Re: Boehm-gc performance data
On 23/06/06, Laurynas Biveinis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm still waiting for the testsuite to complete (it's been running just for about 24 hours so far). In the meanwhile I'd like to discuss the first performance results, which I've put on the Wiki: First number is GCC with Boehm's GC and the number in parentheses is GCC with page collector. combine.c: top mem usage: 52180k (13915k). GC execution time 0.66 (0.61) 4% (4%). User running time: 0m16 (0m14). How are you collecting top mem usage? Thanks, -- Paulo Jorge Matos - pocm at sat inesc-id pt Web: http://sat.inesc-id.pt/~pocm Computer and Software Engineering INESC-ID - SAT Group
Re: unable to detect exception model
On Jun 24, 2006, at 6:58 AM, Andrew Pinski wrote: I can reproduce this, something is miscompiling cc1plus. If I revert: 2006-06-23 Richard Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * ggc-page.c (init_ggc): Do not round up the extra_order_size_table sizes to MAX_ALIGNMENT. Fix the size_lookup table to honour alignment requests instead. Add verification code. Add struct tree_function_decl and struct tree_binfo size to extra_order_size_table. Add missing element to size_lookup table. Bootstrap works. Thanks, Andrew Pinski
Re: unable to detect exception model
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Andrew Pinski wrote:
>
> On Jun 24, 2006, at 6:58 AM, Andrew Pinski wrote:
>
> >I can reproduce this, something is miscompiling cc1plus.
>
> If I revert:
> 2006-06-23 Richard Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>* ggc-page.c (init_ggc): Do not round up the extra_order_size_table
>sizes to MAX_ALIGNMENT. Fix the size_lookup table to honour
>alignment requests instead. Add verification code.
>Add struct tree_function_decl and struct tree_binfo size to
>extra_order_size_table. Add missing element to size_lookup
>table.
>
> Bootstrap works.
How does size_loopup look like? And object_size_table? Does
Index: ggc-page.c
===
--- ggc-page.c (revision 114974)
+++ ggc-page.c (working copy)
@@ -1574,8 +1574,9 @@ init_ggc (void)
/* Verify we got everything right with respect to alignment requests.
*/
for (order = 1; order < 512; ++order)
-gcc_assert (ffs (OBJECT_SIZE (size_lookup [order]))
- >= ffs (order | MAX_ALIGNMENT));
+gcc_assert ((ffs (OBJECT_SIZE (size_lookup [order]))
+>= ffs (order | MAX_ALIGNMENT))
+ && order >= OBJECT_SIZE (size_lookup [order]));
G.depth_in_use = 0;
G.depth_max = 10;
pass? What is MAX_ALIGNMENT on ppc-darwin? It's defined as
struct max_alignment {
char c;
union {
HOST_WIDEST_INT i;
long double d;
} u;
};
/* The biggest alignment required. */
#define MAX_ALIGNMENT (offsetof (struct max_alignment, u))
I would guess this exposes a latent GC problem, do you have a testcase
or a .o file that is miscompiled? Does it reproduce with different
gc --parms? Does ppc-darwin use the USING_MMAP variant?
It would be nice if you can track down this some more, as I do not
have access to ppc-darwin.
Richard.
--
Richard Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Novell / SUSE Labs
Re: unable to detect exception model
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 07:59:14PM +0200, Richard Guenther wrote:
> pass? What is MAX_ALIGNMENT on ppc-darwin? It's defined as
>
> struct max_alignment {
> char c;
> union {
> HOST_WIDEST_INT i;
> long double d;
> } u;
> };
>
> /* The biggest alignment required. */
>
> #define MAX_ALIGNMENT (offsetof (struct max_alignment, u))
I learned while working on the zone collector that there is at least
one platform where this doesn't work, because "long double" had an
alignment of eight on its own and four as a structure field. It might
have been powerpc-darwin.
--
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery
Re: unable to detect exception model
On Jun 25, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
I learned while working on the zone collector that there is at least
one platform where this doesn't work, because "long double" had an
alignment of eight on its own and four as a structure field. It might
have been powerpc-darwin.
