Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas app run as root
On Friday 01 October 2010 15:27, IMP Technologies - Tajinder Singh wrote: > I have created a small basic interface for Fedora to change Plymouth > theme. But as changing theme requires to run some commands as root, I > would like to ask for root password before starting the application. > Similarly whenever we run 'system-config-boot' or other software that > requires root privileges. On any other desktop Linux distribution, either "gksu" or "kdesu" would be installed by default, and if you checked the current user (User.id) and it weren't zero, you could run one of those programs with the path to your program as an argument. It would prompt the user for his password, and if the user had sudo privileges, your program would then be run as root. As I understand it, Red Hat considers programs like gksu to be a security risk, and so it's not available in Fedora. You could build it yourself and include it in the package for your program, I guess. If sudoers is not set up on your users' systems, gksu has a "--su-mode" command line option that should allow you to do the same, but asking for a root password. But most modern distributions don't even set a root password anymore, requiring users to do everything with sudo and graphical wrappers for it such as gksu. I don't know what the case is with Fedora. Rob -- Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances and start using them to simplify application deployment and accelerate your shift to cloud computing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
[Gambas-user] Gambasdoc.org hosting (wiki)
Hi, my name is Rob Kudla. I've been providing hosting for the Gambas wiki at gambasdoc.org for about 6 years. The wiki needs a new host. The Gambas wiki is currently running on a pre-2.0 release of Gambas, because the operating system on which our host runs is too old for anything newer to compile. Benoit has been hamstrung by this limitation for a couple of years now. My company has had a new server ready to be put online with a new local colocation provider for several years, but said provider has been dragging their feet. Even the replacement server may be out of date by the time we finally get it online. (Not looking for any business advice here. If all we wanted was web and mail hosting, we could get that right now from a thousand different places. We have additional requirements.) I myself haven't used Gambas for a project in several years. Nearly all the code I write is for web or mobile applications now. My clients are more interested in mobile and web apps than desktop apps, and I've done more in Java than Gambas recently. Until someone recently asked a question about the Regexp component I wrote long ago, I didn't even have gambas2 installed on my main machine. Given all that, is there anyone with web space on a host on which Benoit can have shell access, capable of running current Gambas releases, and would be willing to work with Benoit to get a copy of the wiki running under Apache? Once everything is working well, I'd transfer ownership of the gambasdoc.org/.com domain names to Benoit. Currently it takes about 300MB of disk space, mysql access and 2.4 million hits per month totaling 15GB of transfer (based on Apache logs; actual transfer should be less than that). While I can't speak for Benoit, I would prefer that it continue to be ad-free, as it's always been. If anyone can take this over, please let me and/or Benoit know. Thanks Rob -- Create and publish websites with WebMatrix Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself; WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambasdoc.org hosting (wiki)
On Monday 11 April 2011 10:45, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote: > So, if I'd hire some server with server access, it wouldn't do? Let me What you describe could be fine for the Gambas wiki, I don't know. (Sounds good to me, but Benoit's the one who wrote it!) What I was trying to avoid was well-meaning suggestions for where my company should get its hosting from in general, since we and our clients have many other requirements unrelated to Gambas. Rob -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Really basic basics
On Friday 20 May 2011 06:08, j h wrote:
> For example a simple program
> has a window with a Valuebox, a button and a slider. How do i program
> it so when i press the button the value of the slider is displayed in
> the valuebox? If anyone can carefull explain how, not just write the
> code, it would really help me get going! Thanks
Fabien already posted the code, but as far as "how" goes:
How you actually do it in the IDE:
Double click the button, it'll create a Sub (subroutine) for you, and in
that subroutine you write the one line of code that takes the value of the
slider and puts it in the valuebox. Press F5 and it'll compile and run
your program.
How it works:
The button, slider and valuebox are all "objects". This is how most
languages work now: instead of just variables, the things you see on the
screen are self-contained objects with their own code ("methods", though
few languages actually use that term in the code) and variables of their
own (most of which are called "properties").
When the user clicks the button, an "event" is generated. There was
nothing like this in Sinclair BASIC and Amiga BASIC had only a little of
that; the closest thing in 8- and 16-bit computing was the "interrupts"
used in assembly language to jump to a particular section of code when the
user pressed a key. The OS gets the mouse button click, the windowing
system determines the mouse is over your button, and sends the event to
Gambas. The Gambas interpreter checks to see if you have code to run when
that event happens, and runs it for you, so all you have to think about is
what happens next.
In a 1980s BASIC program, you would have had a loop waiting for input to
happen. In Gambas, this is done by the interpreter (and much more
efficiently), not your own code. Event handlers you write, like
Button1_Click in Fabien's example, replace the big lists of if/thens we
used to write back then to figure out what the user did and take action
based on it.
Coming from totally procedural code on a single-tasking system like
Sinclair BASIC, object-oriented programming with event handling can take a
while to grasp. VB, Javascript/AJAX, and most graphical programming in
Java, C/C++, Python, etc. all work the same way nowadays, so once you
figure it out in Gambas you'll probably be able to do it in any modern
language you learn.
Rob
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Re: [Gambas-user] Programming, age
On Thursday 23 June 2011 15:52, Fabien Bodard wrote: > i just don't understand the goal of your query ... :/ still confused > about that. He was asking if there were any old-timers around and what they're doing. I wrote my first code on a friend's dad's TRS-80 Model 1 in 1978, sold my first shareware program (on the C64) in 1985, and got my first programming gig doing mainframe DB2 and dBase on the PC in 1990. So, older than some, younger than some. I've definitely moved more toward web apps in the last decade, to the point where it's the vast majority of what I do for clients, but have doing more Java again lately thanks to Android, after not touching it for about 8 years. (Much better now that Eclipse is stable.) Rob -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas for Android
On Wednesday 13 July 2011 05:27, Iggy Budiman wrote: > Android doesn't use X windows, no GTK nor QT. > Maybe You can compile it for text mode only, compile it for Arm, but > with no graphic. Someone has ported Qt to Android. I don't know how many X-specific hacks there are in Gambas, but someone sufficiently motivated (that is to say, not me) might be able to port Gambas (using NDK) as well. Google for android-lighthouse. I think such a thing would be kind of hacky and result in a lot of bad, hoggy non-native-feeling apps being written, due to the way NDK works, but it should be possible. Eclipse and Google's Android SDK together are definitely not as easy to learn as Gambas, but they do provide a GUI form designer and Java is certainly easier to deal with than, say, Objective-C. For those not up to that challenge, there's Google App Inventor. Rob -- AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Multiline RegExp [slightly OT]
On Wednesday 27 July 2011 07:45, Caveat wrote: > But if you were to make a commercial product that looked through some > data, picked out the email addresses (whether it uses regular > expressions or not to achieve that is irrelevant), high-lighted them and > allowed the user to perform some action on them... you *could* (in the > eyes of Apple's lawyers) be infringing on their patent and get pursued > legally through the courts. The very first Unix "mail" program did exactly this -- parsing the plain- text mbox file to find a pattern indicating the start of a message, listing the messages for the user and allowing the user to select one -- and predates Apple's patent by about two decades. That they were given it is sad, but if they were to try to enforce it against someone with enough money to make it worth their while, it's likely they would lose the patent. They have many others which are more dangerous, but not as easily used to subvert a technical discussion into a political one. As for the original topic, the way I used to implement a regexp that returned a list of results back in my Gambas days was to write a function to repeatedly execute the pattern against subsets of the subject string, advancing the offset after each successful match. I wrote the gb.pcre component, and if I wrote a mass-match feature in, I've forgotten it. The only lists it returned were lists of submatches, as in if you searched for /the (q\S+) (b\S+) (f\S+)/ it would return a list containing the entire match, "quick", "brown" and "fox". Rob -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Multiline RegExp [more OT]
On Wednesday 27 July 2011 08:53, Caveat wrote: > Right here, it seems like HTC *IS* losing the battle against Apple over > this very patent! As we all appear to agree, there's an abundance of > prior art, so why the heck has the initial determination gone to Apple? I don't run the list, but I'd rather have non-technical discussions take place elsewhere. Rob -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gambas webos ?
On Thursday 25 August 2011 03:02, Girard Henri wrote: > Do you think gambas could work on hp touchpad webos-3.0.2 ? > I am not good enaugh to make the port but if people are looking to do > it, i am interested. Having done some WebOS development before I got rid of my Palm Pre, I think shoehorning X onto it is possible. However, both the performance and integration with other apps would be terrible. I think someone came up with a way to use the framebuffer and maybe you could get Gambas GTK apps to work with the framebuffer, but that's definitely more work than I would do to support a dead platform. Rob -- EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K The only unified storage solution that offers unified management Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gambas webos ?
