Re: incubator website is hosed

[Henri Yandell]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

> Personally, I've had my fill of this kind of crap being left on
> our public infrastructure.  I shouldn't have to wait days to update
> a trivial website.  If someone doesn't beat me to it, I am going to
> replace it with Anakia tomorrow.

Slightly off topic, but isn't it about time that cvs.apache.org/anakia
existed? And that the xdocs notation got standardised in some way?

I'm using it in a bunch of places, but still have no real clue where the
real anakia lives etc.

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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Justin Erenkrantz]

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I'm using it in a bunch of places, but still have no real clue where the
real anakia lives etc.
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Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

[Stephen McConnell]

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 02:50 AM, Stephen McConnell wrote:



Jason van Zyl wrote:

On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 01:08, Stephen McConnell wrote:

Jason van Zyl wrote:


On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 00:35, Stephen McConnell wrote:



Jason:

I must confess that I am intrigued by your approach to 
collaboration!


That's because you're at least as deficient as I am in the realm of
collaboration. Neither you or I are any great shining examples of an
ideal collaborator. You'll have to bear with me while I try to make
ammends. I will try to bear with you.

Oh really - take a break Jason!
You idea of collaboration is very clear:
http://lists.codehaus.org/pipermail/plexus-dev/2003q3/03.html
How does Plexus staying at Codehaus have any bearing on the notion 
of my
collaboration?


ROTFL - and you can't figure this out for yourself?


I can't.  Can you explain? 


Geir:

I could - but to be honest I'm flat out on some really important stuff 
that I have to close.  Can we come back to this in maybe at the end of 
this week?  I'm sorry - but to answer your question properly and 
completely, I have to take into consideration several non-trivial 
aspect. I would simple prefer to do this properly and with due care. 

There are certainly some interesting social aspects that are worth 
documenting. 

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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Nicola Ken Barozzi]

Roy T. Fielding wrote:
The /www/incubator.apache.org/ directory tree on minotaur contains
both a checked-out incubator-site *and* the generated output of a
forrestbot via incubator.  It obviously can't be both.
I look at the site and it's all consistent and the pages are uptodate 
with the incubator-site CVS. I look in /www/incubator.apache.org/ and I 
see that the incubator-site directories are ok. The forrestbot commits 
via CVS, and AFAIK is currently stopped, so I don't understand what you 
are talking about.

/www/incubator.apache.org (OK)
/drafts (empty old CVS dir)
/forms  (empty old CVS dir)
/images (OK)
/incubation  (OK)
/learn   (OK)
/mail  (hand-created?)
/projects  (OK)
  /altrmi  (OK)
  /ftpserver (OK)
  /geronimo (old CVS dirs)
/skin (OK)
Personally, I've had my fill of this kind of crap being left on
our public infrastructure.  I shouldn't have to wait days to update
a trivial website.  
And in fact you don't have to wait. I have no problem whatsoever in 
doing so.

If someone doesn't beat me to it, I am going to
replace it with Anakia tomorrow.
It's not a tool problem AFAIK.

I have said more than once on this list that I would take care in 
updating the site if others do not want to do so. So just edit the files 
in CVS, what's the problem?

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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Leo Simons]

Roy T. Fielding wrote:

The /www/incubator.apache.org/ directory tree on minotaur contains
both a checked-out incubator-site *and* the generated output of a
forrestbot via incubator.  It obviously can't be both. 
or can it be?

IIRC, forrestbot just generates the website, then commits changes to
the incubator-site module, which is then checked out again on minotaur.
There is nothing stopping you from generating the website yourself,
committing it yourself, then checking it out yourself on minotaur.
The process, is, in fact, identical to the one most projects that use
anakia follow, except forrest is used instead. And, to make things
easier, there's some cronjob running that handles two stages of the
process automatically.
Personally, I've had my fill of this kind of crap being left on
our public infrastructure.  I shouldn't have to wait days to update
a trivial website.
Indeed. I think by now its been pointed out several times exactly how
to do it. Take a look at
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgId=1102214

If someone doesn't beat me to it, I am going to
replace it with Anakia tomorrow.
IMNSHO, bad idea. Rather than force all of the geronimo people
to learn an old tool, its best to invest 15 minutes in learning a new
tool.
The geronimo site is built using maven, which uses anakia under the
covers, but makes things look a lot better. An interesting page might be
http://maven.apache.org/start/anakia.html.
cheers!

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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Leo Simons]

Henri Yandell wrote:

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
 

Personally, I've had my fill of this kind of crap being left on
our public infrastructure.  I shouldn't have to wait days to update
a trivial website.  If someone doesn't beat me to it, I am going to
replace it with Anakia tomorrow.
   

Slightly off topic, but isn't it about time that cvs.apache.org/anakia
existed? And that the xdocs notation got standardised in some way?
yep. Both Forrest and Maven try to fill that gap.

cheers!