Maybe the struct should be rewritten like:
struct max_alignment {
char c;
union {
long double d;
HOST_WIDEST_INT i;
} u;
};
To make sure the long double was first which is usually the cures the
whole struct
alignment issues.
I will see if this fixes the issue but after I finish watching Dr. Who.
Thanks,
Andrew Pinski
Re: Boehm-gc performance data
2006/6/25, Paulo J. Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > combine.c: top mem usage: 52180k (13915k). GC execution time 0.66 > (0.61) 4% (4%). User running time: 0m16 (0m14). > How are you collecting top mem usage? Sorry, that's not the top mem usage, but rather peak GC allocated bytes. Determining them is easy from -Q output. -- Laurynas
Re: unable to detect exception model
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 11:19:45AM -0700, Andrew Pinski wrote:
> Maybe the struct should be rewritten like:
> >struct max_alignment {
> > char c;
> > union {
> >long double d;
> >HOST_WIDEST_INT i;
> > } u;
> >};
>
> To make sure the long double was first which is usually the cures the
> whole struct
> alignment issues.
It's a union. If that makes a difference the platform ABI is
hopelessly broken.
Anyway, I'm thinking of MAX_FIELD_ALIGNMENT or something like that.
--
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery
Re: unable to detect exception model
On 6/25/06, Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 07:59:14PM +0200, Richard Guenther wrote:
> pass? What is MAX_ALIGNMENT on ppc-darwin? It's defined as
>
> struct max_alignment {
> char c;
> union {
> HOST_WIDEST_INT i;
> long double d;
> } u;
> };
>
> /* The biggest alignment required. */
>
> #define MAX_ALIGNMENT (offsetof (struct max_alignment, u))
I learned while working on the zone collector that there is at least
one platform where this doesn't work, because "long double" had an
alignment of eight on its own and four as a structure field. It might
have been powerpc-darwin.
Though that particular part of ggc-page is the same before and after
the patch. Of course we may now get MAX_ALIGNMENT alignment
where we got MAX_ALIGNMENT*2 before.
Richard.
Re: unable to detect exception model
> It would be nice if you can track down this some more, as I do not > have access to ppc-darwin. And to SPARC/Solaris 32-bit? :-) /opt/build/eric/gcc/./gcc/xgcc -B/opt/build/eric/gcc/./gcc/ -B/opt/build/eric/local/gcc/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/bin/ -B/opt/build/eric/local/gcc/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/lib/ -isystem /opt/build/eric/local/gcc/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/include -isystem /opt/build/eric/local/gcc/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/sys-include -O2 -g -DIN_GCC-W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wold-style-definition -isystem ./include -I. -I. -I/home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc -I/home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/. -I/home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/../include -I./../intl -I/home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/../libcpp/include -I/opt/build/eric/local/include -I/opt/build/eric/local/include -I/home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/../libdecnumber -I../libdecnumber \ -c /home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/config/sparc/gmon-sol2.c -o gmon.o /home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/config/sparc/gmon-sol2.c:1: internal compiler error: BusError Please submit a full bug report, with preprocessed source if appropriate. See http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions. gmake[3]: *** [gmon.o] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/opt/build/eric/gcc/gcc' gmake[2]: *** [all-stage2-gcc] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/build/eric/gcc' gmake[1]: *** [stage2-bubble] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/build/eric/gcc' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 Reverting your patch makes it go away too. I'll try and look into it tomorrow. -- Eric Botcazou
Re: unable to detect exception model
On 6/25/06, Eric Botcazou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would be nice if you can track down this some more, as I do not > have access to ppc-darwin. And to SPARC/Solaris 32-bit? :-) No ;) But I verified that i386-apple-darwin still works. Also ppc-aix still works. /opt/build/eric/gcc/./gcc/xgcc -B/opt/build/eric/gcc/./gcc/ -B/opt/build/eric/local/gcc/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/bin/ -B/opt/build/eric/local/gcc/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/lib/ -isystem /opt/build/eric/local/gcc/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/include -isystem /opt/build/eric/local/gcc/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/sys-include -O2 -g -DIN_GCC-W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wold-style-definition -isystem ./include -I. -I. -I/home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc -I/home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/. -I/home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/../include -I./../intl -I/home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/../libcpp/include -I/opt/build/eric/local/include -I/opt/build/eric/local/include -I/home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/../libdecnumber -I../libdecnumber \ -c /home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/config/sparc/gmon-sol2.c -o gmon.o /home/eric/svn/gcc/gcc/config/sparc/gmon-sol2.c:1: internal compiler error: BusError Please submit a full bug report, with preprocessed source if appropriate. See http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions. gmake[3]: *** [gmon.o] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/opt/build/eric/gcc/gcc' gmake[2]: *** [all-stage2-gcc] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/build/eric/gcc' gmake[1]: *** [stage2-bubble] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/build/eric/gcc' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 Reverting your patch makes it go away too. I'll try and look into it tomorrow. At least this one looks "easier" to look at. Is SPARC/Solaris a strict alignment target? Richard.
