LinkAction.defer, None),
('digests', LinkAction.defer, None),
diff --git a/src/mailman/rules/max_size.py b/src/mailman/rules/max_size.py
index 50de9ff5d..53cb3ae50 100644
--- a/src/mailman/rules/max_size.py
+++ b/src/mailman/rules/max_size.py
@@ -65,7 +65,9 @@ class MaximumSize:
with _.defer_translation():
# This will be translated at the point of use.
msgdata.setdefault('moderation_reasons', []).append(
-(_('The message is larger than the {} KB maximum
size'),
- mlist.max_message_size))
+(_('Your message was rejected because is bigger
than the '
+ 'list max value ({} Kb), please reduce the
message to '
+ 'below {} KB and try again.').format(
+ test_size, mlist.max_message_size)))
return True
return False
```
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman3 - scrub_nondigest equivalent
On 4/14/22 10:38, Andre de Azevedo Cunha wrote: Hi! How can i turn attachments into links in mailman3? In mailman2 has the option scrub_nondigest, and its make this perfectily. Mailman 3 currently has no similar feature. There is a scrubber for plain text digests which replaces non-plain-text parts with notes like A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... Name: $filename Type: $ctype Size: $size bytes Desc: $desc but it does not store them aside, and there is no option to apply this to individual messages. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Automate Moderator Functions
The change works, the message was discarted, but the sender dont
received the notify. I`m trying to understand why.
Att,
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Em 14/04/2022 15:21, Mark Sapiro escreveu:
> On 4/14/22 10:29, Andre de Azevedo Cunha wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'm testing the migration of my mailman2 lists to mailman3.
>> Had made the adjustment below to discard messages larger than the list
>> size limit. But I'm having difficulties to implement the same solution
>> in mailman3. How could I do this?
>
> something like
> ```
> diff --git a/src/mailman/chains/builtin.py b/src/mailman/chains/builtin.py
> index ecb56d67f..ba3a3b4bc 100644
> --- a/src/mailman/chains/builtin.py
> +++ b/src/mailman/chains/builtin.py
> @@ -59,7 +59,7 @@ class BuiltInChain:
> ('administrivia', LinkAction.defer, None),
> ('implicit-dest', LinkAction.defer, None),
> ('max-recipients', LinkAction.defer, None),
> -('max-size', LinkAction.defer, None),
> +('max-size', LinkAction.jump, 'reject'),
> ('news-moderation', LinkAction.defer, None),
> ('no-subject', LinkAction.defer, None),
> ('digests', LinkAction.defer, None),
> diff --git a/src/mailman/rules/max_size.py b/src/mailman/rules/max_size.py
> index 50de9ff5d..53cb3ae50 100644
> --- a/src/mailman/rules/max_size.py
> +++ b/src/mailman/rules/max_size.py
> @@ -65,7 +65,9 @@ class MaximumSize:
> with _.defer_translation():
> # This will be translated at the point of use.
> msgdata.setdefault('moderation_reasons', []).append(
> -(_('The message is larger than the {} KB maximum size'),
> - mlist.max_message_size))
> +(_('Your message was rejected because is bigger than the
> '
> + 'list max value ({} Kb), please reduce the message to
> '
> + 'below {} KB and try again.').format(
> + test_size, mlist.max_message_size)))
> return True
> return False
> ```
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Automate Moderator Functions
On 4/14/22 12:11, Andre de Azevedo Cunha wrote: The change works, the message was discarted, but the sender dont received the notify. I`m trying to understand why. The message should be returned to the sender with notice as to why. Is it possible it was discarded for some other reason? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] The Hotmail complaint saga continues
Hi, Last week I wrote this list about a situation where I'd received an Email from st...@hotmail.com with the subject, "complaint about message from MYI.PAD.DRE.SS." Then later I received a second such message, identified both complainants as the same person, let her know she'd be put on No Mail if she did it again, and received a response from her saying she's never marked one of my messages as spam or junk. The other night I received a third such complaint, duly put her on No Mail, and sent her an Email about it. At that point, I was pretty sure these complaints were being generated by some automated process, since they always came in within two to four minutes of the original messages going out. However, this theory was somewhat squashed when she supposedly complained about the very message telling her that due to complaints she was on No Mail…then responded, indicating she has COVID-19 and is putting off everything not critical until later. I sent that message yesterday morning, and the complaint came in this evening, with her response coming about twenty minutes later. This makes me think she's doing something to cause a complaint to be generated, and doesn't realize she's doing it. My questions are as follows: 1. Is Linode, my VPS provider, also receiving these complaints? If so, I'm surprised they haven't at least sent me a notice telling me about them. 2. Does