On Friday 26 August 2011 06:00, Fabien Bodard wrote: > it will be better to work on integration with android platform !! Android will actually be a little more difficult (WebOS was actually a full Linux implementation but with their own GUI layer instead of X; Android has the kernel but doesn't even have glibc) but yes, I think that would be more worthwhile. I haven't really gotten into NDK programming yet so I don't know how much is missing. Maybe someone's already made an NDK X server which would make porting Gambas easier, though windowed apps on Android are not really a good fit. Rob -- EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K The only unified storage solution that offers unified management Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas app calling a PERL Script which calls a program (rtmpdump)
On Thursday 01 September 2011 14:11, John Rose wrote: > very complicated (33.4kB of script lines) and I do not know PERL (and > have no intention of learning it). Is this concept possible in a Gambas > app? If so, how do I make it work? Calling rtmpdump from Gambas should work more or less the same way as it does in Perl (maybe better because you can do input and output on the same file handle without complicated select() or fork() stuff), but if you're asking whether you can reimplement a long and involved Perl script in Gambas without knowing both languages, I think you're out of luck. If you can get TubeMaster++ to work, it's a much better Linux RTMP/RTMPE dumper than rtmpdump, but not command-line and not scriptable. Rob -- Special Offer -- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! And you'll get a free "Love Thy Logs" t-shirt when you download Logger. Secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsisghtdev2dev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas app calling a PERL Script which calls a program (rtmpdump)
Before I begin, I should tell you that I tried to duplicate your problem but got the list of programmes in my Gambas app just fine using your EXEC command, adjusted to find the copy of get_iplayer I just downloaded. I created a form with a button and a textarea and wrote this in its class: PUBLIC SUB Button1_Click() DIM sType AS String DIM sOutput AS String stype = "TV" EXEC ["/home/schmoe/build/get_iplayer-2.80/get_iplayer", "--force", "-- type=" & sType] TO sOutput TextArea1.Text = sOutput END Please excuse the word wrapping above and below. The result of clicking the button was the textarea being filled with the following: get_iplayer v2.80, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use -- warranty. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; use --conditions for details. Matches: 1: 1911 Centenary Lecture - 1. David Lloyd George, BBC Parliament, Factual,History,Politics,TV, default 2: 1911 Centenary Lecture - 3. Nancy Astor, BBC Parliament, Factual,History,Politics,TV, default 3: 1911 Centenary Lecture - 5. Aneurin Bevan, BBC Parliament, Factual,History,Politics,TV, default [about 792 more lines...] So what I have to say here is just theoretical. I'm using get_iplayer 2.80, Gambas 2.16. On Friday 02 September 2011 02:43, John Rose wrote: > EXEC ["get_iplayer", "--force", "--type=" & sType] TO sOutput > where sType & sOutput are both strings with sType having the value "TV". > This is equivalent to "get_iplayer --force --type="TV" run in a Gnome > Terminal except that the output to StdOut is placed in sOutput. This > command works fine in a Gnome Terminal or even with >Output.txt keyed in > at the end of the command so that the output goes to a file Output.txt. Successfully redirecting the output may not be quite the same thing as EXEC to a variable in Gambas, as outlined below. > get_iplayer is a very complex PERL script which I do NOT want to amend. > get_iplayer involves calling rtmpdump. rtmpdump can be executed in a > Gnome Terminal. I do not even know what language rtmpdump is written in. I'm familiar with rtmpdump, having compiled it myself a few times. It's just C, but in this case that's probably not relevant. To expand upon something Ian said in his reply (it's probably not specifically a password prompt issue since you're able to redirect stdout successfully), it may be that your version of rtmpdump and/or get_iplayer tries to open a TTY (interactive terminal). I didn't see anything obvious in the current version of get_iplayer or my copy of rtmpdump that should do that, but it's almost 10,000 lines of code and the symptoms fit. It would work fine in a terminal, even if you redirect input and output, but not when run from another process outside of a terminal. I ran into the same problem years ago when writing a Gambas program for a client that needed to ssh somewhere. Benoit has made a lot of improvements since then. Try something like this: EXEC ["get_iplayer", "--force", "--type=" & sType] FOR INPUT OUTPUT ... PUBLIC SUB Process_Read DIM tmp as String READ #LAST, tmp, lof(LAST) sOutput = sOutput & tmp ' sOuput END INPUT OUTPUT simulates a tty when executing the process. I have no way of testing this since it works for me as is, and since it's been a few years since I did a Gambas project I'm not even sure that Read event syntax is right. But I hope it's enough to point you in a helpful direction. Rob -- Special Offer -- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! And you'll get a free "Love Thy Logs" t-shirt when you download Logger. Secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsisghtdev2dev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] webbrowser
On Tuesday 28 April 2009 15:25, glenn wrote: > can someone please tell me how to get the html from the webbrowser > control.it is s easy in VB6 but immposible with gambas > webbrowser control.i do not wish to have to highlight then paste as > this sucks. I just looked in the WebBrowser component source, and it seems someone wrote a SelectAll property, but it's commented out, meaning there is no programmatic way in current Gambas versions to select the whole page and then retrieve it using Selection. I may try to uncomment it and recompile to see what the problem was, and package it up if it works, but that won't help users with unmodified Gambas installations. There are other methods for retrieving the HTML from the KHTMLPart widget on which the WebBrowser control is based, but for whatever reason (probably the original author simply didn't need it) they were never exposed. I assume that the KHTMLPart API has changed significantly for KDE4, so the WebBrowser component will have to be reimplemented, and maybe whoever does that will provide access to the HTML text. I'm not sure why this is, but if you need programmatic access to the contents of a web browser control, until some future Gambas release it seems you'll have to go back to VB. Rob -- Register Now & Save for Velocity, the Web Performance & Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance & Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] How to view GAMBAS BASIC code of a GUI, when I write no code
On Thursday 14 May 2009 23:16, KhurramM wrote: > I make gui interface of a form. > I choose options for buttions and lables etc. > How can I view the code for the options I have selected. > Definitely code is amde for all my work. No, not really. Just as in VB, Glade, Qt Designer and most other high level GUI development tools (except Delphi), the form design is stored in a different format. You can go into your project directory and view the files that end in .form to see what it looks like. It would probably be pretty easy to write something to convert those files into Gambas code that instantiates the form with the selected options. I wrote something years ago to convert a subset of the Gambas form description language into HTML and CSS, and converting it to plain Gambas code would involve a lot less fiddling around. Rob -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Feature Request - Package Management
On Tuesday 19 May 2009 03:07, KhurramM wrote: > gambas-3.1.2-install.bin or gambas-3.1.2-install.sh > for every new release (stable or unstable), for all linuxes. > 2> Faster bug fixing (as every one uses it). I certainly wouldn't. If I can't install something using apt-get, I build my own package rather than using some binary installer. > 5> Be independent of compiling and dependency seeking. You realize that for Gambas to include all its dependencies in the installer - Gtk, KDE, mysql, all the other libraries, statically linked so they'll run on any version of Linux - would make the Gambas installer fill a CD and maybe more, right? > 8> Easy testing of a unstable release. When it comes to unstable development versions of programs, I think putting the "make barrier" in place is useful because it prevents less technical users from testing software that isn't safe for them to use yet. If you have trouble compiling things, you're also going to have trouble running a debugger to post a stack trace after a crash. > 3> More documentation to configure and use. > 10> More helps available. How will putting Gambas into a monolithic installer create more documentation and help? > Just as sun offers jdk and jre releases fro linuxes. Sun offers their jdk and jre installers because they used to be proprietary software and most distributions wouldn't package them. That has changed, at least partly, but their culture is already in place. Also, Java has very few dependencies, because it reinvents the wheel for the most part rather than using existing toolkits and libraries the way Gambas does. > Currently I am on hardy, and I dont find it comfortable to compile. There is an installer system called Klik that would provide what you're describing, a single file that includes all dependencies, and years ago someone packaged Gambas 1.x for Klik. But I don't know if anyone updates it any more and even so, if you're running a KDE 3 system and try to install a version of Gambas that includes an entire copy of KDE 4, for example, I think it's not going to work too well. It's a moot point, since even when they kept Klik up to date, they only included stable versions of programs, not development ones. Rob -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] I made a big weird stupid mistake
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 02:27:44 pm Benoît Minisini wrote: > So the gambasdoc.org is not accessible for a unknown period. > Sorry for the inconvenience! > Now I hope Rob has saved something... It's going again, thanks to a 10-month-old backup from the last time I tried to migrate our host to a new server ;) Rob -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Comparing 2 pictures
On Monday 10 August 2009 08:42 am, Doriano Blengino wrote: > There is a program called GQView (and probably others) which have > algorithms to compare two images in the right way - ie scale them to > same size, compress colors and normalize them, then compare pixel by > pixel using a good tolerance. > I did something similar, it is a pascal source (if I only remember > where I put it); or you can download those sources and look into them (C > sources, I suppose). I did the same thing in Perl about 9 years ago, circa Mandrake 7. Don't know if it would even run with current versions of everything, and it's heavily dependent on Imagemagick for the normalizing, but here it is: http://www.kudla.org/raindog/perl/ (see findimagedupes, the first entry on that page) Also includes someone else's C++ implementation of the comparison function which sped it up by several orders of magnitude. But if both pictures are guaranteed to be the same size, something as simple as converting each one to text-based PPM format and using diff should be sufficient. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Comparing 2 pictures
On Monday 10 August 2009 09:58 am, richard terry wrote: > > But if both pictures are guaranteed to be the same size, something as > > simple as converting each one to text-based PPM format and using diff > > should be sufficient. > > thanks, but whats a PPM format? (sorry I'm image illiterate) It's just another format like PNG or JPG, but it can be optionally text- based. Assuming you have ImageMagick installed on your system, if you go convert myimage.jpg -compress none test.ppm and then "less test.ppm", you'll see that it's written as a plain text file. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] pickle?
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 02:32 am, Peter Tyler wrote: > One thing I'm looking for in Gambas is something like the > python "pickle" functionality. > Does anyone know if this functionality is available? Benoit used to talk about object persistence/serialization as a 3.0 feature, but I don't know the status of that yet. As Steven posted, you can always just write data types to a file directly, but to write them in a semi-human-readable format like pickle does would probably need its own component or module. Parsing existing pickle data would probably not be that hard; I've done it in Perl on a number of occasions. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] text interface apps
On Wednesday 12 August 2009 12:30 pm, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote: > And yes: I don't think the special "graphical characters" like in DOS > (ASCII > 128) exist on a Linux terminal, do they? So it would be > somewhat difficult to build "mask" like things. Though Midnight > Commander can do this, how does it handle this? Maybe special fonts for > terminal output? And top has lines, too... The ANSI extensions to ASCII include all those graphical characters (and that's how they did them in DOS as well.) Most modern terminal types support ANSI, but you can't count on the user's font supporting them. I assume this is why some Linux console programs use +--+ to make lines and corners instead of those box characters. The way to do this, I think, would be to make a Gambas component that implements as much of gb.form as possible using the ncurses library. ncurses is lower level than gtk or Qt though (I'm not sure it even manages its own event loop), so it would be a big project. But Mono has it (see MonoCurses) so it's certainly possible. I seem to remember a Gtk-like toolkit that sat on top of ncurses, so maybe if that's still being developed it would be an option. Googling got me to mytui, NDK++ and CDK, which are ncurses-based widget sets, but they haven't been updated in a few years. Then again, maybe someone trying to develop a Gambas component could use that code as a starting point. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Managing soundtracks, WAVs
On Friday 14 August 2009 08:15 am, Joshua Higgins wrote: > I'm sure there is an example project that handles playing wav files... I'm pretty sure I or someone else posted a simple WAV player example to the list shortly after the gb.sdl component was released (I know I wrote one but someone might have beaten me to it.) No idea about recording though Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] The Gambas wiki...
On Sunday 18 October 2009 06:47 pm, Jerry McBride wrote: > Is the source code for the wiki available? I understand it's written in > gambas... It would make a great tutorial. As far as I know, it's included in the Gambas tarball in the "app/src/doc.cgi" directory. Rob -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Licensing problems in Gambas
On Thursday 19 November 2009 07:09 am, Benoît Minisini wrote: > There are two licensing problems in Gambas that must be solved. > 1) The first one should not be difficult: we must find a license for the > gambas wiki documentation that makes it free. I need suggestions... Wikipedia uses the GNU FDL, and of course there are the various Creative Commons licenses that are better suited to documentation than programs. I guess the next question is whether everyone who's contributed to the wiki will go for whichever license you pick; I'm certainly okay with the GFDL or CC-BY-SA, but I have no idea how other people would feel. I thought I had some text in the old Wiki on the editor page that required the user to submit their entries under some free license, but that page wasn't included in the static dumps for obvious reasons and I can't find the old tarballs of our TWiki installation that I made after the spammers attacked. At any rate, I don't see anything like that in the current Wiki's editor. > 2) The bad problem: gb.db.firebird uses two sources files from > www.ibpp.org whose license (the Borland Interbase Public License) is > not compatible with the GPL. This point was raised by Kelly Hopkins, > the maintainer of the gnu.org free software directory. I'm afraid > Gambas will have to lose firebird support, but maybe we should ask > www.ibpp.org about that. I need help there too! Who wrote gb.db.firebird? Maybe they could maintain it as a separate package, though I guess whichever Gambas headers they built against would have to be relicensed as LGPL in that case. I didn't know anyone used firebird anymore. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Licensing problems in Gambas
On Thursday 19 November 2009 09:52 am, Toni wrote: > If NC or NC are choosen then the resulting Creative commons license > can't be considered a free license. Further I think that some people > won't consider as a "valid free license" a Creative commons with > condition of Attribution (BY). The CC-BY license is essentially a BSD-style license for non-code uses, and CC-BY-SA is meant as a copyleft like the GPL, though it's fundamentally less stringent because it doesn't require source materials to be provided (I've been looking for that kind of license for my music for years and no one has come up with one, probably because of the difficulty in establishing what constitutes source materials for artistic works). As far as BY goes, there are no CC licenses without attribution anymore, see here: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/ Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Licensing problems in Gambas
On Thursday 19 November 2009 10:36 am, Charlie Reinl wrote: > gambas-1.0.17/help/VisualIntroductionToGambas.html > is this what your looking for ? No, by "the editor page" I meant the page that lets you enter stuff into the wiki, not the page with screenshots of the IDE. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas as firefox plugin !!!
On Monday 23 November 2009 05:07 pm, Vackoy wrote: > I think is an excellent idea but i don't know if it is possible. > Sorry my ignorance but what is an ecma-script code?? ECMAscript is the language used in web browsers as "Javascript" and in Flash applets as "Actionscript". I don't really think crosscompiling Gambas code to Javascript makes any more sense than crosscompiling Gambas code to Java. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas as firefox plugin !!!
