[gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
Is Gentoo Weekly Newsletter dead? The most recent update is 15 Oct, 2007. What happened in Gentoo community? -- Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
2008/1/11, Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Is Gentoo Weekly Newsletter dead? The most recent update is 15 Oct, > 2007. > > What happened in Gentoo community? There is currently a discussion on gentoo-dev. It looks like it will be changed to a GMN (Gentoo Monthly Newsletter) due to the lack of contributions. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re[2]: [gentoo-user] VMware Server Tools
Hi Peter, Friday, January 11, 2008, 1:47:49 AM, you wrote: > On Thursday 10 January 2008, Sergey Kobzar wrote: >> I can't find vmware-server-tools in layman. Before I used it to >> install tools: >> >> # equery list | grep vmware-server-tools >> app-emulation/vmware-server-tools-1.0.3.44356 > Vmware tools are now included in vmware-server. After starting a > VM, choose "Install VMware Tools" from the VM menu. And it will add: - Tools to installed packages list - correct rc scripts ? Don't think so... I prefer to use portage tree for additional software. That's why I chose Gentoo. -- Sergey -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
2008. 01. 11, péntek keltezéssel 09.37-kor Daniel Pielmeier ezt írta: > 2008/1/11, Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Is Gentoo Weekly Newsletter dead? The most recent update is 15 Oct, > > 2007. > > > > What happened in Gentoo community? > > There is currently a discussion on gentoo-dev. It looks like it will > be changed to a GMN (Gentoo Monthly Newsletter) due to the lack of > contributions. Or they will change to GYN (Gentoo Yearly Newsletter) :) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 09:58:16AM +0100, Pongracz Istvan wrote: > > 2008. 01. 11, p茅ntek keltez茅ssel 09.37-kor Daniel Pielmeier ezt 铆rta: > > > Or they will change to GYN (Gentoo Yearly Newsletter) > :) > > > Maybe you joke will become the truth. Currently, Gentoo has not updated its installation CD for a long time! -- Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Friday 11 January 2008, Shaochun Wang wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 09:58:16AM +0100, Pongracz Istvan wrote: > > 2008. 01. 11, p茅ntek keltez茅ssel 09.37-kor Daniel Pielmeier ezt > > 铆rta: > > > > Or they will change to GYN (Gentoo Yearly Newsletter) > > > > :) > > > > > > Maybe you joke will become the truth. Currently, Gentoo has not > updated its installation CD for a long time! Why do you think gentoo *needs* to update it's install CD? -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
2008/1/11, Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 09:58:16AM +0100, Pongracz Istvan wrote: > > > > 2008. 01. 11, p茅ntek keltez茅ssel 09.37-kor Daniel Pielmeier ezt 铆rta: > > > > > > Or they will change to GYN (Gentoo Yearly Newsletter) > > :) > > > > > > > > Maybe you joke will become the truth. Currently, Gentoo has not updated > its installation CD for a long time! > You can use other means of information, join gentoo-dev or the forums for example to get informed. Gentoo does not need any kind of installation CD. You can use other Live CD's for installing Gentoo if you have hardware which is not supported by the latest Gentoo Release. Just for updating your installation there is no need for any installation media, execpt you do not have a proper internet-connection. So just sync and update!
[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Daniel Pielmeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gentoo does not need any kind of installation CD. You can use other > Live CD's for installing Gentoo if you have hardware which is not > supported by the latest Gentoo Release. Absolutely correct! It would be good, though, if "them Gentoo folks" would point to other Live CDs (like GRML or whatever) on the appropriate places. At is right now, people might (IMO) rightfully think, that the only way to install Gentoo is with the help of a Gentoo install CD, as that's what's linked to in the documentation. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] stable non-anonymous free http proxy
Andrew Gaydenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anybody recommend such proxy? Due to routing error between me and a > site I'm interested in I can no access the site. Of course, ad-free proxy > is better :-) You're looking for something like http://proxy.org/? Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 11:19 AM, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008, Galevsky wrote: > > You can say that devs have no time to make it, but please, don't tell > > that Gentoo doesn't need any installCD (outdated means no CD at all > > for many computers nowaday). > > Please tell me where I said any such thing. As I said, outdated means no CD at all for many computers nowaday. And I tought you told us that the current Gentoo installCD has no need to be upgraded. > I'll give you a clue - I didn't. I asked you why you think the install > CD needs updated. I misunderstood your question... > Apparently your answer to that is that you have a ICH9 machine. That's > fine, it's reasonable to need that supported on the BootCD. Was it > really necessary to take out your frustrations/whatever with the > installer on me on a public mailing list? Hmmm? Sorry if I were rude with you Alan, it was not my intentions, plus I mixed up you question with the affirmation "no need to update". Gal' -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Shaochun Wang: > > >> Currently, Gentoo has not updated >> its installation CD for a long time! >> > > They don't need to. One week ago I used a GRML cd to install a new Gentoo > system. > > Bye... > > Dirk > Knoppix will work too. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Shaochun Wang: > Currently, Gentoo has not updated > its installation CD for a long time! They don't need to. One week ago I used a GRML cd to install a new Gentoo system. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe you joke will become the truth. Currently, Gentoo has not updated > its installation CD for a long time! Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast. To install Gentoo, I'd boot my favorite "rescue system" (GRMl nowadays, Knoppix back then, but IMO Knoppix is too "fat" for *this* *task*) and install from there. No need for an install CD. As far as I'm concerned, the Gentoo install CD could easily be dropped without a loss. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 10:38 AM, Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Shaochun Wang: > > > Currently, Gentoo has not updated > > its installation CD for a long time! > > They don't need to. One week ago I used a GRML cd to install a new Gentoo > system. & On Jan 11, 2008 10:22 AM, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why do you think gentoo *needs* to update it's install CD? Because Gentoo is a distro, and as a distro, it should have a way to be installed on a computer... I upgraded my hardware recently and my previous gentoo distro was not able to boot (ICH9 + JMicron controller) because no SATA HD was recognized with my old 2.6.18 kernel the only way to boot was livecd with right kernel/modules. But Gentoo was not able to provide a *so basic feature*, the one that let me boot on my computer and you see no needs with that ? Well, if Gentoo is not able to make my computer booting, it is sure that I have no need to get maintained portage nor any one of the ebuilds... To fix my problem, I had a look at other distro LiveCD, but had a too old kernel inside, then fell back to a custom-made Gentoo LiveCD found on the gentoo forums. Maybe *YOU* don't have the need to spend hours looking for an installCD/LiveCD, but it is a true one for lots of people that faced this problem. What Gentoo have to tell to these people ? Let's get to hell since Gentoo installCD is outdated ? You can say that devs have no time to make it, but please, don't tell that Gentoo doesn't need any installCD (outdated means no CD at all for many computers nowaday). Gal' -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 11:02 AM, Michael Schmarck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I > also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast. To > install Gentoo, I'd boot my favorite "rescue system" (GRMl nowadays, > Knoppix back then, but IMO Knoppix is too "fat" for *this* *task*) > and install from there. No need for an install CD. > > As far as I'm concerned, the Gentoo install CD could easily be dropped > without a loss. > > Michael I'll try to make you understand it. GRML ? Knoppix ? other LiveCD ? What for, man ? Using extra rescue systems is a liberty, of course, but why should it be a must ? I always installed my gentoo from the current gentoo installCD since I see no gain in downloading and burning one more system... when I have a portage-inside one at disposal ! I don't want to take care about versions and news about other distros/rescue systems, since I am using Gentoo which provides me all I need to setup. So, of course, as far as one of linux distro at least will provide a way to boot up an up-to-date kernel, all the other distros won't have to maintain their own releases, but in the end, I am not sure that the whole community wants to launch the Windows Ubuntu installer, download the required packages manager from the web and update the system from the good repository. Gal' -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel setting for frame buffer (2.6.23-r5)
Howdy, emerge sys-libs/lrmi then from a console run: vbetest this will display the video modes your graphics card supports. Note I had differing results running from an xterm, so I suggest running from a console with X stopped. You might want to look at using uvesa: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/uvesafb/ I'm in the middle of getting the new fbsplash stuff installed (didn't work first try :-) but the higher res console works fine with uvesa (which is what I really wanted in the first place). HTH, Roy -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
Galevsky schrieb: > On Jan 11, 2008 10:38 AM, Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Shaochun Wang: >> >> >>> Currently, Gentoo has not updated >>> its installation CD for a long time! >>> >> They don't need to. One week ago I used a GRML cd to install a new Gentoo >> system. >> > > & > > On Jan 11, 2008 10:22 AM, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Why do you think gentoo *needs* to update it's install CD? >> > > Because Gentoo is a distro, and as a distro, it should have a way to > be installed on a computer... I upgraded my hardware recently and my > previous gentoo distro was not able to boot (ICH9 + JMicron > controller) because no SATA HD was recognized with my old 2.6.18 > kernel the only way to boot was livecd with right kernel/modules. > But Gentoo was not able to provide a *so basic feature*, the one that > let me boot on my computer and you see no needs with that ? Well, > if Gentoo is not able to make my computer booting, it is sure that I > have no need to get maintained portage nor any one of the ebuilds... > > [..] > > Gal' > Right, basicly telling people "You have to depend on / use other distros to install our OS, cause we are not able to / don´t have time to provide this" sounds a little fishy. It makes Gentoo look incomplete. MHO Norman -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
The 2007.1 release has been canceled by the release-engineering-team because of multiple-problems, maybe there will be a 2008.0 release with fresh install-media. Again i recommend join gentoo-dev and you will see what is going on! -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install CD (was: Is GWN dead?)
Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: > It would be good, though, if "them Gentoo folks" > would point to other Live CDs (like GRML or whatever) on the > appropriate places. They do. The "Alternative Installation Guide" is mentioned and linked in the "Gentoo Handbook", Chapter 1. Isn't that an appropriate place? Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Friday 11 January 2008, Galevsky wrote: > You can say that devs have no time to make it, but please, don't tell > that Gentoo doesn't need any installCD (outdated means no CD at all > for many computers nowaday). Please tell me where I said any such thing. I'll give you a clue - I didn't. I asked you why you think the install CD needs updated. Apparently your answer to that is that you have a ICH9 machine. That's fine, it's reasonable to need that supported on the BootCD. Was it really necessary to take out your frustrations/whatever with the installer on me on a public mailing list? Hmmm? -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008, Galevsky wrote: > >> You can say that devs have no time to make it, but please, don't tell >> that Gentoo doesn't need any installCD (outdated means no CD at all >> for many computers nowaday). >> > > Please tell me where I said any such thing. > > I'll give you a clue - I didn't. I asked you why you think the install > CD needs updated. > > Apparently your answer to that is that you have a ICH9 machine. That's > fine, it's reasonable to need that supported on the BootCD. Was it > really necessary to take out your frustrations/whatever with the > installer on me on a public mailing list? Hmmm? > > Isn't it true that not everything can be supported anyway? The CD can hold only so much data before it runs out of space. I suspect that some older hardware is not included to make room for more recent hardware. Also, at the rate things comes out, a new CD would have to be made every few months to keep up. From what I have read on -dev, it is harder to make the CD than some realize. They have a lot to consider on what to include and what to leave out. To clarify, I am talking about the CD that includes distfiles and a snapshot. The minimal CD and DVD is a separate matter. Dale :-) :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 11:30 AM, Daniel Pielmeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The 2007.1 release has been canceled by the release-engineering-team > because of multiple-problems, maybe there will be a 2008.0 release > with fresh install-media. > > Again i recommend join gentoo-dev and you will see what is going on! Be sure: I am currently working for that and I 'll do all my possibilities to invest me in Gentoo. Gal' -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gentoo Install CD : was Is GWN dead?
080111 Michael Schmarck wrote: > Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Currently, Gentoo has not updated its installation CD for a long time! > Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. > I also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast. > To install Gentoo, I'd boot my favorite "rescue system" (GRMl nowadays, > Knoppix back then, but IMO Knoppix is too "fat" for *this* *task*) > and install from there. As far as I'm concerned, > the Gentoo install CD could easily be dropped without a loss. I had to use it to set up my 64-bit system 0710xx : Knoppix didn't have a 64-bit kernel & SystemRescue couldn't connect to my ADSL Internet line. I installed by hand following the steps in the manual with a few tweaks for my own personal needs. I didn't like the Gnome desktop on the CD & wondered why it doesn't use eg Fluxbox, but that's personal taste (smile). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
I'm back :) Anyway, I create some "install" cds for my own and I put it to my website for others. >15 downloads registered. (~8GB transfer for the latest) I also create a fresh stage3 for my usage (just for fun, etc.) and I also put it to my site. 3.6GB downloaded (more than 30). So, it is possible to create your own livecd at any time, just start to play with catalyst :) Cheers, István 2008. 01. 11, péntek keltezéssel 11.50-kor Galevsky ezt írta: > On Jan 11, 2008 11:30 AM, Daniel Pielmeier > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The 2007.1 release has been canceled by the release-engineering-team > > because of multiple-problems, maybe there will be a 2008.0 release > > with fresh install-media. > > > > Again i recommend join gentoo-dev and you will see what is going on! > > Be sure: I am currently working for that and I 'll do all my > possibilities to invest me in Gentoo. > > Gal' -- eGroupWare, gLiveCD, gentoo és barátai http://www.osbusiness.hu „A humor a méltóság támasza, fölényünket hirdeti mindazzal szemben, amit a sors ránk mér.” (Romain Gary) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Friday 11 January 2008, Galevsky wrote: > Sorry if I were rude with you Alan, it was not my intentions, plus I > mixed up you question with the affirmation "no need to update". No problem. Part of the fun of gentoo is you get to figure out how it works and you get to hack it yourself. Kinda like driving an old Ferrari :-) I honestly believe that gentoo is not built for the mass market, so their needs do not apply. The real needs do apply though. An installer that always works and is always current is not an appropriate high-priority need for gentoo. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
David Relson wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:02:08 +0100 Michael Schmarck wrote: Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe you joke will become the truth. Currently, Gentoo has not updated its installation CD for a long time! Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast. To install Gentoo, I'd boot my favorite "rescue system" (GRMl nowadays, Knoppix back then, but IMO Knoppix is too "fat" for *this* *task*) and install from there. No need for an install CD. As far as I'm concerned, the Gentoo install CD could easily be dropped without a loss. Michael I used the Gentoo LiveCD when I started with Gentoo in 2006. Prior Linux experience covered 8 or so years with Slackware, RedHat, and Mandrake. The installation was not smooth. My recollection is that the GUI installer asked for the same information multiple times and there were problems installing packages from the CD's. I ended up with a partial install that needed manual fixing. The process was painful, not smooth, but I was able to get Gentoo up and running. When I upgraded from 32-bits to 64-bits, I started with the minimal CD a binary distr and did a manual upgrade. The process worked well though it was time consuming (since I used my old world file to ensure I had 64 bit versions of everything). By contrast, I've done multiple Mandrake/Mandriva installs, most recently about 6 months ago (on an old laptop). The Mandriva install was dead simple and it was up and running within an hour. IMHO, for new users to Gentoo having an easy to use installer and a current LiveCD (no more than 6 months old) is very important. Regards, David You are missing the point of Gentoo then. We are NOT a binary distro (to repeat ad nauseum). If you want that kind of install, please change distros. I do find these other methods of install to be interesting though. Has anyone on this list ever used a PXE boot image to install? -- Edward A Mihalow Jr Mudbug Computers and Networks Gentoo! Linux Registered Linux User#225662 New Orleans,LA -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 2:25 PM, Eddie Mihalow Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > You are missing the point of Gentoo then. We are NOT a binary distro (to > repeat ad nauseum). If you want that kind of install, please change > distros. I do find these other methods of install to be interesting though. > Has anyone on this list ever used a PXE boot image to install? > With just sources, you can't do anything. Even when you built your LFS you have to download first you toolchain as binaries, before re-compilation. To compile a compiler. you need a compiler. Good. But what is the problem ? No issue here. You just know that without a working PC and toolchain binaries, there is nothing to do. Should we consider that LFS is not a true custom-made system and loads the dice ? Of course not, since in the end, you get the expected result. Same thing here. You are telling me that my not-bootable linux system -possibly out of any network- won't face any issue since there is a repository containing Gentoo sources somewhere and that PXE are not for dogs. Okay... tel me how to install Gentoo in that case. On the contrary, I think installCD is a response to an existing need, and it worth bringing solutions to existing needs. Gentoo is not for me since I can't boot on PXE ? I don't want to give one cent to each Gentoo user that can't boot on PXE but needs an installCD/liveCD first. Gal' -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?
Galevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > tel me how to install Gentoo in that case. Boot from any Live CD (like GRML) and do the installation from there, in a chroot. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
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> With just sources, you can't do anything. Even when you built your LFS
> you have to download first you toolchain as binaries, before
> re-compilation. To compile a compiler. you need a compiler. Good.
> But what is the problem ? No issue here. You just know that without a
> working PC and toolchain binaries, there is nothing to do.
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> Should we consider that LFS is not a true custom-made system and loads
> the dice ? Of course not, since in the end, you get the expected
> result.
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> Same thing here. You are telling me that my not-bootable linux system
> -possibly out of any network- won't face any issue since there is a
> repository containing Gentoo sources somewhere and that PXE are not
> for dogs. Okay... tel me how to install Gentoo in that case. On the
> contrary, I think installCD is a response to an existing need, and it
> worth bringing solutions to existing needs.
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> Gentoo is not for me since I can't boot on PXE ? I don't want to give
> one cent to each Gentoo user that can't boot on PXE but needs an
> installCD/liveCD first.
What is the problem installing Gentoo from a different liveCD, e.g. Knoppix,
then?
As I've said in a earlier email, they are good at making live CDs, take
advantage of it, Gentoo's repository is good and suits the need of people who
want choices and customisation, take advantage of that too.
What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo LiveCD
instead of a Knoppix CD? None!
Stop binding you mind to the concept that "I have to install a Gentoo from a
Gentoo CD", it's not true, start looking at a broader perspective.
Installing Gentoo from other LiveCDs/distros is just as easy as installing from
a Gentoo LiveCD: fdisk, mount, chroot, and emerge. All of these steps are well
documented too.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?
On Jan 11, 2008 8:44 AM, kashani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Holla wrote: > > 192.168.1.1 > > +-+ ++ > > | |---| Router1 |=ASDL conn > > | | ++ > > | | > > | | > > | | > > | |192.168.1.23 +---+ 192.168.2.43 > > | |--| PC1 |))). > > +-+ +---+ . > > . > > Passive Hub . > > 192.168.2.1. > > ++ . > > | Router2|--))).. > > ++ > > | > > | > > +--+ > > | PC2 | > > +--+ > > 192.168.2.24 > > Yep it's a routing problem. > > Router1 needs a route to point back to PC2 so when traffic bound for it > comes it, it'll know what to do with it. > route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.23 > Thanks, I added this route at the Router1 and now can ping 192.168.1.1 at PC2. But still can't ping DNS server from PC2. At PC2 # traceroute 218.248.240.46 (ISP's DNS server) traceroute to 218.248.240.46 (218.248.240.46), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.2.43 (192.168.2.43) 1.730 ms 0.840 ms 0.920 ms 2 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1.440 ms 1.469 ms 1.287 ms 3 * * * 4 * * * At PC1 # traceroute 218.248.240.46 traceroute to 218.248.240.46 (218.248.240.46), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.848 ms 0.706 ms 0.681 ms 2 117.192.128.1 (117.192.128.1) 19.712 ms 18.878 ms 19.920 ms 3 218.248.160.134 (218.248.160.134) 19.292 ms 19.796 ms 19.190 ms Any idea why this is so ? sathish > kashani > > -- > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ebuilds for additional campaigns for games-strategy/wesnoth
> Hi, > > Before I open a bug for this, are ther any such ebuilds? I know they don't > exist in portage, but maybe in some overlay I'm not aware of. > > Thanks... Hi, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember (from last time I used wesnoth) the additional campaigns can be downloaded and installed from within the game itself and this worked correctly? Kind regards, Joost -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 1:46 PM, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's sent multipart, so the pure text can be used alone for users like > Qian Qiao. That's how I've set up my kmail (I can view it as html if I > wish) > > To be honest, it's not really a big deal for a list like this. The text > is 492 bytes, the html is 867 bytes and the whole thing is 4.5k > > In other words, the text and html *together* are still smaller than the > headers :-) I can view you messages as plain text fine, but not Dales, might be something on my part, will have a loot. -- Joe -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?
