[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

2021-01-02 Thread jackson

It was a helpful suggestion.

Pipermail archiving directory hierarchy is out on NAS and is
shared however long-ago changes whould have broken archiving.
A non-member held post wouldn't be archived but thinking along
the same lines I had wondered about nightly NAS backup/restore.
System files are not shared and not under any nightly schedule.

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

2021-01-02 Thread jackson

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021, Mark Sapiro wrote:


On 1/1/21 1:43 PM, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:


What I'm still struggling with is...


Please send me one of these email notices off list. I need to see all
the headers from the raw message source. I'll see what I can see from that.


Thanks very much, doing so by pm...



I do have an issue understanding what's happening. If you get a notice
about pending requests and go to "B" and the requests are there and you
delete them, how is it that they reappear on "B"? That's the part I
don't understand.

I suspect part of this is DNS issues possibly combined with action URLs
in web forms containing a host name which doesn't point to the current
host. I.e., you go to http://B/mailman/admindb/LIST and the action URL
for the "submit" button actually points to "A".


I did migrate the list from one instance to another years ago.
In diagnosing the recent spamming, I did find an error:  Mail
was still being sent to the old instance.  I corrected on 13th
December.

Each morning I get attend-to pending requests for two spams,
on on either side of directing mail to the correct instance.

So this is increasingly beginning to sound like inconsistent
DNS aliases or /etc/host hostname or alias references.

According to the headers, the attend-to emails are being sent
by the old instance, 'A'.

The recipient of the emails is the list administrator on the
new instance, 'B'.

'B' forwards to the mail host 'C' which delivers to the
instance on which I read mail (which happens to be 'A').

Going-in on 'B', nothing is pending there.

Going-in on 'A', I clear them.  Tomorrow, they reappear with
exactly the same submission dates; one before I corrected the
inbound mail routing and one after.

Am I confused?  Boy am I confused!
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests

2021-01-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 1/2/21 11:56 AM, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:
> 
> Going-in on 'A', I clear them.  Tomorrow, they reappear with
> exactly the same submission dates; one before I corrected the
> inbound mail routing and one after.

When you go to the admindb interface on "A", view the source of the
page. On the source of the page you should see a FORM tag with an
action=URL and method="POST". Is the host in the action=URL something
that resolves to "A" or does it go to "B"?

Also, when you clear them on "A" if you look in the address bar of the
resultant "There are no pending requests ..." page did that page come
from "A" or "B"?

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[Mailman-Users] SOLVED [Was: Mailman 2.1.24 Recurring Pending Requests]

2021-01-02 Thread jackson

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021, Mark Sapiro wrote:


On 1/2/21 11:56 AM, jack...@encompasserve.org wrote:



When you go to the admindb interface on "A", view the source of the
page. On the source of the page you should see a FORM tag with an
action=URL and method="POST". Is the host in the action=URL something
that resolves to "A" or does it go to "B"?


Having made just the one change to a temporary copy of the filled
pending requests form on 'A', changing the submission to 'A' there
were two give-aways:-

1.  This time "Database Updated..." appeared at the top left of the
"There are no pending requests" confirmation response page.

2.  I did *not* have to give a password again between originally
accessing the attending-to pending requests page and having
submitted the form.

The need to login again after having submitted the form, and
the absence of "Database Updated..." in the "There are no
pending requests" should have been a dead give-away that:

*  This is an example of Mailman having been migrated from A to B

*  A is displaying post-migration pages so form submits go to B

*  Inbound mail continued to be routed to A post-migration

*  After inbound mail was routed to B, mail is still in A's DB

*  To purge mail still in A's DB the submission needs to go to A

Thank you.
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