On Monday 23 November 2009 05:06 pm, nospam.nospam.nos...@gmail.com wrote: > My opinion is that it is a terrible idea. For starters, how do you plan > to install the runtime libraries, using sudo apt-get or distribute the > libraries as as part of the plugin? And once you've decided that, how > many hours will users on slow connections have to wait while umpteen > megabytes of support libraries are downloaded and installed? Gambas as a plugin would have to include the barest minimum of components (maybe just SDL, some embeddable database, etc., and the Gambas-based components that require only those) and those components would have to all be based on libraries that can be statically linked, like all the other Netscape-style plugins out there. But having such a limited subset of components would keep the plugin pretty small in modern terms, certainly far smaller than Java, for example. And as with Java, there would have to be a mechanism for downloading other software components, whether at each runtime or cached on the disk. > > If there is a Gambas web browser plugin then the Gambas will be the > > first Basic language that can be run everywhere due to browser > > (firefox) and will have not limited only to Linux. > Really? So you plan to run a Google-sized freenx server farm for Windows > users then? Gambas has been built successfully under Windows, though getting gb.sdl and friends to work would be left as an exercise for well, someone who has a Windows machine, for starters. Not most people here. Still, that is possible. (Original poster wrote:) > > Also this means that programmers can write easy known Basic > > applications that can be run in any hardware that runs a browser (any > > device from cell phone to pc). This is a misconception: most cell phone browsers do not support Netscape- style plugins, and those that do (like the Palm Pre's) don't support standard x86 Netscape-style plugins. While I disagree with Mr. Nameless Angry Guy about the reasons why this isn't a sound idea, I do agree that it probably won't work too well. 1. This method of popularizing a language has been tried before with Tcl and Perl (probably others too, but those are the ones I know). I think that in both cases, it did more damage to the language's reputation than good, because of the impression it gives of "me too". 2. The functionality that would have to be removed to make it self- contained and small would take away a lot of its selling points. 3. Gambas hasn't been written with sandboxing or any other particular security concerns in mind. You need that in a language implemented as a browser plugin. 4. Plugins to add browser functionality are on their way out thanks to HTML5 and greater attention paid to standards by every vendor except Microsoft. In another year or two, even Flash will be regarded as a legacy technology as more people start running browsers with native video support. That said, I did start playing around with trying to hack the Gambas interpreter into a Palm Pre WebOS-compatible ARM Netscape plugin, since plugins are literally the only way to put non-Javascript code in your WebOS application. Didn't get very far (got hung up on the same ARM crosscompilation issue as someone else who recently posted, before even making any code changes). But I'm still looking at doing that, as well as trying to get a minimal Gambas/gb.sdl Nintendo DS port going which would be tougher, with little to no POSIX compatibility available. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas as firefox plugin !!!
On Monday 23 November 2009 10:14 pm, nospam.nospam.nos...@gmail.com wrote: > I do that, some people infer angry emotions that aren't there. Just because you're denying them doesn't mean they're not there. I wish you the best of luck with your healing process, at such time as you choose to embark upon it. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] keep forms into a form
On Tuesday 24 November 2009 05:23 am, nospam.nospam.nos...@gmail.com wrote: > Look, I cut my teeth on DOS before Windows was even dreamt of. The win3 > MDI interface was the best anyone could come up with two full decades > ago. And the "vomiting little windows all over the desktop" approach was the best anyone could come up with two and a half decades ago.... on the Mac. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas as firefox plugin !!!
On Tuesday 24 November 2009 11:23 am, José Luis Redrejo Rodríguez wrote: > That's the idea behind of GWT [1] or Pyjama [2], and I can assure you > that both are good project, and GWT is very succesfully and is making > me thinking of migrate some of my gambas applications to a web > interface, even if I have to use Java (which I wouldn't say it's a > language I love) to do the user frontend. I did write a script in 2004 to generate DHTML widgets out of Gambas 1.0 forms (HTML + Javascript + CSS + some perl CGI code -- the term "Ajax" hadn't been coined yet), but simply taking desktop apps and throwing them on a web page really didn't work that well as a user interface paradigm. But I forgot about GWT. I should have a look at the code it generates to see how awful it is, but it's still strange to me to think of a high-level interpreted language as a compilation target. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Another question about Gambas on ARM
On Thursday 26 November 2009 08:40 am, Matteo Lisi wrote: > If what I said is correct how I can do for port gambas on ARM ? > Is correct to crosscompile the gcc compile for ARM and then made > "./configure make make install" > on the ARM platform ? Someone else suggested looking at the Debian ARM packages of Gambas, and I think that's a pretty good place to start. I would think you'd have to run "make install" on the target architecture, perhaps in an emulator environment if it's not available to you at build time. Rob -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas Remotly Debug
On Thursday 03 December 2009 05:15 pm, Benoît Minisini wrote: > Your new threads are never attached to another non-related thread when I > receive them. Why? I use KMail: do other people see the same thing than > me? I've been using kmail since before version 1.0 and I've never seen these list messages threaded at all, even though I have "Expand thread" and "Collapse thread" options in the View menu. Rob -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Please help
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 12:14 pm, Zelimir Ikovic wrote: > http://code.google.com/p/domotiga-livecd/downloads/list > When I download Live CD there is 8 files, what is next to do I can't tell what operating system you're using, so here are a few guesses. In Ubuntu, you would install "unrar" in System/Administration/Synaptic package manager, open the folder into which you downloaded the files, and double click the first file. In the window that comes up should be the CD image. Drag that into another folder, right click on it, and select "Write to Disc". If you're running Windows, you'll want to google for 7zip (I think it's www.7-zip.org), download and install it. Open the folder into which you downloaded the files, and double click the first file. In the window that comes up should be the CD image. Drag that into another folder. Unfortunately, I don't know what Windows software is best to use for burning CD images to disc, so you'd have to google around for that. Rob -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas and ssh
On Wednesday 23 June 2010 11:38 am, Pablo Ontivero wrote: > Hi, i'm trying to make a app for connect to a pc with ssh, i can connect > [...] > entablish and after press the button3 the connection close. I'm not sure > if when i press the button2 i send the command, but i don't know how to > see this. Please, anyone can help me? Thanks. I don't know if it's still the case, but ssh used to require a TTY and Gambas' SHELL command used to not provide one. I ended up writing a perl wrapper using a TTY simulator module that spawned ssh on a TTY, passing the command line arguments as well as handling bidirectional I/O between the two processes. I might have used the Expect module, not sure (it was for a client and I don't think I have the code anymore.) Rob -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gambas for iphone or ipad apps
On Thursday 19 August 2010 02:41, Tomas Rodriguez wrote: > I would like to know How can I developer apps for ipod or iphone with > gambas? According to Apple's own iPhone developer agreement, "Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs ..." So even if you were able to write programs for the iPhone in Gambas, doing so would get you rejected from the App Store. To develop more than web apps for the iPhone, you need to buy a Mac and learn Objective-C (which is their preferred language), C or C++. Most likely Objective-C, since C and C++ can be used in cross-platform toolkits and Apple is doing its best to kill those off. They might institute an Objective-C-only policy in the future. It may be possible to port Gambas and an X server to the iPhone/iPad for use by users with jailbroken devices, but without a profit or fame motive, I don't see anyone putting the effort into that. I already went down this path about a year ago, and Apple's only gotten stricter since then. Rob -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Make an app they can't live without Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gambas for iphone or ipad apps
On Saturday 21 August 2010 03:37, Iggy Budiman wrote: > What about android on arm? Gambas can compile in arm right? > There's a lot of cheap (made in china) android tablet in the market. > If gambas (ide and compiled app.) can run on those platform, I'd like to > order some of those. > Would be nice too, since we would be able to make android application > using gambas, even develop on it too. Android is Linux-based but doesn't run X. You code for it in Java using Google's own APIs. But they recently came out with a "native development kit" to allow easier porting of games, and it might be that parts of Gambas could be ported to that. Someone has started working on porting Qt to Android, also using the NDK. Until that's ready, you'd have to either roll your own interfaces in SDL or write your own widget set for Android, though (I think a gb.sdl.interface component has been a long time coming but haven't had time myself.) Either way, you'll be running into the problem that your apps don't look native, so you might as well just be writing a web app. But it should be possible. I've been writing Java code on and off for about 12 years, so I've been doing some Android development myself, using Eclipse and some plugins to make GUI development less of a pain. But it's not as elegant as Gambas, and likely never will be. Google also has "App Inventor", which allows you to make basic Android apps with little to no coding, but at a much higher level than Gambas, with far less control (they provide pre-coded graphical "blocks" to assemble your program logic, flowchart style, instead of controls and methods/properties like Gambas). It's more like one of the old game construction kits from the 90s than a development environment, but all they're doing is changing commands and parameters to little puzzle pieces you fit together into "blocks" that are essentially lines of code. You have to request an invitation, so I haven't tried it yet. I also don't think you can start an app in there and finish it by writing code in Eclipse. But I guess that's what I'd recommend trying for a Gambas programmer who wants to develop for Android, at least until someone ports Gambas in a way that makes it feel native. I've been waiting for a cheap Chinese tablet with a multitouch capacitative touchscreen as a test device, since most phones coming out now are multitouch and capacitative (use your finger, not a stylus). If you know of any like that and could send me a link privately, I'd appreciate it. Rob -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Make an app they can't live without Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] RaspberryPi
On 12/17/2012 11:31 AM, John Rose wrote: > Emil & Rob, > Thanks for your replies. I presume that armhf is appropriate for > RaspberryPi. I assume that Ubuntu repos will be fine for Debian Squeeze. > I'll let you know how I get on. Sorry for the confusion. I just answered that question for someone on an ARM forum and forgot they ship with Debian and not Ubuntu. It may pull in a lot of dependencies from Ubuntu repos that make life difficult in the rest of Debian. But I'd probably still try it; Gambas seems made for an educational device like the Pi. Rob -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] How does one do some sort of auto-documentation for program
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 18:46, richard terry wrote: > Anyone know how to set this sort of thing up? Are you talking about something like Perl's "pod" system, where you encapsulate your documentation inside your code? http://www.perl.com/doc/manual/html/pod/perlpod.html I think you could adapt that concept to work with comments in your Gambas code, or adapt Benoit's Wiki generator program to generate static HTML for your own classes. Rob - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Simple question how to select and activate a radiobutton via code
On Monday 23 June 2008 20:33, jbskaggs wrote: > When I try and use radiobutton_click() > it performs the commands in the radiobuton_click() sub but it does > not show the radiobutton as being "depressed" or selected as if you > had clicked on it with a mouse. You've got it a bit backwards. You need to change the Value property of the radio button, which will trigger the Click event, not the other way around. http://gambasdoc.org/help/comp/gb.qt/radiobutton/.click "Raised when the user clicks on the RadioButton or if its value changes." Rob - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Regexp Submatches
On Wednesday 25 June 2008 10:21, Nathan Neff wrote:
> For example, I want to find all non-whitespace characters in the
> string "Gambas", and
> iterate through them. I tried code like this:
> rege.Compile("(\\S)")
> FOR i = 1 TO rege.SubMatches.count
> Message(rege.SubMatches[i].Text)
> But I can only get it to print out the "g" character.
Submatches refer to the parts of your regular expression in
parentheses; matches don't automatically repeat unless you call Exec
multiple times. For example, if you wrote
rege.Compile("(\\S)..(\\S).(\\S)")
you would get three entries in Submatches, which would be g, b and s.
You should theoretically be able to do this, but I just tested it in
a Perl one-liner and there it only returns the last character:
rege.Compile("(\\S)+")
A better solution is to use the Offset property and write your own
method to do a global search (here's some pseudocode to get you
started:)
private function GRX(pattern as string, subject as string) as String[]
dim re as new Regexp
dim matches as new String[]
dim tmp as string
tmp = subject
re.Compile(pattern)
re.Exec(tmp)
do while re.text <> ""
matches.add(re.text)
tmp = mid(tmp, re.offset + 2) ' may need to be 1, can't remember
re.Exec(tmp)
loop
return matches
end
I probably should have just come up with some way to do that inside
the component, but it didn't occur to me at the time.