Re: unable to detect exception model
> At least this one looks "easier" to look at. Is SPARC/Solaris a > strict alignment target? Yes, all SPARC targets are. -- Eric Botcazou
Re: unable to detect exception model
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Eric Botcazou wrote:
> > At least this one looks "easier" to look at. Is SPARC/Solaris a
> > strict alignment target?
>
> Yes, all SPARC targets are.
So, something obviously wrong with
struct max_alignment {
char c;
union {
HOST_WIDEST_INT i;
long double d;
} u;
};
/* The biggest alignment required. */
#define MAX_ALIGNMENT (offsetof (struct max_alignment, u))
for SPARC 32bit?
Richard.
--
Richard Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Novell / SUSE Labs
Re: unable to detect exception model
> So, something obviously wrong with
>
> struct max_alignment {
> char c;
> union {
>HOST_WIDEST_INT i;
>long double d;
> } u;
> };
>
> /* The biggest alignment required. */
>
> #define MAX_ALIGNMENT (offsetof (struct max_alignment, u))
>
> for SPARC 32bit?
I don't think so, the ABI says 8 in both cases.
Note that bootstrap doesn't fail on SPARC/Solaris 2.[56] and (presumably)
SPARC/Linux, which have HOST_WIDE_INT == 32, whereas SPARC/Solaris 7+ have
HOST_WIDE_INT == 64. All are 32-bit compilers.
Bootstrap doesn't fail on SPARC64/Solaris 7+ either, for which the ABI says 16
for the alignment in both cases. They are 64-bit compilers.
--
Eric Botcazou
RE: RFC: __cxa_atexit for mingw32
> From: Ranjit Mathew > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:28 PM > Danny Smith wrote: > > Adding a real __cxa_atexit to mingw runtime is of course also > > possible, but I thought I'd attempt the easy options first. > > When you say "runtime", do you mean libstdc++ or something like > libmingwex.a in "mingw-runtime"? If you mean the former, you can add > this in for GCC 4.2 and work on a real > __cxa_atexit() for GCC 4.3, if you want. > A real __cxa_atexit solution needs to be integrated into the "mingw-runtime". The initialization and finalization of the at-exit tables needs to be handled by mainCRTStartup/DllMainCRTStartup and the C runtime functions _onexit, atexit and possibly dllonexit need to rewritten as wrappers around cxa_atexit. As it turns out, that is fairly simple: eg., the version of __cxa_atexit and friends that is in the STLPort library translate to mingw quite easily with a few minor tweaks to accomodate the win32 API. And integrating atexit/_onexit into cxa_atexit is facilitated by the fact that the msvcrt versions of these functions are exported only as "_imp__" prefixed indirect references, so that we can avoid getting mixed up with MS version of these functions.I have tested all that with a basic single-threaded implementation and no problems. But that won't happen before 4.2 is released. I don't know how difficult it will be to convince other mingw developers that this idea is a good thing: replace an ISO standard-conformant and perfectly adequate atexit function already supplied by OS vendor with a new version, perhaps with some licensing strings attached. I expect the fake cxa_atexit hack I illustrated earlier would meet less resistance, and that is why I considered it the easier option. Me? The __cxa_atexit behaviour is documented. AFAICT, the msvcrt-specific behaviour of the atexit and dllonexit functions is not, and was 'discovered' by a lot of trial and error. So, today, I'd prefer to implement a real __cxa_atexit and point users to the ABI specs. Thanks for replying to this thread, Ranjit. We'll see if any other mingw developers read this list. Danny > Thanks, > Ranjit. > >
How can I remove articles posted under my name?