Holla wrote: > Hi, > I think I have a routing problem with network > shown below (hope my ascii art survives) > > From PC2, I cannot ping 192.168.1.1 and no internet. > Also cannot ping ISP's DNS servers. But there is full > connectivity between PC1 and PC2. > > At PC2, > # traceroute 192.168.1.1 > traceroute to 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 * * * > 2 * * * > > I reached upto this point by following up the > gentoo howtos, but now stuck. Any pointers ? as someone other said, you should setup NAT, there should be enough information on the wiki, but basically iptabales -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.2.0/24 -j MASQUERADE on PC1 should do it, but there might be better ways ;) (note that you need some iptables stuff in the kernel) one other thing, if nat doesn't work, some wireless aps (i'm thinking about the 192.168.2.1) need to have correctly set up default gateway etc... they sometimes try to be to smart and I had sometimes problems when the router was connected as a wireless client to them... btw, why don't you use the wireless on the ROUTER1 (doesn't seem you want to do any firewalling on the PC1)? It might make things much simpler... you could setup the other ap to connect to it in client mode and all your network could then be on the 192.168.1.0/24 and I would gues that your provider NATs the whole subnet... yoyo > > > 192.168.1.1 > +-+ ++ > | |---| Router1 |=ASDL conn > | | ++ > | | > | | > | | > | |192.168.1.23 +---+ 192.168.2.43 > | |--| PC1 |))). > +-+ +---+ . > . > Passive Hub . > 192.168.2.1. > ++ . > | Router2|--))).. > ++ > | > | > +--+ > | PC2 | > +--+ > 192.168.2.24 > > -- > Router1 (UTSStarCom ISP supplied) : > - router IP 192.168.1.1 > - wireless enabled but not used > > -- > PC1: (gentoo) > > - eth0 (192.168.1.23) and wireless (192.168.2.43) > - no iptables configuration > - routing table entries >Kernel IP routing table >Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse > Iface >192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 ra0 >192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 > eth0 >loopback* 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo >default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 > eth0 > > > # echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > > # Kernel Networking options > # > CONFIG_UNIX=y > CONFIG_XFRM=y > CONFIG_INET=y > CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER=y > CONFIG_ASK_IP_FIB_HASH=y > CONFIG_IP_FIB_HASH=y > CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_VERBOSE=y > CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TRANSPORT=y > CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TUNNEL=y > CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TRANSPORT=y > CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TUNNEL=y > CONFIG_TCP_CONG_BIC=y > -- > > Router2 (WRT54GL) > - router IP 192.168.2.1 > - wireless enabled and used > -- > PC2 (gentoo) > - static IP address 192.168.2.24 > - routing table entries > > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface > 192.168.2.43* 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 eth0 > 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 > 192.168.1.0 192.168.2.43255.255.255.0 UG0 00 eth0 > loopback* 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo > default 192.168.2.430.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 11:40 AM, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 11 January 2008, Galevsky wrote:
> > Sorry if I were rude with you Alan, it was not my intentions, plus I
> > mixed up you question with the affirmation "no need to update".
>
> No problem.
>
> Part of the fun of gentoo is you get to figure out how it works and you
> get to hack it yourself.
>
> Kinda like driving an old Ferrari :-)
> I honestly believe that gentoo is not built for the mass market, so
> their needs do not apply. The real needs do apply though.
>
> An installer that always works and is always current is not an
> appropriate high-priority need for gentoo.
>
I completely agree with Alan, Gentoo is a metadistro, and it provides
(by Handbook) a LOT of ways to install, spending time on a new CD
every 6 months just to support hardware, while you still need to type
the commands yourself is a waste of time, and the Installer has proven
its not worth the trouble. Its like reinventing the wheel, as we
already have TONS of small, updated LiveCDs all over the web. You just
CAN'T compare a binary distro install with Gentoo, that's like
comparing a Bettle with a Landrover, just because both of them have
explosing engines.
The only thing I like about new releases are the nift livecd gensplash
themes... Lol.
--
Daniel da Veiga
Filosofia de TI: Programadores de verdade consideram o conceito "o que
você vê é o que você tem" tão ruim em editores de texto quanto em
mulheres. Não, o programador de verdade quer um editor de texto do
estilo "você pediu, você levou" - complicado, indecifrável, poderoso,
impiedoso, perigoso.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Ebuilds for additional campaigns for games-strategy/wesnoth
Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Joost Roeleveld: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember (from last time I used > wesnoth) the additional campaigns can be downloaded and installed from > within the game itself and this worked correctly? Yes, but they are stored in the users $HOME, then. An ebuild would likely store them in a systemwide directory, right? Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Friday 11 January 2008, Dale wrote: > Qian Qiao wrote: > > I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client > > cannot render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people > > on the list have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post > > in plain text, at least in this list. > > > > Thanks > > I have it set to send it text for this domain. Is it not sending in > plain text? I have the same settings for other mailing lists as > well. > > Thanks for pointing it out if it is not sending plain text tho. It's sent multipart, so the pure text can be used alone for users like Qian Qiao. That's how I've set up my kmail (I can view it as html if I wish) To be honest, it's not really a big deal for a list like this. The text is 492 bytes, the html is 867 bytes and the whole thing is 4.5k In other words, the text and html *together* are still smaller than the headers :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:35:22 -0600, Dale wrote: > I have it set to send it text for this domain. Is it not sending in > plain text? I have the same settings for other mailing lists as well. You're sending multipart, plain and html, mails. -- Neil Bothwick Stop tagline theft! Copyright your tagline (c) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Galevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 11, 2008 10:38 AM, Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Shaochun Wang: >> >> > Currently, Gentoo has not updated >> > its installation CD for a long time! >> >> They don't need to. One week ago I used a GRML cd to install a new Gentoo >> system. > > & > > On Jan 11, 2008 10:22 AM, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Why do you think gentoo *needs* to update it's install CD? > > Because Gentoo is a distro, and as a distro, it should have a way to > be installed on a computer... And it has - use a Live CD, like GRML and the like. > this problem. What Gentoo have to tell to these people ? Let's get to > hell since Gentoo installCD is outdated ? And that's the reason the Install CD should be dropped. Obviously (by the age of the CD), there's a lack of resources. And IMO the scarce resources would be better spend elsewhere, then in a Live CD/Install CD. > You can say that devs have no time to make it, but please, don't tell > that Gentoo doesn't need any installCD (outdated means no CD at all > for many computers nowaday). It needs some way of a Install CD. I don't think, it needs an install CD of its own. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
Qian Qiao wrote: > > I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client cannot > render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people on the list > have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post in plain text, > at least in this list. > > Thanks > I have it set to send it text for this domain. Is it not sending in plain text? I have the same settings for other mailing lists as well. Thanks for pointing it out if it is not sending plain text tho. Dale
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:02:08 +0100 Michael Schmarck wrote: > Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Maybe you joke will become the truth. Currently, Gentoo has not > > updated its installation CD for a long time! > > Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I > also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast. To > install Gentoo, I'd boot my favorite "rescue system" (GRMl nowadays, > Knoppix back then, but IMO Knoppix is too "fat" for *this* *task*) > and install from there. No need for an install CD. > > As far as I'm concerned, the Gentoo install CD could easily be dropped > without a loss. > > Michael I used the Gentoo LiveCD when I started with Gentoo in 2006. Prior Linux experience covered 8 or so years with Slackware, RedHat, and Mandrake. The installation was not smooth. My recollection is that the GUI installer asked for the same information multiple times and there were problems installing packages from the CD's. I ended up with a partial install that needed manual fixing. The process was painful, not smooth, but I was able to get Gentoo up and running. When I upgraded from 32-bits to 64-bits, I started with the minimal CD and did a manual upgrade. The process worked well though it was time consuming (since I used my old world file to ensure I had 64 bit versions of everything). By contrast, I've done multiple Mandrake/Mandriva installs, most recently about 6 months ago (on an old laptop). The Mandriva install was dead simple and it was up and running within an hour. IMHO, for new users to Gentoo having an easy to use installer and a current LiveCD (no more than 6 months old) is very important. Regards, David -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Ebuilds for additional campaigns for games-strategy/wesnoth
Hi, Before I open a bug for this, are ther any such ebuilds? I know they don't exist in portage, but maybe in some overlay I'm not aware of. Thanks... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Ebuilds for additional campaigns for games-strategy/wesnoth
On Freitag, 11. Januar 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > Hi, > > Before I open a bug for this, are ther any such ebuilds? I know they don't > exist in portage, but maybe in some overlay I'm not aware of. > > Thanks... > > Dirk you can't do that because the user generated scenarios/campaigns are changing too much. And the installing method from within wesnoth works fine - so what is the problem? The additional stuff is not that big. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?
On Jan 11, 2008 10:22 AM, Mike Mazur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > On Jan 11, 2008 12:14 PM, kashani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Holla wrote: > > > 192.168.1.1 > > > +-+ ++ > > > | |---| Router1 |=ASDL conn > > > | | ++ > > > | | > > > | | > > > | | > > > | |192.168.1.23 +---+ 192.168.2.43 > > > | |--| PC1 |))). > > > +-+ +---+ . > > > . > > > Passive Hub . > > > 192.168.2.1. > > > ++ . > > > | Router2|--))).. > > > ++ > > > | > > > | > > > +--+ > > > | PC2 | > > > +--+ > > > 192.168.2.24 > > > > Yep it's a routing problem. > > > > Router1 needs a route to point back to PC2 so when traffic bound for it > > comes it, it'll know what to do with it. > > route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.23 > > Also if you want PC2 to access the net, you would need PC1 to be smart > enough to route/NAT packets from PC2 to Router 1. Thanks, but I only have a very limited understanding of this matter. Does this mean I had to add netfilter to the kernel and configure iptables ? sathish > Mike > > -- > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 12:53 PM, Michael Schmarck
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Galevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > tel me how to install Gentoo in that case.
>
> Boot from any Live CD (like GRML) and do the installation from there,
> in a chroot.
