[Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

2017-05-31 Thread Ruben Safir 
I changed my aliases to something like this

# STANZA START: hangout
# CREATED: Sat Apr 15 12:09:33 2017
hangout: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post hangout"
hangout-admin:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin hangout"
hangout-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces hangout"
hangout-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm hangout"
hangout-join:"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join hangout"
hangout-leave:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave hangout"
hangout-leavemealone:"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner hangout"
hangout-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request hangout"
hangout-subscribe:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe hangout"
hangout-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe hangout"


But I'm not getting bounce processing that I expect.  I lot of hard
bounces are not being caught.  I set bounce level to 3

These are hard bounces:

017-05-31T04:32:04.046301-04:00 www postfix/smtpd[27051]: disconnect
from www.mrbrklyn.com[96.57.23.82]
2017-05-31T04:32:04.103090-04:00 www postfix/smtpd[27051]: connect from
www.mrbrklyn.com[96.57.23.82]
2017-05-31T04:32:04.115831-04:00 www postfix/smtpd[27051]: NOQUEUE:
reject: RCPT from www.mrbrklyn.com[96.57.23.82]: 450 4.1.2
: Recipient address rejected: Domain not found;
from= to= proto=ESMTP
helo=
2017-05-31T04:32:04.122202-04:00 www postfix/smtpd[27051]: NOQUEUE:
reject: RCPT from www.mrbrklyn.com[96.57.23.82]: 450 4.1.2
: Recipient address rejected: Domain not found;
from= to= proto=ESMTP
helo=
2017-05-31T04:32:04.136322-04:00 www postfix/smtpd[27051]: NOQUEUE:
reject: RCPT from www.mrbrklyn.com[96.57.23.82]: 450 4.1.2
: Recipient address rejected: Domain not found;
from= to= proto=ESMTP
helo=
2017-05-31T04:32:04.144350-04:00 www postfix/smtpd[27051]: NOQUEUE:
reject: RCPT from www.mrbrklyn.com[96.57.23.82]: 450 4.1.2
: Recipient address rejected: Domain not found;
from= to= proto=ESMTP
helo=
2017-05-31T04:32:04.153628-04:00 www postfix/smtpd[27051]: NOQUEUE:
reject: RCPT from www.mrbrklyn.com[96.57.23.82]: 450 4.1.2
: Recipient address rejected: Domain not found;
from= to= proto=ESMTP
helo=


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

2017-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 05/31/2017 01:36 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> I changed my aliases to something like this
> 
> # STANZA START: hangout
> # CREATED: Sat Apr 15 12:09:33 2017
...
> hangout-leavemealone:"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner hangout"


If you don't have a deliverable hangout-owner alias you will receive few
if any notifications from Mailman as they are typically sent to the
hangout-owner address in the expectation that that address will relay to
the owners/moderators.


...
> But I'm not getting bounce processing that I expect.  I lot of hard
> bounces are not being caught.  I set bounce level to 3
> 
> These are hard bounces:
...


Is bounce processing not working or do you just think it's not working
because you aren't receiving notices? What's in Mailman's bounce log?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

2017-05-31 Thread Ruben Safir 
On 05/31/2017 10:32 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> ...
>> But I'm not getting bounce processing that I expect.  I lot of hard
>> bounces are not being caught.  I set bounce level to 3
>>
>> These are hard bounces:
> ...
> 
> 
> Is bounce processing not working or do you just think it's not working
> because you aren't receiving notices? What's in Mailman's bounce log?


I thought that it would unsubscribe the dead email addresses without
needing my notifications


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http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
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http://www.brooklyn-living.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

2017-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 05/31/2017 07:42 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> I thought that it would unsubscribe the dead email addresses without
> needing my notifications


It will eventually. There are several things going on. Your original
post showed bounces all from 5/31. Bounce processing only increments the
score once per day. Subsequent bounces in the same day are logged but
not counted.