- LSD



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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Nicola Ken Barozzi]

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

Roy T. Fielding wrote:

The /www/incubator.apache.org/ directory tree on minotaur contains
both a checked-out incubator-site *and* the generated output of a
forrestbot via incubator.  It obviously can't be both.
...
/geronimo (old CVS dirs)
Wait a sec, you mean that Geronimo has a website that that it's hosed?

 http://incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo/

Well, i thought they had just a wiki, as have just a foo.txt file there. 
If they want to publish the site they have to check it into the 
incubator-site CVS AFAIK. I'm fine for them to also hand-publish it, but 
the yhave to make sure that every time I will do a cvs update, be it 
Anakia, Forrest, or you-name-it, there are not problems.

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Re: cvs commit: incubator/site/projects/geronimo index.xml

[Nicola Ken Barozzi]

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fielding2003/11/10 18:22:27

  Modified:site/projects index.xml
   site/projects/geronimo index.xml
  Log:
  projects need a directory to place stuff on their website
I have explicitly moved the status files in the projects/ dir so that 
they don't interfere with the websites that projects publish from their 
CVS contents.

In this case IMHO the index page should simply reside in their CVS 
module and the proposal should be included in the single status document.

But yes, we have to see where to put extra docs that are needed for 
incubation, like Geronimo has shown. I had thought that a single status 
file would have sufficed but it's not the case.

Hence I'd go with this layout if nobody objects.

   incubator/
   status/
  index.xml
  geronimo.cwiki
  projectX.cwiki
  ...
  geronimo/
eventual extra stuff
  projectX/
eventual extra stuff
  ...
   projects/
  geronimo/ (project site, use their CVS preferably)
  projectX/ (project site, use their CVS preferably)
  ...
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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Geir Magnusson Jr .]

On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 02:51 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:



On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

Personally, I've had my fill of this kind of crap being left on
our public infrastructure.  I shouldn't have to wait days to update
a trivial website.  If someone doesn't beat me to it, I am going to
replace it with Anakia tomorrow.
Slightly off topic, but isn't it about time that cvs.apache.org/anakia
existed? And that the xdocs notation got standardised in some way?
I'm using it in a bunch of places, but still have no real clue where 
the
real anakia lives etc.
It's a part of velocity.

And quite frankly, the better solution is DVSL, also from Velocity - 
it's 100% compatible with the xdocs digested by Anakia, and easier to 
write.  It's declarative like XSLT, but lets you do procedural Velocity 
wherever you want.

geir


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Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

[Geir Magnusson Jr .]

On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 03:21 AM, Stephen McConnell wrote:



Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

I can't.  Can you explain?


Geir:

I could - but to be honest I'm flat out on some really important stuff 
that I have to close.  Can we come back to this in maybe at the end of 
this week?  I'm sorry - but to answer your question properly and 
completely, I have to take into consideration several non-trivial 
aspect. I would simple prefer to do this properly and with due care.
There are certainly some interesting social aspects that are worth 
documenting.
Stephen.
Fine by me.  We all have real lives outside of here.  Thanks.

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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Geir Magnusson Jr .]

On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 05:35 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

Roy T. Fielding wrote:
The /www/incubator.apache.org/ directory tree on minotaur contains
both a checked-out incubator-site *and* the generated output of a
forrestbot via incubator.  It obviously can't be both.
...
/geronimo (old CVS dirs)
Wait a sec, you mean that Geronimo has a website that that it's hosed?

 http://incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo/

Well, i thought they had just a wiki, as have just a foo.txt file 
there. If they want to publish the site they have to check it into the 
incubator-site CVS AFAIK. I'm fine for them to also hand-publish it, 
but the yhave to make sure that every time I will do a cvs update, be 
it Anakia, Forrest, or you-name-it, there are not problems.
No - there was a real site at one point, and even done in forrest.  It 
wasn't the incubator boilerplate.  I know because I did it (along with 
some others) when geronimo started.

It's really important right now that we have a site to deal with the 
JBoss assertion that Geronimo developers took JBoss code and relicensed 
it.

geir

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Re: cvs commit: incubator/site/projects/geronimo index.xml

[Geir Magnusson Jr .]

What happened to the stuff that we did have?

On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 06:15 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

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fielding2003/11/10 18:22:27
  Modified:site/projects index.xml
   site/projects/geronimo index.xml
  Log:
  projects need a directory to place stuff on their website
I have explicitly moved the status files in the projects/ dir so that 
they don't interfere with the websites that projects publish from 
their CVS contents.

In this case IMHO the index page should simply reside in their CVS 
module and the proposal should be included in the single status 
document.

But yes, we have to see where to put extra docs that are needed for 
incubation, like Geronimo has shown. I had thought that a single 
status file would have sufficed but it's not the case.