>
And you can use any storage media to hold the important contents of
the CD (portage tree and stage tarball), like a USB stick, or another
CD drive. I believe you can even exchange CDs to use the old install
CD while booting from another (I can't remember right now, but I'm
pretty sure Ive done that in the past).
--
Daniel da Veiga
Filosofia de TI: Programadores de verdade consideram o conceito "o que
você vê é o que você tem" tão ruim em editores de texto quanto em
mulheres. Não, o programador de verdade quer um editor de texto do
estilo "você pediu, você levou" - complicado, indecifrável, poderoso,
impiedoso, perigoso.
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[gentoo-user] Re: emerge of ksh93 erroring out.. who can interpret
"Matthias B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:32:46 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I'm beginning to think I may just drop ksh93. Unfortunately, I've >> grown quite accustomed to using `print' instead of `echo -e' so I will >> have to replace that in a couple dozen scripts... otherwise the >> scripts seem to run fine under bash. (so far.. I haven't tested all of >> them yet) > > Have you tried zsh? I've found it to be much better for scripting than > bash, especially less buggy. And it has a "print" builtin :-) I have yes. However it was many years ago. Probably at least 9 yrs ago. I don't know much now but back then I knew even less. Linux was a labor of love back then. I tried zsh and was thoroughly confused by it. It actually seemed too capable for my meager skills. I never went back. Currently it appears that for my level of usage ksh93 or bash are about the same... I'm rethinking my choice of scripting shell. Mainly because of running into trouble getting it installed. (Alan M. has solved that problem for me too. And it installed without problems when I unmasked it Thank you Alan) On examining current bash I see all the reasons I used ksh93 are now possible in bash... the =~ operator is something I use a lot. I don't now when that entered bash but its there now. Can you say why you think zsh is better? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] External ISDN modem
Has anyone used an external ISDN modem with Gentoo? I see there are a couple articles about setting up ISDN but they seem to be for internal cards. This device uses USB, ethernet, or serial. Just wondering if it might be a big task or not. - Grant -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB Wireless Network Adapter?
> >> Yes i emerge it but after i've unmerged it. > >> > >> So probably was added during this install. > > > > What install do you think has added it? > > > > - Grant > > > > > Yes i've the same: > > ls /lib/firmware/rt73.bin > /lib/firmware/rt73.bin > > But i don't remember to setted up it. > >>> Well, it wasn't the kernel right? :) > >>> > >>> Were you experimenting with driver packages for the rt73 outside of > >>> the kernel? That's where mine came from. If you remove that firmware > >>> your device won't work. I've filed a bug here: > >>> > >>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204314 > >>> > >>> - Grant > >>> > >>> > >> For rt73usb no firmware is needed. Just use vanilla kernel built-in > >> module. > >> > >> as i did: > >> > >> CONFIG_RT2X00=m > >> CONFIG_RT2X00_LIB=m > >> CONFIG_RT2X00_LIB_USB=m > >> CONFIG_RT2X00_LIB_FIRMWARE=y > >> # CONFIG_RT2400PCI is not set > >> # CONFIG_RT2500PCI is not set > >> # CONFIG_RT61PCI is not set > >> # CONFIG_RT2500USB is not set > >> CONFIG_RT73USB=m > >> CONFIG_RT2X00_LIB_DEBUGFS=y > >> CONFIG_RT2X00_DEBUG=y > >> > >> With: > >> > >> [I] sys-kernel/vanilla-sources > >> Installed versions: 2.6.24_rc5(2.6.24_rc5)(02:05:20 > >> 16.12.2007)(-build -symlink) > >> Homepage:http://www.kernel.org > >> Description: Full sources for the Linux kernel > > I'm using vanilla-sources-2.6.24-rc6 and I have the same options > > enabled as you except for the debug stuff, but the driver only works > > if I have /lib/firmware/rt73.bin which is installed by the > > bugs.gentoo.org ebuild for rt73-. Can you verify that you don't > > have that file? > > > > - Grant > > > >> Regards, Kalden. > > I think it's net-wireless/rt2x00 with rt73usb flag Yeah I can't get that to compile even on vanilla-sources-2.6.24-rc7. The developer says it uses a newer version of some wireless stuff that is in git-sources. Are you using vanilla-sources and it compiles? - Grant -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
On Friday 11 January 2008, Qian Qiao wrote: > ack to the installation CD issue, undoubtably, having a nice working > installation CD for gentoo is desirable, but is it really needed? We > are here to do what we are best at. > > LiveCD creators, Knoppix, for example, are good at creating liveCDs > and keeping hardware support on those CDs up-to-date etc etc, we > should take advantage of it. > > Gentoo has a huge package repository, I'd much rather see the devs > focus on making that better, cos that's what they are good at. Reading this, I had a thought: Most of the stuff available in gentoo comes from some upstream place in the grand Free Software tradition. Considering that an installation LiveCD is really just a temporary bootable image that writes stuff to the disk (and that stuff happily turns out to be a permanent bootable image), how about we just treat Knoppix as an upstream package and add a relatively simple program to do the installation? Essentially, it will ask some questions and unpack a stage 3/4 then tell the user to go and read 'man emerge' -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?
On Jan 11, 2008 8:09 PM, YoYo Siska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > one other thing, if nat doesn't work, some wireless aps (i'm thinking > about the 192.168.2.1) need to have correctly set up default gateway > etc... they sometimes try to be to smart and I had sometimes problems > when the router was connected as a wireless client to them... Can you give some clues about what you mean by correctly setup gw ? > > btw, why don't you use the wireless on the ROUTER1 (doesn't seem you > want to do any firewalling on the PC1)? It might make things much > simpler... you could setup the other ap to connect to it in client mode > and all your network could then be on the 192.168.1.0/24 and I would > gues that your provider NATs the whole subnet... Router1 is temporary. My ISP will shortly replace it with a non-wireless version. So I want configure this way. sathish > > > yoyo > > > > > > > > > 192.168.1.1 > > +-+ ++ > > | |---| Router1 |=ASDL conn > > | | ++ > > | | > > | | > > | | > > | |192.168.1.23 +---+ 192.168.2.43 > > | |--| PC1 |))). > > +-+ +---+ . > > . > > Passive Hub . > > 192.168.2.1. > > ++ . > > | Router2|--))).. > > ++ > > | > > | > > +--+ > > | PC2 | > > +--+ > > 192.168.2.24 > > > > -- > > Router1 (UTSStarCom ISP supplied) : > > - router IP 192.168.1.1 > > - wireless enabled but not used > > > > -- > > PC1: (gentoo) > > > > - eth0 (192.168.1.23) and wireless (192.168.2.43) > > - no iptables configuration > > - routing table entries > >Kernel IP routing table > >Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse > > Iface > >192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 > > ra0 > >192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 > > eth0 > >loopback* 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 > > lo > >default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 > > eth0 > > > > > > # echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > > > > > # Kernel Networking options > > # > > CONFIG_UNIX=y > > CONFIG_XFRM=y > > CONFIG_INET=y > > CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER=y > > CONFIG_ASK_IP_FIB_HASH=y > > CONFIG_IP_FIB_HASH=y > > CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_VERBOSE=y > > CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TRANSPORT=y > > CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TUNNEL=y > > CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TRANSPORT=y > > CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TUNNEL=y > > CONFIG_TCP_CONG_BIC=y > > -- > > > > Router2 (WRT54GL) > > - router IP 192.168.2.1 > > - wireless enabled and used > > -- > > PC2 (gentoo) > > - static IP address 192.168.2.24 > > - routing table entries > > > > Kernel IP routing table > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse > > Iface > > 192.168.2.43* 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 eth0 > > 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 > > 192.168.1.0 192.168.2.43255.255.255.0 UG0 00 eth0 > > loopback* 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo > > default 192.168.2.430.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 > > > > -- > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 10:38 AM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008, Galevsky wrote: > > > You can say that devs have no time to make it, but please, don't tell > that Gentoo doesn't need any installCD (outdated means no CD at all > for many computers nowaday). > > Please tell me where I said any such thing. > > I'll give you a clue - I didn't. I asked you why you think the install > CD needs updated. > > Apparently your answer to that is that you have a ICH9 machine. That's > fine, it's reasonable to need that supported on the BootCD. Was it > really necessary to take out your frustrations/whatever with the > installer on me on a public mailing list? Hmmm? > > > > Isn't it true that not everything can be supported anyway? The CD can hold > only so much data before it runs out of space. I suspect that some older > hardware is not included to make room for more recent hardware. > > Also, at the rate things comes out, a new CD would have to be made every > few months to keep up. From what I have read on -dev, it is harder to make > the CD than some realize. They have a lot to consider on what to include > and what to leave out. > > To clarify, I am talking about the CD that includes distfiles and a > snapshot. The minimal CD and DVD is a separate matter. > > Dale I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client cannot render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people on the list have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post in plain text, at least in this list. Thanks -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install CD : was Is GWN dead?
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:41:09 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > I didn't like the Gnome desktop on the CD > & wondered why it doesn't use eg Fluxbox, but that's personal taste > (smile). I understand they are switching to a lighter desktop for the next release, because GNOME was using too much of the CD that was needed for packages. -- Neil Bothwick 8088 = model T Ford. Pentium = supercharged 400 horsepower model T Ford. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Routing problem ?