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Re: How can I remove articles posted under my name?
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > As the title says, how can I remove articles posted > under my name "Alexander Verhaeghe" or e-mailaddress > "alexanderverhaeghe at yahoo dot com" You can't. And by shot-gunning your request to [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc@gcc.gnu.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which probably was ment to read gnu.org), [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] you certainly aren't doing yourself a favor and, by the way, just generated another couple of hits in the archives. Plus, even if we removed the message posted by you, there still would me those where others responded and quoted from your original message, and we definitely do not want to touch those. Obviously, you have not bothered to read the footer we carefully put on every single page at http://gcc.gnu.org, have you? Gerald
Re: How can I remove articles posted under my name?
On 6/26/06, Alexander Verhaeghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As the title says, how can I remove articles posted under my name "Alexander Verhaeghe" or e-mailaddress "alexanderverhaeghe at yahoo dot com" You can not. And it would not be very useful either, because all the lists you sent mail to are archived in a lot more places than just gcc.gnu.org. Sorry. Gr. Steven
Re: Boehm-gc performance data
On 25/06/06, Laurynas Biveinis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2006/6/25, Paulo J. Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > combine.c: top mem usage: 52180k (13915k). GC execution time 0.66 > > (0.61) 4% (4%). User running time: 0m16 (0m14). > > > > How are you collecting top mem usage? Sorry, that's not the top mem usage, but rather peak GC allocated bytes. Determining them is easy from -Q output. Ah, ok! -- Laurynas -- Paulo Jorge Matos - pocm at sat inesc-id pt Web: http://sat.inesc-id.pt/~pocm Computer and Software Engineering INESC-ID - SAT Group
Re: How can I remove articles posted under my name?
[ cutting down the CC list ] Alexander Verhaeghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Mon, 26 Jun 2006: As the title says, how can I remove articles posted under my name "Alexander Verhaeghe" or e-mailaddress "alexanderverhaeghe at yahoo dot com" When I do a search in http://gcc.gnu.org/lists.html I get 8 results which I would like to have removed, espcially when they popup in the searchengines. You've just added another 2 to that list. Had you not misspelled gnu.org once that would have been three. Needless to say that these 2 will be reproduced on several other list archives, including gmane.org which you found before. Please stop spamming the lists with requests to be removed from the list archives hosted on gcc.gnu.org and other, unrelated sites. As other people have pointed out to you, this is not going to happen (reg. my previous answers, I might add that I wasn't aware that there's a policy in place against this, but it makes a lot of sense), and the lists themselves are the wrong place to ask for this. If you don't want your address published, this originally happened a year ago, when you originally posted to the list and only turning back time can revert this fact. If you don't want unfavorably looking posts appearing in a google search of your name, you've not done yourself a favor with today's series of posts. Sorry, - Tobi This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
"Free as in Freedom"
"Free as in Freedom" in http://www.gnu.org/home.html#ContactInfo You're not even able to remove a couple of messages, so how "free" am I now? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wanted $300 for removal! How "free" am I now? You should be ashamed of yourselves! Not only privacy is not respected, [EMAIL PROTECTED] also threatened that more hits would be generated in the archives, [EMAIL PROTECTED] shouldn't do that, it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Question concerning shared libraries in non-standard locations
I have a situation (on Linux or Solaris, at least), in which I install versions of GCC in non-standard directories (specifically, directories not owned & operated by root). With such an installation, when a GCC link finds a definition of an external reference in a shared library that is part of the .../lib subdirectory used by this installation, it treats the shared library as if it were also installed in one of the standard locations known to the dynamic linker, and does NOT store the path to the directory in which that library is found. The result is that to run the linked executable, one must either 1. Add this non-standard directory to one's LD_LIBRARY_PATH, or 2. Remember to include the appropriate -W,l-R option or whatever in and every compilation. For C programs, this is seldom an issue, although it can be if one uses -shared-libgcc. It's more problematic with G++, where a simple Hello World program that uses iostream requires this special treatment. Of course, I could just install everything in a standard location, but I keep several versions of GCC around, so that is not the best solution. Besides which, as a DEFAULT behavior, this strikes me as odd---linking against a standard shared library that the compiler (in principle) KNOWS will likely be unavailable or incompatible at execution. Of course, it's easy to come up with cases where you really want to make sure that the runtime link is satisfied from some standard location, so the current behavior has to be supported, but isn't it a little odd as a default? Comments and instructions as to how to configure my local GCC builds to do what I want by default (which in this case means recording the path to the non-standard library in the executables) welcome. Thanks. Paul Hilfinger
