Re: GNU Mes 0.19 released

2018-12-16 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide

Jan Nieuwenhuizen  writes:

> Mes has now brought the Reduced Binary Seed bootstrap to Guix (bootstrap
> a GNU/Linux system without binary GNU toolchain or equivalent)

That’s awesome!

> This release introduces strings as byte-array, hash-tables and native
> structs.  While that does increase the footprint somewhat, it fixes
> our performance issue; tinycc is now compiled in ~8min (WAS: ~1h30).

Wow! I did not expect such a huge difference.

> Next targets:
>
>  - translate mes.c into unsnarfed mes.M2
>  - use Gash to remove bash, coreutils&co, grep, sed, tar from the Guix
>bootstrap binaries

Is this about configure+make?

>  - bootstrap gcc-3.x or 4.x directly, drop initial gcc-2.95.3 target?

Do you have a document showing the bootstrap path — ideally in graph
form, i.e. with plantuml activity diagram?
http://plantuml.com/activity-diagram-legacy

>  - Debian?
- Gentoo?

>  - ARM, the Hurd?

The Hurd would be nice!

Thank you for your great work!

Best wishes,
Arne
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Re: [bootstrappable] Re: GNU Mes 0.19 released

2018-12-17 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide

Ricardo Wurmus  writes:

> Hi Arne,
>
>> Do you have a document showing the bootstrap path — ideally in graph
>> form, i.e. with plantuml activity diagram?
>> http://plantuml.com/activity-diagram-legacy
>
> You can see the current bootstrap path here:
>
> https://bootstrappable.org/projects/mes.html
>
> This is without the path from virtually nothing to mes + mescc tools,
> i.e. mes and mescc tools currently are bootstrap binaries here.

This is really cool! Thank you!

>>>  - use Gash to remove bash, coreutils&co, grep, sed, tar from the Guix
>>>bootstrap binaries
>>
>> Is this about configure+make?
>
> You can see in the graph that “bootstrap-binaries” is a collection of
> statically linked binaries including tar, gzip, patch, coreutils, etc.
> Most if not all of these could be removed with Gash.

I do not see gmake in there. Is that covered by one of them, or can it
be built with them?

Best wishes,
Arne
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Re: [bootstrappable] Re: GNU Mes 0.19 released

2018-12-17 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide

Jan Nieuwenhuizen  writes:
> `make-mesboot0' is the initial build of GNU make.  You can read the full
> Guix bootstrap build recipe here:
>
> 
> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/packages/commencement.scm?h=core-updates

Ah, nice!

Again: Thank you very much!

Best wishes,
Arne
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