Richard Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't understand why 2 routers. Maybe I'm missing something. Unless > you have 2 networks that need to be separate only one is needed. If > you have a wireless router, use it as a wireless access point and not > a router. Which means turn off DHCP on the wireless router and don't > configure or use the WAN connection. Depending on the capabilities of > the router you can connect a LAN port on Router2 to your ADSL > (Router1) router and assign an IP address that's in the same network > as Router1. I agree, but Richard, (and this is just a request from a confused participant) please take a moment to pare down your reply and then insert your message where it makes some sense, don't just blob it on top and further confuse things. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] External ISDN modem
I used a 3com ISDN modem for net and voice for a while. It had an ethernet connection and a USB. I used the ethernet port to connect to my gentoo box. It was just easier. - Original Message From: Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gentoo mailing list Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:04:25 AM Subject: [gentoo-user] External ISDN modem Has anyone used an external ISDN modem with Gentoo? I see there are a couple articles about setting up ISDN but they seem to be for internal cards. This device uses USB, ethernet, or serial. Just wondering if it might be a big task or not. - Grant -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Update After A Year
Randy Barlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I will also participate on this thread hijack (but Hal, don't hijack > anymore. It makes your mom angry!) I would actually check more than > just /etc/pam.d/* if you don't find it there because it's possible for > mail servers or web servers to use these things the old way too! Me too but Randy's advice is important. An angry mom can ruin your day... hehe * Your current setup is using one or more of the following modules, * that are not built or supported anymore: pam_pwdb, pam_radius, * pam_timestamp, pam_console If you are in real need for these * modules, please contact the maintainers of PAM through * http://bugs.gentoo.org/ providing information about its use * cases. Please also make sure to read the PAM Upgrade guide at * the following URL: * http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/pam/upgrade-0.99.xml I got that non-sense a while ago too and never did find anything but commented lines. I think the warning may be invoked improperly under some conditions. But others more knowledgeable may disagree. My solution was to uninstall the current pam completely disregarding dependencies, and then emerge the new one. It worked here but please BE CAREFUL I think its possible to cause some problems since we are dealing with things like login. Definitely don't try it remotely. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Friday 11 January 2008, Dale wrote: > Qian Qiao wrote: > > I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client > > cannot render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people on > > the list have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post in > > plain text, at least in this list. > > > > Thanks > > I have it set to send it text for this domain. Is it not sending in > plain text? I have the same settings for other mailing lists as well. > > Thanks for pointing it out if it is not sending plain text tho. It seems you're sending a multipart/alternative, which means that the message contains both the plain text and the html (in separate sections of course), and it's up to the MUA of the receiver to choose which to display. At least that's what I'm seeing here. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?
I don't understand why 2 routers. Maybe I'm missing something. Unless you have 2 networks that need to be separate only one is needed. If you have a wireless router, use it as a wireless access point and not a router. Which means turn off DHCP on the wireless router and don't configure or use the WAN connection. Depending on the capabilities of the router you can connect a LAN port on Router2 to your ADSL (Router1) router and assign an IP address that's in the same network as Router1. - Original Message From: Holla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:18:37 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ? On Jan 11, 2008 10:22 AM, Mike Mazur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > On Jan 11, 2008 12:14 PM, kashani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Holla wrote: > > > 192.168.1.1 > > > +-+ ++ > > > | |---| Router1 |=ASDL conn > > > | | ++ > > > | | > > > | | > > > | | > > > | |192.168.1.23 +---+ 192.168.2.43 > > > | |--| PC1 |))). > > > +-+ +---+ . > > > . > > > Passive Hub . > > > 192.168.2.1. > > > ++ . > > > | Router2|--))).. > > > ++ > > > | > > > | > > > +--+ > > > | PC2 | > > > +--+ > > > 192.168.2.24 > > > > Yep it's a routing problem. > > > > Router1 needs a route to point back to PC2 so when traffic bound for it > > comes it, it'll know what to do with it. > > route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.23 > > Also if you want PC2 to access the net, you would need PC1 to be smart > enough to route/NAT packets from PC2 to Router 1. Thanks, but I only have a very limited understanding of this matter. Does this mean I had to add netfilter to the kernel and configure iptables ? sathish > Mike > > -- > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
YoYo Siska wrote: Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: Has anyone on this list ever used a PXE boot image to install? well, not exactly a PXE boot image... i had to install gentoo on thinkpad X41T (no cd) some time ago, and I wasn't able to boot from usb directly ( don't really remember why ;) so i dumped the minimal cd on my usb stick, copied the kernel and initrd to other machine and booted it through PXE, the kernel/initrd found the usb stick (and thought it to be the livecd ;) and everything worked fine... yoyo Cool, that's a very interesting way to install! -- Edward A Mihalow Jr Gentoo! Linux Mudbug Computers and Networks Registered Linux User#225662 New Orleans,LA -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: > Has anyone on this list ever used a PXE boot image to install? > well, not exactly a PXE boot image... i had to install gentoo on thinkpad X41T (no cd) some time ago, and I wasn't able to boot from usb directly ( don't really remember why ;) so i dumped the minimal cd on my usb stick, copied the kernel and initrd to other machine and booted it through PXE, the kernel/initrd found the usb stick (and thought it to be the livecd ;) and everything worked fine... yoyo -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Michael Schmarck schrieb: > · Norman Rieß <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> Right, basicly telling people "You have to depend on / use other distros >> to install our OS, cause we are not able to / don´t have time to provide >> this" sounds a little fishy. It makes Gentoo look incomplete. >> > > Well, but providing outdated (ie. non-usable for new systems) install > medium is also very bad. And if the installer doesn't work (satisfactory), > then that gives an even worse impression. > > Michael Schmarck > I agree. And i don't think that this is contradicting my statement, does it? Norman
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge of ksh93 erroring out.. who can interpret
"Matthias B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:18:44 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Can you say why you think zsh is better?
>
> The bugs. I've hit lots of bash bugs in the past and every version seems
> to fix some bugs and introduce new ones. I'm tired of adding new
> workarounds to my scripts whenever I update bash.
I hope this doesn't come off as just being picky but my perspective is
that of someone who is about to switch from using ksh93 as main
scripting shell to bash.
So I'm interested in what I might run into. So far it looks like it
would be ALMOST as easy as symlinking ksh to bash in /bin.
The two big things I see that will cause that not to work are lots of
calls to `print' and that bash does not understand the easy way you
can create an array in ksh:
`set -A array somecmd'
creating an array of the output of somecmd.
So the print calls and array creation would cause failure in nearly
all my scripts.
Someone on comp.unix.shell pointed out I could create a
`print() { echo -e "$@" }'
function in bash and add that to my old ksh scripts. So that would
cover the print calls in most cases but still pondering the array
part.
I don't have so many with array calls but enough that it would be some
work to fix.
But back to your comments. "The bugs. [...]"
Can you cite some actual examples of what you are talking about, with
enough detail so I can see what you mean? Maybe include one or two of
the workarounds you are tired of dealing with?
--
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge of ksh93 erroring out.. who can interpret
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:18:44 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can you say why you think zsh is better? The bugs. I've hit lots of bash bugs in the past and every version seems to fix some bugs and introduce new ones. I'm tired of adding new workarounds to my scripts whenever I update bash. MSB -- My vacuum cleaner can't swallow bananas. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] x11-drm fails to emerge
Can anyone perhaps suggest a fix to allow me to emerge x11-base/x11-drm-20060608: . . . sh ../scripts/create_linux_pci_lists.sh < ../shared-core/drm_pciids.txt rm -f linux ln -s . linux make -C /usr/src/linux SUBDIRS=`pwd` DRMSRCDIR=`pwd` modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.23-gentoo-r3' CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_auth.o CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_bufs.o CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_context.o CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_dma.o CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_drawable.o CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_drv.o CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_fops.o /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_fops.c: In function 'drm_stub_open': /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_fops.c:189: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_ioctl.o CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_irq.o /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_irq.c: In function 'drm_irq_install': /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_irq.c:132: warning: 'deprecated_irq_flag' is deprecated (declared at include/linux/interrupt.h:64) /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_irq.c:135: warning: passing argument 2 of 'request_irq' from incompatible pointer type CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_lock.o CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_memory.o CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_proc.o CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_stub.o /var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_stub.c:51: error: size of array 'type name' is negative make[2]: *** [/var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core/drm_stub.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [_module_/var/tmp/portage/x11-base/x11-drm-20060608/work/drm/linux-core] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.23-gentoo-r3' make: *** [modules] Error 2 * Portage could not build the DRM modules. If you see an ACCESS DENIED error, * this could mean that you were using an unsupported kernel build system. All * 2.4 kernels are supported, but only 2.6 kernels at least as new as 2.6.6 * are supported. * * ERROR: x11-base/x11-drm-20060608 failed. * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 1701: Called dyn_compile * ebuild.sh, line 1039: Called qa_call 'src_compile' * ebuild.sh, line 44: Called src_compile * x11-drm-20060608.ebuild, line 99: Called die_error * x11-drm-20060608.ebuild, line 224: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * die "Unable to build DRM modules." * The die message: * Unable to build DRM modules. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo LiveUSB
On Jan 11, 2008 3:00 PM, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: > > 2nd question: I must be dense on this one so someone help me out. > > Since a USB stick is seen as a hard drive, why can't I do a standard > > install to it? Is it because until lately they haven't been large > > enough? I'm thinking of using an 8GB one. > > There's a few reasons: > > 1. The memory used on those devices has a limited life - about 100,000 > writes for the good ones and maybe 10,000 for the bad ones. With a > standard install, frequent writes are the norm (think cache and other > similar things). This usually ends up at the same spot on the disk, > meaning your new install will last about a month if you are lucky. > There are ways around this, for instance how a LiveCD does things. > You are right about the re-write life of flash media. However, there are filesystems which can help by not writing to the same location in the flash media again and again. I recall JFFS2 being a such flash filesystem which is available for linux. > > 2. Booting off it is a pain. You need drivers for the entire USB stack > at boot time, which usually means a ginormous initrd. > Why not compile them in the kernel? > 3. Size, which you mentioned 8GB is pretty large IMHO. You should be able to fit quite some software + data on it. My *entire* gentoo distribution fits in just over 2GB... though I must confess that I am a little minimalistic. _r
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo LiveUSB
On Friday 11 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Friday 11 January 2008, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: > >> 2nd question: I must be dense on this one so someone help me out. > >> Since a USB stick is seen as a hard drive, why can't I do a > >> standard install to it? Is it because until lately they haven't > >> been large enough? I'm thinking of using an 8GB one. > > > > There's a few reasons: > > > > 1. The memory used on those devices has a limited life - about > > 100,000 writes for the good ones and maybe 10,000 for the bad ones. > > With a standard install, frequent writes are the norm (think cache > > and other similar things). This usually ends up at the same spot on > > the disk, meaning your new install will last about a month if you > > are lucky. There are ways around this, for instance how a LiveCD > > does things. > Does desktop RAM get constantly refreshed while powered and it > doesn't need to keep any data when not powered? > Is that the difference? I'm not sure what you are asking - you're question is poorly framed. So I'll answer what I think you are asking. USB sticks use flash RAM and other non-volatile memory technologies. It's not a magnetic disk, it does use transistors but is otherwise completely different to desktop RAM. It's also a whole lot slower. The operating system is almost constantly writing stuff to the disk, and not just swap space - many apps cache information and it has to be stored somewhere. This is not a problem for magnetic disks as they don;t really have a limit on the number of times they can be written to. Flash memory does, it stops working after a time. So once you write to a memory cell say 50,000 times, it's probably useless. Trouble is, you have no way of knowing which cells no longer work, so you have a disk with random corruptions. This is usually considered to be a VeryBadThing(tm). alan -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo LiveUSB
> On Friday 11 January 2008, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: >> 2nd question: I must be dense on this one so someone help me out. >> Since a USB stick is seen as a hard drive, why can't I do a standard >> install to it? Is it because until lately they haven't been large >> enough? I'm thinking of using an 8GB one. > > There's a few reasons: > > 1. The memory used on those devices has a limited life - about 100,000 > writes for the good ones and maybe 10,000 for the bad ones. With a > standard install, frequent writes are the norm (think cache and other > similar things). This usually ends up at the same spot on the disk, > meaning your new install will last about a month if you are lucky. > There are ways around this, for instance how a LiveCD does things. > > 2. Booting off it is a pain. You need drivers for the entire USB stack > at boot time, which usually means a ginormous initrd. > > 3. Size, which you mentioned > > -- > Alan McKinnon > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com > -- > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list > > Does desktop RAM get constantly refreshed while powered and it doesn't need to keep any data when not powered? Is that the difference? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] KDE4 overlay
Hi, Anyone know where this overlay disappeared to? alan -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Routing problem ?
