fixincludes

2010-01-23 Thread Franz Fehringer
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Hi all,

I have two hopefully not too dull questions about the gcc fixincludes
mechanism:
1) When after the initial fixinclude run (parts of) new software is
installed into /usr/include, the fixincludes run has to be repeated (at
least in principle), is this true?
2) IIRC several years ago there were plans to abandon fixincludes and to
do the header fixing in realtime on every gcc run, what happened to the
pertaining efforts?

Beste regards

Franz
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Re: fixincludes

2010-01-23 Thread Franz Fehringer
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understood.
but an OS update could lead to updated C runtime headers?


Am 23.01.2010 17:39, schrieb Richard Guenther:
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Franz Fehringer  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have two hopefully not too dull questions about the gcc fixincludes
>> mechanism:
>> 1) When after the initial fixinclude run (parts of) new software is
>> installed into /usr/include, the fixincludes run has to be repeated (at
>> least in principle), is this true?
> 
> As we generally only fixinclude pieces of the C runtime and the C
> runtime is required to build GCC this is not true.  fixincludes may of
> course match in random header files as well, but that is not
> intended in general.
> 
>> 2) IIRC several years ago there were plans to abandon fixincludes and to
>> do the header fixing in realtime on every gcc run, what happened to the
>> pertaining efforts?
> 
> That would surely be slow.
> 
> Richard.
> 

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decimal floating point

2012-06-18 Thread Franz Fehringer
Hi,

I am investigating the possibilities of using decimal floating point
arithmetic with gcc (on Linux / x86_64 to be explicit).
Are _Decimal32/_Decimal64/_Decimal128 available as builtin types without
further action or do i as a DFP consumer have to issue the correspondent
typedef/float/attributeS by myself (as is done in the testcases and the
std::decimal headerS)?
How do i convert _Decimal32/_Decimal64/_Decimal128/std::decimal from/to
string/char* (and do cout/stdout I/O)?
Can the (internal?) std::decimal method __getval (giving one of
_Decimal32/_Decimal64/_Decimal128) be used by me as a user?
Are there plans to add DFP support to glibc?
Are there good examples out there showing the superiority of DFP
arithmetic over ordinary (binary) FP arithmetic in the domain of
monetary calculations?

Many thanks in advance

Franz






Re: gcc : c++11 : full support : eta?

2013-01-22 Thread Franz Fehringer
What does this mean for the Concurrency section, it has 8xNo at the moment?

Franz


Am 22.01.2013 19:01, schrieb Jason Merrill:
> On 01/22/2013 01:01 AM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
>> Hello, may I know the estimated timeframe by which full support for
>> C++11 would be added in to GCC?
>
> GCC 4.8 will be feature-complete except for ref-qualifiers, which
> should go onto the trunk soon, and perhaps into a later 4.8.x release.
>
> Jason
>
>



Re: gcc : c++11 : full support : eta?

2013-02-15 Thread Franz Fehringer
Thanks, looking much better now.
Will gcc 4.8 contain the stdatomic.h header (i am a little confused
about it, is it a standard header?)?

Am 15.02.2013 18:07, schrieb Jason Merrill:
> On 01/28/2013 02:24 PM, Jason Merrill wrote:
>> On 01/23/2013 01:48 AM, Franz Fehringer wrote:
>>> What does this mean for the Concurrency section, it has 8xNo at the
>>> moment?
>>
>> I need to go back over that section, but I think it's just inaccurate.
>
> I've now updated the page.
>
> Jason
>
>



Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-31 Thread Franz Fehringer via Gcc
To me (not being a contributor) this is the best contribution to the 
discussion so far.



Am 30.03.2021 um 17:24 schrieb Maksim Fomin via Gcc:

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Friday, 26 March 2021 г., 23:02, Nathan Sidwell  wrote:


I would rather not have to write this email. Like many developers, I just want
to write code. Right now we’re working towards the GCC 11 release. I thought
about deferring this email. But there’s never a good time, and bad behaviour
needs to be addressed in the moment. I have left this for too long already.

I used to think of GCC development as egalitarian, and therefore fair, and, by
assumption, welcoming. That is not true. I’m a white dude with a British accent.
/Of course/ I have white male privilege. I used to joke that I fell into every
job I’ve had (including my doctorate) – that, right there, is white male
privilege.

Perhaps you discount the benefits of white male privilege. You’re wrong.

You cannot have missed the sparsity of women and people of color in compiler
engineering (kaporcenter black tech workforce). Maybe you fallaciously put that
down to imbalances in education (leakytechpipeline) How can we, the GCC
community, be expected to address that? Representation matters, we’re the 
problem.

[Left most relevant parts of the letter]

The logic of this letter (and sjw in general) is obviously false.

1. There are no examples where Stallman (or people with similar views) censored 
project contribution from non-white non-male people.
In recent decades there is inflow of people from different counties and 2020 is 
definitely more diverse in programming than 2000 or 1980.
This observation (absense of discrimiation) is the first important note which 
blows the login behind the letter.

2. Because the p1 is hard to refute, the discussion moves from objective things 
(for example, rejecting some pull request from people of color) toward 
subjective
things like 'remove Stallman because I am not comfortable with his 
views/claims'. However, once this arguement is naked from the rest of 
discussion it becomes obviously weak.
Why the project should remove Stallman because 'some' people are not 
comfortable? Why sjw consider themselves in the position to judge? What to do 
with the group of people who supports him?
Finally, 'white priviledge' is only one (although  big) subject of dedates. 
What happens if other areas of social, political or economical debates are 
brought to the project? There are plenty of issues which divide people and 
there is no way to make the project to move of on if for each issue one group 
of people will demand removing members of comittee because of their views.

3. Most of claims about Stallman are not true (to be more precise - they are 
deliberately misrepresent what Stallman said to make his views to look immoral).

4. Regarding morality. This letter (like many other sjw creatures) says many 
words about morality, diversity, but at the end of the day it boils down to 
removing Stallman from position. As a citizen of post-soviet country I can 
vividly see that this letter is enterely about politics and looks very similar 
to communist agenda which likes to hide authoritarian policies behind morality. 
It is very surprising for people from former Soviet block countries to see 
western world falling into 'very familiar' but notorious propaganda.

Best regards,
Maxim Fomin






Re: On rms controversy

2021-04-14 Thread Franz Fehringer via Gcc

Very good!

Am 14.04.2021 um 07:53 schrieb pawel k. via Gcc:

Hello,
Im multiyear gcc user on many targets. I love the project and wish it all
the best.
Im also senior c/cpp and linux sw devel with 20 years of experience.

Im observing an rms controversy from some perspective and here are my
thoughts:
-you didnt base attack on real data but allegations. Additionally falsified
ones.
-nobody asked rms whether he retracts and indeed he does on some and
clarify on others.
-part of fsf is rotten by far left mental virus parasite. See gad saads
book on the topic.
-basically rms didnt do what he was alleged he did.
-nobody gave him way to defend like in legal process.
-he is back and he should stay.
-those who attacked him baselessly and thoughtlessly should disappear in
shame and their names should be on gcc and fsf front pages linked shamelist.
-rms is heavily autistic as some may know and he might not have perfect
judgmental powers over his words.
-last but not least all far left snowflakes of you assuming guilt and
barring one from defence, please f off and f you for now.
-possibly some of you wanted to steal his project so as per above big f off
and f you.

That would be it.

Best regards,
Pawel kunio