Re: "Free as in Freedom"
On Sun, 2006-06-25 16:44:22 -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not only privacy is not respected, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > also threatened that more hits would be generated in > the archives, [EMAIL PROTECTED] shouldn't do that, > it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! This is the internet. It's where people work together and share data. If you want to do that in private, use a VPN. If you want to be in private, just don't post emails to publically archived mailing lists. That's not hard, but it's too late right now. You've done that "mistake" and you cannot turn back time. So please shut up now. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 _ O _ "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger" | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: "Free as in Freedom"
Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now." Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling things? To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of "Free as in Freedom"! --- Jan-Benedict Glaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2006-06-25 16:44:22 -0700, Alexander > Verhaeghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not only privacy is not respected, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > also threatened that more hits would be generated > in > > the archives, [EMAIL PROTECTED] shouldn't do > that, > > it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! > > This is the internet. It's where people work > together and share data. > If you want to do that in private, use a VPN. If you > want to be in > private, just don't post emails to publically > archived mailing lists. > > That's not hard, but it's too late right now. You've > done that > "mistake" and you cannot turn back time. > > So please shut up now. > > MfG, JBG > > -- > Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. > +49-172-7608481 _ O _ > "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen > Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O > für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger" | im > Internet! | im Irak! O O O > ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & > ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: RFC: __cxa_atexit for mingw32
Danny Smith wrote: > is a good thing: replace an ISO standard-conformant and perfectly > adequate atexit function already supplied by OS vendor with a new > version, perhaps with some licensing strings attached. I expect the > fake cxa_atexit hack I illustrated earlier would meet less resistance, > and that is why I considered it the easier option. This change would be contained in crt?.o & dllcrt?.o, no? So that would mean it would get statically linked, with no additional runtime dependency. Assuming it was licensed the same way as the rest of the existing CRT startup code, I don't see how anyone could complain. It would give us proper __cxa_atexit support for essentially free. Brian
Re: "Free as in Freedom"
Always threatening, you're even worse than Microsoft... Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to use this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to rip me off $300! --- Robert Dewar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > > Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now." > > > > Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I > > suppose of handling things? > > > > To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of > "Free > > as in Freedom"! > > If I googled on your name and found this sort of > absurd post, I would form conclusions right away. > People will see these quotes for ever, they are > not going away, they will follow you everywhere, > is this what you want? > > Do you not understand that it is technically > impossible > to remove those posts, there are thousands of copies > of > this all over the net. By posting to this list, you > gave consent to this massing reproduction of what > you > wrote, and it cannot be undone. > > Free as in freedom does not allow you to insist on > other > people removing your messages, and the idea that it > violates privacy rules to refuse is absurd. On the > contrary the operation of freedom here is that > anyone > anywhere has the ability and right to copy your > posts, > and thousands of people have already taken advantage > of > this permission that you gave by posting in the > first place. > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: "Free as in Freedom"
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:02:41PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: >Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now." > >Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling >things? > >To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of "Free as in Freedom"! However, you have been told quite clearly what the site policy is. None of the mailing lists at gcc.gnu.org are intended to be rant lists so you really do have to stop sending this type of email since it is off-topic for every list that you are using. If you can't stop yourself, then steps will be taken to block you from sending email here.