I see that most of the class member documentation never made it over
from the old Wiki to the current one, so I'll try to take some time
and fix that if I can find my old static copy of the wiki. I wonder
if it would be useful to at least default to a syntax summary (as in
VB's class inspector) rather than prompting the user to edit the page
if the documentation's missing. As it is, if you edit the page but
leave it blank and save it, the wiki inserts the syntax summary
anyway.
Rob
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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas and Mousepointer
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:02, Stefan Miefert wrote: > Under windows I use .cur Format and define theclickpoint in the > gfx programm. But how can I do this in gambas/linux? Set the X and Y properties of your cursor object. Rob - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] packages for mandriva 2007
On Thursday 14 August 2008 10:31, Francesco Xavier Kolly Mally wrote: > to mr. Rob Kudla > do you make gambas urpmi packages for mandriva 2007.0.i586 I do have a Mandriva 2007.0 machine still kicking around (it'll be wiped and replaced with Ubuntu Hardy in the next few weeks if all goes according to plan) but the newest Gambas I've built for it is something like 1.9.49. I'll try to build a current one and see what happens. Rob - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] packages for mandriva 2007
On Thursday 14 August 2008 16:49, Ron Onstenk wrote: > I did play with PClinuxOS-2007 on the work place to teach students. > One of the things I like was the hardware manager (network > special). I do have now dual boot at home between kubuntu hardy and > mandriva 2008.0 Well, I have other machines too (running Mandriva 2007.1, Kubuntu Gutsy, and Mandriva 2008) but he was just asking about the 2007.0 box. It's a stupid thing, but it was my late partner's workstation and I just feel kind of funny about turning it into something else. Since someone still needs packages built it's a good thing I haven't had the nerve yet, I guess. Rob - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] All Basic new look
On Wednesday 20 August 2008 17:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Our webmaster just release the new look for www.AllBasic.Info. The > Gambas board is looking pretty bare and could use a condensed language > reference guide, tutorials, screen shots and code examples. All your boards are looking pretty bare, because your site has only existed for a few weeks. > Gambas is the best kept secrete in the Basic community and I hope > working together we can change that. When the BASIC community starts visiting allbasic.info, I'll probably be part of it. But with the most active board having 6 posts on it as I type this, I don't think that has happened yet. > It would be great if one of the senior members of the Gambas team > would step up and be the team leader for your board on All Basic. As far as I know, I'm the only one here who regularly takes part in web forum support, and I haven't even had time to visit linuxbasic.net, which has the most active Web forum for Gambas, in a month or two. I know that a lot of BASIC users prefer the web forum approach, especially novices, but most developers still seem to prefer mailing lists. The posts come to us rather than the other way around. Best of luck in your endeavor. Rob - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] text files
On Tuesday 26 August 2008 07:17, Mike wrote: > How do I save a text file without extra chars at the start of the file. > If I save with the following code there is one extra char added to the > start of the file. > WRITE #hfile, "Stuff" > If I use a very long string I get two chars added at the start of the file. "WRITE" writes its arguments in binary format, which includes the length of the string in this case. You want PRINT. Rob - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Drawing Persistence
On Sunday 31 August 2008 16:38, Jason Hackney wrote: > How do you make an image in the Drawing Area persistent? > That is, I draw a box. Then open a popup (which appears directly over > my drawing). Close the popup when I'm done and parts of my drawing > (which were covered by the popup) are blanked out--needing to be > redrawn by calling the initial drawing event. You want the Cached property. http://www.gambasdoc.org/help/comp/gb.qt/drawingarea/cached Rob - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas
On Wednesday 03 September 2008 07:57, Ron_1st wrote: > The publisher wil not make it GPL if they can have financial profit > of it when they sell the book. Does the publisher even own the copyright in this case? Rittinghouse used a vanity press, by the looks of the book a print-on-demand one, and they often don't. I would check my copy but it's still packed following my most recent move. If he'd used CafePress or Lulu I would feel safe saying they absolutely don't own it, but as I recall he used a different one. At any rate, the biggest obstacle to wikifying the book was the fact that we don't have the original document. Even then it'd take a lot of work. Benoit's original Gambas documentation was much shorter and it still took me weeks to get it into the original Gambas wiki which eventually fell into disrepair and disorganization, just as I think the one based on this book eventually would. MediaWiki is a better wiki than TWiki was, but a book needs a fundamental organization to it. I think that if someone wants to proceed with this, you'll need to get in touch with John -- or, if the worst has happened, with his estate. Rob - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] MD5SUM collisions
On Friday 24 October 2008 15:10, Kari Laine wrote: > referring to discussion few days back I have now tested md5sum with > 540388 files and got NO collisions - I think. Method I used was to > calculate md5sum and sha512sum for all those files. I really think that the problem with md5sum collisions is relevant to security concerns, but not data integrity concerns. In a security context, you have to say "It would have taken a hacker at least an hour to fake the md5sum on this file", but when you're just trying to prove a copy of a file you've just made is the same as the original, you can say "There is a 1 in 340,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chance that these two files with the same md5sum might be actually different. With odds like that, I'll take my chances." Like you, I'm using md5sums as a method of backup verification, not a password hash or the basis for encryption. I think it's fine. Rob - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Regular expressions
On Thursday 30 October 2008 17:59, Markus Schatten wrote: > I'm a newbee to Gambas and I have a little problem. I would like to use > the pcre Regexp class, but I seem not to be able to find any examples of > how to instantiate a new object nor how to use such objects. Is there > any documentation/tutorial/example? If not could please someone post a > short example on how to use it? Yeah, I updated the wiki a few weeks ago with some documentation. See if it's what you need and tell me if it isn't. http://gambasdoc.org/help/comp/gb.pcre Here is the page about instantiation, to which I just added a brief example: http://gambasdoc.org/help/comp/gb.pcre/regexp/_new Rob - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Regular expressions
On Friday 31 October 2008 12:09, Markus Schatten wrote:
> Thanks a lot for the links, they were very helpfull. Is there a way to
> use a regex for looping through all matches? Something like scan()
> in a for each loop or findall in python-re? I was able to figure out
> that the Text property holds the first match, Submatches is an array of
> given submatches (in parenthesis) and Offset holds the index if the
> first match. There seem to be no other properties defined...
I haven't created a method to do this yet because pcre doesn't include such
a mechanism natively, but it's certainly possible. Here's some
pseudo-code, which should at least compile. I had to add the extra 'and
subj <> ""' test because at least in my copy of gb.pcre, there's a bug
where if you pass it an empty string it throws an error as if you passed
it a null string. I'm building the latest Gambas now to see if Benoit
fixed that when he fixed the rest of my bad code in 2.7.0. ;)
function FindAll(subj as string, pattern as string) as String[]
dim re as Regexp
dim matches as new String[]
re = new Regexp(subj, pattern)
do while re.offset >= 0 and subj <> ""
matches.push(re.text)
if len(subj) > len(re.text) then
subj = mid(subj, re.offset + len(re.text) + 1)
else
subj = ""
end if
if subj <> "" then re.exec(subj)
loop
return matches
end
Rob
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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas Help - PLEASE - Object Arrays - Need help ASAP
On Thursday 06 November 2008 07:19, Robert Moss wrote:
> Ok, awesome. But what is a control group and how do I use one? I can't
> find any documentation on it
The "control group" concept in the form designer corresponds to what comes
after the "AS" when you programmatically create a control. In the example
you posted, you're creating a control group.
Control groups don't automatically create an array when creating them in
the form designer, or allow you to iterate through the controls; it just
ensures that all the controls in the group trigger the same events. But
you're already creating an array in your code, so you've gotten that part
licked.
Differentiating between the controls when their event gets fired is where
most people get tripped up. Most people use the Tag property of each
control to identify it, like this:
' in Form_Open
btns[0].tag = 0
btns[1].tag = 1
' in btns_Click
dim btnindex as integer
btnindex = LAST.Tag
Message.Info("You pressed button " & btnindex)
I find this usage clunky as well, but I've also run into situations where I
wanted multiple controls of different types to trigger the same event, and
control groups allowed me to do that where VB control arrays wouldn't
have.
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Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas Help - PLEASE - Object Arrays - Need help ASAP
On Thursday 06 November 2008 13:37, Doriano Blengino wrote: > i.e., LAST is a reference to the object that raised the event, and you > can compare it to anything you like (probably widgets). Yes, that should work, but with limitations. You would have to hardcode the name of the control you wish to compare against at compile time. Gambas lacks enough introspection at present to obtain a reference to an object using its symbol name at run time. (As far as I know, the same is true of VB.) > The tag system is another way - sometimes tags are better, sometimes > control/widget reference is. Agreed. This will be easier if you have "OK" and "Cancel" buttons across the bottom of the screen and want to tell which one got pressed, but if you have an array of 64 buttons (or text boxes, like one of my clients) it might be time to start assigning tags at control creation. Rob - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] GAMBAS Suggestions
On Sunday 07 December 2008 14:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I find it curious that such a great piece of software doesn't have a > better updated website and a bug/tracking system. Gambas is a project with a benevolent dictator, namely Benoit, who does most of the work and prefers mailing lists for bug reporting. You can sign up for notification of the subversion commits to see which bugs get fixed, as well. I just looked at the project website (gambas.sf.net) and it correctly indicates that the current stable version is 2.9.0. It provides a download link to that and instructions for checking out the development snapshots. What do you see there that could be better updated? There are forums out there, but what the community lacks is people who actually care about web forums. I try to stay on top of linuxbasic.net which gets 5 or 10 posts per week, but when you get right down to it, mailing lists come to me whereas I have to go to a web forum. Gambasforum.tk gets a few posts a week as well. Some other guy was trying a couple months ago to start a catch-all BASIC forum site, sort of a linuxbasic.net knockoff only with lots of added Windows users, but none of us had time to visit yet another forum. The Gambasrad.org forums, once you set aside the mirrored content of this mailing list, are pretty quiet so I haven't been there in some time. I just went there now and see that it calls itself the "Gambas home page", but that doesn't seem to be the case. If you came across that and were led to believe it was the project website, I can understand why you'd complain about its outdatedness since the most recent announcement was 13 months ago today. > I think we as a community need to expand this knowledge. The Gambas wiki started when I took the original Openoffice document Benoit created to document Gambas 0.30 (or thereabouts) and converted it into a format a wiki could handle so that people could add documentation and a static version could be created for inclusion in the IDE. I did this without asking for permission and without being told to. Only when it turned out to be usable (and Benoit had made many suggestions and improvements) did it become "the Gambas wiki", eventually being replaced entirely with Benoit's custom wiki code that we run today. In other words, the only way things ever get done in free software is through someone who takes the initiative. Please don't feel you need to ask before doing something for the community, though it's also important not to get too discouraged if what you think the community needs turns out to be not as useful as you thought. Starting (and keeping well-organized and on-topic) an examples repository would be a great idea if you have that kind of time. And time is really the limiting factor. When I set up the original wiki in early 2003, I had some clients who needed a lot of Gambas work in preparation for a push to Linux desktop deployment, so it was easy to dedicate some of my time to the wiki, and to maintaining Gambas packages for Mandrake, and to writing gb.pcre and working on other components my clients needed. Now the push for Linux desktops has turned into a push for thin clients and web-based applications, at least where I am, so Gambas is back to being just a personal interest of mine that takes up some of my left over free time. If your situation affords you more time, I hope you'll step up. Rob -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Problem with gambas wiki web site
On Friday 12 December 2008 11:30, Benoit Minisini wrote: > Apparently gambasdoc.org does not answer anymore, nor kudla.org, the > domain where you can write to Rob Kudla, the gambasdoc.org server owner. > If you read that Rob, please tell us what happens! We had an ice storm here in the northern part of New York. My company's servers were completely offline for at least a day. I still have no power (or heat, or net connection) at home, they don't know whether it'll be back in 2 hours or 2 days, and it's about 5 degrees C there. Now I'm staying with a friend and this is the first time I've gotten online since Thursday night. I imagine the outage lasted long enough that some mail to me must have bounced. I see some gaps in the delivery times on my Linux mailing lists. This is a very uncommon occurrence (first power failure longer than 7 hours I've ever experienced) but obviously I need to prepare better for power outages. It looks like the site's back up now, anyway. Let me know if anything acts strangely. Rob -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] URL encoding "%20"
On Tuesday 30 December 2008 08:03, werner 007 wrote:
> Ok, i got the answer by my self.
