[Mailman-Users] Re: Is it my server or Yahoo's server(s)?

2021-05-30 Thread Robert Heller 
At Sun, 30 May 2021 13:15:21 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" 
 wrote:

> 
> Robert Heller writes:
> 
>  > Is anyone else seeing this sort of problem?
> 
> Yes, it's not just you and Mark.  There have been several threads on
> this recently, naming one or more of Verizon, Yahoo!, or AOL as the
> problematic destination, all of which are under one management now.
> The combined entity is just not very good at this.

That "one management" is Verizon.

> 
> This
> 
> [TSS04] Messages from  temporarily deferred due to 
> unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1
> 
> is just bad faith or symptomatic of extreme incompetence.  "Unexpected
> volume" and "user complaints" are very different issues.

More likely "bad faith" rather than "extreme incompetence".  Verizon has a 
track record of bad service for divisions of itself it wants to "go away": 
land-line (copper) telephone service is another of its other "bad faith" 
operations (not the field techs, but the corporate management policies related 
to the service).

One thing I have noticed: while all three address domains are getting some 
delay, only Yahoo and AOL addresses ever get delayed until the 5-day point, 
the Verizon.net addresss never get a bounce suspension.

> 
> Steve
> 
>
> 

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Is it my server or Yahoo's server(s)?

2021-05-30 Thread Robert Heller 
At Sat, 29 May 2021 19:20:21 -0700 Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> 
> On 5/29/21 6:34 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Sat, 29 May 2021 18:20:20 -0700 Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> On 5/29/21 5:52 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> >>> I run a *small* Mailman 2.x server on a VPS running CentOS 7, with 
> >>> Postfix. I
> >>> have one E-Mail list with just under 500 members, about 60 of which have
> >>> @yahoo.com addresses and another 15-20 with @aol.com addresses.> 
> > I'm getting this message:
> > 
> > 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 108.161.142.143 temporarily deferred due to
> > unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see
> > https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to MAIL FROM
> > command)
> 
> So they apparently don't like the fact that you are sending a message to 
> 75+ recipients at the same time.
> 
> If you aren't already doing this, I suggest setting 
> VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 in mm_cfg.py, or if you don't want that, set 
> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5.

I had already had SMTP_MAX_RCPTS set to 10, and I lowered it to 5 yesterday.

> 
> The former will send one message per recipient with a VERPed envelope 
> sender for better bounce recognition. The latter will send no more than 
> 5 recipients per message. If the issue is lots of recipients to one 
> message, these will help
> 

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Is it my server or Yahoo's server(s)?

2021-05-30 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull 
Robert Heller writes:

 > One thing I have noticed: while all three address domains are
 > getting some delay, only Yahoo and AOL addresses ever get delayed
 > until the 5-day point, the Verizon.net addresss never get a bounce
 > suspension.

Yikes!  That's more evil than I had imagined.  This is to the point
where you might want to suggest to your Yahoo and AOL subscribers that
they want to get out on their own schedule rather than Verizon's.

I'm serious, but of course you know your subscribers a lot better than
I do.

Steve
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[Mailman-Users] Bogus Email Subscription Requests using Axios

2021-05-30 Thread enews 
Running Mailman 2.1.15 on CentOS 7. 

In the last week or so I started getting bogus subscription attempts. 
The attempts are seen in /var/log/httpd/ssl_access.log:
> 66.78.5.8 - - [27/May/2021:22:46:06 -1000] "POST  /mailman//subscribe/mailman 
> HTTP/1.1" 200 1171 "-" "axios/0.19.2"
> 67.203.60.115 - - [27/May/2021:22:51:15 -1000] "POST 
> /mailman//subscribe/mylist HTTP/1.1" 200 1164 "-" "axios/0.19.2"
> 173.46.92.221 - - [27/May/2021:22:51:15 -1000] "POST /mailman//subscribe/ott 
> HTTP/1.1" 200 1143 "-" "axios/0.19.2"
> 185.206.222.31 - - [27/May/2021:22:51:15 -1000] "POST 
> /mailman//subscribe/sundayjammers HTTP/1.1" 200 1213 "-" "axios/0.19.2"
> 185.206.222.85 - - [27/May/2021:22:51:36 -1000] "POST /mailman//subscribe/ott 
> HTTP/1.1" 200 1143 "-" "axios/0.19.2"
> 67.207.184.138 - - [27/May/2021:22:51:37 -1000] "POST 
> /mailman//subscribe/cdh_board HTTP/1.1" 200 1185 "-" "axios/0.19.2"
> 173.211.37.87 - - [27/May/2021:22:51:37 -1000] "POST /mailman//subscribe/test 
> HTTP/1.1" 200 1150 "-" "axios/0.19.2"

My attempt to block these does not appear to be working.  Suggestions
please?

> RewriteEngine on
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_METHOD} POST
> RewriteCond "%{HTTP_USER_AGENT}" "^axios"
> RewriteRule ^/mailman//subscribe/ - [F]
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Is it my server or Yahoo's server(s)?

2021-05-30 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 5/30/21 4:09 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it's not just you and Mark.  There have been several threads on
>> this recently, naming one or more of Verizon, Yahoo!, or AOL as the
>> problematic destination, all of which are under one management now.
>> The combined entity is just not very good at this.
> 
> That "one management" is Verizon.