Re: "Free as in Freedom"
On Sun, 2006-06-25 17:02:41 -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of "Free > as in Freedom"! Ah, so your understanding of "Freedom" reads like: Okay guys, I've sent out some rude emails insulting you a bit about your fortran stuff and all. I've put that into publically archived mailing lists and I just ignored the fact of "publically archived." Well, it seems to fuck up by bio and because of me being lame, please waste your time to search the archives for my name and drop them all, maybe even including replys etc. My reading of Freedom is more like: Heya, your mailing list archive sux because you cannot easily find a people's attitude there. I've taken all the HTML stuff and made it useful. With a single click, you can now find out if a person is only a lame guy not reading sources or documentation, yelling about it's inabilities and not doing any community work. See the difference? "Freedom", as we see it, is the right to participate, not the right to let others work for you. But you'll learn that the other day. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 _ O _ "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger" | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: "Free as in Freedom"
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:16:37PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > Always threatening, you're even worse than > Microsoft... > Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to use > this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to > rip me off $300! > Alexander the email you requested removed at this link http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.fortran/day=20050926# was written by me. You have no right to ask for my post to be removed. In viewing the above link, you will find "On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 04:21:19PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:" There is no email address at that link. It is however interesting to read your posts to Lahey and Microsoft forums. I suspect your recent spat of postings here has earned you many killfile entries. -- Steve
Re: "Free as in Freedom"
"It is of course not a threat to point out that anything you post here will be permanently associated with your name for ever, and that there is no way to undo this. This is just a statement of fact." There is always a way of undoing things, it's simply a matter if you want to do so or not, and in this case clearly not. I don't see any reason why this conversation will be listed by just mailing a couple e-mailaddresses which I contacted before numerous times and no one responded for the simple reason they don't want to. Just delete all e-mailaddresses and state clearly that once posted it can not be undone. I'm almost sure that your practices are against the laws of privacy. Tomorrow I will check this out, as a matter of fact I already did. You have no right to publish things without permission. If all this crap is ever to be published, no one will believe, gnu.org is simply making itself ridiculous by publishing this. I just got another mail from Christopher Faylor, which "threatens" to block me from sending mail, why not, once again so much freedom... There isn't even freedom of speech here. Do I continue until I'm blocked? --- Robert Dewar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I did not mean my message at all as a threat, but > just as some helpful advice. Note that it was sent > only to you, not to the list. It is normally not a > good idea to post such private messages to a public > list without permission (and may indeed violate > copyright, though that's not clear). For sure it is > a violation of netiquette, so you add that to your > record here. > > I respond to the list here just to make it clear > that I did not post the message to the list. > > It is of course not a threat to point out that > anything you post here will be permanently > associated with your name for ever, and that > there is no way to undo this. This is just a > statement of fact. > > In our modern day and age, people will often google > a name to find out more about someone, and when they > do that, all your old posts will appear. Again, > that's > not a threat, just a statement of a fact that should > be clear to anyone posting on any list. > > Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > > Go ahead threatening people, it's all what you > > accomplished so far! You say "Are you really > sure", I > > don't even have the chance to say yes or no, so > much > > freedom! > > > > That e-mail of $300 I will keep just in case... > > > > --- Robert Dewar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Are you really sure you want the below message to > be > >> permanently associated with your name, it is now > .. > >> and this association can never be removed. I > think > >> you should think before posting any more messages > >> that will follow you around. > >> > >> Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > >>> "Free as in Freedom" in > >>> http://www.gnu.org/home.html#ContactInfo > >>> > >>> You're not even able to remove a couple of > >> messages, > >>> so how "free" am I now? > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wanted $300 for removal! > >>> How "free" am I now? You should be ashamed of > >>> yourselves! > >>> > >>> Not only privacy is not respected, > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> also threatened that more hits would be > generated > >> in > >>> the archives, [EMAIL PROTECTED] shouldn't do > >> that, > >>> it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! > >>> > >>> > __ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: "Free as in Freedom"