> The chars of not printable and non-ascii are represented as Hex.
> To convert it back:
That'll work, but it'll also run Replace() 160 times each time you do a
conversion. I'd do something like this:
function urlencode(strin as string) as string
dim strout as string
dim i as integer
dim a as integer
for i = 1 to len(strin)
a = asc(mid(strin, i, 1))
if a < 33 or a > 126 then
strout = strout & "%" & Hex$(a, 2)
else
strout = strout & mid(strin, i, 1)
endif
next
return strout
end
Rob
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Re: [Gambas-user] Web application - CURL and Cookies?
On Tuesday 30 December 2008 15:31, birchy wrote: > 1) Does Gambas implement the libcurl library or does it use curl via a > command prompt? Gambas (specifically gb.net.curl) uses libcurl. > 2) I have still not found a satisfactory HTML parsing library because > many of the values i want to extract are within JavaScript tags. Many > people suggest using BeautifulSoup, but i don't know if i can use this > within Gambas?? I can parse the document manually using string functions If the document you want to parse is XHTML, you could try using gb.xml. Unfortunately, that seems to be undocumented right now. If it's a legacy HTML document, libxml does have an HTML parser available, but it seems that gb.xml doesn't expose that functionality at present so you'd need to use external function declarations to use it. Rob -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Web application - CURL and Cookies?
On Tuesday 30 December 2008 16:47, birchy wrote: > I guess that manual parsing with string functions is the only accurate > way to achieve this. I'd probably try to write a class that wrapped gb.pcre to do that, but I would say that, since I wrote gb.pcre ;) Rob -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] URL encoding "%20"
On Tuesday 30 December 2008 19:44, werner 007 wrote: > First when i read your solution i was thinking "damn, i was lazy to make > a good job". > But then, we are not looking for single chars but for three at once. I misunderstood you, then. URL encoding is replacing non-printable characters with %xx. URL DEcoding is replacing %xx with the original non-printable character. What I wrote will be fine for encoding and what you wrote in this response will be fine if you rename the function to "urldecode". Rob -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas2 USB detect !!??
On Friday 02 January 2009 12:54, Biggy UAC wrote: > in my application i want to detect usb flash drive when pluged/unpluged > and display in a textbox usb drive letter. > how to detect usb drive stick plug/unplug in gambas2 ?? Linux doesn't have drive letters, but you should be able to get the device name (e.g. /dev/sde) in a couple of different ways. The correct way to do it is to set your program up as a hotplug agent for USB drives using udev (probably putting a file in /etc/udev/rules.d). But doing that may screw up your users' normal hotplug functionality (i.e. KDE or GNOME asking the user what they want to do with the drive.) Google for udev hotplug for more information on this, because I've never done it myself. Also, on older systems the devfs system was used rather than udev and you'd need to deal with /etc/hotplug/usb.usermap (I think.) Another way, less intrusive but by no means foolproof, is to have a process running in your Gambas program, "tail -f /var/log/messages" or "tail -f /var/log/syslog". Here is what appeared in /var/log/messages last night on one of my Mandriva boxes when I attached my Archos hard disk jukebox: Jan 1 20:46:59 raindog2 kernel: usb 5-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7 Jan 1 20:46:59 raindog2 kernel: usb 5-5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Jan 1 20:46:59 raindog2 kernel: scsi7 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Jan 1 20:47:04 raindog2 kernel: Vendor: ArchosModel: PC Hard Drive Rev: 0316 Jan 1 20:47:04 raindog2 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Jan 1 20:47:04 raindog2 kernel: SCSI device sdh: 312175080 512-byte hdwr sectors (159834 MB) Jan 1 20:47:04 raindog2 kernel: sdh: Write Protect is off Jan 1 20:47:04 raindog2 kernel: sdh: assuming drive cache: write through Jan 1 20:47:04 raindog2 kernel: SCSI device sdh: 312175080 512-byte hdwr sectors (159834 MB) Jan 1 20:47:04 raindog2 kernel: sdh: Write Protect is off Jan 1 20:47:04 raindog2 kernel: sdh: assuming drive cache: write through Jan 1 20:47:04 raindog2 kernel: sdh: sdh1 Jan 1 20:47:04 raindog2 kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdh If you look for the words "Attached scsi removable disk" in the output of that tail -f, the next word in that line should be the device name of the drive. I haven't hooked any USB drives up to my Ubuntu server since I upgraded so I don't know if every distro has logs that look like that, or just Mandriva. Rob -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas2 components?
On Wednesday 14 January 2009 10:00, Gareth Bult wrote: > >12) I think that Gareth could have made his control database neutral. > > But it is his code, so he is the boss. > Gareth subclasses standard Gambas components, so it *is* neutral. > I can only think he was confused because he saw a SELECT statement and > assumed this particular to MySQL (!) Actually, it's LAST_INSERT_ID() that isn't standard SQL. Rob -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas2 components?
On Wednesday 14 January 2009 10:29, Gareth Bult wrote:
> This function would be required regardless of the underlying DB .. so
> what't the PG equivalent ?
By looking at the sqlite docs, I'm guessing last_insert_rowid() is their
equivalent, but I only have MySQL installed so I can't test it.
But some DB engines don't even have auto-incrementing fields, let alone a
function to return the last inserted ID. Google tells me
CURRVAL(pg_get_serial_sequence('my_tbl_name','id_col_name'))
is the Postgres equivalent, but if it uses sequences, I think that's
different than what we know as autoincrement fields. With Firebird, you
can approximate the functionality with generators, like this:
-- before inserting any rows into table
CREATE GENERATOR generator_id;
-- then, as part of each insert statement
INSERT INTO tablename (keycolumn, ...) VALUES
(gen_id(generator_id, 1), ...);
-- after all that, here's the LAST_INSERT_ID() equivalent
SELECT gen_id(generator_id, 0);
I have no idea whether this is safe to use with multiple connections (like
MySQL's is) or anything like that. I also don't think there's any
standard ODBC mechanism to do this.
Rob
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Re: [Gambas-user] Component Web Browser
On Thursday 15 January 2009 02:24, andy wrote: > It seems to me some differences in images rendering , comparing with > same html page in Firefox. It dipends from different backend (Gecko and > Kde)? > > Do u think to improve this component? Thankyou The gb.qt.kde.html component uses KHTML to render pages. Other than being the rendering engine for Konqueror, KHTML is essentially Webkit, used in the iPhone, Safari and Google Chrome. You would need to talk to the KHTML/Webkit developers to request changes in page rendering. It should be possible to write a different html component using Gecko, but I personally don't have time to do that. Rob -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] An other OO problem.
On Tuesday 20 January 2009 10:13, Jussi Lahtinen wrote: > Maybe something like "Returns a copy of the array of object references." > ? I'm really NOT expert of this topic! I understand that result as > shallow copy, as the way that wikipedia describe it ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_copy ). Actually, given the definitions there, what Gambas is doing is a deep copy. In a shallow copy, there's only one object (array, in this case) when the copy is complete, and two references to it (and the originally declared second array's allocated memory is lost to either garbage collection or a memory leak), but in a deep copy, there are two independent copies of the array when you're done. In Gambas the latter is true. Rob -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
[Gambas-user] Broken dependencies in Ubuntu 8.04 packages
In both the official 2.0.0 and gnulinex.org 2.8.2 packages for Ubuntu
Hardy, the gambas2-gb-db package requires gambas2-gb-form and
gambas2-gb-qt-ext, which requires X to be installed among many other
things. So it's not possible to install Gambas with database support on a
headless Ubuntu web server (like the replacement for the old one currently
running gambasdoc.org.)
Also, though I don't know if this is normal, gambas2-gb-gui requires both
gambas2-gb-qt and gambas2-gb-gtk, which seems like it defeats the whole
purpose of the gb.gui component (I would think gb.gtk and gb.qt would be
alternatives rather than both required.) Finally, gambas2-runtime itself
requires xdg-utils, which should only be necessary for gambas2-gb-desktop
if I'm not mistaken.
I don't have an 8.04 workstation around anymore to build on; all my Ubuntu
machines are 8.10 at present except for that one server (which has to be
8.04 due to LTS.) I attached what I think is a fixed debian/control file.
Could someone with access rebuild the Hardy 2.8.2 packages with it? I'll
try to get Hardy installed on a workstation so I can rebuild them if no
one else has time.
Thanks
Rob
Source: gambas2
Section: devel
Priority: optional
Homepage: http://gambas.sourceforge.net
Maintainer: Daniel Campos
Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 4.2.0), libpq-dev, libmysqlclient15-dev,
libbz2-dev, libqt4-dev, libcurl3-dev, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev, libsqlite0-dev,
libxml2-dev, libxslt1-dev, kdelibs4-dev, libssl-dev, zlib1g-dev, unixodbc-dev,
libsqlite3-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libxt-dev, pkg-config, mesa-common-dev,
libsdl-sound1.2-dev, libsdl-image1.2-dev, libsdl-gfx1.2-dev, libsdl-ttf2.0-dev,
libpcre3-dev, libsdl1.2-dev, libjpeg62-dev, libpng12-dev, libpoppler-dev (>=
0.5), firebird2.0-dev, librsvg2-dev, bzip2, dpatch, gettext, libxtst-dev,
libffi-dev
Standards-Version: 3.8.0
Package: gambas2
Architecture: all
Section: devel
Depends: gambas2-doc (>= ${source:Version}), gambas2-gb-chart (>=
${source:Version}), gambas2-gb-compress-bzlib2 (>= ${binary:Version}),
gambas2-gb-compress-zlib (>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-crypt (>=
${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-db-firebird (>= ${binary:Version}),
gambas2-gb-db-form (>= ${source:Version}), gambas2-gb-db-mysql (>=
${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-db-postgresql (>= ${binary:Version}),
gambas2-gb-db-odbc (>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-db-sqlite (>=
${binary:Version}) | gambas2-gb-db-sqlite2 (>= ${binary:Version}),
gambas2-gb-desktop (>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-form (>=
${source:Version}), gambas2-gb-form-dialog (>= ${source:Version}),
gambas2-gb-form-mdi (>= ${source:Version}), gambas2-gb-gtk-ext (>=
${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-gtk-svg (>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-gui
(>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-image (>= ${binary:Version}),
gambas2-gb-info (>= ${source:Version}), gambas2-gb-net-curl (>=
${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-net-smtp (>= ${binary:Version}),
gambas2-gb-opengl (>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-pcre (>=
${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-pdf (>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-qt-ext
(>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-qt-kde-html (>= ${binary:Version}),
gambas2-gb-qt-opengl, gambas2-gb-report (>= ${source:Version}), gambas2-gb-sdl
(>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-settings (>= ${source:Version}),
gambas2-gb-vb, gambas2-gb-v4l (>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-web,
gambas2-gb-xml-rpc (>= ${binary:Version}), gambas2-gb-xml-xslt (>=
${binary:Version}), gambas2-ide (>= ${source:Version})
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Gambas is a free development environment based on a Basic interpreter
with object extensions, like Visual Basic(tm) (but it is NOT a clone!).