When a users bounce score reaches threshold, the users delivery is
disabled by bounce and the user is sent the first notice, but the user
is not unsubscribed until after bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings have
been sent at intervals of bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval. The
sending of subsequent notices and ultimate removal also depend on
Mailman's cron/disabled being run.

What's in Mailman's bounce log?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticated Received Chain in Mailman?

2017-05-31 Thread Barry Warsaw 
On May 30, 2017, at 08:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Steve will probably have more to say on this, but we had a GSOC project last
>year on this and there is a Mailman 3 branch at
> that is a work in
>progress on ARC.

Steve did briefly mention at Pycon that ARC was getting turned on at various
large providers.  I'd like to target ARC support for Mailman 3.2.

-Barry
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[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Uncaught bounce notification

2017-05-31 Thread Zarko Dudic 


Hi, once there is the legit posting to the list (mailman 2.1), the list 
owner receives email with Subject "Uncaught bounce notification".
I recall reading somewhere that I can send message here so mailman 
recognizer can be updated, so here is what is received:



 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Uncaught bounce notification
Date:   Wed, 31 May 2017 06:48:32 -0700
From:   mailman-boun...@oss.oracle.com
To: el-errata-ow...@oss.oracle.com



The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see:
https://oss.oracle.com/mailman/admin/el-errata/bounce



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Uncaught bounce notification

2017-05-31 Thread zd 
Seems the attachment is missing, so here it is:

Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (/156.151.31.71)
by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0)
with ESMTP ; Tue, 30 May 2017 23:58:17 -0700
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Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lb-oss.oracle.com)
by oss.oracle.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63)
(envelope-from )
id 1dFxaC-0004SH-Hy
for ad...@oss.oracle.com; Tue, 30 May 2017 23:58:16 -0700
Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
From: mailman-boun...@oss.oracle.com
To: el-errata-ow...@oss.oracle.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="===7644504290353639301=="
Message-ID: 
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 23:58:15 -0700
Precedence: bulk
X-BeenThere: el-err...@oss.oracle.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
List-Id: Errata Announcements for Oracle Linux 
X-List-Administrivia: yes
Sender: mailman-boun...@oss.oracle.com
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--===7644504290353639301==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see:
https://oss.oracle.com/mailman/admin/el-errata/bounce


--===7644504290353639301==
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Uncaught bounce notification

2017-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 05/31/2017 10:33 AM, zd wrote:
> Seems the attachment is missing, so here it is:


Thank you for the report. Unfortunately, this bounce is unrecognized
because it is missing critical information.


...
> Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
>   boundary="__1496213893893132371abhmp0012.oracle.com"
> 
> --__1496213893893132371abhmp0012.oracle.com
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
> --__1496213893893132371abhmp0012.oracle.com
> Content-Type: message/delivery-status
> 
> 
> --__1496213893893132371abhmp0012.oracle.com
> Content-Type: message/rfc822
> 
...

This is a correctly formatted RFC 3464 Delivery status notification
except information is missing. In particular, the first text/plain part
according to RFC 3462 is

   1) [Required] The first body part contains human readable message.
   The purpose of this message is to provide an easily understood
   description of the condition(s) that caused the report to be
   generated, for a human reader who may not have a user agent capable
   of interpreting the second section of the Multipart/Report.

Clearly the text
"This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification." does
not satisfy this requirement.

The second message/delivery-status part is

   (2) [Required] A machine parsable body part containing an account of
   the reported message handling event. The purpose of this body part is
   to provide a machine-readable description of the condition(s) that
   caused the report to be generated, along with details not present in
   the first body part that may be useful to human experts.  An initial
   body part, Message/delivery-status is defined in [RFC 3464].

This part is what we look at and we are looking for fields like
Original-Recipient:, Final-Recipient: and Action:. These fields and
others should be there, but this part is empty in this message.

Either the MTA that sent it is broken or some content filter removed
that information before it got to Mailman. Whatever the reason. there is
no information in this report to identify the address that bounced or
the reason for the bounce so we can't possibly recognize it.

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