Hence I'd go with this layout if nobody objects.

   incubator/
   status/
  index.xml
  geronimo.cwiki
  projectX.cwiki
  ...
  geronimo/
eventual extra stuff
  projectX/
eventual extra stuff
  ...
   projects/
  geronimo/ (project site, use their CVS preferably)
  projectX/ (project site, use their CVS preferably)
  ...
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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Nicola Ken Barozzi]

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
...
No - there was a real site at one point, and even done in forrest.  It 
wasn't the incubator boilerplate.  I know because I did it (along with 
some others) when geronimo started.

It's really important right now that we have a site to deal with the 
JBoss assertion that Geronimo developers took JBoss code and relicensed it.
IMHO the project websited do not belong to the "incubator" CVS, but the 
the project CVS.

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> What happened to the stuff that we did have?
You mean geronimo/index.html? It's in CVS, but not linked from anywhere, 
hence not on the site. I'm fixing it right now.

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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Geir Magnusson Jr .]

On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 09:12 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
...
No - there was a real site at one point, and even done in forrest.  
It wasn't the incubator boilerplate.  I know because I did it (along 
with some others) when geronimo started.
It's really important right now that we have a site to deal with the 
JBoss assertion that Geronimo developers took JBoss code and 
relicensed it.
IMHO the project websited do not belong to the "incubator" CVS, but 
the the project CVS.

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> What happened to the stuff that we did have?
You mean geronimo/index.html? It's in CVS, but not linked from 
anywhere, hence not on the site. I'm fixing it right now.
I mean there was a page that had some simple FAQs answered, a pointer 
to the wiki, a pointer to the maven-generated site that James was 
playing with, etc.  That would have been the ideal place to put the 
JBoss letter, so we can show we are actively working to address their 
issues.

geir

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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Jim Jagielski]

Could whoever has some knowledge of how the website is setup
and constructed simply make whatever changes are required
to "post" the Letter with a short note that we are
actively reviewing not only the specific claims but also
the code base in general...
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RE: incubator website is hosed

[Noel J. Bergman]

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
...
> No - there was a real site at one point, and even done in forrest.  It
> wasn't the incubator boilerplate.  I know because I did it (along with
> some others) when geronimo started.
>
> It's really important right now that we have a site to deal with the
> JBoss assertion that Geronimo developers took JBoss code and relicensed
it.

Is this what you were looking for?

http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/incubator/site/projects/geronimo/index.xml

Judging from the change log (there are copies of that file in one form or
another all over the attics, but people did a good job of keeping the CVS
history), that is the file I remember seeing.

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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Nicola Ken Barozzi]

Jim Jagielski wrote:
Could whoever has some knowledge of how the website is setup
and constructed simply make whatever changes are required
to "post" the Letter with a short note that we are
actively reviewing not only the specific claims but also
the code base in general...
Doing it.

I will write:

"
We have recieved a mail [link_to_letter a letter on behalf of the JBoss 
Group, LCC dated October 31, 2003] that asks for clarifiations regarding 
similarity between parts of the Geronimo codebase and the JBoss codebase.

We are thus in the process of actively reviewing not only the specific 
claims but also the code base in general.
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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Jim Jagielski]

Perfect! Thanks!!

On Nov 11, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

Jim Jagielski wrote:
Could whoever has some knowledge of how the website is setup
and constructed simply make whatever changes are required
to "post" the Letter with a short note that we are
actively reviewing not only the specific claims but also
the code base in general...
Doing it.

I will write:

"
We have recieved a mail [link_to_letter a letter on behalf of the 
JBoss Group, LCC dated October 31, 2003] that asks for clarifiations 
regarding similarity between parts of the Geronimo codebase and the 
JBoss codebase.

We are thus in the process of actively reviewing not only the specific 
claims but also the code base in general.
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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Geir Magnusson Jr .]

On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
...
No - there was a real site at one point, and even done in forrest.  It
wasn't the incubator boilerplate.  I know because I did it (along with
some others) when geronimo started.
It's really important right now that we have a site to deal with the
JBoss assertion that Geronimo developers took JBoss code and  
relicensed
it.

Is this what you were looking for?

http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/incubator/site/projects/geronimo/ 
index.xml

Judging from the change log (there are copies of that file in one form  
or
another all over the attics, but people did a good job of keeping the  
CVS
history), that is the file I remember seeing.
Yep.

	--- Noel

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Re: incubator website is hosed

[Brian Behlendorf]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Leo Simons wrote:
> Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>
> > Personally, I've had my fill of this kind of crap being left on
> > our public infrastructure.  I shouldn't have to wait days to update
> > a trivial website.
>
> Indeed. I think by now its been pointed out several times exactly how
> to do it. Take a look at
>
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgId=1102214

Can I suggest putting this someplace more obvious, like
/www/incubator.apache.org/UPDATING, or something?

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