Holla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Jan 11, 2008 8:09 PM, YoYo Siska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> one other thing, if nat doesn't work, some wireless aps (i'm thinking >> about the 192.168.2.1) need to have correctly set up default gateway >> etc... they sometimes try to be to smart and I had sometimes problems >> when the router was connected as a wireless client to them... > > Can you give some clues about what you mean by correctly setup gw ? Hey guys... it would help if you trim your posts so there isn't so much in each message. By correct gateway I think in this case it would be the inward facing address of pc1 (192.168.2.43) so on router2 you would set the gw to that address. And on pc2 the gw would be 192.168.2.1. That is unless router2 is just a WAP (wireless access point). But I'm not sure I understand all of this. It might be good to include the make of the routers (even model number might matter). Excuse me if this info is already in these monster size messages somewhere but: If you redo the diagram please include this information: make and model of router2 What OS is running on pc1 and pc2 Annotate in one line what gateways are set at the various points. The adsl router make and model may not matter too much. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] External ISDN modem
Grant wrote: Has anyone used an external ISDN modem with Gentoo? Yep. I used USR Courier IModems (both internal and external) to run a BBS for a few years. Originally, I used OS/2 but I switched to Gentoo Linux eventually. I see there are a couple articles about setting up ISDN but they seem to be for internal cards. This device uses USB, ethernet, or serial. Just wondering if it might be a big task or not. The IModems were serial only but trivial to set up - exactly the same as any serial modem. Given your options, I would almost certainly go for ethernet. Whatever you choose, I can't see huge problems - more trial and error. ;) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?
· Galevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Jan 11, 2008 11:02 AM, Michael Schmarck > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> As far as I'm concerned, the Gentoo install CD could easily be dropped >> without a loss. >> >> Michael > > I'll try to make you understand it. After reading your reply, I've got to say that you failed. > GRML ? Knoppix ? other LiveCD ? What for, man ? Oh, quite easy - to install Gentoo. That way, the knowledge of experts in creating live CDs is leveraged. NIH is not a good point of view, if you ask me. > Using extra rescue > systems is a liberty, of course, but why should it be a must ? I Easy - to make use of expert knowledge. To save resources, as that's obviously a scarcity in Gentoo. > always installed my gentoo from the current gentoo installCD since I Fine. I never did that. > see no gain in downloading and burning one more system... Uhm? That doesn't make sense. Downloading GRML is no worse than downloading a Gentoo Live CD. > [...] I don't want to take care about > versions Me neither, but that's a dream. > and news about other distros/rescue systems, since I am using > Gentoo which provides me all I need to setup. Fine for you. That's obviously not the case for Shaochun. > So, of course, as far as > one of linux distro at least will provide a way to boot up an > up-to-date kernel, all the other distros won't have to maintain their > own releases, but in the end, I am not sure that the whole community > wants to launch the Windows Ubuntu installer, download the required > packages manager from the web and update the system from the good > repository. I don't get, what you were trying to say here. Michael Schmarck -- Real programmers don't draw flowcharts. Flowcharts are, after all, the illiterate's form of documentation. Cavemen drew flowcharts; look how much good it did them. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
· Norman Rieß <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Right, basicly telling people "You have to depend on / use other distros > to install our OS, cause we are not able to / don´t have time to provide > this" sounds a little fishy. It makes Gentoo look incomplete. Well, but providing outdated (ie. non-usable for new systems) install medium is also very bad. And if the installer doesn't work (satisfactory), then that gives an even worse impression. Michael Schmarck -- The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Galevsky wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 2:25 PM, Eddie Mihalow Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote You are missing the point of Gentoo then. We are NOT a binary distro (to repeat ad nauseum). If you want that kind of install, please change distros. I do find these other methods of install to be interesting though. Has anyone on this list ever used a PXE boot image to install? With just sources, you can't do anything. Even when you built your LFS you have to download first you toolchain as binaries, before re-compilation. To compile a compiler. you need a compiler. Good. But what is the problem ? No issue here. You just know that without a working PC and toolchain binaries, there is nothing to do. Should we consider that LFS is not a true custom-made system and loads the dice ? Of course not, since in the end, you get the expected result. Same thing here. You are telling me that my not-bootable linux system -possibly out of any network- won't face any issue since there is a repository containing Gentoo sources somewhere and that PXE are not for dogs. Okay... tel me how to install Gentoo in that case. On the contrary, I think installCD is a response to an existing need, and it worth bringing solutions to existing needs. Gentoo is not for me since I can't boot on PXE ? I don't want to give one cent to each Gentoo user that can't boot on PXE but needs an installCD/liveCD first. Gal' I think you are talking to the wrong person in your reply. I was talking to the fellow who used the live install cd and was comparing it to Mandrake/Mandriva, so your answer is off point. Also if you use Acronis and a image server you can have an image from a pre-built machine. I was asking more the sys admins in the group about how they deloyed onto new machines. Please take your panties out of that knot. -- Edward A Mihalow Jr Gentoo! Linux Mudbug Computers and Networks Registered Linux User#225662 New Orleans,LA -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] gentoo-dev
I would have looked this up myself but I'm not able to access the net at this time. But may I have the proper steps to register to the gentoo-dev ml? Thank you! Regards, Richard -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gentoo LiveUSB
I've been looking at LiveUSB's lately, specifically ones for Gentoo. Found one on the Gentoo Documentation and another on Pendrive and several others. Problem is that all of these do not allow you to save changes. Has anyone made a persistent Gentoo LiveUSB? Google hasn't helped here. Most persistents seem to be Ubuntu and involve something called Casper. 2nd question: I must be dense on this one so someone help me out. Since a USB stick is seen as a hard drive, why can't I do a standard install to it? Is it because until lately they haven't been large enough? I'm thinking of using an 8GB one. Tony -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo LiveUSB
On Friday 11 January 2008, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: > 2nd question: I must be dense on this one so someone help me out. > Since a USB stick is seen as a hard drive, why can't I do a standard > install to it? Is it because until lately they haven't been large > enough? I'm thinking of using an 8GB one. There's a few reasons: 1. The memory used on those devices has a limited life - about 100,000 writes for the good ones and maybe 10,000 for the bad ones. With a standard install, frequent writes are the norm (think cache and other similar things). This usually ends up at the same spot on the disk, meaning your new install will last about a month if you are lucky. There are ways around this, for instance how a LiveCD does things. 2. Booting off it is a pain. You need drivers for the entire USB stack at boot time, which usually means a ginormous initrd. 3. Size, which you mentioned -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:15:49 -0500 David Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I used the Gentoo LiveCD when I started with Gentoo in 2006. Prior > Linux experience covered 8 or so years with Slackware, RedHat, and > Mandrake. > > The installation was not smooth. My recollection is that the GUI > installer asked for the same information multiple times and there were > problems installing packages from the CD's. I ended up with a partial > install that needed manual fixing. The process was painful, not > smooth, but I was able to get Gentoo up and running. > > When I upgraded from 32-bits to 64-bits, I started with the minimal CD > and did a manual upgrade. The process worked well though it was time > consuming (since I used my old world file to ensure I had 64 bit > versions of everything). > > By contrast, I've done multiple Mandrake/Mandriva installs, most > recently about 6 months ago (on an old laptop). The Mandriva install > was dead simple and it was up and running within an hour. > > IMHO, for new users to Gentoo having an easy to use installer and a > current LiveCD (no more than 6 months old) is very important. > > Regards, > > David IMO, comparing a source distro with a binary distro in terms of installation time is a bit unfair. There are a couple of other things you also have to look at: * Binary distros vendors need to optimize for compatibility. Take i686 as an example, the same binary might be running on Pentium III, Pentium 4, Athlon and a series of other hardwares. The advantage is quite obvious, if you ask for vendor support, they know exactly how the software is compiled, what compiler flag they used, what patches they applied. The disadvantage is also obvious, say a particular compiler flag can increase the performance of the software on your architecture, but breaks compatibility of the binaries with other architectures, do you think the vendor will have that flag set? * Source distros, on the contrary, lets you control how you want your software to be build, what flags to use etc etc, at the price of much much longer compilation time and much harder for vendors to support you. In someway, you can even think that source distros lets to you imprint you personality onto your system, you can go for aggressive -O3, or just optimize size for -Os, you can - -mfpmath=sse if you know you have the hardware. Back to the installation CD issue, undoubtably, having a nice working installation CD for gentoo is desirable, but is it really needed? We are here to do what we are best at. LiveCD creators, Knoppix, for example, are good at creating liveCDs and keeping hardware support on those CDs up-to-date etc etc, we should take advantage of it. Gentoo has a huge package repository, I'd much rather see the devs focus on making that better, cos that's what they are good at. There's no need to look at different distros with borders and boundaries and have you mind bound on the concept that "I need to use a gentoo CD to install gentoo". All these distros/liveCDs are here to help us get the job done, isn't that what free software is about? Isn't that what choice is about? - -- Joe - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told "go to hell", considers the "go to" harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHh3bQYRtjrLFGYdkRAk/AAKCxkBz3qh06b7trQANYJfttVdJzhACeLYmN KAp9ds76DiiQv+Dw3spyBhQ= =2Wr/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge of ksh93 erroring out.. who can interpret
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:56:11 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can you cite some actual examples of what you are talking about, with > enough detail so I can see what you mean? Maybe include one or two of > the workarounds you are tired of dealing with? One thing I encountered is this bug > echo "$(echo $';foo')" bash: foo: command not found introduced with some 3.1 version. Then at some point the following stopped working for d in `echo $locdirs | sed -e 's#/# #g'`; do because bash stupidly regarded the embedded # as comment delimters and complained about not finding the closing backtick. Both bugs are fixed now. Both cases broke scripts that I had released as part of a project and therefore caused bug reports against my script. There were others but I don't have the time to dig them out. I'm not trying to convince you to stay away from bash, just telling you my reasons. Oh, I forgot to mention that I found the zsh developers much easier to get in touch with and much more responsive about bug reports. But all of this is off-topic for gentoo-user, so I'll stop now. MSB -- The biggest fallacy of the SETI project is the belief that TV signals are a sign of intelligence! -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?