Not any more. Early this month (May) Verizon announced the sale of 90%
of Verizon Media which includes Yahoo and AOL to Apollo Global
Management, Inc.


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Is it my server or Yahoo's server(s)?

2021-05-30 Thread Robert Heller 
At Sun, 30 May 2021 23:18:46 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" 
 wrote:

> 
> Robert Heller writes:
> 
>  > One thing I have noticed: while all three address domains are
>  > getting some delay, only Yahoo and AOL addresses ever get delayed
>  > until the 5-day point, the Verizon.net addresss never get a bounce
>  > suspension.
> 
> Yikes!  That's more evil than I had imagined.  This is to the point
> where you might want to suggest to your Yahoo and AOL subscribers that
> they want to get out on their own schedule rather than Verizon's.
> 
> I'm serious, but of course you know your subscribers a lot better than
> I do.

Actually my subscribers know all about Verizon's evilness, since they have had 
to deal with horrible (land line) phone service from Verizon...

> 
> Steve
> 
>   
> 
> 

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Is it my server or Yahoo's server(s)?

2021-05-30 Thread Jon Baron 
FWIW, I have 102 yahoo subscribers (86 are yahoo.com, others are around the
world), and I do not recall seeing ANY yahoo delays at all in the last few
weeks. I do get delays from hotmail (64 subscribers), and from places in
China and Finland. One address at a Chinese university takes a day to
clear, every time, but it is the only address at this particular
university. Other delays usually clear within an hour or two.

It is hard to compare details since I use sendmail, and I see the delays in
the mail queue (which I see by saying "mailq", as root).

Sendmail seems to try to re-send the mail every hour, after two shorter
attempts.

I do set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5, but I think you did that too.

In sum, I'm not sure that this is something that yahoo does as a matter of
policy.

You might check to see if you are on any block lists:
https://check.spamhaus.org/
https://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx

Ignore UCEPROTECT3. Apparently nobody pays any attention to this seriously
ugly list. Lots of sites use SPAMHAUS (almost as bad as UCEPROTECT3) for
preliminary screening.

Jon

On 05/30/21 23:18, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Robert Heller writes:
> 
>  > One thing I have noticed: while all three address domains are
>  > getting some delay, only Yahoo and AOL addresses ever get delayed
>  > until the 5-day point, the Verizon.net addresss never get a bounce
>  > suspension.
> 
> Yikes!  That's more evil than I had imagined.  This is to the point
> where you might want to suggest to your Yahoo and AOL subscribers that
> they want to get out on their own schedule rather than Verizon's.
> 
> I'm serious, but of course you know your subscribers a lot better than
> I do.
> 
> Steve
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Is it my server or Yahoo's server(s)?

2021-05-30 Thread Robert Heller 
At Sun, 30 May 2021 11:07:13 -0400 Jon Baron  wrote:

> 
> FWIW, I have 102 yahoo subscribers (86 are yahoo.com, others are around the
> world), and I do not recall seeing ANY yahoo delays at all in the last few
> weeks. I do get delays from hotmail (64 subscribers), and from places in
> China and Finland. One address at a Chinese university takes a day to
> clear, every time, but it is the only address at this particular
> university. Other delays usually clear within an hour or two.
> 
> It is hard to compare details since I use sendmail, and I see the delays in
> the mail queue (which I see by saying "mailq", as root).
> 
> Sendmail seems to try to re-send the mail every hour, after two shorter
> attempts.

Postfix is the same.

> 
> I do set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5, but I think you did that too.

I did have SMTP_MAX_RCPTS at 10, but recently lowered it to 5.

> 
> In sum, I'm not sure that this is something that yahoo does as a matter of
> policy.
> 
> You might check to see if you are on any block lists:
> https://check.spamhaus.org/
> https://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx
> 
> Ignore UCEPROTECT3. Apparently nobody pays any attention to this seriously
> ugly list. Lots of sites use SPAMHAUS (almost as bad as UCEPROTECT3) for
> preliminary screening.

Not on any blacklists, not even UCEPROTECT3.

> 
> Jon
> 
> On 05/30/21 23:18, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> > Robert Heller writes:
> > 
> >  > One thing I have noticed: while all three address domains are
> >  > getting some delay, only Yahoo and AOL addresses ever get delayed
> >  > until the 5-day point, the Verizon.net addresss never get a bounce
> >  > suspension.
> > 
> > Yikes!  That's more evil than I had imagined.  This is to the point
> > where you might want to suggest to your Yahoo and AOL subscribers that
> > they want to get out on their own schedule rather than Verizon's.
> > 
> > I'm serious, but of course you know your subscribers a lot better than
> > I do.
> > 
> > Steve
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Bogus Email Subscription Requests using Axios

2021-05-30 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 5/30/21 1:27 AM, en...@jdb.homelinux.net wrote:
> 
> My attempt to block these does not appear to be working.  Suggestions
> please?
> 
>> RewriteEngine on
>> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_METHOD} POST
>> RewriteCond "%{HTTP_USER_AGENT}" "^axios"
>> RewriteRule ^/mailman//subscribe/ - [F]


I'm not sure why the above doesn't work assuming that you have
mod_rewrite enabled. You might try dropping the POST condition and
changing the rule to just

RewriteRule ^/mailman/ - [F]

I doubt you get any legitimate 'non-crawler' type requests from axios
agents.

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