[Mailman-Users] Removed archive messages won't die

[Thomas Gramstad]

I'm trying to get rid of some test messages, unsubscribe 
messages, and a misdirected personal message from a public list 
archive (Mailman 2.1.29).


The problem is that the archived messages keep resurrecting 
themselves in the date.html file, even if the actual message 
files have been deleted, after I edit them away from the 
date.html file.


How can I prevent this behavior, so that only actually existing 
archive messages show up in the archive index file date.html?


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Removed archive messages won't die

[Brian Carpenter]

On 9/23/20 9:52 AM, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
I'm trying to get rid of some test messages, unsubscribe messages, and 
a misdirected personal message from a public list archive (Mailman 
2.1.29).


The problem is that the archived messages keep resurrecting themselves 
in the date.html file, even if the actual message files have been 
deleted, after I edit them away from the date.html file.


How can I prevent this behavior, so that only actually existing 
archive messages show up in the archive index file date.html? 


Hi Thomas,

I believe you have to delete the message from your list's mbox file 
(mailman_install_dir/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox) and 
then rebuild your archives "mailman_install_dir/bin/arch --wipe listname".


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[Mailman-Users] Problem with outlook.com

[nikos]

Hello list.

For some reason none of hotmail or outlook users don't receive any of 
our newsletter. Finally all of them auto unsubscribe.


The following is an error received form protection.outlook.com:

Remote Server returned '550 5.6.0 CAT.InvalidContent.Exception: 
ExchangeDataException, Decoding of header Subject failed+ADs- raw value: 
+AFs-Ps+AF0- 
+AD0-?iso8859-7?b?wer98fnz5yDF8OX05enh6t7yIOXq5N7r+-fPn8iDz9Oft?+AD0-; 
cannot handle content of message


That happened since September 10th this year. Before, all received 
without problem.


Any suggestions?

Thank you in advance.

Nikos.
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[Mailman-Users] Reply-To: Poster via archive?

[Thomas Gramstad]

A subscriber to a list I have with a public archive, has NOMAIL 
set and only reads and responds via the archive. But even though 
the list is set up with Reply-To: Sender as default, this 
subscriber, even when he is logged in, gets Reply-To list instead 
of Reply-To to poster when he replies via the archive. Is there a 
way to reply to poster when reading and replying via the official 
list archive?


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Problem with outlook.com

[Mailman-admin]

Hello

Am 23.09.20 um 15:29 schrieb nikos:
> Hello list.
> 
> For some reason none of hotmail or outlook users don't receive any of
> our newsletter. Finally all of them auto unsubscribe.
> 
> The following is an error received form protection.outlook.com:
> 
> Remote Server returned '550 5.6.0 CAT.InvalidContent.Exception:
> ExchangeDataException, Decoding of header Subject failed+ADs- raw value:
> +AFs-Ps+AF0-
> +AD0-?iso8859-7?b?wer98fnz5yDF8OX05enh6t7yIOXq5N7r+-fPn8iDz9Oft?+AD0-;
> cannot handle content of message
> 
> That happened since September 10th this year. Before, all received
> without problem.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 

Seems you have an encoding problem in your subject fields.
I assume you add something which isn't in a character set matching your
List settings for default language.
Therefore mailman doesn't encode it properly and sends 8-bit characters
in the subject.
Specifically the starting:
+AFs-Ps+AF0-+AD0-


Kind regards,
Christian Mack
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Problem with outlook.com

[Mark Sapiro]

On 9/23/20 6:29 AM, nikos wrote:
> Hello list.
> 
> For some reason none of hotmail or outlook users don't receive any of
> our newsletter. Finally all of them auto unsubscribe.
> 
> The following is an error received form protection.outlook.com:
> 
> Remote Server returned '550 5.6.0 CAT.InvalidContent.Exception:
> ExchangeDataException, Decoding of header Subject failed+ADs- raw value:
> +AFs-Ps+AF0-
> +AD0-?iso8859-7?b?wer98fnz5yDF8OX05enh6t7yIOXq5N7r+-fPn8iDz9Oft?+AD0-;
> cannot handle content of message


It looks like the Subject: header of the message is in Greek and is
RFC2047 encoded in the iso-8859-7 character set.

