[Mailman-Users] Howto call script on list-membership change

[Stefan Bauer via Mailman-Users]

Hi,



is there a way to call a bash/perl/whatever script if there is a membership 
change on any list in mailman3?



If not, how can one detect/monitor a list membership change (user removed / 
added) in mailman3 automatically?



Thank you.



Stefan
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[Mailman-Users] Tracking email

[Jesus Rivas]

Hi, is a old subject, but someone know some platform for email tracking???

I have mailman 2.1.14

Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Grey listing Member Disablement Question

[pwilliam]

Hi,

We're running Mailman version 3 that's using a mail relay for sending mail. 
We've been running into issues where many mailing list members are being 
disabled due to their mail servers using grey listing through Mimecast. Sending 
mail to an individual user from the relay server directly results in the 
message being sent, as the mail is retried after one minute and is allowed 
through. I'm noticing that it seems like when Mailman sends mailing list 
messages to these users it seems like the message is not being retried after a 
minute, or that mailman is interpreting the grey listing as a bounce back and 
disabling the member as a result.

I realize this could be a MTA issue, but I was wondering if any one else has 
come across this before and how they've fixed it. Any help is greatly 
appreciated!
Peter
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman Grey listing Member Disablement Question

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/9/21 11:32 AM, pwill...@fredhutch.org wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> We're running Mailman version 3 that's using a mail relay for sending mail.

The list for Mailman 3 users is mailman-us...@mailman3.org



> We've been running into issues where many mailing list members are being 
> disabled due to their mail servers using grey listing through Mimecast. 
> Sending mail to an individual user from the relay server directly results in 
> the message being sent, as the mail is retried after one minute and is 
> allowed through. I'm noticing that it seems like when Mailman sends mailing 
> list messages to these users it seems like the message is not being retried 
> after a minute, or that mailman is interpreting the grey listing as a bounce 
> back and disabling the member as a result.
> 
> I realize this could be a MTA issue, but I was wondering if any one else has 
> come across this before and how they've fixed it. Any help is greatly 
> appreciated!


The notifications in Mailman 3 don't (yet) include the bounce DSN, so
you need to get that information from the MTA. What I can tell you is
Mailman will not interpret a message with a 4xx status as a bounce, and
it is the MTA, not Mailman that is responsible for retrying 4xx status
returns.

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[Mailman-Users] Howto call script on list-membership change

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Stefan Bauer via Mailman-Users writes:

 > is there a way to call a bash/perl/whatever script if there is a
 > membership change on any list in mailman3?

No.

 > If not, how can one detect/monitor a list membership change (user
 > removed / added) in mailman3 automatically?

Depending on list configuration, Mailman will send mail to the list
owner on changes or on attempts by users to change their membership
(i.e, when membership changes are configured to require moderator
approval)..

If that doesn't do what you want, I'm pretty sure you would have to
modify the code to call a Python function that does what you want at
the point where the optional mail to list owner would be sent.  This
isn't hard, but it does require knowing enough Python to do whatever
it is you want done.

Steve

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[Mailman-Users] Tracking email

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Jesus Rivas writes:

 > Hi, is a old subject, but someone know some platform for email tracking???

What do you mean by "email tracking"?

If you mean determining whether a message was received or read, email
is basically fire-and-forget.  There are some protocols for
determining if a message was received or read.  In particular, you
will normally get a "bounce" if a message is not received by the
addressee's mail host.  This is implemented by the mail transfer agent
(MTA) that handles the Internet side of email, and is generally
reliable.  If you don't get a bounce, you may presume the message was
received by the addressee domain.

There is a protocol (most recent version seems to be RFC 8098) for
requesting a receipt when the message is process by a message user
agent (MUA), and perhaps other agents such as mediators (eg, mailing
lists) and message delivery agents (MDA, eg, procmail).  I have no
idea which agents implement this, and it's entirely up to the MUA (or
the user) to decide whether to respond to such a request.  You can
use the protocol, but you can't expect responses.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Tracking email

[Jesus Rivas]

for example the pixel image to track who open the email, i need for 
knows how many user open the email.


there are a similiar report in mailchimp.

someone know a platform who help me to track the email list

On 09/02/2021 07:54 p. m., Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Jesus Rivas writes:

  > Hi, is a old subject, but someone know some platform for email tracking???

What do you mean by "email tracking"?

If you mean determining whether a message was received or read, email
is basically fire-and-forget.  There are some protocols for
determining if a message was received or read.  In particular, you
will normally get a "bounce" if a message is not received by the
addressee's mail host.  This is implemented by the mail transfer agent
(MTA) that handles the Internet side of email, and is generally
reliable.  If you don't get a bounce, you may presume the message was
received by the addressee domain.

There is a protocol (most recent version seems to be RFC 8098) for
requesting a receipt when the message is process by a message user
agent (MUA), and perhaps other agents such as mediators (eg, mailing
lists) and message delivery agents (MDA, eg, procmail).  I have no
idea which agents implement this, and it's entirely up to the MUA (or
the user) to decide whether to respond to such a request.  You can
use the protocol, but you can't expect responses.

Steve


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Tracking email

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Jesus Rivas writes:

 > for example the pixel image to track who open the email, i need for 
 > knows how many user open the email.
 > 
 > there are a similiar report in mailchimp.
 > 
 > someone know a platform who help me to track the email list

If you want to put an image in your HTML email, that's trivial to do.
It's only a tiny bit harder to add a feature where URLs are generated
dynamically and linked to specific addresses.  However, Mailman itself
has no feature for automatically inserting such URLs or tracking
responses; you would have to trawl your webserver logs for it.  I
don't know of any of the commercial services that provide Mailman as a
service that support it, either.

Mailman is designed primarily to support discussion lists, although it
is also used successfully for announcement lists.  Mailman admins are
generally text-oriented ("remove/convert HTML emails" is a popular
feature), and not supportive of tracking.  You're welcome to
participate in the community, but for this question you will probably
get more useful responses elsewhere.

Steve
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Tracking email

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/9/21 7:55 PM, Jesus Rivas wrote:
> for example the pixel image to track who open the email, i need for
> knows how many user open the email.


These things known as web bugs are notoriously unreliable for tracking
who actually opened the mail.

Anti spam/malware services such as MailScanner
 can `disarm` them and various MUA's such
as Thunderbird do not download remote images by default to `protect your
privacy`

Not to mention the fact that their presence in email is highly annoying
to people like me, not so much because I care whether you know if I
opened your mail, but because I don't like your going behind my back to
find out.

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[Mailman-Users] MM3 - nested list - munge_from - Reply-To not persistent

[Stefan Bauer via Mailman-Users]

Hi,



is there a way to keep the real sender information in the Reply-To when nested 
lists are used?



We use munge_from and dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally true.



We have following lists:





ALL (RND,IT,SALES)







When Joe sends a mail to RND-list, Joe's Sender-Address is referenced in 
Reply-To.



When Joe sends a mail to ALL, ALL's list-address is referenced in Reply-To and 
not the one from the real sender - Joe.



Is there a way to keep the real-address even if nested lists are used?




thank you!



Stefan
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