Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity
Am Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 03:20:06PM +0100 schrieb Peter Humphrey: > On Sunday 29 September 2024 13:03:04 BST Michael wrote: > > On Sunday 29 September 2024 12:11:13 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote: > > > > It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its > > > > title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath > > > > it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, but > > > > that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise aren't there because > > > > the bar they live on isn't there. > > > > > > > > How do I get my bar back? -) > > > > > > Firefox has been like that here for some months now. Either ALT-F3 and > > > move > > > it, if that's what you want, or CRTL-Q and restart it somewhere else. > > > > If you right click twice near the top edge of the window, then the Plasma > > window menu show up. From there you can select to minimise/maximise. > > Yes, but why has FF shrugged off the standard presentation of a program > window? > And why is it allowed to get away with it? It’s been doing this for very many a year in Windows already (I think Chrome started that trend), and also in Gnome everything “has to be”™ a unified window titlebar now. -- Grüße | Greetings | Salut | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. Computers are the most congenial product of human laziness to-date. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How to setup internal email sending
Il 29/09/24 21:42, Dale ha scritto: ralfconn wrote: Funny, [4] suggests going back to seamonkey for movemail support. I once was a happy seamonkey user then switched to FF/TB because SM seemed unmaintained, but from the website it looks like it's still alive and kicking. raf [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1625741 [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1625741#c35 [3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1802145 [4] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1625741#c81 I think Seamonkey mostly gets bug fixes and updates so that it compiles with new tools and works with newer software. I don't think it gets much else. I am constantly running into sites that don't work right or even load with Seamonkey but work fine with Firefox. Some may recall the massive Firefox rewrite a few years ago. Once Firefox got the kinks worked out, it was a huge improvement. Also, add-ons were redone as well. Seamonkey needs to do the same because there are few add-ons that work with Seamonkey now. You have to use the old add-ons, if you can find them, to use anything and almost none of them get updated. As a example, I switched from Lastpass to Bitwarden. I have to use Lastpass on any site I want to access that uses passwords because Bitwarden doesn't have a up to date add-on for Seamonkey. Lastpass doesn't either. It's still stuck on the last version since Firefox did it's rewrite and add-on change. Yea, no security updates either. Basically, the only reason I still have Lastpass, it was already installed. If I were to remove Lastpass, I may not be able to get it back. If it stopped working, it would be dead. There is no update for it in Seamonkey. In my opinion, Seamonkey is slowly dying unless enough people step up and update it to work like Firefox, including add-ons, and is coded in a way that websites work like Firefox does. I mostly use it for the email part and would like to switch but I don't like Thunderbird to much. Links is my biggest problem. If I click on a link, it wants to open a new instance of Firefox instead of asking me which instance I want to open in with a new tab. As I type, I have four instances of Firefox open. Each one had a different set of add-ons installed and are used for different tasks. When I click on a link, I just need it to open in a new tab and ask me where to do it. If anyone were to ask me if they should start using Seamonkey, I'd say no. It worries me that at some point, it isn't even going to work well enough just for the email part. That is about the only part of it that really works OK. For web browsing, it's Firefox for 99% of things I do here. As it is, I have to copy links in Seamonkey email and then paste the link in a new tab in Firefox on occasion. It's annoying. Thanks Dale, great explanation (as usual!) raf
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity
On 9/29/24 10:20 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > Yes, but why has FF shrugged off the standard presentation of a > program window? Because they want to. Because other browsers do it. Because Desktop Environments have started to do it. Because none of these three groups care what users want. > And why is it allowed to get away with it? Better ask why gnome is allowed to get away with it. The reason why Mozilla is allowed to get away with it is much more obvious: Mozilla is a for-profit corporation, and Firefox is a side project for them which they avoid talking about because browsers embarrass them. This makes Firefox trend towards being as bad as every other browser already is (Firefox is still edging by on being a bit better than the competition, for now), but writing a browser from scratch that supports currently existing websites (i.e. isn't a toy like lynx) is a challenging endeavor and there is very little competition at all. (It is fascinating that there is actually any competition at all. But Ladybird does exist, somehow!) -- Eli Schwartz OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity
On Monday 30 September 2024 11:00:09 BST Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 03:20:06PM +0100 schrieb Peter Humphrey: > > On Sunday 29 September 2024 13:03:04 BST Michael wrote: > > > On Sunday 29 September 2024 12:11:13 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > > On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote: > > > > > It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost > > > > > its > > > > > title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar > > > > > underneath > > > > > it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, > > > > > but > > > > > that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise aren't there > > > > > because > > > > > the bar they live on isn't there. > > > > > > > > > > How do I get my bar back? -) > > > > > > > > Firefox has been like that here for some months now. Either ALT-F3 and > > > > move > > > > it, if that's what you want, or CRTL-Q and restart it somewhere else. > > > > > > If you right click twice near the top edge of the window, then the > > > Plasma > > > window menu show up. From there you can select to minimise/maximise. > > > > Yes, but why has FF shrugged off the standard presentation of a program > > window? And why is it allowed to get away with it? > > It’s been doing this for very many a year in Windows already (I think Chrome > started that trend), and also in Gnome everything “has to be”™ a unified > window titlebar now. A main reason for avoiding Gnome: its adoption of the Windows attitude - we know what you need better than you do - go and sit quietly in the corner. -- Regards, Peter.