With Gambas, you can quickly design your program GUI, access MySQL or
PostgreSQL databases, pilot KDE applications with DCOP, translate your
program into many languages, and so on...
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This package doesn't include anything: it is a metapackage to install the
IDE and all the available gambas components..
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Architecture: any
Section: devel
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Description: Gambas compilation tools
Gambas is a free development environment based on a Basic interpreter
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With Gambas, you can quickly design your program GUI, access MySQL or
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This package includes the gambas compiler, archiver and informer.
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With Gambas, you can quick
Re: [Gambas-user] Broken dependencies in Ubuntu 8.04 packages
On Wednesday 28 January 2009 20:09, Benoit Minisini wrote: > As for xdg-utils, gambas2-runtime uses it to install gambas mime files. Is it really required? Because if so, then it's no longer possible to install Gambas on a command-line only machine since xdg-utils requires an X server, Konqueror, Firefox, GNOME, etc., and it's not going to be viable as a web scripting language. Rob -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Broken dependencies in Ubuntu 8.04 packages
On Thursday 29 January 2009 07:41, Ron_1st wrote: > Requires or depends, thats the question. When speaking in terms of package managers, there's no practical difference. > however for package xdg-utils > suggested: desktop-file-utils/kdelibs/konqueror/lib.../menu > recommended: file/iceweasel or -browser/mime-support/x11-... > No required or dependency package > At my box not all suggested are installed. > xdg-utlis should be safe to install without X/KDE/Gnome as I understand > an no problem for gambas-runtime to requires it. Found my problem there. I was using aptitude instead of apt-get when I tried to install xdg-utils. I thought aptitude was just a newer version of apt-get with some extra info, but apparently it does things like treating recommended packages as mandatory unless you use -R. Now I'll know better but it still seems to me like xdg-utils should be a recommended package for gambas2-runtime and not a dependency. Rob -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Broken dependencies in Ubuntu 8.04 packages
On Thursday 29 January 2009 09:38, Benoit Minisini wrote: > xdg-utils are just shell scripts. These scripts detect the current > desktop environment when they are run, and execute desktop-specific > commands according to what they detected. > So making them depends on X11 or any desktop environment is a mistake > IMHO. Well, it turns out I was misunderstanding Aptitude and those are only "recommended" packages for xdg-utils. So the only real issues are gambas2-gb-db requiring gambas2-gb-form and gambas2-gb-qt-ext, and gb.gui requiring both gambas2-gb-gtk and gambas2-gb-qt (instead of just one or the other.) Rob -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] License of Gambas Logo
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 11:35, Charles Capaday wrote: > Are you writing the long awaited book of Gambas? This would be a major > thing for the language and the potentially huge community out there. As > it stands and as wonderful as it is, it is something for geeks only... There's already been one such book, the Beginner's Guide to Gambas, though it was written circa version 1.0 as you can tell from the presence of the old logo. But, glad to hear of another. http://www.amazon.com/Beginners-Guide-Gambas-Programming/dp/0741429489 PDF here: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/gambas-beginner-guide.pdf Rob -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Re; Threads ...
On Thursday 05 February 2009 20:46, Gareth Bult wrote: > I'm trying to decide whether to try Gambas for a Web project because > I've seen people mention that one of the design features (?) was that it > could run web server type applications (?) Gambasdoc.org actually runs on a Gambas web application written by Benoit. You can find its source as app/src/doc.cgi in the Gambas tarball. > .. I'm thinking multiple > threads could be emulated by running the application a number of times > and using some sort of IPC mechanism to share session information ... is > there a more elegant solution to the problem of serving pages / IO > blocking? You're talking about writing an actual HTTP daemon in Gambas? I don't think that's really necessary, but it's been done in Perl, Python, etc. for particular applications. If you're going to start multiple copies of the program to simulate multithreading, you might as well just run it as an xinetd service using a file or database store for session information. Rob -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] License of Gambas Logo
On Saturday 07 February 2009 10:37, Charles Capaday wrote: > A final but unrelated point that has been at the back of my mind for > some time now, is there any possibility that Gambas will eventually be a > completely compiled language (like, say, Power Basic for windows)? > Perhaps the developers can answer this While I'd love to see the Gambas interpreter and components available in a statically linked form that could be embedded with a project into a self-contained executable file (as with Tcl and Python), I really question whether the performance increase produced by native code compilation would be enough to justify dealing with all the issues it would cause. The vast majority of what Gambas does is calling external libraries which are already native code. Rob -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] is it possible? make gambas project a library
On Monday 09 February 2009 14:44, Joshua Higgins wrote: > What I'm wondering is this: is it possible to create a gambas project > into a library suitable for use in other programming languages? So for > example my gambas UDP routines can be used from another program > language? You would have to build a shared object version of the Gambas interpreter and come up with an API to allow access to the classes and other symbols in Gambas projects through the library interface. It wouldn't be easy, especially if your name is not Benoit, but it would also be a first step towards the creation of Gambas-based plugins for other programs (e.g. Firefox or various audio programs), Gambas applets for environments that require .so files (like the KDE panel), or even standalone Gambas executables. Rob -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] GTK problems (License)
On Monday 09 March 2009 05:53, wig wrote: > GPL and LGPL ... no reason any more to "avoid" QT as far as I know. Well, once Gambas starts using Qt 4.5. I haven't avoided Qt since the GPL dual-licensing kicked in years ago, but I can understand why someone who wants to make proprietary software with Gambas would do so. Rob -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Help using gb.pcre
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 15:44, David Villalobos Cambronero wrote:
> Hi, I need to match some regular expresions, I think I can use Gambas to
> do it, in the documentation says somethig like this:
> (?i)\b[a-z0-9._%\...@[a-z0-9._%\-]+\.[a-z]{2,4}\b
> But how can I use it, any idea?
That regular expression is meant to extract a valid email address. (It may
not be a working email address, but it should at least be legal.)
One thing I should probably make clearer in the documentation is that due
to the way Gambas uses character constants like \n, you need to double up
on backslashes when you're specifying a regular expression as a constant.
So if the user is entering it or you're reading it from a file, it might
be a\s+(b\S+) but if you're hardcoding it into your program it needs to
be "a\\s+(b\\S+)". Here is a Gambas script to demonstrate (just tried it
in my own console and it runs in 2.9, but watch out for my email client's
word wrap.)
USE "gb.pcre"
DIM myemail AS String
DIM validemail AS String
DIM re AS RegExp
myemail = "f...@bar"
re = new RegExp(myemail, "(?i)\\b[a-z0-9\\._%\\...@[a-z0-9._%\\-]+\\.[a-z]
{2,4}\\b")
validemail = re.Text
if not validemail then
print myemail & " is not a legal email address.\n"
else
print myemail & "\n"
end if
Rob
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Re: [Gambas-user] analyzing version numbers in gambas
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 11:29, Ron wrote:
> > I guess, in these cases, you can use the Val() function.
> Do a replace to remove the . then 12 is less(older) then 135.
That only works if all the versions are part of the same major release. 21
is less than 135 too...
In Perl, I would do something like this:
($maj, $min) = split(/\./, $version);
$sortableversion = sprintf("%05d.%05d", $maj, $min);
I think you could do much the same in Gambas but it would take more lines,
two Format() calls instead of just a sprintf, and you'd be using an array
rather than two strings.
Rob
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Re: [Gambas-user] analyzing version numbers in gambas
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 13:19, M0E.lnx wrote: > I'm not dealing with my own version numbering here... I'm trying to > analize all versioning schemes if at all possible. It's not possible. 2.5 and 2.10 in the Gambas numbering scheme mean different things than 2.10 and 2.5 in some other developers' schemes, and you can't derive it without observation and manual intervention. Then you have the projects who change their numbering schemes in midstream, like pan (0.133 is newer than 0.142) and others have done. Rob -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] analyzing version numbers in gambas
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 13:54, M0E.lnx wrote: > I guess I would have thoutht there was something that could analize > something like "2.12" and "2.5" as floats and see which one is the > largest of the 2 Well, the problem with that is that 2.5 really is the larger of the two if you treat them as floats, but is the earlier version number in the numbering schemes that are currently in fashion. Rob -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] A way to compile, make exec, and create package from outside IDE?
On Saturday 04 April 2009 16:02, jbskaggs wrote: > I am working a game maker program- and I am trying to determine my next This sounds like a good idea, since Linux doesn't have too many tools like this and I don't think any are free software. > What I want to do is have my program write all the code into a class > file and then shell to Gambas load the file compile, make exec and > package. > > IS there a way to do this in my program at runtime or does this have to > be done in the Gambas IDE Console only? Some of it can be done pretty easily through shell commands. You generate your Gambas project (I think it needs to be a whole project, including a .project file, not just a class file), then change to that directory and run these commands: gbc2 gba2 gbc2 compiles the project, gba2 makes the executable. However, building packages is another story. You may want to try to copy the package building code out of the Gambas IDE and integrate it into yours... or maybe work on making it into a component to be used by all Gambas programs. Rob -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] In simple English could someone explain what the h does in instanciation?
On Sunday 05 April 2009 23:15, jbskaggs wrote:
> dim hTextbox1 as Textbox
> vesus
> dim myTextbox1 as Textbox
> What is happening with these two different statements?
The first one creates a new textbox object called hTextbox1. The second
creates a new textbox object called myTextbox1.
The use of "h" in object variable names is just a convention ("h" usually
meaning "handle", like "p" or "ptr" in C programs usually
means "pointer"), not syntactically significant.
Rob
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Re: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #826: Redirect links to gambasdoc.org/lang to gambaswiki/wiki/lang
On 10/27/2015 03:03 AM, Christof Thalhofer wrote: > Thanks. Do you know Robert Kudla? I know I'm late to the party, but I'm Rob Kudla. I owned the gambasdoc.org domain name for its entire existence, and hosted the gambas wiki on one of my company's ancient colocated servers. (I also contributed some seriously terrible code in the form of the original gb.pcre module.) Unfortunately, sometime last year our colo servers disappeared from the net, and after a bunch of fingerpointing, we never did get the servers nor their disks back. (I have at least a dump of the gambasdoc database somewhere, but it sounds like a redirect is more in order anyway.) My own personal domain was also affected, and is still offline a year later. I'd offered for 3 years in a row to transfer the domain to Benoit or someone else, but no one ever made it happen. I just noticed the domain had expired, and thought I'd check in to see if anyone had written me an email about it at this address, which I don't really check anymore because Gambas was my last project on Sourceforge and I haven't used it (er, sorry...) for 5 or 6 years now. It's still in the grace period, so if you or someone else who's been complaining about the links being broken would like to register it and have me transfer it to you, you'd be welcome to. But currently I can't afford to renew it myself, nor provide hosting. I think the grace period goes for another 4 days, so if you'd like it, you'd better move fast. If I don't respond to emails here, send to lists at my last name dot org and I'm more likely to see it (unless your domain is sourceforge.net in which case it'll be marked as read automatically). I'd like to thank Benoit, Fabien and the other main contributors for making Gambas as useful to me as it was for all those years, but I'm pretty much a web+mobile guy at this point (wrote one desktop app for my wife last year, but it was for the Raspberry Pi in python... which I gotta say kinda sucks, in my book. Not the Pi, but python.) I wish there were other IDEs in the free software world that were as full-featured and nimble as Gambas, but I've returned to my 25-year emacs habit in their absence. Rob -- ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Microsoft Access database
On 2013-08-13 09:31, Bruce wrote: > a) MSAccess did/does not run as a server process, especially to remote > machines. In order to get it to that we had to use ODBC and establish > a connection process on the "server" and similarly an ODBC client on > the remote "client" machine. In the case of a single connection to the > "server" this was reasonably trivial, but if multiple "clients" were > involved this bordered on a nightmare. This can't be stressed enough. Furthermore, if Access is actually running on the remote machine as Ivan said, that counts as a client. If you access the database via ODBC at the same time as through Access itself, whether your ODBC client is VB, Gambas or anything else, you risk corruption. Like sqlite, Access is designed for single-user data storage, even if Microsoft has added features over the years to make it seem otherwise. I did a project exactly like this about 8 years ago, and we ended up moving the data into a MySQL server, converting the tables to ODBC links using some Access macro we found in a MySQL forum, and accessing the MySQL data natively from Gambas and a web inquiry system. Even so, Access misbehaved constantly and made it a nightmare. Multi-user networked database applications need a multi-user networked database server. Period. Rob -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas doc down?