anyone know if having received these complaints might cause Microsoft to be more likely to add my IP to their infamous block list? If they do, I'm going to be in a bad position, because they'd be well within their rights to say, "You've received four complaints within the last three weeks, so no, we won't mitigate anything for you. Get your Email sending practices in order, then maybe someday we'll talk." 3. I haven't ever received such complaints before this situation started on March 24. Is Microsoft noted for somehow generating spurious complaints like this? If so, is that the reason I'm not getting hounded about it from Linode, the "Little Boy who Cried Wolf" situation? Thanks for any thoughts, Jayson -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] The Hotmail complaint saga continues
Jayson Smith writes: > 1. Is Linode, my VPS provider, also receiving these complaints? If so, > I'm surprised they haven't at least sent me a notice telling me about them. Seems unlikely, both on general principles and since you haven't heard from them. Have you confirmed that these notifications are really from Hotmail staff (or an automated process there)? Although other things equal it's unlikely, the most likely possibility (the subscriber complained) is denied by the subscriber so it could theoretically be some third party trying to mess with you or the subscriber. Also, have you confirmed that it's actually the specific messages from you or your list that were cited? Is it possible that some spammer is spoofing your return address, and the subscriber is legitimately complaining about mail that to the email provider appear to be from you but to the subscriber are from somebody else? Is it possible your Linode VPS has been hacked, or the MTA is an open relay, and is being used to send spam? If you've confirmed that the complaints are citing mail you know you sent, these possibilities don't apply, and they're fairly unlikely anyway given that it's only one subscriber that's having the issue. > 2. Does anyone know if having received these complaints might cause > Microsoft to be more likely to add my IP to their infamous block list? More likely, yes, but how much more likely, you'd have to get an answer from Microsoft. I don't know anybody who has gotten anything useful out of them, though. Mistaken additions to block lists anywhere seem to quite random for good actors, and the blockers are rarely willing to explain what the problem was, or how to avoid it. You could try explaining the situation to staff@hotmail, and get the subscriber to do so too. But I wouldn't expect too much. You could also look up what their mitigation strategies, if any, are. Some providers have services you can sign up to which provide more information about complaints, and guidelines on how to keep your list(s) in good standing with the providers. I don't know about Microsoft/Hotmail. There are also some general rules: 1. Check that your server is not in any of the reputable RBLs. I don't have a list offhand. (A couple of RBLs are known to shake down sites by putting them in bad actor lists and then asking for money for a "service" to help clean your reputation. The big providers like Hotmail know who they are and ignore them, you probably can ignore them too.) 2. Make sure that your DNS has correct configurations for SPF and DKIM. Make sure that your signing keys are correct. It may halp a little to do DMARC, too, even if you just set a policy of p=none. If your lists accept posts from off-host, you likely would benefit from configuring ARC as well. 3. Everything that goes *in* to your MTA *except from Mailman* should be spam- and virus-filtered. That should include mail generated on the Mailman host. Then you can safely forward all mail from Mailman. (Filtering mail *from* Mailman on the way out is very expensive unless you have very few subscribing domains.) 4. If your lists are open subscription and of moderate size, and you don't require moderator approval of subscriptions, we recommend setting all new subscribers to "hold for moderation". If the first post is acceptable, then set them to default processing or accept. For many lists that nearly eliminates "drive-by" spams and other unwanted posts. YMMV of course. > 3. I haven't ever received such complaints before this situation started > on March 24. Is Microsoft noted for somehow generating spurious > complaints like this? Not that I've heard of. Maybe somebody else has. The only case I know of like that was AOL, which put the "Report Spam" button next to the "Delete Message" button. Perhaps Hotmail has a similar issue, but I haven't heard of it. You could ask the subscriber if it's possible she missed and hit the wrong button, but since she's already denied doing that, you'll have to be careful about it. I'm sorry not to be of more help, but given that big providers like Microsoft are never willing to engage in situations like this, there's little information in the public domain. I'm afraid you're going to have to work it out with the subscriber. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