For some reason, Hotmail doesn't accept this.


> That happened since September 10th this year. Before, all received
> without problem.


This is a Hotmail (Microsoft) issue. I don't know if communicating with
them would help or not.

You could change Mailman's encoding for Greek from iso-8859-7 to utf-8,
but this is an involved process. You have to recode Mailman's
messages/el/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po and templates/el/* and any custom
templates from iso-8859-7 to utf-8, run msgfmt to recompile
messages/el/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo and also recode any Greek strings in
the list configurations. There is a script at
 (mirrored at
) that can help with
this last step.

I also don't know that changing the encoding from iso-8859-7 to utf-8
will help with this Hotmail issue or not, but it might be worth a try.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Removed archive messages won't die

[Mark Sapiro]

On 9/23/20 7:01 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
> On 9/23/20 9:52 AM, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>> I'm trying to get rid of some test messages, unsubscribe messages, and
>> a misdirected personal message from a public list archive (Mailman
>> 2.1.29).
>>
>> The problem is that the archived messages keep resurrecting themselves
>> in the date.html file, even if the actual message files have been
>> deleted, after I edit them away from the date.html file.
>>
>> How can I prevent this behavior, so that only actually existing
>> archive messages show up in the archive index file date.html? 
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> I believe you have to delete the message from your list's mbox file
> (mailman_install_dir/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox) and
> then rebuild your archives "mailman_install_dir/bin/arch --wipe listname".


Brian's suggestion is the simple, straightforward way to do this.

Here is more detail about what's happening in your case. The information
below is not a suggestion that you actually try to edit the database
files, rather it's just background if you're interested.


The various author, date, subject and thread .html files for any archive
period are rebuilt from information in
archives/private//database/* files for that period whenever
there is a post in that period. It is possible to edit those database
files, but probably isn't worth it - they are python marshals. There is
a script at  that can edit the
article database, but only for the purpose of redacting subjects and
authors. That script has more information as to its purpose, but is only
relevant here as information about the format of the article database.

There is also a script at  which
can dump these databases and may be useful as illustration of how to
access them with Archiver methods.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Reply-To: Poster via archive?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 9/23/20 8:11 AM, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> A subscriber to a list I have with a public archive, has NOMAIL set and
> only reads and responds via the archive. But even though the list is set
> up with Reply-To: Sender as default, this subscriber, even when he is
> logged in, gets Reply-To list instead of Reply-To to poster when he
> replies via the archive. Is there a way to reply to poster when reading
> and replying via the official list archive?


If you are asking about replying from HyperKitty (Mailman 3), this is
the wrong list. Use mailmnan us...@mailman3.org
.

If this is about Mailman 2.1, and the user is replying from the
pipermail archive by clicking the poster's email address, that is a
mailto: link that goes to the list with appropriate Subject= and
In-Reply-To= fragments. It always goes to the list regardless of the
list's reply_goes_to_list setting.

Even if it were changed to make it honor that setting, it would only
reflect the setting at the time the message was archived and it wouldn't
change if the setting was changed because this is static HTML.

If the user wants to reply to the poster in this way, she needs to edit
the recipients when composing the mail. I recognize this is
inconvenient, but no changes are contemplated.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Reply-To: Poster via archive?

[Chip Davis]

... and, one hopes, elides the irrelevant archive postings.  [Sorry, 
one of my eldest crotchets.]


-Chip-

On 9/23/2020 2:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

If the user wants to reply to the poster in this way, she needs to edit
the recipients when composing the mail. I recognize this is
inconvenient, but no changes are contemplated.

On 9/23/20 8:11 AM, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

A subscriber to a list I have with a public archive, has NOMAIL set and
only reads and responds via the archive. But even though the list is set
up with Reply-To: Sender as default, this subscriber, even when he is
logged in, gets Reply-To list instead of Reply-To to poster when he
replies via the archive. Is there a way to reply to poster when reading
and replying via the official list archive?

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