On 2013-09-02 18:38, Jussi Lahtinen wrote: > I can't connect to www.gambasdoc.org , anyone knows what's wrong? Comes right up for me, but then, it's our server. Are you still unable to connect? Rob -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas doc down?
On 2013-09-09 17:54, Jussi Lahtinen wrote: > Any DNS server suggestions? I'm happy with Google's. Started using it when our ISP switched us to a really flaky server, and when I encountered bad DNS in a number of hotel rooms I just went and hardcoded them. 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 Rob -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. Consolidate legacy IT systems to a single system of record for IT 2. Standardize and globalize service processes across IT 3. Implement zero-touch automation to replace manual, redundant tasks http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=5127&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gambasdoc.org is off
On 2013-09-27 10:02, Wellington de Souza Pinto wrote: > The gambasdoc.org site is off now. Are you using OpenDNS? Their users have been reporting problems since we moved DNS servers a month ago but no one else to date has complained. One of our two DNS servers is timing out, which most other DNS servers work around but OpenDNS is stricter. I have no control over the DNS situation -- that's the price of getting hosting as a favor -- and the people who do are working on a much bigger problem that doesn't affect gambasdoc.org, so OpenDNS users can either switch to a different public DNS (I use Google, 8.8.4.4/8.8.8.8) or add the following: 64.128.110.55 gambasdoc.org www.gambasdoc.org to your hosts file. Rob -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60133471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gambasdoc.org is off
On 2013-09-27 11:05, Rob Kudla wrote: > One of our two DNS servers is timing out, Today I updated the bad second DNS server record in the domain to use the first DNS server on a different IP address. It's not a good solution, but hopefully it'll improve the situation until the second server gets put back online. The whois record has been updated but it'll take a day or two for the change to propagate to the rest of the net. Rob -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60133471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
On 2013-10-31 04:43, Jose Monteiro wrote: > Is it possible to install Gambas over Android? If you install an Ubuntu chroot or virtual machine, sure, just apt-get it. None of the toolkits are optimized for touch but I assume Ubuntu has done something to make Gtk touch-friendly for their stuff, since tablets are one of their target platforms. So maybe it'd work with some judicious app design. But there's no native Android Gambas interpreter yet, and without X or even glibc, I'm not sure there ever will be. It would be almost as big a job as a Windows port, which has been tried numerous times without getting further than a proof of concept. You can replace Android on many devices with a full Ubuntu ARM installation, but you'll usually do so at the expense of some hardware functionality, such as accelerated graphics or Bluetooth. Rob -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
One way you could get a virtual keyboard and mouse input is to use one of the Linux installers available on Google Play (preferably a free one; I've never heard a good recommendation for any of the pay ones) and access the Gambas app using VNC. In the past, users getting Gambas apps to be useful on Windows desktops have configured VNC servers to only serve their Gambas apps, and Android VNC viewers generally have virtual mouse and keyboards. I think most of the Linux installers set up VNC by default as a way to access Linux desktop apps from the Android side. Running an Android X server app in conjunction with one of those Linux installers would be another option, probably a cleaner one, but that's one I haven't tried. I've had clients in the past who ran Linux desktop apps on a terminal server and displayed them on Windows desktops this way. Ethernet connections made doing that feel like they were running natively. Doing it on the same host, as you would be in this case, should be faster still. It's possible to set a Gambas up as a display manager, allowing you to make it full screen and feel a little more like a native app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=au.com.darkside.XServer Running Linux in a chroot (as many Android Linux installers will set up for you) will probably give you far better performance than a virtual machine as long as you have a device with multiple cores. The only advantages a virtual machine would give you in exchange for the performance hit would be the lack of a need for a separate display app (if the virtual machine you choose has a virtual keyboard -- the ones I'm seeing on Google Play currently don't, but you could always install "onboard" on your virtual Linux box or build a virtual keyboard into your Gambas app) and it shouldn't require root, which the rest of these solutions all would. As you can see, there's no easy turnkey solution, but a number of possibilities. Personally, I'd go with something like Phonegap, which just uses Javascript/jquery and HTML, if I wanted to write Android apps (at least the kind of app I would have used Gambas for on the Linux desktop) without dealing with Java. You can even put them in Google Play if you want. Rob On 2013-10-31 09:28, Jose Monteiro wrote: > Thank you Rob, for your quick reply. > > A Virtual Machine as one of the possible solutions, you said? > Interesting, but I guess free RAM would be a bottle neck. I could test > this, for sure. > > If a full Ubuntu ARM installation could preserve the touch screen > functionality AND the virtual keyboard, this software is completely > possible. > > Maybe I need to think a little harder about it. > > > > > > On Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:31 AM, Rob Kudla > wrote: > > On 2013-10-31 04:43, Jose Monteiro wrote: > >> Is it possible to install Gambas over Android? > > If you install an Ubuntu chroot or virtual machine, sure, just apt-get > it. None of the toolkits are optimized for touch but I assume Ubuntu has > done something to make Gtk touch-friendly for their stuff, since tablets > are one of their target platforms. So maybe it'd work with some > judicious app design. > > But there's no native Android Gambas interpreter yet, and without X or > even glibc, I'm not sure there ever will be. It would be almost as big a > job as a Windows port, which has been tried numerous times without > getting further than a proof of concept. > > You can replace Android on many devices with a full Ubuntu ARM > installation, but you'll usually do so at the expense of some hardware > functionality, such as accelerated graphics or Bluetooth. > > Rob > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that > developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this > white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can > help keep Android apps secure. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that > developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this > whit
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas Future: shift away from Linux?
On 2013-11-04 06:38, François Gallo wrote: > I don't care to have a lot of users from Windows or OS X who use Gambas > :-) . This is not my goal. My goal is just to be able to run Gambas > applications without imposing choices. Well, we can debate whether a given port should or shouldn't happen until we're blue in the face, but none of it matters until someone writes the code! Others have tried Windows ports before but never got very far. It's just not going to be a priority for those of us who have been running nothing but Linux for a decade or more. I was interested for a few years when I had clients with heterogenous desktop environments, but cross-platform desktop development has largely moved to the web. I'd be more interested in seeing an Android port, yet not interested enough to try it myself (so far). Rob -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] A little article on Gambas on Phoronix
On 11/26/2013 01:57 PM, ukimiku wrote: > I don't plan on programming "mission-critical" tasks anytime soon, > anyhow :) I have written mission-critical, shut-the-place-down-if-it-fails apps in Gambas. They were for the companies that paid for them to be written, not publicly released software, but they were mission-critical nonetheless. I don't use Gambas much anymore, but anyone who says it's not for professional use is simply massaging reality to fit his preconceived notions. It's not as big as VB (which many would also say is not for professional use, despite the enormous number of proprietary packages written in it) because desktop Linux isn't as big as Windows. That's all. On 11/26/2013 02:10 PM, Randall Morgan wrote: > I remember a time when PHP and Python were both considered by many to > be "toy" scripting languages Oh, there are plenty of those people still around. Usually, they use a different scripting language than the one they're maligning, or are functional programming snobs, or ivory-tower CS jobs. Most people I've met in IT are a little more technology-agnostic, though of course a lot of Windows folks aren't too fond of Linux stuff and vice versa. Rob -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] A little article on Gambas on Phoronix
On 11/27/2013 03:18 PM, Randall Morgan wrote: > When I think of mission critical, I think of things that could cost > someone's life if failure occurred. Things like, aircraft guidance systems, > embedded medical devices, automotive steering and breaking systems, rail > switching systems, etc. Those are actually a separate class, usually called "life-critical". A lot of proprietary software packages have EULAs that actually forbid their use in such applications. And while I don't know about Gambas, I've been aware of a frightening number of medical software packages with at least a VB interface, including my late partner's ICD's control software, complete with VBRUN600.dll (pretty sure the software in the ICD itself wasn't VB, but in non-implanted devices it might be -- and in any case, I'm betting it wasn't ADA). > You can argue that almost any software is mission > critical for it's mission. Nope, "mission-critical software" is a term of art that means "software critical to the operation of a business". For Amazon, a web server is mission-critical, as is whatever they use to handle fulfillment so quickly. For banks, there's the core system, teller interface and whatever other ancillary systems without which they can't open for business, written in languages that range from RPG to Javascript. For a recording studio, it's something like Protools or Ardour, especially once enough projects are in a given tool's format that switching would require days or weeks of work. And for Benoit's company, it's the software he wrote in Gambas. I once worked for a company whose most mission-critical software was a Lotus spreadsheet macro that they had overgrown, causing the data to overwrite the "code". Yes, really. They were dead in the water without it, sent everyone home, couldn't so much as access their customer list or open orders. I fixed it for them in a few days, converted it to a DBMS with a nice Turbo Pascal client, but it just goes to show that mission-critical software depends on what the business needs, not what's stable, secure or even sane. (No Z80 machines in my past except a Colecovision, but I had at least 5 6502-based ones... still really enjoy that flavor of assembly language, especially with modern macro assemblers.) Rob -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Web apps
On 11/29/2013 03:39 PM, John Rose wrote: > I have a rather naive question. I presume that Gambas would also be good > for developing client-server apps e.g. with a database resident on a > server. Can Gambas be used to develop web apps i.e. where all the logic > is on the server? Yes, the Gambas documentation wiki is a CGI program written in Gambas. I think the source is included in the Gambas tarball as an example, or used to be. You can also implement a web server in Gambas, and I seem to remember someone implementing "Gambas Server Pages", though I think intermingling code and HTML is bad practice for all but the most trivial applications. I've long thought about coming up with a way to translate gb.qt/gb.gtk programs into gb.web programs with Javascript on the client side to forward events back to the server for handling. Maintaining state would be an issue (a CGI normally runs once, sends HTML to the client and exits, while a Gambas desktop program normally runs as a single instance for the user's entire interaction, keeping database handles open, drawable objects in memory, remembering things as basic as cursor position, etc.) and what works well in a desktop paradigm will usually not make for a very good HTML5 app. Plus, it probably would have sucked, especially if you had something like a MouseMove event handler that caused the Gambas CGI to load and run every time it fired. Rob -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gambas documentation offline include in source (gb.web)
On 11/30/2013 11:59 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote: >> Yes, the Gambas documentation wiki is a CGI program written in >> Gambas. I think the source is included in the Gambas tarball as an >> example, or used to be. > Could be possible to buld the documentation locally? if are atached to > the sources? Should be... I did apt-get source gambas3 and the source for the program is here inside the tarball: gambas3-3.1.1/app/src/doc.cgi/ > this could solve the problem of online documentation ... for me will be > very usefully when i go in a journey to Tepuys, where no are a interenet > connection. This might help. It seems to be only English (I didn't realize when I started that it doesn't give you the language links if you're using a crawler, and the English version alone took half an hour to crawl from a host on the same subnet as the server) but I hope it'll get you started. Works well on my own laptop. It's 23.1 MB, expands to 83. http://www.gambasdoc.org/gambasdoc-static-20131130.tar.gz Rob -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] how to convert VB Project file to Gambas