Mike Mazur wrote: Router1 needs a route to point back to PC2 so when traffic bound for it comes it, it'll know what to do with it. route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.23 Also if you want PC2 to access the net, you would need PC1 to be smart enough to route/NAT packets from PC2 to Router 1. Not true in this case. Router1 is the NAT device and everything else is internal or so I assumed. You don't want NAT behind NAT on your network if you can help it. It tends to break things and is hard to troubleshoot. PC1 does need to have IP forwarding turned on which the original poster mentioned he configured. The tests I would run are: ping 192.168.2.43 from router1. That'll test that router1 knows how to get to 192.168.2.0. I don't think packet forwarding has to be working for this to return since the interfaces are all local on PC1. ping router 1 from PC2 and vice versa. That'll make sure that PC1 is forwarding packets correctly. If both of these are fine, it's possible the router1 is not NATing 192.168.2.0/24 addresses. kashani -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
· Daniel da Veiga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > CD drive. I believe you can even exchange CDs to use the old install > CD while booting from another Depends... With GRML and Knoppix, there's a "toram" (or something like that) kernel parameter, which copies the CD (in compressed form) to RAM. Only then, you can remove the CD. But this means, that you need to have at least 1 GB of RAM (800 megs for CD and something to be able to work). IMO that 1 GB of RAM would be better spend somewhere else during compilation time. Michael Schmarck -- "There is no statute of limitations on stupidity." -- Randomly produced by a computer program called Markov3. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-dev
Hi, You should send an empty mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marzan, Richard non Unisys a écrit : > I would have looked this up myself but I'm not able to access > the net at this time. But may I have the proper steps to register to the > gentoo-dev ml? Thank you! > > Regards, > > Richard -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hal Martin wrote: > I installed Gentoo from inside Ubuntu 6.10 (my previous system) through > chroot. This was because I couldn't use a LiveCD as I have an AMD64 > based system. > > Knoppix and many other LiveCDs are 32bit, as that is currently what a > majority of computers out there are. So, unless you can point me to a > 64bit LiveCD that isn't some alternate version of a binary distribution > I believe we still need a Gentoo install CD. There are in fact quite of few of 64bit LiveCDs. Knoppix64 being one of them. A simple Google gives me this: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php where you can even filter LiveCDs. > > Some people's arguments are that we should rely on other LiveCDs to > build a Gentoo system as this will give the devs more time to work on > things that they feel are more important. I would agree with them > normally, but I'd rather download one CD that contains all the stuff I > need than download a Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/Mandriva LiveCD (all of those > distributions provide a 64bit LiveCD) and the stage tarball. Even with a LiveCD with a stage tarball on it, you will still need to download additional stuff during the installation, you will still need to sync the portage tree if you want your system to be up-to-date. It's almost the same as to downloading a LiveCD and downloading the tarball separately, so I honestly don't think you can save much work by having a stage tarball on a LiveCD. > > Sure, if you're on a 32bit system, any LiveCD will work well for > building a Gentoo system. However, if you happen to be one of the > growing number of people who have purchased a 64bit system (such as an > AMD Athlon, Opteron, or an Intel Pentium D (some models), Pentium Dual > core (E21xx series), Core 2 Duo/Quad, or a Xeon system) and want to run > Gentoo 64bit, your install options are suddenly very limited. I myself have 3 machines, a Athlon64X2, a Core2 Duo and a Pentium III, I've used Gentoo minimal, Knoppix and Knoppix64 CDs during my installation on these 3 machines and I haven't encounter any problem using any of them, and that's why I said earlier in the thread that LiveCDs really doesn't matter, as long as you can boot, fdisk, mount, chroot, emerge, you are fine :) I hope I've provided you with some useful information. - -- Joe - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told "go to hell", considers the "go to" harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHh+89YRtjrLFGYdkRAqubAKC+5mfW9+EYTyd8eKSo5H/G4DVbZQCg3aF9 0aYjVKGwCEKwQJ+hRzO8Ao0= =Hjvf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
I installed Gentoo from inside Ubuntu 6.10 (my previous system) through chroot. This was because I couldn't use a LiveCD as I have an AMD64 based system. Knoppix and many other LiveCDs are 32bit, as that is currently what a majority of computers out there are. So, unless you can point me to a 64bit LiveCD that isn't some alternate version of a binary distribution I believe we still need a Gentoo install CD. Some people's arguments are that we should rely on other LiveCDs to build a Gentoo system as this will give the devs more time to work on things that they feel are more important. I would agree with them normally, but I'd rather download one CD that contains all the stuff I need than download a Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/Mandriva LiveCD (all of those distributions provide a 64bit LiveCD) and the stage tarball. Sure, if you're on a 32bit system, any LiveCD will work well for building a Gentoo system. However, if you happen to be one of the growing number of people who have purchased a 64bit system (such as an AMD Athlon, Opteron, or an Intel Pentium D (some models), Pentium Dual core (E21xx series), Core 2 Duo/Quad, or a Xeon system) and want to run Gentoo 64bit, your install options are suddenly very limited. Just my two cents. -Hal Martin Michael Schmarck wrote: > · Norman Rieß <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> Right, basicly telling people "You have to depend on / use other distros >> to install our OS, cause we are not able to / don´t have time to provide >> this" sounds a little fishy. It makes Gentoo look incomplete. >> > > Well, but providing outdated (ie. non-usable for new systems) install > medium is also very bad. And if the installer doesn't work (satisfactory), > then that gives an even worse impression. > > Michael Schmarck > -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Galevsky wrote: > Yes it is. Portage is not included Huh? If are talking about installation, then whether the LiveCD carries portage or not is irrelavent, portage is in the stage tarball you fetch over the internet. > you depend on other systems that > don't mind about Gentoo needs and could go on different way, and I > find very strange to have a 2.6.23 stable in Gentoo, but not necessary > on other liveCD at the same time. You don't depend on the LiveCD, it merely boots your computer and gives you fdisk and mount, as soon as you unpack the stage tarball and chroot into it, you are using the binaries from the stage tarball and gentoo's base-layout, and at that point, what the LiveCD is becomes completely irrelavent, so I'm afraid I can't agree with you here. > plus networkless installations... I > think it is very good -for any distro- to have an installCD that > brings a good system to not-connected machines. Just for them. Networkless installations is well documented. Even without gentoo's LiveCD, it can easily be done, some LiveCDs allow you to switch disc, or you can just use portable medias like USB flash. If you Google for it, there are plenty of guides and tutorials, so I won't go into details. > I mean dealing with Gentoo components versions sounds sensible > watching GRML/Knoppix/whatever website for a Gentoo install...surely > less. As I said in the thread earlier, do not bind your mind to the idea that "you need gentoo to install gentoo", the fact is, you don't. The installation steps from knoppixCD/GRML is almost identical to those from a Gentoo CD, with only one exception: they don't come with /mnt/gentoo, so you'll have to mkdir /mnt/gentoo, but if that makes it less sensible as you claimed, I'm afraid I can't agree. - -- Joe - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told "go to hell", considers the "go to" harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHh/MbYRtjrLFGYdkRAke5AKCyoN34Yv3WyupfkcdavNiFxx495wCfcR1y ghjiHu1RP65yHB/DQLIX0Hw= =LHBM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 8:08 PM, Michael Schmarck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > GRML ? Knoppix ? other LiveCD ? What for, man ? > > Oh, quite easy - to install Gentoo. That way, the knowledge of experts > in creating live CDs is leveraged. NIH is not a good point of view, if > you ask me. > > > Using extra rescue > > systems is a liberty, of course, but why should it be a must ? I > > Easy - to make use of expert knowledge. To save resources, as that's > obviously a scarcity in Gentoo. Not sure that in the whole Gentoo community we cannot find someone not interested in dev stuff but okay to build CD releases... I can understand the understaffed argument, but in that case don't tell me that install CD is bad, tell me Gentoo has no resource for, but the debate is "does Gentoo need install CD or not ?". > > see no gain in downloading and burning one more system... > > Uhm? That doesn't make sense. Downloading GRML is no worse than > downloading a Gentoo Live CD. Yes it is. Portage is not included, you depend on other systems that don't mind about Gentoo needs and could go on different way, and I find very strange to have a 2.6.23 stable in Gentoo, but not necessary on other liveCD at the same time, plus networkless installations... I think it is very good -for any distro- to have an installCD that brings a good system to not-connected machines. Just for them. > > [...] I don't want to take care about > > versions > > Me neither, but that's a dream. I mean dealing with Gentoo components versions sounds sensible watching GRML/Knoppix/whatever website for a Gentoo install...surely less. > > So, of course, as far as > > one of linux distro at least will provide a way to boot up an > > up-to-date kernel, all the other distros won't have to maintain their > > own releases, but in the end, I am not sure that the whole community > > wants to launch the Windows Ubuntu installer, download the required > > packages manager from the web and update the system from the good > > repository. > > I don't get, what you were trying to say here. I mean that one particular aspect of linux world that I love is choice. I am very pleased to show different live CD to newbies and I hope that all other distros won't have the same reasoning. Okay, GRML does a nice job. But if a Gentoo user wants to spend time to build liveCD, I see no reason not to let him release official iso ... and propose a Gentoo alternative. Certainly not because guys are experts in rescue systems at grml.org. Gal' -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008, Dale wrote: > >> Qian Qiao wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client >>> cannot render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people >>> on the list have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post >>> in plain text, at least in this list. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> I have it set to send it text for this domain. Is it not sending in >> plain text? I have the same settings for other mailing lists as >> well. >> >> Thanks for pointing it out if it is not sending plain text tho. >> > > It's sent multipart, so the pure text can be used alone for users like > Qian Qiao. That's how I've set up my kmail (I can view it as html if I > wish) > > To be honest, it's not really a big deal for a list like this. The text > is 492 bytes, the html is 867 bytes and the whole thing is 4.5k > > In other words, the text and html *together* are still smaller than the > headers :-) > > True, but I do try to "go with the flow" here. I use Seamonkey for my email. I went to "Edit" and "Preferences" then chose "Send formats". I place gentoo.org in the text only section. What else can I do to make sure it sends it correctly? I do prefer to send it text only since some do use some strange email programs. Thanks Dale :-) :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?