Please tell me where I can read this "spat of postings" so that I can evaluate them. I guess I have to change emailaddress (not difficult) and name (more difficult) after this stuff. I never typed so much in a short time! --- Steve Kargl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:16:37PM -0700, Alexander > Verhaeghe wrote: > > Always threatening, you're even worse than > > Microsoft... > > Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to > use > > this? Please don't forget to mention that you want > to > > rip me off $300! > > > > Alexander the email you requested removed at this > link > > http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.fortran/day=20050926# > > was written by me. You have no right to ask for my > post > to be removed. In viewing the above link, you will > find > > "On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 04:21:19PM -0700, Alexander > Verhaeghe wrote:" > > There is no email address at that link. > > It is however interesting to read your posts to > Lahey and > Microsoft forums. > > I suspect your recent spat of postings here has > earned > you many killfile entries. > > -- > Steve > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: "Free as in Freedom"
Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Always threatening, you're even worse than Microsoft... Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to use this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to rip me off $300! First of all, again you are quoting my private messages. Second, the $300 has nothing to do with me, though I see no objection to people charging for work you ask them to do on your behalf. Third, can't you get it through your head that no threats are involved here, just some very basic statements of facts. You seem to be unaware of these facts as was clear from your initial post. This is certainly off-topic noise but on the other hand perhaps it is instructive to any others following this list who may be sharing the same misconceptions as Alexander. Anyway, I am killing this thread now, and apologies to anyone annoyed by these messages. In both the last two cases, I made the mistake of sending private advice to Alexander, clearly something that is not helpful in this situation. --- Robert Dewar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now." Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling things? To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of "Free as in Freedom"! If I googled on your name and found this sort of absurd post, I would form conclusions right away. People will see these quotes for ever, they are not going away, they will follow you everywhere, is this what you want? Do you not understand that it is technically impossible to remove those posts, there are thousands of copies of this all over the net. By posting to this list, you gave consent to this massing reproduction of what you wrote, and it cannot be undone. Free as in freedom does not allow you to insist on other people removing your messages, and the idea that it violates privacy rules to refuse is absurd. On the contrary the operation of freedom here is that anyone anywhere has the ability and right to copy your posts, and thousands of people have already taken advantage of this permission that you gave by posting in the first place. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: "Free as in Freedom"
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:43:41PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > Please tell me where I can read this "spat of > postings" so that I can evaluate them. I guess I have > to change emailaddress (not difficult) and name (more > difficult) after this stuff. I never typed so much in > a short time! > Well, to start with you can go to http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/fortran/2006-06/ Look for post by "Alexander Verhaeghe". These posts will soon be mirrored. Your google hits are going up. -- Steve
ADMINISTRIVIA about Re: "Free as in Freedom"
I thought I should point out that this thread has hit the "too many recipients" spam blocking rule at gcc.gnu.org so there are a number of messages from various people (but mostly from Alexander) which are not making it to the mailing list. cgf
Re: unable to detect exception model
On 6/25/06, Eric Botcazou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, something obviously wrong with
>
> struct max_alignment {
> char c;
> union {
>HOST_WIDEST_INT i;
>long double d;
> } u;
> };
>
> /* The biggest alignment required. */
>
> #define MAX_ALIGNMENT (offsetof (struct max_alignment, u))
>
> for SPARC 32bit?
I don't think so, the ABI says 8 in both cases.