On 12/13/2013 02:33 AM, //SCLPL/ Sudeep Damodar wrote: > dnt have any idea about Gambas.so i have vb6 project .so i have to know > about how to directly convert vb6 project to Gambas.can you have any option > like this in Gambas I started writing such a thing 10 years ago, for .vbp and .frm files, but it was for gambas2 so you might not have much luck making it work with gambas3. I haven't used Gambas myself in years, so I'm afraid you're on your own if you run into trouble, unless someone else here still uses it. It definitely will not work if you use a lot of third party VB controls. http://gambas.8142.n7.nabble.com/ANN-ImportVBProject-0-0-8-td7076.html Rob -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] how to convert VB Project file to Gambas
On 12/13/2013 08:30 AM, Jussi Lahtinen wrote: > Rob, you haven't use Gambas for years? Nope, don't even have Gambas installed anywhere except on the host that runs gambasdoc.org. I still think Gambas is a great language (I'm still reading the list every day, after all) and if I were writing desktop software anymore, that's what I'd use. For web stuff I use regexes enough that perl is nicer to deal with (I don't know if Gambas has a regex operator now instead of using my terrible component, but at the time it didn't.) Mobile's a different story, but since Gambas doesn't work on Android yet, I've gotten very used to Java and obviously there's a huge critical mass of support in place for that. Anyway, the converter I wrote only operated on project files and form layout files, not code. Converting VB code automatically isn't realistic because they're really two very different languages. It's a porting job. I just wanted to automate the grunt work. I also wrote a perl script to convert my Gambas forms to HTML forms, but it used a Javascript library that was very buggy and is no longer maintained. And before all of that I wrote scripts to convert MS Access forms to VB. I do these things out of laziness and the fact that I'd almost always rather use a keyboard than a mouse, so writing code is preferable to dragging and dropping. Rob -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] SteamOS and GAMBAS
On 12/14/2013 04:50 PM, Kevin Fishburne wrote: > SteamOS is Valve's attempt to circumvent the walled > gardens that are Microsoft Windows and Apple iOS/OSX and allow the > digital distribution of their games though ...their own walled garden. I think SteamOS is a great development, but let's not kid ourselves: Valve is using Linux to push their own DRM-based app store. It's about pushing Steam, not pushing Linux. I appreciate that they're growing the market for Linux games, because now there's more than just Icculus porting Humble Bundle games to Linux. But I think it's telling that they call SteamOS a "fork" of Debian, and I certainly have no interest in assisting people who want to create DRM-encumbered Gambas apps. I think it's more likely that someone who wants to use a high-level language is going to use C# or VB with Monogame, since it works on not just Linux but everything from the iPhone to the Ouya, and the form design advantage that Gambas provides is erased if you're using the SDL/OpenGL components for your game. That said, here at home, our next desktop PC will most likely be a Steambox hooked up to our television. As for the Gambas packaging question, since it is essentially a console OS, if Gambas development is supported at all, in all likelihood you'll just have whatever version of Gambas available that the version of Debian they're based on does, and you'll need to make your code work on that. Breaking APIs between minor releases is not going to work, so they'll probably just pick one and freeze it. Their beta page says "Most of all, it is an open Linux platform that leaves you in full control. You can take charge of your system and install new software or content as you want," and says they use apt for their own package management. I take that to mean that you'll be able to add your own software sources and install whatever you like, being cautious not to stomp on Valve's own ABIs. Whether it'll be easy for your app's non-technical audience to add your repo and install your stuff -- as easy as it is on Win8 or OSX or Android, at least -- is another question, but one that should become clear within the next few months. Rob -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Problem with web site and wiki
On 01/09/2014 04:53 AM, Benoît Minisini wrote: > Rob, if you read that: can you give me the ownership of 'gambasdoc.org' > name so that I make it point to another server? Sure. I've asked twice on the list for the last few years and not gotten any offers of a new home, but if you can find hosting I'll be happy to give it to you. Let me know when you're ready for the transfer code and I'll email it to you privately. Rob -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Problem with web site and wiki
On 01/09/2014 12:03 PM, Benoît Minisini wrote: > Maybe he will ask me how much traffic the server will generate, so if > you have the information... Last time I checked (when I last asked the Gambas list for someone to step up, maybe a year and a half ago) it was about 25GB per month. Drop in the bucket for a hosting service, but I don't know what your bandwidth there is like. I've actually been trying to rsync my personal stuff off of the server in question since last night, so it's not just you who's sick of the situation, believe me. Rob -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas Future or what kind of Gambas we want.
On 01/24/2014 02:03 PM, martin p cristia wrote: > So Gambas is not THAT easy to install or compile? Well, we're > programmers, lets show some effort... Linux hard to install? Ubuntu > sets a computer up in 20m, and if its a If they're running Ubuntu, it's just a matter of a few clicks to install Gambas through the software center. If they're trying to compile the whole thing from source and are having difficulty, they probably don't need to be compiling from source anyway. Just because you CAN do something under Linux that you can't do under Windows doesn't mean that you have to do it. Packages made with Gambas should automatically have the right dependencies and the required packages should be pulled in during installation. I just don't see this as a big issue. Ubuntu, Debian, Suse and Fedora all include Gambas as part of their package management systems. Those four and their derivatives cover easily 90% of all desktop Linux users. Yes, there will be issues with architectures not typical of desktop computers, like MIPS or ARM. Those aren't officially supported, and it's up to users with those platforms to get Gambas working on them if the packages automatically generated by Debian (etc.) don't work. If you really think Windows development tools are better in that regard, try getting VB6 running on PowerPC, which was officially supported by Windows during VB6's lifetime. It never happened. If you google "visual basic" "powerpc", the fourth hit is actually a Gambas package which runs on PPC. Today you can make VB.NET apps that run on Windows RT (ARM architecture) if for some reason you actually wanted to, but I'm also guessing that never happens with most VB.NET apps because no one really cares about Windows on ARM except Microsoft. And even that's a huge step up from the previous second-class Windows port, WinCE for ARM and MIPS, used up until about a year or two ago on $99 laptops that were punishing to use. I've heard you could write your VB apps in a certain way and cross-compile them to run under WinCE, but I've never seen an app built that way. Gambas programs, on the other hand, will work on any flavor of Linux once the Gambas interpreter is fully ported. They aren't officially supported, and on many platforms where the Linux kernel is supported, Gambas will never work because they're embedded devices without X or (in the case of Android) even glibc. But the wonder of free software is that anyone can take the source and make the port if they put enough effort into it. You can't do that with most Microsoft tools. > decent one, the only thing you need to know is your time zone. > Otherwise it is all answered in Askubuntu. Unfortunately, with laptops (which are most of the PCs sold today), that isn't always the case. For example, my new Lenovo Ideapad has function keys that don't even generate keycodes unless you press the Fn button with them; on their own they do things like adjust volume and brightness. And there's no SysRq key so no magic key combinations, no NumLock key so there's no mouse accessibility for when its touchpad goes haywire which is about a dozen times a day, and the ATI graphic driver has a memory leak resulting in the X server swapping constantly after about a day, and trying to revert to the free driver causes the updater to crash in 13.10, and not a single one of these issues has a solution on AskUbuntu, though several have been asked and left unanswered. (Don't buy a Lenovo Ideapad.) Of course, in my Windows days there were many, many issues that couldn't be solved in online forums, since you had the source to almost nothing and bug fixes were driven by PR, not technical merit or even, in those days, security. >From time to time, someone chimes in with "We need to make it as easy to develop and distribute Gambas apps as it was to develop VB apps", but the truth is, Gambas is already far more flexible and easy to distribute apps in than VB6 ever was. You just have to let go of leftover Windows notions like "setup.exe is the pinnacle of package management" or "applications are best distributed in one big file containing all the dependencies statically linked" or "it's up to the compiler's author to port to my non-standard architecture", because none of those are true. Rob -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas Future or what kind of Gambas we want.
On 01/24/2014 07:18 PM, Carl Nilsson wrote: > Rob: ...and so maybe a million new users get introduced to Python - > already loaded in the Wheezy RPi distro, not Gambas. If you want to > secure the long term future of Gambas, one of things that must be done > is to attract new users. These new users, like me, are just the ones > that don't have the necessary skills or experience to install and update > Gambas on these platforms. These architectures are a wave of the > future. First of all, as someone who abandoned Gambas app development in favor of what we now call HTML5 years ago, you're appealing to the wrong guy with that argument. Python is a capable enough language, though I personally dislike it due to its retarded indentation requirements (if meta-Q destroys my program logic, your language has a problem, not me). Bottom line, I don't have a horse in this race anymore; I'm actually waiting for Benoît to let me know when to send him the transfer codes for the gambasdoc.org domain that I've been hosting for the last 9 years since that server is likely to disappear soon. Desktop apps just haven't been a priority to me for a long time. Second, I would argue that the Raspberry Pi isn't "the future", cheap Chinese Android devices are. Gambas being ported to Android isn't going to happen anytime soon as despite having a Linux kernel, Android doesn't even have the most basic GNU libraries (or a replacement for those) that it would need to be POSIX compliant. Education might be moving toward ARM for desktops, at least in CS/CSE programs where kids are meant to be hacking, but the business world isn't, and that's where most of us are coming from. Most of us have ARM phones and x86/x64 desktops. I have a couple cheap Chinese Android sticks hooked up to TVs too. I had hopes to use them as desktop replacements but in their current state (early 2013 vintage) they're really not. I could put Debian on them but they wouldn't even have 2D video acceleration and I might not be able to get back. (I write my Android apps in Java, for the most part. What a terrible, verbose, top-heavy language, but if you use anything else you're stuck with a subset of the platform's capabilities and good luck finding support.) As a corollary, even if Gambas is available on those systems, as you say, Python is installed by default and the Raspberry Pi project pushes it pretty hard. Students sitting in front of RPis are going to get taught Python unless their teacher is someone like me who strongly dislikes Python, and I suspect Gambas isn't going to be the next thing on their list. Third, you can't install or update Gambas on a platform on which it doesn't compile and run, and if you're one of "the ones that don't have the necessary skills or experience to install and update Gambas on these platforms", I would hope you'll shell out the 50 bucks to send your pet hardware platform to someone who volunteers to make it work, or to Benoît if it's a bigger job than patching out some Intel-architecture-specific stuff. It isn't like there's a big red "Port to ARM" button that we've all refused to push out of spite. The developers need the hardware and the time to figure out what doesn't work and why. Apparently it compiles, because the packages are available. I don't think any of us had heard it was broken at runtime until someone reported it earlier in this thread. The bug has still not been officially reported on http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/list . Developers can't fix what they don't know about, especially if they don't even own the hardware it fails on. Isn't there a Raspbian support group or something that has people who know how to read gcc error messages? Rob -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gb.db: Primary Key of a INSERT
On 02/03/2014 09:34 AM, Oliver Etchebarne Bejarano wrote: > How can I obtain the last AUTO_INCREMENT field after I run the > Result.Update() on a new registry? I'm using a MySQL db. On the same connection object, "select LAST_INSERT_ID() from tablename;" But will Result.Update() insert a new record if the Result object is pointing past the end of the table? If it will, the wiki should be updated to reflect that. Rob -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] GambasGears FPS
On 02/20/2014 11:11 AM, martin p cristia wrote: > Is there a reason for GambasGears giving 60 FPS normally and 101 FPS > when running in a VirtualBox with Lubuntu? Usually a result of 60 FPS indicates that OpenGL is locked to the vertical refresh rate of your video card or monitor. The 101 FPS indicates it isn't locked to vsync inside the VM, but is using software rendering while you're probably using direct rendering outside the VM which apparently does vsync by default now. If you run the "real" glxgears from a terminal window, do you get "Running synchronized to the vertical refresh" on standard error? Rob -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121054471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