On Saturday 12 January 2008, Qian Qiao wrote: > > I mean dealing with Gentoo components versions sounds sensible > > watching GRML/Knoppix/whatever website for a Gentoo > > install...surely less. > > As I said in the thread earlier, do not bind your mind to the idea > that "you need gentoo to install gentoo", the fact is, you don't. The > installation steps from knoppixCD/GRML is almost identical to those > from a Gentoo CD, with only one exception: they don't come with > /mnt/gentoo, so you'll have to mkdir /mnt/gentoo, but if that makes > it less sensible as you claimed, I'm afraid I can't agree. Without trying to be a complete dick here, I think Gavelsky has not yet 100% comprehended the essential difference between Gentoo and binary distros: Gentoo is NOT "plug in and go", it is a complex scheme that allows you to build other distros. It is not suitable for newbies (disregard the occasional newbie that does get it right, that's a minority and very atypical), and one really does have to have moved beyond the "Oh, look! Shiny installer!" mentality to appreciate it. When you get to that stage, you appreciate that you need a bootstrap system to build the first stages of your own distro, and you can get that bootstrap system from any place you feel like getting it from. Anybody that feels they *need* or *must have* an official Gentoo installer is probably the wrong target market and should be referred to other distros that will suit their needs better. This is not a troll or an elitist statement, it's just recognizing what gentoo is and what it isn't - it's not a distro suitable for someone to whom chroot isn't yet second nature. I could give a traditional car analogy with kit cars, but I think I'm into dead horse territory already alan -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo LiveUSB
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2008, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: > >> 2nd question: I must be dense on this one so someone help me out. >> Since a USB stick is seen as a hard drive, why can't I do a standard >> install to it? Is it because until lately they haven't been large >> enough? I'm thinking of using an 8GB one. >> > > There's a few reasons: > > 1. The memory used on those devices has a limited life - about 100,000 > writes for the good ones and maybe 10,000 for the bad ones. With a > standard install, frequent writes are the norm (think cache and other > similar things). This usually ends up at the same spot on the disk, > meaning your new install will last about a month if you are lucky. > There are ways around this, for instance how a LiveCD does things. > > 2. Booting off it is a pain. You need drivers for the entire USB stack > at boot time, which usually means a ginormous initrd. > > 3. Size, which you mentioned > > OK. Then maybe a better solution for a compact portable system would be an external HD. In the laptop size (2.5") the enclosure can just about fit in a shirt pocket. And some of them run off the USB interface. Not as small as a thumbdrive but close. Tony -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 overlay
On Friday 11 January 2008 22:26:34 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Anyone know where this overlay disappeared to? It moved to git. Assuming dev-util/git is installed: # layman -f && layman -d kde && layman -a kde Having said that KDE 4.0.0 should show up as package.mask'ed in gentoo-x86 within a few days. Eclasses for this has just been submitted to -dev@ ... -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] HTML vs. Text messages (WAS: Is GWN dead?)
I'll keep that in mind when I am sending email to the list from Thunderbird. I'm also aware that many corporations block HTML mail to lower the risk of a staff member opening up an infected/laced email (generally on a Windows computer) so text emails are more advantageous in that regard. Randy, why aren't you out here making sure everyone's mom is aware of all the thread hijacking going on? -Hal Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On Friday 11 January 2008, Dale wrote: >> >>> Qian Qiao wrote: >>> I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client cannot render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people on the list have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post in plain text, at least in this list. Thanks >>> I have it set to send it text for this domain. Is it not sending in >>> plain text? I have the same settings for other mailing lists as >>> well. >>> >>> Thanks for pointing it out if it is not sending plain text tho. >>> >> >> It's sent multipart, so the pure text can be used alone for users like >> Qian Qiao. That's how I've set up my kmail (I can view it as html if I >> wish) >> >> To be honest, it's not really a big deal for a list like this. The text >> is 492 bytes, the html is 867 bytes and the whole thing is 4.5k >> >> In other words, the text and html *together* are still smaller than the >> headers :-) >> >> > > True, but I do try to "go with the flow" here. I use Seamonkey for my > email. I went to "Edit" and "Preferences" then chose "Send formats". > I place gentoo.org in the text only section. What else can I do to > make sure it sends it correctly? I do prefer to send it text only > since some do use some strange email programs. > > Thanks > > Dale > > :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HTML vs. Text messages (WAS: Is GWN dead?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hal Martin wrote: > I'll keep that in mind when I am sending email to the list from > Thunderbird. I'm also aware that many corporations block HTML mail to > lower the risk of a staff member opening up an infected/laced email > (generally on a Windows computer) so text emails are more advantageous > in that regard. > > Randy, why aren't you out here making sure everyone's mom is aware of > all the thread hijacking going on? > > > -Hal I must apologize for hijacking the original thread, there was a couple of messages from another list user that I had difficulties reading. Now that we are all aware the matter, it is perhaps time to end the discussion here. - -- Joe - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told "go to hell", considers the "go to" harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHiAjfYRtjrLFGYdkRAtU1AKC6ZTOe6OFcf7G/KbRnwyOSTA/+BACfTp/P /fslG8D9wZcz4Mg8Fi0EEiA= =vO6c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Qian Qiao wrote: > < SNIP > > > I myself have 3 machines, a Athlon64X2, a Core2 Duo and a Pentium III, > I've used Gentoo minimal, Knoppix and Knoppix64 CDs during my > installation on these 3 machines and I haven't encounter any problem > using any of them, and that's why I said earlier in the thread that > LiveCDs really doesn't matter, as long as you can boot, fdisk, mount, > chroot, emerge, you are fine :) > > I hope I've provided you with some useful information. > > -- Joe > > Of course a more recent one is handy when in my situation. I have dial-up, a sucky AT&T dial-up at that. I try to install from the packages on the CD then upgrade later. That's the only benefit that I would see from more recent releases. Of course, you still end up downloading it all anyway. ;-) I just like the Knoppix thing myself. It "seems" faster to me. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?
Alan McKinnon ha scritto: > Gentoo is NOT "plug in and go", it is a complex scheme that allows you > to build other distros. Exactly. Moreover, I'd go on to say that the fact Gentoo is installable from almost every reasonable Linux-based live cd is a defining Gentoo feature. The real Gentoo installer is the combination of the tarball (the data) and the manual (the algorithms). The fact that an "official" Gentoo live cd exists is just a happy gift from developers, and a way to guarantee that there is a reference environment from which Gentoo can be installed. While nearly every other distro requires its own live cd installer, Gentoo (or any Gentoo-like system) requires just a working live cd and a stage tarball. From there, you go. It's *you* that decide *your* installation environment, depending on *your* needs. I used Knoppix once, and Kubuntu another; I think I've never used the "official" Gentoo CD. m. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 11:29 PM, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan McKinnon ha scritto: > > > Gentoo is NOT "plug in and go", it is a complex scheme that allows you > > to build other distros. > > Exactly. > Moreover, I'd go on to say that the fact Gentoo is installable from > almost every reasonable Linux-based live cd is a defining Gentoo > feature. The real Gentoo installer is the combination of the tarball > (the data) and the manual (the algorithms). > > The fact that an "official" Gentoo live cd exists is just a happy gift > from developers, and a way to guarantee that there is a reference > environment from which Gentoo can be installed. > > While nearly every other distro requires its own live cd installer, > Gentoo (or any Gentoo-like system) requires just a working live cd and a > stage tarball. From there, you go. It's *you* that decide *your* > installation environment, depending on *your* needs. I used Knoppix > once, and Kubuntu another; I think I've never used the "official" Gentoo CD. > True. I may be going OT here, but I think that another feature is that when you realise you can install Gentoo from any working environment with basic support, you expect people to think "out of the box". Sincerely, that's something the world is desperatly in need. Linux by itself is "Darwinist" [1]. People need to get more knowledge to make it suits their needs or enhance performance. My whole experience with Gentoo, command line and deep system configuration makes it a breeze to deal with any distro out there. That's what make this community one (if not THE) best knowledge base I've ever seen. [1] http://www.meiobit.com/a_principal_vantagem_do_linux_e_ser_darwinista [in portuguese] -- Daniel da Veiga Filosofia de TI: Programadores de verdade consideram o conceito "o que você vê é o que você tem" tão ruim em editores de texto quanto em mulheres. Não, o programador de verdade quer um editor de texto do estilo "você pediu, você levou" - complicado, indecifrável, poderoso, impiedoso, perigoso.
Re: [gentoo-user] Enigmail in Thunderbird 2.0.0.9
KH schrieb: > Did you recompile enigmail after upgrading thunderbird? > > kons > > > Daniel Mendler wrote: >> Hi >> >> The enigmail plugin isn't found any more in Thunderbird 2.0.0.9. >> Thunderbird is compiled with crypt, Enigmail is installed. Does anyone >> have the same problem? >> >> Best regards, >> Daniel > ok it works, thx -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