Note that bootstrap doesn't fail on SPARC/Solaris 2.[56] and (presumably)
SPARC/Linux, which have HOST_WIDE_INT == 32, whereas SPARC/Solaris 7+ have
HOST_WIDE_INT == 64. All are 32-bit compilers.
Bootstrap doesn't fail on SPARC64/Solaris 7+ either, for which the ABI says 16
for the alignment in both cases. They are 64-bit compilers.
SPARC psABI3.0 (32bit version) defines long double as 8 byte aligned.
SCD4.2, 64bit version, defines long double as 16 byte aligned with some caveat
(which essentially says long double can be 8-byte aligned in some cases
- fortran common block case - but the compiler should assume
16-byte unless it can prove otherwise).
On 32bit ABI, there's also a possiblity of "double"s being only 4-byte aligned
when a double is passed on the stack.
I don't know enough about gcc's gc to know whether the above can trip it over,
but the memory allocation (malloc and the likes) shouldn't be a
problem as long as
it returns 8-byte aligned block on 32bit and 16-byte aligned on 64bit.
--
#pragma ident "Seongbae Park, compiler, http://seongbae.blogspot.com";
Re: Question concerning shared libraries in non-standard locations
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 07:47:52PM -0400, Paul Hilfinger wrote:
>
> I have a situation (on Linux or Solaris, at least), in which I
> install versions of GCC in non-standard directories (specifically,
> directories not owned & operated by root). With such an
> installation, when a GCC link finds a definition of an external
> reference in a shared library that is part of the .../lib
> subdirectory used by this installation, it treats the shared library
> as if it were also installed in one of the standard locations known
> to the dynamic linker, and does NOT store the path to the directory
> in which that library is found. The result is that to run the
> linked executable, one must either
So you simply want the RPATH entry in the executable created by "gcc
-o foo foo.c" to contain an entry to locate libgcc.so and
libstdc++.so?
You can modify the specs file to _automatically_ add the -R/-Wl,-rpath
when linking. Below is a possible patch for the GCC 4.0.2 specs file
to accomplish it for Solaris. Linux is handled in a similar way.
--
albert chin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
-- snip snip
--- specs.orig Sun Jun 25 23:30:01 2006
+++ specs Fri Oct 21 00:05:58 2005
@@ -173,6 +173,12 @@
*link_arch:
%{m32:%(link_arch32)} %{m64:%(link_arch64)}
%{!m32:%{!m64:%(link_arch_default)}}
+*rpath:
+-R[gcc library path]
+
+*rpath64:
+-R[gcc library path]/sparcv9
+
*link_command:
-%{!fsyntax-only:%{!c:%{!M:%{!MM:%{!E:%{!S:%(linker) %l %{pie:} %X %{o*}
%{A} %{d} %{e*} %{m} %{N} %{n} %{r}%{s} %{t} %{u*} %{x} %{z} %{Z}
%{!A:%{!nostdlib:%{!nostartfiles:%S}}}%{static:} %{L*} %(mfwrap)
%(link_libgcc) %o %(mflib)%{fprofile-arcs|fprofile-generate:-lgcov}
%{!nostdlib:%{!nodefaultlibs:%(link_gcc_c_sequence)}}
%{!A:%{!nostdlib:%{!nostartfiles:%E}}} %{T*} }}
+%{!fsyntax-only:%{!c:%{!M:%{!MM:%{!E:%{!S:%(linker) %l %{pie:} %X %{o*}
%{A} %{d} %{e*} %{m} %{N} %{n} %{r}%{s} %{t} %{u*} %{x} %{z} %{Z}
%{!A:%{!nostdlib:%{!nostartfiles:%S}}}%{static:} %{L*} %(mfwrap)
%(link_libgcc) %o %(mflib)%{fprofile-arcs|fprofile-generate:-lgcov}
%{!nostdlib:%{!nodefaultlibs:%{!m64:%(rpath)} %{m64:%(rpath64)}
%(link_gcc_c_sequence)}}%{!A:%{!nostdlib:%{!nostartfiles:%E}}} %{T*} }}
